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PattyG 17 Aug 97 - 11:13 PM
Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca 17 Aug 97 - 11:44 PM
dick greenhaus 18 Aug 97 - 07:05 AM
Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca 19 Aug 97 - 06:47 PM
LaMarca 20 Aug 97 - 10:19 AM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 05 Oct 01 - 08:38 PM
Joe Offer 05 Oct 01 - 08:53 PM
masato sakurai 05 Oct 01 - 10:17 PM
masato sakurai 05 Oct 01 - 10:34 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 05 Oct 01 - 11:19 PM
Joe Offer 02 Aug 17 - 02:38 AM
GUEST,John Bowden (not a typo!) 02 Aug 17 - 06:04 AM
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Subject: Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen/Had?
From: PattyG
Date: 17 Aug 97 - 11:13 PM

Came across an old book of music entitled, The Andrews Sisters' Army, Navy and Marines (song folio).....chock full of wonderful tunes (many of which have been discussed here.) Has the song, "Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen" by E. Frances (copywright 1942)"and nobody knows but me" and that is how I've always remembered it. I also have a commumity song book entitled, America Sings, (copyright 1935) and it too has wonderful songs. Interesting, however, that the one song is called, "Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Had" and "nobody knows but Jesus".....it is not attributed to anyone and is listed as an American Negro Spiritual. I'm just sure this little song book is from the 60's and so revised, but now I'm good and confused as to which one is the "original" song!


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Subject: RE: Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen/Had?
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 17 Aug 97 - 11:44 PM

I have a version entitled "Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen" by Louis Armstrong with Russ Garcia and His Orchestra on a Verve CD called "Jazz Around Midnight". He makes the reference to "nobody knows but Jesus." The liner says that the song is Public Domain.


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Subject: RE: Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen/Had?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Aug 97 - 07:05 AM

The version with Nobody Knows But Jesus came first: I think it was sung by the Fiske Jubilee Singers ca 1870.


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Subject: RE: Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen/Had?
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 19 Aug 97 - 06:47 PM

So the guy from 1942 changes a couple of words to a spiritual dating from the 1870's and then claims to have written it? And copyrights it? There's cheek.

Armstrong's version, BTW, was recorded in 1957. I hope Louis didn't pay this Frances fellow any royalties.


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Subject: RE: Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen/Had?
From: LaMarca
Date: 20 Aug 97 - 10:19 AM

Spider John Koerner, back to recording blues again after a long absence, called one of his recent albums "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Been..."


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Subject: Nobody Knows the Trouble I See, Lord!
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 08:38 PM

This Jubilee song differs from "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen." It is simpler and verses 2-4 call for prayer. Has material been added later to the "I've Seen" spiritual?

NOBODY KNOWS THE TROUBLE I SEE, LORD!

CHORUS
Nobody knows the trouble I see, Lord,
Nobody knows the trouble I see,
Nobody knows the trouble I see, Lord,
Nobody knows like Jesus.

1. Brothers, will you pray for me,
Brothers will you pray for me,
Brothers will you pray for me,
And help me to drive old Satan away.


2. Sisters, will you pray for me, etc.

3. Mothers, will you pray for me, etc.

4. Preachers, will you pray for me, etc.

Negro Spirituals, or The Songs of the Jubilee Singers, nd, preface from "The Story of the Jubilee Singers" by T. F. Seward, W. J. Gibbs, publisher, p. 1.

@spirituals
FS


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nobody Knows the Trouble I See, Lord
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 08:53 PM

Hi, Dicho - How does the tune compare to "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen"? Same thing?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nobody Knows the Trouble I See, Lord
From: masato sakurai
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 10:17 PM

Dicho, the last line, which is repeated throughout, is missing.
1. Brothers, will you pray for me,
Brothers, will you pray for me,
Brothers, will you pray for me,
And help me to drive old Satan away.

In the Marsh book, The Story of the Jubilee Singers, revised edition (1880; repreint AMS, 1971), "Nobody..." is the first song (p. 125) on their song list.

Joe Offer, the tune is not the same. It could safely be said that muscially it is a different song. Much more different than "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Had" in Slave Songs of the United States. James J. Fuld says, "The melody appears in the minor and still different from its usual form in Jubilee Songs, as sung by the Jubilee Singers, of Fisk University (Nashville, Tenn.), copyrighted March 11, 1872.... The melody appears in its presently familiar major form in Hampton and Its Students..." (The Book of World-Famous Music, 4th ed., pp. 391-392).

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nobody Knows the Trouble I See, Lord
From: masato sakurai
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 10:34 PM

The Jubilee Singers version is reproduced in Richard Newman's Go Down, Moses: Celebrating the African-American Spirituals (Clarkson Potter, 1998, p. pp. 46-47).

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nobody Knows the Trouble I See, Lord
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Oct 01 - 11:19 PM

Ouch! Last line of verse 1 missing, "And help me to drive old Satan away." (and repeated for 2-4). Can someone please add it for me? Masato is right, the tune is quite different. I thought it was variant at first glance, but it is too distinct.


    Just bad HTML. One little character was missing. I fixed it. -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen/Had?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 02:38 AM

There was a men's group, maybe quartet size, that made a hit out of this song in maybe the early 1960s. The group made a real "cool" sound out of the song. Anybody know who might have made this a pop hit then?
The group secularized the song: Nobody knows the trouble I've seen, nobody knows my sorrow.... The Seekers used the same lyrics, but this was a men's group.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins: Nobody Knows The Trouble I've Seen/Had?
From: GUEST,John Bowden (not a typo!)
Date: 02 Aug 17 - 06:04 AM

Are you thinking of The Brothers Four version Joe, which could I suppose have been thought "cool" (!) at the time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSDhr0bq-zQ

The Deep River Boys were also a quartet who recorded it, in 1958, but it's a more standard version (I can't find a youtube of it)
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