Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: GUEST,Michael in Swansea Date: 22 Sep 00 - 04:38 AM Sea Fever M |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Sep 00 - 06:08 AM In singarounds and such it's pretty common to have the odd monologue, and I do it myself, but it rarely goes beyond that in my experience. I suspect it's another of those things that are going to creep back into our folioe culture, like storytelling.
But it's definitely true that reciting a song can make people listen to the words in a way they don't when it is sung. Sometimes I've known sigers who will recite a verse or two from a song before singing it, and it can be very effective.
It is something which people who aren't comfortable with their singing voice should consider trying out. (And that doesn't always mean people with bad singing voices - there are many people with great voices that they somehow can't use in public.) |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 06:47 AM Dave - can I be in your club then? I know the password... Bagpuss |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: GUEST,micca at work. Date: 22 Sep 00 - 06:52 AM Metchosin, It is delightful to see that someone else loves "Nancy Belle" " Oh elderly man tis little I know of the duties of men of the sea but I'll eat my hand if I understand However you can be, at once the cook and the captain bold and the mate of the nancy brig etc" But , no one has mentioned one of the GREAT poems for recitation " Strong gongs groaning as the guns boom far Don John of Austria is going to the war" G K Chesterton " Lepanto" try reading that aloud, it takes on a whole new dimension over reading it quietly to yourself, Someone has suggested a Hearme of poetry reading/recitation, an I for one am up for this. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: kendall Date: 22 Sep 00 - 07:48 AM The only thing I was ever "forced" to recite was the pledge of alliegence. However, I have always loved poetry and great quotes, so, I have miles of that stuff in my head. Two of my favorites, ..The moving finger writes, and, having writ, moves on Nor, all your piety and wit can lure it back to cancel half a line Nor all your tears wash out a word of it." (Omar the tent maker) Another favorite is John Masefields: Loch Arcre....and the crew made seven and twenty dishes for the big jack sharks and little fishes..over their bones the water swishes.. I recite this in concert, then immediately, I sing Old Fid. It's a powerful combination.
My ex wife hated to be disturbed in the morning while she was waking up, so, I would sometimes say: arise for the sun has put the stars to flight |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 07:55 AM I love Sid Kipper doing recitations of his own stuff. he is abso-bloody-lutely hilarious. If you get a chance to hear him - take it! Bagpuss |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Steve Parkes Date: 22 Sep 00 - 08:19 AM Kendall, no wonder she hated it -- you got it wrong! Awake! for morning in the bowl of night Hath flung the stone that puts the stars to flight; And lo! the wingèd hunter of the dawn hath caught The sultán's palace in a noose of light! Steve (from memory - I've probably got it wrong too, but then there were two versions) |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Micca Date: 22 Sep 00 - 08:48 AM There are 5 versions by Fitzgerald alone, Steve and version 1 reads Awake! for morning in the Bowl of Night Has flung the stone that puts the stars to flight: and Lo!the hunter of the East has caught The Sultans turret un anoose of Light. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 22 Sep 00 - 09:25 AM I am happy to say that my reciting is still in the present tense! I still try and slip an odd poem into a set if I can. among my repertoire I include Scads of Shakespeare, Lewis Carrol (Twas Brillig..Dave?), Kipling, Robert Service, TS Eliot Stan Marriot and acres of poetry from schooldays My problem is the opposite one unless I'm playing I can't remember the chords!
Into the street the piper stepped |
Subject: Lyr Add: BARBARA FRIETCHIE (J G Whittier) From: SINSULL Date: 22 Sep 00 - 09:33 AM MTed - brought back the shivers. Sea Fever - I haven't read it in ages. Thank you, Michael. More than you will ever need to know about Barbara Frietche. She is fictional by some accounts but has a grave and haunts several old Maryland homes by others. I see her in the faces of old women in war torn countries all over the world. John Greenleaf Whittier (1807-1892) BARBARA FRIETCHIE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Indexes: [ by Poet | by First Line | by Date | by Keyword | by Topic | Criticism on Poetry ] Related Materials: [ Encoding Guidelines | Questions and Answers | UT English Library] Original Text: The Complete Poetical Works of John Greenleaf Whittier, Cambridge edition, ed. H. E. S. (Boston and New York: Houghton Mifflin, 1894): 342-43. PS 3250 E94 1894 Robarts Library. First Publication Date: 1863. Representative Poetry On-line: Editor, I. Lancashire; Publisher, Web Development Group, Inf. Tech. Services, Univ. of Toronto Lib. Edition: RPO 1998. © I. Lancashire, Dept. of English (Univ. of Toronto), and Univ. of Toronto Press 1998. In-text Notes are keyed to line numbers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Up from the meadows rich with corn, 2 Clear in the cool September morn, 3 The clustered spires of Frederick stand 4 Green-walled by the hills of Maryland. 5 Round about them orchards sweep, 6 Apple and peach tree fruited deep, 7 Fair as the garden of the Lord 8 To the eyes of the famished rebel horde, 9 On that pleasant morn of the early fall 10 When Lee marched over the mountain-wall; 11 Over the mountains winding down, 12 Horse and foot, into Frederick town. 13 Forty flags with their silver stars, 14 Forty flags with their crimson bars, 15 Flapped in the morning wind: the sun 16 Of noon looked down, and saw not one. 17 Up rose old Barbara Frietchie then, 18 Bowed with her fourscore years and ten; 19 Bravest of all in Frederick town, 20 She took up the flag the men hauled down; 21 In her attic window the staff she set, 22 To show that one heart was loyal yet. 23 Up the street came the rebel tread, 24 Stonewall Jackson riding ahead. 25 Under his slouched hat left and right 26 He glanced; the old flag met his sight. 27 "Halt!" -- the dust-brown ranks stood fast. 28 "Fire!" -- out blazed the rifle-blast. 29 It shivered the window, pane and sash; 30 It rent the banner with seam and gash. 31 Quick, as it fell, from the broken staff 32 Dame Barbara snatched the silken scarf. 33 She leaned far out on the window-sill, 34 And shook it forth with a royal will. 35 "Shoot, if you must, this old gray head, 36 But spare your country's flag," she said. 37 A shade of sadness, a blush of shame, 38 Over the face of the leader came; 39 The nobler nature within him stirred 40 To life at that woman's deed and word; 41 "Who touches a hair of yon gray head 42 Dies like a dog! March on!" he said. 43 All day long through Frederick street 44 Sounded the tread of marching feet: 45 All day long that free flag tost 46 Over the heads of the rebel host. 47 Ever its torn folds rose and fell 48 On the loyal winds that loved it well; 49 And through the hill-gaps sunset light 50 Shone over it with a warm good-night. 51 Barbara Frietchie's work is o'er, 52 And the Rebel rides on his raids no more. 53 Honor to her! and let a tear 54 Fall, for her sake, on Stonewall's bier. 55 Over Barbara Frietchie's grave, 56 Flag of Freedom and Union, wave! 57 Peace and order and beauty draw 58 Round thy symbol of light and law; 59 And ever the stars above look down 60 On thy stars below in Frederick town! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES Other poems by John Greenleaf Whittier ... The poet's life and works ... Composition Date: not known. Form: couplets. 1. "This poem was written in strict conformity to the account of the incident as I had it from respectable and trustworthy sources. It has since been the subject of a good deal of conflicting testimony, and the story was probably incorrect in some of its details. It is admitted by all that Barbara Frietchie was no myth, but a worthy and highly esteemed gentlewoman, intensely loyal and a hater of the Slavery Rebellion, holding her Union flag sacred and keeping it with her Bible; that when the Confederates halted before her house, and entered her dooryard, she denounced them in vigorous language, shook her cane in their faces, and drove them out; and when General Burnside's troops followed close upon Jackson's, she waved her flag and cheered them. It is stated that May Quantrell, a brave and loyal lady in another part of the city, did wave her flag in sight of the Confederates. It is possible that there has been a blending of the two incidents." [Whittier's note, p. 342] 3. Frederick: northern Maryland town. 10. Lee: Robert Edward Lee (1807-70), American confederate general, victor in the Civil War battles of the Seven Days, Cedar Run, Bull Run, and Chancellorsville, loser in the battles of Antietam River and Gettysburg, and eventually (as commander of all the Confederate armies) the one who surrendered at Appomattox on February 9, 1865. 24. Stonewall Jackson: Thomas Jonathan Jackson (1824-63), confederate general with Lee. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: SINSULL Date: 22 Sep 00 - 09:50 AM Cletus, Some of the biggest idiots I know have PhDs. Your Fourth Grade Education has served you well. And your "recitation" gave us all a laugh.True story - I'll bet. Some others I recall: In Flanders Field The Village Smithy The Barefoot Boy A line is going through my head and I can't place it:"A host of golden daffodils" Help anyone recognize it? |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:01 AM Sinsull, isn't that in "I wandered lonely as a cloud"? Bagpuss |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: SINSULL Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:10 AM Bless you Bagpuss "that floats on high o'er vale and hill..." Now I can go back to work. Mary |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Mbo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:16 AM Is that the one about the host of yellow daffodils nodding in the breeze? Then it's Daffodils by Wordsworth. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:29 AM a close cousin to...
I wandered gaily through the dawn
For there upon the verdant sward
So now upon my bed I lie |
Subject: Lyr Add: YOU NEVER CAN TELL (Ella Wheeler Wilcox) From: katlaughing Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:33 AM We have always had poetry and recitation in my family. My dad still has reams and reams of the classics which he can rattle off with no problem. Most of my favs have already been mentioned. I was reading poetry with a friend, yesterday, from a book of my daughter's which she found at a library sale. In it was this gem by Ella Wheeler Wilcox: YOU NEVER CAN TELL
You never can tell when you send a word
You can never tell when you do an act
You never can tell what your thoughts will do |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Mbo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:41 AM Well, actually, I memorized this one. You should hear me and my sister recite it together.
A man of words and not of deeds
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Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:52 AM Wow! I remember that from when I was a kid Mbo! I also used to like learning the Hilaire Belloc "cautionary tales" as well as anything by Roald Dahl. Bagpuss |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Mbo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:59 AM Cool! I think there is another version that has "There was a man from Leeds" instead of the man of words & not of deeds. Do you know that one?
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Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:05 AM 'Fraid not Mbo. Bagpuss |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: DonMeixner Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:13 AM I have learned to love recitation. I alway mix poems and songs as complimentary pieces. "Spainish Johnny" followed by "When the works All Done This Fall" and "Sully's Pail", recited, followed by "Coal Tattoo" are work horses in my one man performances. My children are afraid to stand before anyone and speak and be the center of attention. I wish I could change that aspect of their schooling. I feel that by learning to recite and be the focus of the moment children learn what it means to have the respect of their peers. And there by, recieving respect, they learn to give the same. One of my favorites, slightly altered to allow for a lack of visual cueing; Count these as of my heart felt wishes, To hear a fish tale as told by fishes, Of worms with rather droopy looks, Pierced through by hateful, horrid hooks, Of fisherman they faced all day, Some, As big as me, and got away from. Don |
Subject: Lyr Add: I WANDERED LONELY AS A CLOUD (Wordsworth) From: SINSULL Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:54 AM Thanks, Mbo. I WANDERED LONELY AS A CLOUD I wandered lonely as a cloud That floats on high o'er vales and hills, When all at once I saw a crowd, A host, of golden daffodil; Beside the lake, beneath the trees, Fluttering and dancing in the breeze. Continuous as the stars that shine And twinkle on the milky way, They stretched in never-ending line Along the margin of a bay: Ten thousand saw I at a glance, Tossing their heads in sprightly dance. The waves beside them danced; but they Out-did the sparkling waves in glee: A poet could not but be gay, In such a jocund company: I gazed and gazed but little thought What wealth the show to me had brought: For oft, when on my couch I lie In vacant or in pensive mood, They flash upon that inward eye Which is the bliss of solitude; And then my heart with pleasure fills, And dances with the daffodils. William Wordsworth |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Metchosin Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:58 AM Mbo and Bagpuss, that is Sandie Toy and the words are in the DT. My Mom, brother and I learned it from my grandmother and sing it too, with the addition of the following verses
I came to a river
The boat came back |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Metchosin Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:08 PM Wandering Minsrel, that's a hoot! Do you have a title and author? |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: kendall Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:23 PM There are many versions of Omar...the one I quoted is less romantic, but easier to remember. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: SINSULL Date: 22 Sep 00 - 01:24 PM Another snippet: "It little profits a noble king..." It is Ulysses (Odysseus) complaining about his inactive old age but who wrote it? |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: GUEST,Mbo_at_ECU Date: 22 Sep 00 - 01:30 PM That's "Ulysses", by Tennyson, Sins. "Matched with an aged wife, doling out laws unto a savage race..." |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: SINSULL Date: 22 Sep 00 - 01:47 PM You're amazing, Mbo. My aged brain can only recall bits and pieces. Thanks, Mary |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 22 Sep 00 - 02:29 PM Bagpuss, you may now consider yourself an Honorary Borogove! Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: M.Ted Date: 22 Sep 00 - 02:47 PM It ought to be noted that many of these poems that we so earnestly took to heart are literature in the same way that "Love Story" and "Valley of the Dolls" were literature, albeit to a later age. Even those works that had merits of the high order were trammeled into doggerel by generations of well meaning and noble minded teachers and other officers of culture--and yet the most mawkish or mauldin of lines, recalled after all these intervening years, has a marvelous ability to evoke other worlds, both real and imagined, that were, til this moment, forgotten-- |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Metchosin Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:11 PM I think the Aussies are really responsible for keeping the fine tradition of recitation alive, with their Bush Poetry (and to a lesser extent here in North America with Cowboy Poetry) I love the stuff! but it has to be done orally. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Naemanson Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:16 PM Back when I was in high school (in the days when all homework was written on clay tablets) my English teacher made the comment that 9 out of 10 people would instantly be able to complete the Lewis Carroll verse. So, always ready to challenge authority, a friend and I memorized the verse and went out to see how many adults would be able to come up with the whole verse. I guess we had a particularly dim set of adults in our high school. Our count was 2 out of 10. And the English teacher did not appreciate our efforts! Remember that 87% of a statistics are made up on the spot! |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Naemanson Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:17 PM That's 87% of ALL statistics are made up on the spot! |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: mousethief Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:22 PM Naemanson: Which Lewis Carroll verse?
Alex |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Naemanson Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:42 PM Sorry, Twas brillig and the slithy toves... |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Micca Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:44 PM Speaking of mangling poetry, I had no problems with the Rubiyat, until some prat told me you can fit the words rather neatly to the tune of Hernandos Hideaway, this made if difficult to recite it for several years and it is a Fave...WARNING, dont try it unless you want it squirelling for a week or so... |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: mousethief Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:53 PM I think all my teenagers can complete the Brillig line. I know my wife and I can. My daughter worked for weeks to memorize the "Breathe deep the gathering gloom" poem from Nights in White Satin (she memorizes slowly). You can also sing the doxology ("Praise God from whom all blessing flow...") to Hernando's Hideaway. My wife says that in a lit class in college, the teacher defined a "lyric poem" as one you could sing. At that point one of the girls in class stood on her chair and started singing "Maid of Athens, Ere we part" to the tune of "Rock of Ages, Cleft for Me." Switching lyrics and melodies is a lot of fun.
Alex |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Sep 00 - 06:09 PM Thank goodness I don't know Hernando's Hideaway.
Ah, sea fever - I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and sky Another favorite - my name is Ozymandias, king of kings, look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.... Always wanted to reply that, when ever someone on the phone asks my name..... LTS |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Jim Dixon Date: 22 Sep 00 - 06:49 PM NOW THAT I'VE GOT THE ATTENTION of all the Mudcatters who love poems and recitation, it is probably a good time to ask again for the words to a poem I have been seeking for a long time. The poem was first mentioned in this thread. The title is "Uncle Albert's Heroic Farewell To The World", by Eddie Pickford. I heard it on the radio a long time ago, recited, I think, by Lou Killen. It's hilarious. It's about a darts game. I can't tell you much more than that without giving away the joke. It has a refrain that goes -
There's a stain on the floor of the bar room Apparently there were some folks who asked for, and received the words from Lou himself, but they were sent by e-mail instead of posted to the thread. Apparently those people are no longer active members of Mudcat because they haven't replied to my e-mails either. Anybody know where I can get the rest of the words? |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: rabbitrunning Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:41 PM Of course there's always the challenge recitations. The challenger gives first one line and then two and then three and so forth, and the challenged tries to repeat them back each time.
One of the most famous goes: |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Sep 00 - 06:51 AM Uncle Albert's farewell - I heard it couple of weeks ago at Whitby. That's no help, because I don't know the name of the fella who spoke it, but at least it shows it's still current. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 23 Sep 00 - 09:18 AM Michael, Sinsull, & Liz - I've ordered the sheet music for Sea Fever (hope it's the version I remember), and when I get it I'll write a midi for the DT. Also, I hope to get Dave (the ancient mariner) to sing it for us on HearMe! Can't you just hear his voice singing those words? Also, Liz - wasn't Ozymandias the one where only the legs of a stone statue were left standing in the desert? "Look on my might works and despair, only ..........left standing there." I used to get that phrase as an error message for a computer program I had to use often. Back in the old days, we had to type in our data on cards, submit several huge boxes of data, then wait several hours to find out that we misplaced a comma. I saw that particular error message a lot. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: GUEST,John Bauman Date: 23 Sep 00 - 10:54 AM Two contemporary folk musicians use recitaion to GREAT effect in concert, Ellis Paul and David Wilcox. They catch your attention and, just incidentally, allow time to re-tune the six-string. For me it was IF (you can keep your head about you are losing theirs...), Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty... as well as countless chapters and verses from scripture (esp 1Cor. 13. Psa. 1 and 23) John |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: GUEST,Jim Dixon Date: 23 Sep 00 - 12:46 PM McGrath of Harlow: Was that at the Whitby Folk Week, at Whitby, North Yorkshire? If so, I'll try e-mailing them. (I have an e-mail address that I found in another thread.) |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Bradypus Date: 23 Sep 00 - 07:05 PM Joe - thanks for posting the Overworked Elocutionist. I've known this for years, but never seen it written down. As a result, I didn't know the title, the author, or the last verse! (Actually the ending without the last verse is still quite effective ... ' I go on forever'. There was a Burns recitation prize at school, which I won twice. It wasn't difficult - recitation was a dying art, and to come first out of two or three doesn't really prove much. When I was very young (about four), I could recite a fairly long poem in Scots, called 'The Whistle'. Unfortunately I can't remember it all now, but if I can find my written copy, I'll post it - it's good fun! Bradypus |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 23 Sep 00 - 10:11 PM "Out of the night that covers me Black as the pit, from pole to pole"...... That's the "unconquerable soul" poem, for those who don't recognize it. Called Invictus. "I must down to the sea again..." "Loveliest of trees, the cherry now.." Oh, boy, these things are coming back!! Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:23 AM Metchosin Thankyou! Its called "Variation on a Theme by Wordsworth" and the author is (modest cough) me! do feel free to copy it, I wrote it years ago for a parody competition. My other favourite is about the man who had to dispose of a case of scotch, Opened a bottle, had a glass and poured the rest away down the sink.. By the ninth bottle the repetition is somewhat confused |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: Naemanson Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:12 PM Wandering Minstrel, can you point the way to the words to the poem for the disposal of scotch. It sounds like one I need for our drinking songs set. I'm working on Trouble Brewing by C. Morris and would like to add another poem about drinking to the mix. One of the other poems I do is Ships That Pass by C. Fox Smythe. |
Subject: RE: Anyone here had to recite? From: sian, west wales Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:45 AM Joe, thanks for reminding me of The Creation. Never memorized it, but always loved it! There were certainly some standard Canadian set pieces, at least up to the 60s. I can't say I ever liked "along-the-line-of-smokey(?)-hills-the-crimson-forest- stands..." but I still LOVE
"Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth And, thankfully, have re-thought Flanders Fields, almost brought to its knees by bad drilling in school ... but has withstood such malpractice. We also did a lot of the standard American stuff of the time - Robert Frost (did he write "whose woods are these?") My mother, an ex-teacher, tells me that some years ago it was decided that memory work was unproductive. What twit decided that one, then? High Flight has pulled me out of the pits of despair more often than I care to remember... sian |
Subject: Lyr Add: STOPPING BY WOODS ON A SNOWY EVENING From: Jim Dixon Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:35 PM STOPPING BY WOODS ON A SNOWY EVENING Robert Frost (1874-1963) Whose woods these are I think I know. His house is in the village though; He will not see me stopping here To watch his woods fill up with snow. My little horse must think it queer To stop without a farmhouse near Between the woods and frozen lake The darkest evening of the year. He gives his harness bells a shake To ask if there is some mistake. The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. [Copied from here, for convenience, but I could have done it from memory.] |
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