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Subject: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 06:11 PM

The following column was written by a San Francisco sports writer, John Crumpacker, in Oz for the games. I remember an earlier thread and possible other references to the substance, but at last I know--sort of--what it is.

'VEGEMITE OR SNAKE BITE: NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE"

SYDNEY--There are a lot of things that can kill you here in Australia.

It's an impressive list of creatures great and small. The feared saltwater crocodile ("salties" as they call them here) pulls you under the water and executes a "death roll" while you're being ripped asunder. Then he eats you.

The deadly taipan snake is so venomous that if you're unfortunate enough to be bitten, you wouldn't be able to utter "Drat the luck" before dying.

A strike from the box jellyfish is said to be the most excruciating pain imaginable, even worse than the dreaded paper cut.

A nip from the funnel web spider is death most insidious because it's so small and innocuous looking.

Sea snakes are highly venomous but generally passive toward humans. However, if you should come across a sea snake that happened to get up on the worng side of the coral bed one day, your carcass would be fish food in minutes.

To that list of things that can getcha Down Under add Vegamite, a staple in any Aussie larder. Recall the Aussie rock group Men at Work referenced Vegamite in its hit song "Land Down Under" when a man from Brussels with lots of muscles proffered a Vegemite sandwich. Never trust a Belgian is the lesson to be learned here.

Vegemite is a foul substance made from yeast extract and unknown vegetable matter. It has the consistency of melted brown crayons and congealed motor oil and the taste of something that died long ago in some foul billabong.

Given that, Aussies still spread it on their toast.

It is beyond me why anyone would eat this stuff. In the spirit of adventure, I tried a small amount on the edge of my toast and had a go.

Yucky-poo! On "Survivor," I'm sure they'd rather get tossed off the island than eat this stuff. School paste tasted better, as I recall.

But to each his own. In the buffet line of Planet Earth, people eat the darndest things. One man's nacho supreme is another's downfall. The Aussies are welcome to keep exporting Foster's Lager but please, mates, keep the Vegemite confined to y


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 06:18 PM

I'd imagine it is good stuff, seed, just like Marmite

Jon


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 06:43 PM

Crumpacker by name, crumb packer by nature.

Vegemite is essntially the same as Marmite, a by-product of the brewing industry.

You can get it in supermarkets in England, and I've tried it. Compared to Marmite and the Marmite clones youcan get in English shops, termed "Yeast Extract", Vegemite is a bit bland for my taste, but not bad.

If there was a written Constitution in England, the right to bear Marmite would probably be included.

I think Mr Crumpacker had better go carefully. Being rude about Marmite is a touchy subject. And being rude about Australia is even touchier.

The thing to remember about yeast extract is that less is more. You only put a tiny quantity on the bread. A jar lasts for ages, and it never goes off, because nothing can live in it. If you spread it on in dollops, like jam or honey, it's not surprising you don't like it.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Morticia
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 06:52 PM

Recently Marmite ran an advertising campaign which was innovative and brave given that they focussed on people who absolutely loathed the stuff e.g. a man brought home by a drop dead gorgeous gir,who you see wander into the kitchen to make him coffee,he gets thoroughly over excited by the idea of getting lucky....she comes back and leaps all over him...and he pushes her off and runs screaming for the door.......pan to shot of kitchen and half eaten marmite snadwich.The slogan was " Marmite, you either Love it or Hate it" ( Personally I can take it or leave it alone, but what do I know?)


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Giac
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 08:07 PM

I didn't read the previous thread My Mate Marmite until it was nearly off the page, but when I did I became curious about a substance that could arouse such positive and negative emotion.

So, I e-mailed the Marmite folks, who responded with information and a recipe for preparing baked chicken. Then I e-mailed a friend from England who now lives in Bangladesh. She told me where she had found it locally, and included the admonishment that less is more. "Put it on like you're taking it off," she said. And added that I probably wouldn't like it, being an American, and all.

I found it and made some toast. I put it on the toast so thinly it almost wasn't there, then took a tentative bite. I didn't hate it, so I took another bite and found the taste becoming addictive. Frankly, I love the stuff. Wouldn't be without it now. It does last a long time. Haven't tried the chicken recipe, but I do like Marmite and peanut butter together. ~;o)


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 08:36 PM

Lemmee get this right.................

If I use a little bit, its okay, but if I use a bit less, its even better. AND.....if I spread it on at less than 8 microns, I can become euphoric eating it. Is that about it?

Why not throw the stuff in the trash and have an orgasm?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Helen
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 08:45 PM

Funny that Crumpacker says keep the Vegemite but I'll have beer instead since Vegemite is a by-product of the brewing industry. (Brewer's yeast is a significant part of it). Someone I knew made his own stout once and I took one sip and told him it tasted like liquid Vegemite. Rather than take that as a criticism he said something to the effect of "Yes, it's good, isn't it?"

I like Vegemite, don't mind Marmite, but it has a slightly different taste. It is addictive because of the high vitamin B content. Great for dosing up on when I have a cold sore imminent, and in fact, when I am not likely to be seen by anyone, I actually smear a bit on the not-yet-emerged cold sore to make it go away. A herbalist stated in a book somewhere that the cold-sore does something to the cell walls to prevent the virus-attacking agents (anti-bodies??) from attcking the virus so that it is why cold sores are so difficult to beat. The herbalist said that the Vegemite helps to break down the barriers to let the anti-bodies in. It seems to work, but given the discussion in the Explaining the Unexplained II thread on scientific method I'll just say that I haven't tested it scientifically so I could be just talking through my hat. (big Vegemite-y grin - a true Oz trademark - Common morning quote in Oz = "so, we know what *you* had for breakfast!!")

Helen


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 08:50 PM

He failed to mention that the reason we export so much Foster' lager from Australia (which he obviously holds dear to his heart) is because no one over here drinks it.

It's CRAP!

Vegemite however, now that's a diferent matter altogether!

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 08:52 PM

So it can be a beer substitute, a spread, it cures fever blisters........How is it on 'roids? Or is there a danger in spreading it at both ends of the alimentary canal?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 08:54 PM

GOD 'SPAW! DON'T SPREAD IT ON THE 'ROIDS.

They'll keep coming back for more!

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Helen
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 08:55 PM

'Spaw,

How about I send you some over and you can try that out for yourself???!! Glad to spread a bit of Oz's favourite spread around the world as well as helping you to spread it around the body - but, NO PICTURES, Ple-e-e-ease!

Bugsy, you're right - bottled, fizzy, secondhand dishwater. Exporting it is the best place to send it.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,Marymac, sans cookie
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 09:16 PM

SPAW, I think you may have met your match in Bugsy!!!!! He's not only funny, he's fast!!!! Are we witnessing the beginning of a rivalry for wittiest mudcatter??? Is there really someone who can give Spaw a run for his money??? Can you meet the challenge, Spaw???

Marymac


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 09:28 PM

MM dear......If this is the first time you've noticed how quick and sharp Bugs is, then you haven't been reading the threads. And keep in mind, I'm not witty, just gross. We have quite a few folks far wittier than I could ever be......very few though will sink to the levels of depravity that I do.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 09:32 PM

Catspaw maybe we should nickname you Crevasse


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Marymac90
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 10:41 PM

Dear Spaw,

True, I haven't been keeping up with the threads enough to notice how sharp Bugsy is, or, no doubt, a whole lot of other stuff. That is because my computer is SLOWER THAN SLUDGE, which I find much grosser than anything of yours that I've ever read!!! I do intend to part with sufficient filthy lucre to get a faster one pretty soon. That's a fairly radical thing for me to do, considering I'm unemployed. It's necessary for my sanity, I think, considering winter is coming, and I'll no longer be able to go out and putter in the garden for amusement. But perhaps I delude myself-maybe my sanity is so far gone, nothing will ever bring it back? Ah, well....

Marymac


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 10:47 PM

I dunno MM........Kinda' depends on what you been growin' out there in the garden. If you been growin' the right stuff, winter can pass happily. Stock up on Twinkies.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 10:52 PM

Now you've got me blushing!

cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,John Gray/Australia
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 10:55 PM

Hey, don,t knock vegemite. Do you think it's easy inventin' things that are distasteful to foreigners? We spend a fortune making documentaries about gators, crocs, spiders, snakes & sharks etc that we distribute around the world to scare the hell out people who may wish to migrate here. And for those that can cope with all that, well, we hit them with vegemite. It's more effective than Agent Orange.

John Gray. FME


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 11:33 PM

Jeezus, Spaw--thread creep in a BS thread? Have you no shame? At least you didn't creep into music...

--seed


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 11:46 PM

Yes Seed, you're right of course. Ever since that debacle with Chelsea Clinton, all shame has left me and we are no longer required to supply music content in a BS thread so I am operating within the guidelines.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Callie
Date: 24 Sep 00 - 11:58 PM

Bugsy: you had me laughing out loud at work. My boss rushed in to see what had happened!!!!

Seed - welcome back! Long time no.

Vegemite? For EATING? Oh dang, I've been using it as SHOE POLISH.

Callie


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:02 AM

The debacle with Chelsea Clinton? Have I missed something? Is it something I will want not to have missed?

--seed


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Marymac90
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:05 AM

Sorry, Spaw, I've been growing flowers, vegetables, houseplants, and CULINARY herbs only. You will be able to see some of my stuff in coming weeks when we start getting frosty nights here. I'll be bringing some of my houseplants, herbs, and tender perennials to the Mudcat studio. Max is gonna be lost in a forest!!!

As for other herbs-ask Max and Bert! Ever since they got me tipsy on white wine, they won't let me near ANY intoxicants... They had to extend the show an hour to get me sober enough to drive home. I think it's Max's worst nightmare that I'll be too affected to drive home, and I'll be saying "I'd better stay in West Chester", and looking at him! And I hope he wouldn't expect ME to sleep in the bathtub!!! Young bones can take that sort of thing, but not these old ones!!!!

Marymac


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 04:18 AM

G'day,
Ah Vegemite! Definitely a taste that must be acquired before the age of 5. I love it but can't stand Marmite. But I'm sure that if you'd never tried either you couldn't tell the difference. It needs just enough so you can taste it & no more. It's why we're doing so well at the Olympics.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 06:25 AM

Marmite and Vegemite are both essentially homeopathic, that's where the "less is more" comes in.

Oh, and here's a link to my Marmite Song. It could be sung with Vegemite, if you can sneak in the extra syllable. I'm not sectarian about such things.

But clearly not liking such stuff is an American Thing - maybe there was a Boston Marmite Party that's been forgotten by history. Possibly the "less is more" thing might clash with some aspect of the national ethos...


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 06:28 AM

That link went wrong. Here is one that should work


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 09:19 AM

Marmite is a cleaner glossier consistency than Vegamite and tastes sharper - some delusional people add hot water and make it into a drink -disgusting. My stepson once served it to me having spread it a quarter of an inch thick like Marmalade -obviously I gave him a good slap and shoved him under the floorboards for a week -less is most definitely more. I used to share a house with an Aussie mate and his mother used to send him cakes called Lamingtons (?) anyome have the recipe?


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Penny S.
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 06:03 PM

Bookshops which stock Australian Women's Weekly recipe books, delightful magazine-like things with oodles of delicious recipes, some of which require weird and wonderful and unobtainable ingredients like copha, have one called "Cakes and Slices" which has Lamington recipes in it. Bad news is that you need a Lamington pan to bake them in, and it's difficult to find something else which will do. It's somewhere between a roasting tin and a swiss roll tin - roughly. Very specialist cooking shops may have them, or, and for the books, too, try the Australian Shop which is somewhere around Covent Garden.

If you can't find them - and Smiths stock them - I'll post the recipe, but the other cakes are worth a try as well.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Penny S.
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 06:04 PM

One of the books is entirely devoted to chocolate.

I have resisted buying a copy.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Helen
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 06:45 PM

Penny,

A lamington pan is a couple of inches deep, that's all - neither shallow like a tray or deep like a roasting pan. The sides need to be straight, at right angles, and not curved to make it easier to get the cake out of the pan. You could use a roasting pan but just make the cake a couple of inches high and cut the edges off to make them straight.

Lamingtons are just vanilla cake cut into rectangles about 2 inches by 3 inches, and then dipped in runny chocolate icing and rolled in dessicated (finely shredded) coconut. The cake needs to be a butter cake or something like that which is strong enough to withstand some personhandling (that's manhandling for any non-PC 'Cats reading this).

Is copha hard to get in the UK? It's solidified coconut oil, I think, and probably really bad for the heart. The main Oz recipe using copha is called Chocolate Crackles. You mix cocoa powder & sugar with melted copha and while it is still runny mix in lots of rice bubbles and then spoon portions into patty-cake papers to make individual servings. Put them in the frig to set. Very popular at kids parties.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Gary T
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 07:48 PM

My dictionary doesn't show "copha", but has "copra", defined as "the dried meat of the coconut from which oil is extracted". Is this the same thing, with a different (or incorrect) spelling, or is copha something different?

Foster's Lager, while popular here, is pretty bland--not much different from the typical mass-produced and tasteless American beers. I am rather fond of Foster's Bitter, but it's harder to find.

I've never had the pleasure (?) of tasting Vegemite, but it sounds like it would be worth it just to be able to express a strong opinion of its taste.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 08:16 PM

Originally Lamingtons were made from Stale sponge cake. they were soaked in the chocolate then rolled in coconut to hide the fact.

One of the old recipes for using up leftovers.

Still taste pretty good though.

CHeers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 09:33 PM

So does this stuff cost more than caviar or what? If using less and less is more and more, than you sure as hell aren't going to use very much even if you eat it three times a day. So how does anyone stay in business making something like that?

Personally, I keep trying to develop something that can be made for five cents, sold for five bucks, and is habit forming.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 09:38 PM

"Personally, I keep trying to develop something that can be made for five cents, sold for five bucks, and is habit forming. "

'Spaw, you've just described Vegemite!

Though you can buy a Whoosie's jar for around $2.00.

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: MarkS
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 10:29 PM

Very inventive folks down under - not only did they find a use for the dross that comes out of the bottom of the beer vats when brewing is done, they market it to the rest of the world so as to keep the riffraff out.
Wonder if it works on in-laws and punk rockers?
MarkS


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 10:39 PM

Ya know Bugs, I had a feeling when I wrote that...............I can see that I've got to get hold of some of this stuff at this point because "curiosity is killing the Catspaw."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: sophocleese
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:07 AM

Well one small (125g) jar of Marmite costs me $3.79 (Can) and lasts me about a month. The jars are a nice shape as well. Marmite is great, with butter on warm fresh bread, with peanut butter on toast, and simply spread on crackers. Yum, I think I'll have a slice of bread and Marmite right now.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:08 AM

Spaw, you still haven't told me what you had going with Chelsea. And if you plan to use Vegamite in whatever it is, you'd better find out...aah, maybe one of you Aussies can tell us--does Vegamite give one gas?

--seed


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:41 AM

Hell Seed, everything gives me gas, including Chelsea Clinton.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:02 AM

I won't try vegemite 'til a friend of mine in Australia tries my favourite food: kimchi. Hopefully, she'll continue to fear kimchi until one of use dies. I really don't want to eat that rotten beer crap. (eat kimchi!)

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:09 AM

Lepus,

If this is what you are talking about, BRING IT ON!

kimchi

Cheers

bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:17 AM

That's it, Bugsy. Best stuff on Earth. Everyone I know hates it (and it's smell). They say bad things about it. Bad things I wont repeat here. There's dozens of styles of kimchi. I want to go to Korea, just to try them all. Goddamn, I'm a loser...:)

By the way, kimchi could take both Vegemite AND Marmite in a fight!

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:21 AM

Lepus, you're right. Kimchee is fantastic stuff, great with almost everything. I've eaten it with hamburgers and tuna salad sandwiches, with sukiyaki, with curry, with scrambled eggs, and of course with Korean barbecue. Never with ice cream, however.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:33 AM

seed, you're right, too. Goes with almost everything. Before I lost my convenient supplier, I had it with my dinner every night. My roomate recently reminded me that she once made kimchi, and is willing to make some for me. >:)

I wonder about the ice cream, though... I mean, maybe if they flavoured it with the kimchi juice, and put little chocolate-covered cabbage chunks in there... Heh. :P

Do Australians have vegemite ice cream?

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:50 AM

Certainly not!

That would ruin the taste of the vegemite.

My favourite is Vegemite and cream cheese on toast...........sorry guys.........can't hold out any longer..........got to have some!!!!!

Cheers

Bugsy

With a nice cup of tea!


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:57 AM

Marmite, Vegemite, Catamite, I'll eat anything! Bugsy, is it possible to PM you in the personals? All the best. Seamus


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:59 AM

Sure thing - just don't get TOO personal. (lol)

Chers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 03:34 AM

Yeast extract and cups of tea Bugsy? Seems like we British did a better job of educating you Aussies than we did with those Americans! ;-)

Jon


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Wotcha
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 02:26 PM

Australia had two things before it had a National Anthem: a National Spread, and a National Adjective:

Vegemite ... use it as much as you like ... just don't use it on anybody ... like the Australian usage of the word "Bastard."
Know-it-all-bastard
cheers,
Brian


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 02:39 PM

Kim Chi RULES!

I once ate some at my desk at work and the Koren woman who worked at the next desk asked me to take it to the lunch room! Stunk up the whole area. Great stuff. Love the way it makes your tongue tingle. And that's BEFORE they add the hot peppers. Let's hear it for rotting cabbage! Huzzah!

Never had vegemite but it sounds wretched. There's a reason they throw away that stuff from the bottom of the brewing vats. This could be a handy rule of thumb: never eat anything that's a discarded by-product from making something else.

Alex
O..O
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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 04:01 PM

So that's hamburgers out, Alex. Good riddance. And since Scotch whisky uses old port barrels (I think), it'd buggger up that as well. Not so good riddance.

But in general, that's a rotten principle. Waste not, want not.

Is the difference between Vegemite and Marmite (etc) because the Vegemite is made from top growing lager yeast, and the Marmite (etc) from bottom growing yeast? Does it make any difference whether it's a by product of brewing bitter or stout? I get a vision of some hyper Marmite made as a by produxct of Guiness...


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 04:06 PM

Marmite and Vegamite.... Sound like bloody explosives to me.... try eating Marmite and drinking Guiness together... (and if you do..fer Gods sake Spaw..dont lite a match when you fart) Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: jeffp
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 04:13 PM

McGrath, lager yeast is bottom-growing; it's ale yeast that is a top-fermenter. I've seen the sludge that collects on the bottom of my fermenters and you couldn't get me to eat that at gunpoint! **BG**

jeffp, musician and home-brewer


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 04:36 PM

No problem Jeffy....Send it to Mac as a late night snack.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 04:37 PM

No problem Jeffy....Send it to Mac as a late night snack.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 04:56 PM

My mistake. I rteally knew that (though if it's Australian the tops and bottoms are the other way round anyway) - but the question still appies, is Marmite made from top growing yeast and Vegemite from bottom growing?

Do any home brewers make their own "Marmite"?


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,Greyeyes
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 05:37 PM

The shape of the Marmite jar is based on a particular type of French casserole dish called a marmite or marmetout. There is a picture on the label of the jar.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Lena
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 12:14 AM

I was struck and scared in the beginning from the amazing quantity of dangers in Oz.hen you come from tamed,safe Europe you're not used to dangerous spiders,dangerous storms,whatever.But yes,Vegemite was one of the most dramatic moments in my life.Besides,Guinness beer to me tastes like melted Vegemite.Anyway.I was wandering in Adelaide Domestic airport,waiting for a friend to arrive with another plane.I decided to have some breakfast and bought a huge danish pastry thingy.Walking towards a table,I spotted this basket full of vegemite portions,and I thought:mmmh.Must be some sort of jam.As you know,you spread a pinch of vegemite on a huge quantity of bread and butter and that's already hard to eat.But I stuck TWO FINGERS of that terrible thing on a mouthful of cake,and ate it.In a second,I was cracked from the taste in my mouth-a taste so amazingly bitter that you can't believe to it.I became pretty much purple ,and started running around looking for a bin to spit it out,or some toilets,or whatever.I kept on running and running with tears in my eyes.
It was also the occasion I found out that in Adelaide Domestic Airport there are-could you believe it?!- no bins


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Helen
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 05:19 AM

Oh Lena,

What a hoot!

Helen


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Penny S.
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 01:13 PM

Copha cannot be got. The recipe I saw it in was for White Christmas. The Aussie Shop shop assistant suggested lard, but I don't see it, somehow. Like vegemite on Danish.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 01:44 PM

Reminds me of a hot sauce. As I get older, my tolerance for spicy peppers is becoming unbelievable. I've always liked them and the sauces, but lately my tolerance seems to know no bounds. But about 5 years ago we picked up a bottle of "Endorphin Rush" from one of my favorite "blenders," the makers of "Dave's Insanity Sauce."

When we got home, I spread a tiny bit on a piece of French bread and cut it into three pieces, one for Jason (a foster son who loved hot stuff), Karen, and me. I handed them each a piece and we popped them into our mouths. There was a 2 second delay as the Habenero's went to work, and then, almost in unison, there was a uproarious coughing/choking/gagging. I think actual flame shot out of my mouth about 4 foot. We were in the garage at the time and we damn near killed each other getting through the door, up the hall, and into the kitchen, where we ate almost 2 sleeves of soda crackers and downed 3 quarts of milk. Karen's face was bright red and the tears were streaming down her cheeks. This stuff is HOT!!!!

Having an assortment of these type of sauces around the house was always an amusement to my teenage kids who thought it great fun to slip some of it onto a friend's sandwich or something. One night we had a bunch of the friends staying here so they could leave early for a basketball camp. One of the regulars, Jimmy, who knew the sauce thing well, attempted to slip some on one of the other's sandwiches which they were taking along. All well and good....except Jimmy got some on his hands, and just as he laid down to go to sleep, he scratched his nuts, as teenage boys boys are wont to do. I woke up at 3 oclock in the morning to find the shower running and waited to see what the hell was going on. Jimmy emerged about a half hour later and the tale was told. And I've told it a lot ever since!

Any of you in Oz or England want to trade some yeast glop for some fine habanero sauce?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Helen
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 07:32 PM

Penny,

No, definitely not lard. Ick!! Yuk!! It's not sweet exactly but it tastes vaguely of coconut. It is hard like lard but definitely not a good substitute.

Do you make Coconut Ice? It's used in that too.

I just did a Google search on Copha and it said that it looks similar to shortening but that isn't a good substitute either.

"There is no equivalent of copha, but a mixture of butter and coconut is better than nothing. Crisco has the right cooking properties to substitute for copha, but the wrong flavor." http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/books/usenet-recipes/choc-cake-2

I think you would be best to substitute cooking chocolate for the copha and cocoa in the Chocolate Crackles, and white chocolate for the White Christmas or Coconut Ice. Actually, the copha/cocoa mixture is a cheap form of home made chocolate. It would make the recipes a lot richer - you may have to leave out a bit of the sugar, depending on how sweet the chocolate it - but it would be very nice. I think I have tried a White Christmas made with white chocolate. Yummm!

The copha is very high in saturated fats anyway so you wouldn't be making it any worse for your arteries. (grin)

Helen


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 02:26 AM

I've heard a couple of stories reputed to be true about people (older men in both cases, i think) who thought that wasabi was sushi and stuffed a big pile into their mouths. Ever try that, Spaw?

--seed


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 08:42 AM

Alan, you are wrong! I learned to like Vegemite at the age of 35. I was a bit shocked the first time; but loved it the second time on.

Dave, why shouldn't spaw light a match whilst farting. That should get rid of the 'roids.

Once when I was in a non-'mite country, I discovered that hacho miso is a great substitute for Vegemite or Marmite. In fact, I think I am starting to like it better. BTW I spread my Vegemite pretty thick.

I am a great fan of Kim Cheee. My late wife tried her hand at teaching violin (she was an orchestral player). She got these Korean students and once one of their parents taught us to make Kim Chee. There are actually several kinds--some made with daicons and some with cabbage. The ones with daicons (those great big radish-like things. I think daicon is the Japanese name) smell like garlic flavored dirty diapers; but it tastes good.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 08:32 PM

I noticed that through all this, no one has mentioned the White Tailed Spider. A harmless looking, tiny, scrawny looking thing that can cause you to lose limbs.

CHeers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 08:39 PM

That's because no one let's it rot and then claims its yummy. Why do we indulge ourselves in rotting, fermented cabbage?

Then again, how much worse can the spider be than this Vegemite stuff? Christ, I gotta' get hold of some of this goo.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 09:22 PM

Well spaw, I dunno about Vegemite, but a href="http://www.britsabroad.co.uk/">here's a website that claims to supply Marmite to anywhere. Live on the Edge....


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 09:42 PM

And I've just checked, and they do Vegemite as well.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 10:02 PM

far out Mac....Thanks for the site. After all of this, I gotta' give the stuff a try!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 10:20 PM

'Spaw, you Must be able to get it over there. It's made by Kraft for chissakes, and they are a US company.

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 10:25 PM

WHAT???? The same good folks who give us Miracle Whip and Macaroni and Cheese kits make THIS STUFF????

GREAT ZOT!!!!!!!! I gotta' check this out.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 10:31 PM

Yes, unfortunately Vegemite is another of those Little Aussie Icons to be sold off to a Multi-National. (sob sob)

(I must stop this weeping, It's watering my beer down!)

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 10:57 PM

'Spaw,

PM me with your address & I'll send you some if you like. Only a small jar - just so that you don't still have it when you are a hundred years old and have to will it to your kids.

Also, if you guys want to make lamingtons and also want to play a good practical joke on people: Make extra chocolate icing (runny, to coat the lamingtons) and cut some yellow sponge rubber to the right shape & size, then dip the pieces into the chocolate icing and roll them in the coconut. Offer them to people at a party and you can do an on-the-spot survey on how polite they are about other people's cooking. If they are too polite they will keep smiling and keep trying to bite into it, if they are resourceful they will chuck it away when they think you aren't looking, and if they aren't polite at all they will probably start a (pseudo-)food fight. Helps to have the video camera handy too.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 11:03 PM

Well...........I've been on the Net long enough that I should have figured....................

CLICK HERE

I'll take you up on it Helen!! It doesn't seem to be imported here much.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 05:27 AM

When I moved into my present house in Sydney there was a small poster on the inside of the door of the medicine cabinate which classified various vermin. The classifications were:

safe, painful bite, necrosis around bite, severe pain and vomiting, turning blue and collaping, dangerous.

That shows how us macho Australians look at these minor details like the white-tailed spider.

If you are into really salty, fermented things, try the Chinese To Fu Yeh. They are fermented bean curds floating in a sea of salt. I'm told they are popular with poor Chinese because a little bit goes a long way. I like them myself.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 01:23 PM

Guest Murray: It would get rid of everything else within a five mile radius LOL....Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bert
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 03:57 PM

'Spaw, you should be able to get Marmite at an East Indian Grocery store. Most of them have that or Bovril.

BTW, how come no one has mentioned Bovril yet? Bovril is the REAL stuff - it's beef extract and is OK for hot drinks. The yeast extracts are just vegetarian substitutes for Bovril and they're not as good.

And anyone who goes 'Yuk' at the thought of lard has not tasted 'Lardy Cake'.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 04:04 PM

As if drawn like a buzzard to a rotting, maggot infested, piece of roadkill, the dumbass Spaw asks, "So what the fock is a Lardy Cake?" knowing full well the answer will be something from the "Coronary Disease Almanac."

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bert
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 04:15 PM

Yup, it's cholesterol heaven.

You start off with a sweet, rich bread dough, something like you'd use for cinnamon rolls.
You take that dough (dough only, no cinnamon and stuff) and roll it out fairly thinly, spread it thickly with lard (kinda like you were making puff pastry) and sprinkle it with golden raisins and roll it up into a loaf.
Spread the top with lard and a heavy sprinkling of sugar.
Bake it in a hot oven. Take it out a few times during cooking and baste the top with the melted lard in the pan.

I think I need to make some this weekend.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 05:43 PM

Bovril is more for mixing up with hot water and making a kind of drink. More or less the way you make instant gravy. That's why "The Bovril's with the gravy and the Marmite's with the jam".

You used to be able to get Bovril drinks in late night caffs and that. Very warming. Marmiote wouldn't be any good for that. But it's better than Bovril on toast, I reckon.

What's the Aussie equivalent of Bovril?


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 05:54 PM

From the sound of it, probably platypus piss.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 09:10 PM

The most dangerous spider in the US, contrary to popular belief, is not the black widow, but the brown recluse, sometimes known as the brown violin spider. It must be related to the Aussie white tail--its bite becomes the center of a growing necrosis that can force amputations to save lives.

And Murray, for salty, try salt cured pears from Japan.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 11:41 PM

G'day Seed,

The White-tailed Spider is a mediun size; about 25mm/1" in the body and fairly narrow. It is aggressive, tending to rear up and wave its fangs at you, as does the Funnel Web Spider (which, BTW, is not "small and innocuous looking" as suggested in the initial post - it is a close relative of the South American Tarantulas and is large, black and rather hairy where it isn't shiny).

Anyway, does the White-tailed Spider sound anything like the Brown Recluse? I have a few photographs on file, as I had to photograph one found at the labs of Testing and Certification Australia when ran its photo lab. They wanted to kill it first, but I wanted it alive to show its characteristic aggressive stance. I kept it in the refrigerator as I set up the studio lights and camera, then photographed it as it warmed up and strutted its stuff.

A further drift: I had an email from "Liam's Brother" a while back after I mentioned a brush with an Australian Copperhead snake. He had been surprised when I suggested it was more dangerous than any American namesake. Later his email mentioned seeing a TV program that stated that "of the world's ten deadliest snake species ... ten of them live in Australia"!

I have never counted ... but I don't wander about the bush in shorts and sandals.

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 01:40 AM

Bob, like the rattlesnakes and the cottonmouth moccasin, the copperhead is a pit viper, arrowhead-shaped head with a pit between its eyes. Neither it nor the cottonmouth have rattles, and both are fairly limited in range, mostly in the southeastern US (northerners who favored the South in our civil war were called Copperheads).

I saw a story in the newspaper recently stating that western rattlesnakes' venom has become much more deadly in recent years, an evolutionary adaptation to human and domestic animal encroachment upon their range--the size of their enemies has greatly increased since the settlers came. I find it curious indeed that Australia should have the most poisonous snakes in the world: the native animals are not so large that the snakes would need it for defense, are they? Is it that they all evolved from the highly poisonous sea snakes, which, wherever they exist, are highly poisonous.

I don't know too much about the behavior of the brown recluse except that, as their name implies, stay out of the way, and are rarely seen. They are widespread throughout the US--a woman living on the penninsula south of San Francisco lost her leg to one a few years ago, but that's the only bite I've heard about, perhaps in my life. I just did a web search for it: it's much more common back east and south than here, but they are here. They're rather remarkable looking; the violin on the back of their thorax is very distinct and even looks like it has strings. For a picture, try this link:

Click here

--seed


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 02:24 AM

G'day again Seed,

Thanks for the link. Your Brown Recluse is a lot smaller than our White Tailed Spider and a quite different shape. The technical name Lampona Cylindrata probably refers to the straight-sided shape of the thorax, quite different from the more common spherical shapes.

In regard to the snakes I can't see any sensible explanation for the estreme toxicity, unless it is the fact that the country can be bare and sparse and there would be evolutionary advantages in having a rapid acting toxin - so that prey did not get too far away before dying. Our Copperhead Snake,Austrelaps superbus (I grew up calling it Denisonia superba) is an elapid snake, related to the Cobra and, when encountered will often raise its head and flatten the neck in a characteristically Cobra style.

The one I mentioned to "Liam's Brother" did not get to exhibit any behaviour. A friend and I were clearing a camping area on his Blue Mountains property for a Bush Music Club camping weekend. We carted a load of rubbish to the tip (where I tripped, fell and broke a wrist ... but that is another story) and, when we unloaded a number of old sheets of corrugated iron we found a corrugated Copperhead! Apparently he had hidden in the loose stack of iron, which we then walked over, inadvertently killing him (all reptiles are fully protected in Australia).

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Helen
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 02:51 AM

McGrath-o-H,

Aussie Bovril is called Bovril (grin)

Murray & seed,

another salty Chinese treat is salt cured plums - yum (in small doses)

'Spaw -> PM -> snail-mail address => Vegemite -> wing-mail -> your place.

No PM -> no s-n address => no Vegemite (and I'm sure you will regret that for the rest of your life - ???)

Helen

Helen


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 12:46 PM

another salty Chinese treat is salt cured plums - yum (in small doses)

Small doses, and not by surprise...My wife teaches Chinese students. One day one of them gave her and her fellow teacher what they thought were sugared plums. They stuffed them in their mouths. They'd never come across salt-cured plums before. They nearly choked. (A bit like someone on a previous thread who thought that Marmite must be some kind of Chocolate spread...)


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Penny S.
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 02:14 PM

There was a good article in the Guardian Editor yesterday, copied from the Sydney Morning ?????, on the correct way to eat Vegemite. Not only should there be little Vegemite, mere "flecks", but also a good thickness of butter.

Penny


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 09:03 PM

Actually McGrath of Harlow and Helen, Aussie Bovril is called "Bonox".

When I first came to Australia in the early 70's there was an advertisement on the TV where a guy was sitting in a plane and the stewardess came up to him and said " Coffee, tea, or Bonox?" to which he replied "BONOX!"

My wife Annie and I were talking at the time, and we both heard....


(Stewardess)"Coffee, tea or Bollocks?"
(Male passenger) "BOLLOCKS!"

Ever since that day we often ask each other when making a brew, "Coffee, tea, or BOLLOCKS!"

CHeers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 09:19 PM

But the question still remains Bugs......Is it in fact "platypiss?"

Well, I sent Helen my addy and am now waiting in rapt anticipation of my first "dose" of Vegemite. After checking out that website and reading all of this, I will be sure to report back!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 12:55 AM

Bob: How I love to pick nits. The South American "tarantula" (bananna spider) is actually a huntsman and is relatively harmless. The funnel web's relative is the southern Italian tarantula (the tarantella) is a the one related to the funnel web.

By the way, for those interested, the funnel web has its fangs vertical whereas most spiders have them horizontal. This means the funnel webs rear up and press their fangs into the vicitm. Other spiders have to hold onto the victims whilst they "bite". This is why the family seems so agressive. Their natural defensive position is reared up with fangs ready to strike. Nonetheless, they do seem primitive and strike at the slightest provication. A colleague of mine had one in a jar with a piece of rock provided for it to climb under. If you approached the jar it would rear up. If you would so much as blow on it, it would begin striking the rock until you could see the venum dripping on its fangs.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 02:23 AM

G'day Murray,

Unfortunately the name "Tarantula" is used - widely, loosely and frequently inaccurately. I understand that the Funnelwebs (Atrax robustus and Atrax formidabilis) are closely related to American vemonous spiders known in their locality as "Tarantulas"> I don't have a good reference on spiders handy so this is off the top of my head.

The Italian Tarantula (Lycosa tarantula is obviously (from the Greek name) a wolf spider, however it is relatively harmless and the recipient of a bad rap. The actual spider that caused the agitation and 'dancing' symptoms amongst harvest workers in Taranto was not the Tarantula but a small black spider of the species Latrodectus - a 1st cousin of what we in Australia call a "Redback Spider" (Latrodectus hasseltii. Since we probably got our Redbacks from South America in a load of imported lumber, around 1886, when they first appear in Australia, this makes Latrodectus a very well travelled species.

BTW: Murray, I have just glanced at my old copy of the Australian Encyclopædia and it says, under "MYGALOMORPHAE" (the family that includes the genus Atrax): "The mygalomorph spiders of the family Dipluridae are termed "funnel-web tarantulas in the United States of America". As I understand it, this group is found throughout the Americas and generally known as "tarantulas"

Regards,

Bob Bolton


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 03:28 AM

Sorry Bob. I must have gotten the information reversed in my mind. I did a lot of reading about Spiders when I first came to Australia and my memory must be degenerating. (Why not? The rest of me is!)

Murray


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,Greyeyes
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 07:28 AM

Lardy cake, though it admittedly sounds disgusting, is genuinely delicious. I've never managed to make it sucessfully myself but fresh from a real craft baker it is surprisingly light. Needs to be really fresh, but 10 seconds in the microwave perks it up if it's a bit stale. If anyone finds themselves in Salisbury, "Reeves the Bakers" in the market square make a very good one.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 01:09 PM

It's been nice knowing you, 'spaw - but are you quite ready for this momentous undertaking?


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 02:13 PM

Lardy cake... That is sick. Cake with pig fat on it? I mean, I eat fermented cabbage. I eat at White Castle, too. And those salted fruits sound good to me. But pig fat on cake?! The filth from beer vats, beef juice, pig cake... Why?!

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: GUEST,Greyeyes
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 06:07 PM

Got something against pigs?

In parts of Spain they serve lard sandwiches as a Tapas dish, very nourishing.

Peasants who kept a pig but not a cow would probably have used lard for cake making instead of butter. I can think of ways to eat bits of a pig less palatable than a cake made of lard.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 06:53 PM

Well, Lepus, if you're arguing as a veggie, that's fair enough. But otherwise, pretty well every part of a pig is edible. I remember, during rationing times, some Irish cousins sent us half a pig's head, and the wrapping came apart as the postman was delivering it. He had the same kind of reaction as Lepus. Good eating though.

If you kill it, you eat it. (I believe that slugs are especially keen on this basic life rule.) And if you worry about "the filth from beer vats", you'd never be able to bring yourself to drink another pint.


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 07:03 PM

Hellfire Lepus, let's get down to one of my favorite pig products.........Scrapple or Krepples as its called in some places. Fantastic stuff!!! It just ain't too appetizing to see it made...........Let's EAT!!!!! Luv' them pig lips....

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 07:27 PM

Well............Sorry gang.....Chickenhead has changed their URL stuff and now "la Casa de Scrapple" is in their past features and you can go their if you want. Then again, if you haven't explored the Chickenhead site, its mildly bizarre and kinda' fun too.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 07:42 PM

That chickenhead site doesn't seem to want to let you get away either, does it? I broke out in the end though.

Howzabout crubeens? There's a picture of one on this site, with other goodies. (It says you can get them deeep fried with chips in some Irish chippies... The tradition marches on.)


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 08:12 PM

And here's another site about the little darlin's


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Barbara
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 08:21 PM

I dunno where the rest of you residents of the the ol' US of A live, but here in rural Oregon, there's a BIG jar of Vegemite on the kitchen shelf here even as we speak. My partner is addicted to the stuff, and I don't mind it myself, even spreading it occasionally as thick as a light helping of jam on buttered toast. Matter of fact I'd eat it more often myself, but I can't get around the fact that that partner leaves bits of butter in the unrefrigerated jar...
We found it at Trader Joe's for any of you -- seed -- that have them nearby.
You just have to LOOK for it.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 12:56 AM

Spaw, I don't know how many hours worth of creative activity you have kept me from with these irresistable links of yours (lileks keeps me coming back--the 500 snacks stuff would fit in right here).

I have been trying to get some work done, but here you are with more of this...I must log off. i must log off. I MUST LOG OFF!

Maybe for the next six months so I can get some work done.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: Bugsy
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 01:16 AM

Please Go To......"Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers II"


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Subject: RE: Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 00 - 05:20 AM

Vegamite and other Ozzie dangers II


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