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Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)

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ELMA TURL
JOHN ADAIR
JOHNNY BE FAIR
MADAM LA MARQUISE
SHAME AND SCANDAL


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Subject: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 11:59 AM

Hi, I have a memory of this tune, done very Island-y, which Odetta doesn't usually do. It's missing some lines, can anyone help? I'm not sure of the title, either, of course, but it's the repeated line from the chorus. I'm trying to decide whether to type it the way it's pronounced or in regular English... I think I'll go with a compromise...

There was a family, lived on the island
Of (San Sebastian?) for a long long while
The head of the family was a Hollander man
The youngest brother his name was (Randy?)

Chorus:
Whoa-a me, shame and scandal on the fomily (bis)

(...? something about the hollander man getting a wife?)
She saw the brother, she stole his heart
And that's where the trouble and the (bubbling?) start
Chorus
The wife and the brother, they wanna go, but
Hollander man he tell them no
The wife fall down and the evil came
Burned the man in a voodoo flame
Chorus
Her eyes are empty, she cannot talk
A nurse has come to make her walk
The brothers are lonely, the nurse is young
And now you know my tale is sung.
Chorus

I'm not sure if there are any other verses. Appreciate all your help, as usual!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 12:00 PM

Also, are there any other songs about voodoo backfiring like this?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Sourdough
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 02:18 PM

I had almost totally forgotten this song. You had enough to jog the rest of the song loose after so many years:

The Hollander man kept in a tower,
A wife as pretty as big white flower.
She saw the brother
She stole a his heart.
That's how the trouble of this story start.

CHO

Sourdough


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 02:54 PM

Well, glad I could jog - don't you love that? It's a great song. Thanks! I remember now wondering why he kept her in a tower, thinking maybe if he hadn't, she might have stayed with him...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: John Hindsill
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 05:37 PM

I have several recordings of "Shame & Scandal", a calypso in which the girl cannot get wed because her father seems to have sired all the boys in the village. Buffy Sainte-Marie recorded a song, "Johnnie Be Fair", an Americanized version on the same theme on her Many-a-Mile album in the mid-1900s :>).---John


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Stewie
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 09:46 PM

I have a version on an LP that I bought early in the 1960s: Buddy Bohn 'Folk Singer'. God knows who he was/is, but it was all pleasant stuff. His title was 'The Harlem Man'. He said he learned it 'from beach boys who sang calypso at beaches on which he camped and combed around Waikiki'.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 09:50 PM

Belafonte did it once as well. "The head of the family was a Haarlan man, and dat was how all de trouble began." Just shows to go ya -- don't muck with the Jujube, guys and gals. :>)

A


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Subject: Lyr Add: MADAME LA MARQUISE (Robert W. Service)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 04:17 PM

Douglas Gifford has written an interesting article on the difficulties of tracing the origin and evolution of this song. It is called "'Shame and Scandal': Robert Service, Calypso, and Country Music," and it appeared in the Canadian Journal for Traditional Music (1989). You can find the article here. (Warning: the article has numerous typos, and show signs of having been scanned and digitized by an OCR program.)

He discusses three versions of the poem/song. I will post them here, oldest first. I have done my best to correct the typos.

MADAME LA MARQUISE
(Robert W. Service, 1940)

Said Hongray de la Glaciere unto his proud Papa:
"I want to take a wife mon Père," The Marquis laughed: "Ha! Ha!
And whose, my son?" he slyly said; but Hongray with a frown
Cried, "Fi! Papa, I mean - to wed. I want to settle down."
The Marquis de la Glaciere responded with a smile:
"You're young my boy; I much prefer that you should wait awhile."
But Hongray sighed: "I cannot wait, for I am twenty-four;
And I have met my blessed fate: I worship and adore.
Such beauty, grace and charm has she, I'm sure you will approve,
For if I live a century none other can I love."
"I have no doubt," the Marquis shrugged, "that she's a proper pet;
But has she got a decent dot, and is she of our set?"
"Her dot," said Hongray, "will suffice; her family you know.
The girl with whom I fain would splice is Mirabelle du Veau."

What made the Marquis start and stare, and clutch his perfumed beard?
Why did he stagger to a chair and murmur: "As I feared?"
Dilated were his eyes with dread, and in a voice of woe
He wailed: "My son, you cannot wed with Mirabelle du Veau."
"Why not? my Parent," Hongray cried. "Her name's without a slur.
Why should you look so horrified that I should wed with her?"
The Marquis groaned: "Unhappy lad! Forget her if you can,
And see in your respected Dad a miserable man."
"What is the matter? I repeat," said Hongray growing hot.
"She's witty, pretty, rich and sweet... Then- mille diables!- what?"
The Marquis moaned: "Alas! that I your dreams of bliss should banish;
It happened in the days gone-by, when I was Don Juanish.
Her mother was your mother's friend, and we were much together.
Ah well! You know how such things end. (I blame it on the weather.)
We had a very sultry spell. One day, mon Dieu! I kissed her.
My son, you can't wed Mirabelle. She is... she is your sister."

So broken-hearted Hongray went and roamed the world around,
Till hunting in the Occident forgetfulness he found.
Then quite recovered, he returned to the paternal nest,
Until one day, with brow that burned, the Marquis he addressed:
"Felicitate me, Father mine; my brain is in a whirl;
For I have found the mate divine, the one, the perfect girl.
She's healthy, wealthy, witching, wise, with loveliness serene.
And proud am I to win a prize, half angel and half queen."
"'Tis time to wed," the Marquis said. "You must be twenty-seven.
But who is she whose lot may be to make your life a heaven?"
"A friend of childhood," Hongray cried. "For whom regard you feel.
The maid I fain would be my bride is Raymonde de la Veal."

The Marquis de la Glaciere collapsed upon the floor,
And all the words he uttered were: "Forgive me, I implore.
My sins are heavy on my head. Profound remorse I feel.
My son, you simply cannot wed with Raymonde de la Veal."
Then Hongray spoke with voice that broke, and corrugated brow:
"Inform me, Sir, why you demur. What is the matter now?"
The Marquis wailed: "My wicked youth! Ah! how it gives me pain.
But let me tell the awful truth, my agony explain...
A cursed Casanova I; a finished flirt her mother;
And so alas! it came to pass we fell for one another:
Our lives were blent in bliss and joy. The sequel you may gather:
You cannot wed Raymonde, my boy, because I am...her father."

Again sore-stricken Hongray fled, and sought his grief to smother,
And as he writhed upon his bed, to him there came his Mother.
The Marquise de la Glaciere was snowy-haired and frigid.
Her wintry featured chiselled were, her manner stiff and rigid.
The pride of race was in her face, her bearing high and stately,
And sinking down by Hongray's side she spoke to him sedately:
"What ails you so, my precious child? What throngs of sorrow smite you?
Why are your eyes so wet and wild? Come tell me, I invite you."
"Ah! if I told you, Mother dear," said Hongray with a shiver,
"Another's honour would, I fear, be in the soup forever."
"Nay, trust," she begged, "My only boy, the fond Mama who bore you.
Perhaps I may your grief alloy. Please tell me, I implore you."

And so his story Hongray told, in accents choked and muffled.
The Marquise listened calm and cold, her visage quite unruffled.
He told of Mirabelle du Veau, his agony revealing.
For Raymonde de la Veal his woe was quite beyond concealing.
And still she sat without a word, her look so high and haughty,
You'd ne'er have thought it was her lord who had behaved so naughty.
Then Hongray finished up: "For life my hopes are doomed to slaughter;
For if I choose another wife, she's sure to be his daughter."
The Marquise rose. "Cheer up," said she. "The last word is not spoken.
A Mother cannot sit and see her boy's heart rudely broken.
So dry your tears and calm your fears; no longer need you tarry;
To-day your bride you may decide, to-morrow you may marry.
Yes, you may wed with Mirabelle, or Raymonde if you'd rather...
For I as well the truth may tell...Papa is not your father.

From "Collected Poems of Robert Service" (New York: Dodd Mead, 1961).


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Subject: Lyr Add: SHAME AND SCANDAL (from Odetta)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 04:18 PM

SHAME AND SCANDAL
(as performed by Odetta, 1956)

CHORUS: Woe-oe me, shame and scandal in the family.
Woe-oe me, shame and scandal in the family.

There was a family lived on the isle
Of San Sebastian for a long, long while
The head of the family was a Hollander man.
The younger brother, his name was Ron. CHORUS

The Hollander man kept in the tower
A wife as pretty as a big white flower.
She saw the brother, she stole his heart.
And that's where the trouble of the bubbly(?) starts. CHORUS

The wife and the brother, they wanna go,
But the Hollander man, he tell them no.
The wife fall down and the evil came.
Burned the man in a voodoo flame. CHORUS

Her eyes are empty, she cannot talk.
The nurse has come to make her walk.
The brothers are lonely, the nurse is young,
And now you know, my tale is sung. CHORUS

"Odetta Sings Ballads and Blues." Tradition Records. TLP-1010 (recorded September, 1956 in San Francisco)


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Subject: Lyr Add: SHAME AND SCANDAL (from Joe Nicholson)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 04:20 PM

SHAME AND SCANDAL
(As performed by Joe Nicholson, 1984)

In Minden town there lived a family
With much confusion as you will see
Was a mama and a papa and a boy who had grown,
Who wanted to marry and have a wife of his own.
He found a young girl who suited him nice.
He went to his papa to ask his advice
His papa said son: "I have to say no.
The girl is your sister, but your mama don't know.
Woe, woe is me, shame and scandal in the family.
Woe, woe is me, shame and scandal in the family.

The weeks went by and summer came down,
So the best cook in Minden town he found.
He went to his father to name a day:
His papa shook his head and to him, he did say:
"You can't marry this girl. I hate to say no.
Cause she, too, is your sister but your mama don't know."
Woe, woe is me, shame and scandal in the family.
Woe, woe is me, shame and scandal in the family.

He went to his mama and covered his head.
He told his mama what his papa had said.
His mama, she laughed and said: "Go, man, go.
Your daddy ain't your daddy, but your daddy don't know."
Woe, woe is me, shame and scandal in the family.
Woe, woe is me, shame and scandal in the family.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Gareth
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 05:35 PM

And there this in the DT Click 'Ere

Gareth


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Aug 02 - 06:40 PM

Believe it or not, this song came from a 1943 movie called "I Walked with a Zombie," set in the West Indies. In the movie, the song was sung intermittently by a nameless wandering Calypso singer played by Sir Lancelot (not the Camelot one), and the song is a thumbnail telling of the plot of the movie. The movie was not a classic flick, but it was nowhere near as bad as the title makes it sound. It was actually kind a gripping, and it was a classic in it's own way. Surprised the hell out of me when Odetta recorded it.

Substantially right, Jim, but the names. . . .

"The head of the family was a Hollander man." (The plantation manager's name was Paul Holland, so "Hollander man.")
"The younger brother, his name was Rand." (Wesley Rand, Paul Holland's younger half-brother)

Anybody have any idea of where the one in DT came from?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 09:25 AM

Rand makes much more sense than Ron. THanks for reviving this one! I like the "il n'est pas fils de son père" stuff, too!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 29 Aug 02 - 03:47 PM

I heard the song with the lyrics in the digitrad when I was in the Carribean done by a group called the Merrymen. I have it on vinyl. Coul;dn't begin to tell you who wrote it. Probably a true folk song but who knows. Still it's a great song. Have a good weekend, Neil


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: MystMoonstruck
Date: 09 Sep 07 - 11:31 PM

I, too, recognized the song from the movie "I Walked With a Zombie".

Wikipedia has this about Sir Lancelot, who co-starred in at least two Val Lewton films:
"Lancelot Victor Edward Pinard (24 March 1902 – 12 March 2001) was a calypso singer and actor who used the name Sir Lancelot. Sir Lancelot played a major role in popularizing calypso in north America, and Harry Belafonte has acknowledged him as an inspiration and major influence.

Pinard was born in Cumuto, Trinidad, to a fairly affluent family, and thus had a very different background to that of most authentic Trinidadian calypsonians. He sang from an early age, but it was not until he went to New York in 1939 in order to study medicine that he sang calypso, on an invitation of band leader Gerald Clark, who had been impressed by his singing of classical works.

Sir Lancelot toured the west coast with Lionel Belasco's band in 1941, thereby gaining the attention of people in the movie business. His movies include:

I Walked with a Zombie (1943), as a servant who is also a calypso singer. His song "Scandal in the Family" is what reveals the scandal to Betsy, the heroine.
To Have and Have Not (1944), as a (non-singing) assistant to Harry Morgan (Humphrey Bogart).
Happy Go Lucky (1943). Sir Lancelot sings "Ugly Woman", a popular calypso by the Roaring Lion that has been covered by many others (including Robert Mitchum).
Brute Force (1947). Sir Lancelot plays a character named Calypso.
In 1947, Sir Lancelot worked for the presidential campaign of Henry Wallace.

Sir Lancelot's last film appearance was in 1958 (with Buccaneer), but he continued to work as a musician until at least 1973, briefly coming out of retirement in the 1980s to perform at McCabe's Guitar Shop (Los Angeles) with Van Dyke Parks, Ry Cooder and other musicians.

Sir Lancelot died of natural causes in Anaheim, California."

I have mislaid my book about the films of Val Lewton, in which it goes into some detail about the song. If I recall, it was composed by Sir Lancelot, who performs snippets throughout the film.

Here's a link to more info about his filmwork:
Sir Lancelot filmography & music
It notes that he sings a parody of the Holland song in "Zombies on Broadway"!

I haven't a clue about MP3s, but this is a link to downloads, including "Scandal in the Family", as it's listed:
Sir Lancelot ~~MP3 downloads


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Subject: Lyr Add: OH WOE IS ME (from Kingston Trio)
From: GUEST,Black Hawk on works PC
Date: 10 Sep 07 - 03:16 AM

'Oh Woe is Me' recorded by the Kingston Trio
similar to Jim Dixon's version 28 Aug 02 - 04:20 PM


In Trinidad there lived a family
With much confusion as you will see
There was a mama and a papa and a son who was young,
Who wanted to marry and have a wife of his own.
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.

He found a young girl who suited him nice.
He went to his papa to ask his advice
His papa said son: "I gotta say no.
The girl is your sister, but your mama don't know.
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.

The years went by the boy looked around,
Soon the best cook on the island he found.
He went to his father to name a day:
His papa looked at him and to him he did say:
"You cannot marry that girl. I gotta say no.
The girl is your sister but your mama don't know."
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.

Well the years went by he wished he was dead
Seventeen girls and still wasn't wed
When he went to his poppa Poppa always said no
These girls are your sisters but your papa don't know
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.

So he went to his mama and bowed his head.
He told his mama what his papa had said.
His mama, said Son "Go, man, go.
Your Poppa ain't your poppa but your Poppa don't know."
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.
Ah Woe, Ah me, shame and scandal on the family.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 08:37 PM

Lots more info now available. The chorus remains the same but there are two sets of verses.

The Odetta version is from the film I Walked With a Zombie, written and sung by Sir Lancelot and the lyrics concern the plot of the film. There are clips on YouTube.

The 'pappa ain't your pappa' verses were written and performed by Lord Melody (Fitzroy Alexander)in 1962 and have been covered since by all sorts of people from Lance Percival to the Stylistics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Allen in Oz
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 09:50 PM

How lovely that you remember Odetta..she was really something

AD


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: GUEST,Claire S
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 07:47 AM

Hey guys!I see that the firt post of this conversation was from the 2000 year, wahou 14 years ago...

So I hear on the originally song that the calypsionian was saying "Shame and SORROW FOR the family" and I saw after some research on internet that the first title was: Fort Holland Calypso (and the name Holland is the name of a plantation owner guy in the movie where the music come from: I Walked With A Zombie, 1943)You'll find the lyrics there:

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/f/forthollandcalypso.shtml

You also can see that the end of the song is not exactly what you thought:

"The wife fall down and the evil came
And IT burned HER MIND in the fever flame"

(That's in 1962 that lord Melody change the lyrics (it's a very different story) to make the song who is very covered now: "Shame and scandal in the family")

Hope it is clear. bless Trinidad & Tobago!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 04:13 AM

I still have video of Odetta singing on the BBC Jools Holland's Hootenany (LETTER O) here in the UK. And a documentary of her life too. All that power was translated into an easy "dun it all and still winning" kinda style. Just as powerful. She died not long after the two were broadcast.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Susan of DT
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 07:36 AM

I heard the poppa ain't your poppa version before 1962.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 09:49 AM

Add "Mixed Up Family" to the list.

MIXED UP FAMILY
(Jimmy Driftwood)

Father, oh dear father, get off of your lazy bones
Tomorrow I will marry my lover Jimmie Jones
Daughter, oh dear daughter, you'll have to find another
You cannot marry Jimmie Jones for he is your half brother

Father, oh dear father, I hope that you won't care;
Tomorrow I will marry my lover John O'Dare.
Daughter, oh dear daughter, you'll have to find another,
You cannot marry John O'Dare for he is your half brother.

Father, oh dear father, I hope that you won't frown,
Tomorrow I will marry my lover Jimmie Brown.
Daughter, oh dear daughter, you'll have to find another,
You cannot marry Jimmie Brown for he is your half brother.

Mother, oh poor mother, my poor heart is undone,
Every boy I love, turns out to be my father's son.
Daughter, oh dear daughter, go on and make your vow,
It ain't no sin, for you're no kin to your father anyhow!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 02:40 PM

Arkie: you posted MIXED UP FAMILY in its own thread back in 1999, and it's one of the threads linked to this one at the top of this page.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 02:57 PM

I copied the lyrics from that other thread to post here, thinking that having assorted versions in one thread might be helpful to some.


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Subject: Lyr Add: SCANDAL IN THE FAMILY
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 Aug 14 - 03:09 PM

I think this is the same song that Claire S was referring to above. Title and lyrics below are as I found them on Spotify:


SCANDAL IN THE FAMILY
As recorded by Sir Lancelot and Gerald Clark's Caribbean Serenaders*

CHORUS: Ah, woe! Ah, me!
Shame and sorrow for the family!
Ah, woe! Ah, me!
Shame and sorrow for the family!

1. There was a family that lived on the isle
Of Saint Sebastian a long, long while.
The head of the family was a Holland man,
And the younger brother, his name was Rand.

2. The Holland man, he kept in a tower
A wife as pretty as a big white flower.
She saw the brother and she stole his heart,
And that's how the badness and the trouble start.

3. The wife and the brother they want to go,
But the Holland man, he tell them no.
The wife fall down and the evil came,
And it burned her mind in the fever flame.

4. Her eyes are empty and she cannot talk,
And the nurse has come to make her walk.
The brothers are lonely and the nurse is young,
And now you must know that my song is sung.


* on "Rough Guide to Calypso Gold" (2008)
and "Calypso – Best of Trinidad" (2004)
and "Calypso Legends – Sir Lancelot (1940-1952)" (2011)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 05:32 AM

Lance Percival had a version in the UK Pop Charts in 1965 , very like the Kingston trio version


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Felipa
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 06:26 PM

these lyrics are also very like the version recorded by the Kingston Trio
YouTube recording with Sacha Distel

Scandale dans la Famille (Maurice Tézé)

A Trinidad, tout là-bas aux Antilles
A Trinidad, vivait une famille
Y avait la Mama et le Papa
Et le grand fils aîné
Qui, à quarante ans
N´était toujours pas marié

Un jour il trouva, la fille qu´il voulait
Et dit à son père :
" Je voudrais l´épouser. "
Hélas mon garçon, hélas tu n´peux pas
Car cette fille est ta sœur
Et ta mère ne l´sait pas

Oh Papa, quel malheur
Quel grand malheur pour moi
Oh Papa, quel scandale
Si Maman savait ça

Deux ans passèrent et le garçon, un soir,
vint trouver son père et lui dit, plein d´espoir:
" La maîtresse d´école veut bien m´épouser "
Mais le pauvre père prit un air accablé:
Mon fils tu n´peux pas
tu n´peux pas faire ça
Car cette fille est ta sœur
Et ta mère ne l´sait pas!

Oh Papa, quel malheur
Quel grand malheur pour moi
Oh Papa, quel scandale
Si Maman savait ça

Dix ans après, il revint tout ému
Et dit à son père,
" Devine ce que j´ai vu! "
Dans la plantation,
On vient d´embaucher
Plus de cinquante filles
Du village d´à côté

Hélas mon pauvre enfant
Les Dieux sont contre toi
Toutes ces filles sont tes sœurs
Et ta mère ne l´sait pas

A bout de patience,
Il s´en fut écœuré
Raconter à sa mère toute la vérité
Sa mère se mit à rire
Et lui dit : "Ne t´en fais pas
Ton père n´est pas ton père
Et ton père ne le sait pas"

Oh Mama, quel bonheur
Quel grand bonheur pour moi
Oh Mama, quel scandale
Si Papa savait ça


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 03:31 PM

Burned her mind makes a lot of sense. Thanks for reviving this thread!

Also the French version above reminds me of a different Ah si papa il savait ca, tralala, au pas camarades au pas camarades au pas au pas au pas, what is that from?

Somehow all these not their father's son songs are not, at heart, conveying the voodoo gonna git the person dooing the voodoo idea that the Odetta version is about... do we (you) know any more of those?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Felipa
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 06:58 PM

there is a French song Madame La Marquise but it is a different theme from Robert Service's poem or any of the Shame and Scandal variants - Madam rings home, butler tells her that everything's fine but her horse has died, Everything is fine but the horse died in the fire in the stables, Everything is fine but the fire spread to the stables from the fire in the house, Everything is fine but her husband committed suicide (by setting the house on fire - if I remember correctly)

I thought this a strange song, but a French woman explained to me that it was an allegory for the country metaphorically burying its head in the sand when Nazis were taking over Europe. I had thought the song was just mocking the aristocracy and the stiff upper lip way of going.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: GUEST,Doug Gifford
Date: 20 Apr 15 - 08:33 PM

I wrote the paper that Jim Dixon mentions about Shame and Scandal. I read it at a conference in the mid eighties. Edith Fowke was there and commented after that she knew a couple more versions. I think one was a star trek song called "The captain is the father of the crew."

I've since come to the conclusion that it was basically a well-known dirty joke that was clever enough to support verse and song. And you know how jokes can spread. Here's another take on it by Jack Buchanan -- a popular actor/singer of the 20s/30s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEcs8tPkiec


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 04:25 PM

Doug Gifford: (In case you're still watching)

You might enjoy this thread:

Jokes turned into songs...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 08:49 PM

Felipa, I know a totally different Madame la Marquise song, about a joke she apparently told while the vicar was out of the room, and it goes on and on about how funny it was and how she avoided shocking the man of the cloth, and ends with "but of course we cannot repeat it" or some such line, and we never find out the joke. I wonder if the one I know is a parody of yours?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 15 - 10:44 AM

Thanks, Jim, I'll check that out.

Mrzzy -- I've never heard of that one. That makes three narratives attached to one tune and chorus.

Then there's the Sir Lancelot (Odetta, etc.) lyrics about the "Holland Man" which, I gather, tie into the film "I Walked with a Zombie" which includes Sir Lancelot performing the song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mna6IdRKRqA That's the earliest I know of the tune and chorus, but the story is completely different and not humorous.

So did someone parody Lancelot's song or did he parody an existing, but unrecorded, joke version?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Shame and Scandal (Odetta)
From: GUEST,Doug Gifford
Date: 01 May 15 - 10:09 AM

Maybe this is the version that changed the lyrics? 1962 Lord Melody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbfsFTZFIWY


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Subject: Lyr Add: WAU WAU (from Lord Melody)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 03 May 15 - 12:35 PM

WAU, WAU
As sung by Lord Melody on "Calypso 1962"

CHORUS: Wau,* wau, wau, wau is me!
A shame and scandal in the family!
Wau, wau, wau, wau is me!
A shame and scandal in the family!

1. In Puerto Rico they are worse family
With more confusion, take it from me.
There was a mama and a papa with one child alone
Who wanted to be marry and have a wife of his own,
So he went to the papa; the papa say: "No,
That girl is your sister but your mama don't know." CHORUS

2. So he continue searching the rest of his life,
Because he really needed a wife.
He meet a wonderful girl with lovely figure,
But afraid to consult his dear father,
He met a lovely darky which was twice as nice.
He fly to the papa to get his advice.
When the papa see the girl, he shout: "Oh, no.
That girl is your sister but your mama don't know." CHORUS

3. So he went to the mama; the mama shook she head
When she found out what her husband had said,
So she pause for a moment undecidedly.
This time the boy waiting patiently.
Then the mama she laugh and said: "Go, man, go!
Your daddy ain't your daddy but your daddy don't know."
I tell you— CHORUS

4. Well, the moral of my song is what you do
Finally will catch up with you,
And don't you underestimate the woman brain,
Otherwise, believe me, you'll be insane. CHORUS


[* "Wau" is pronounced "wow."]


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