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Goodbye part II

The Shambles 23 Oct 00 - 06:06 AM
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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Oct 00 - 06:06 AM

No Joerg, it was not aimed at you..... But thank you anyway.

It was certainly not intended to be an insult to anybody either. For one does need to use irony to do that.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Oct 00 - 11:39 PM

Are we still on this? Geezus.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: GUEST,Joerg
Date: 22 Oct 00 - 11:12 PM

Shambles :-)

I hope that was aimed at me because ... you know ... err ... *blush* ... I am not that young any more ... But of course I LOVE being called so.

Without joking - I really can't agree to anything that is said in the song (or poem) you quoted. And if it is meant ironic: Well if you (=anybody) want to be ironic you should give some hint or everybody will just understand what you are saying. And still - if you give a hint that you mean the opposite of what you are saying: There are many ways to understand different things, there are many 'opposites'. Finding out which one you mean would require your listeners to be telepathic - if they are, why talk at all? Just let them read your mind.

Some examples:

"You have no finer weapon than the truth." No. To my experience you know the truth when you're young but it will take you some more years to believe it. What you use as your sword is something which needs to be considered a little longer. It is still true, you only still have to understand in what special sense (§$%&@ 'irony'!).

"The truth now cuts you to the bone". No. When you're older you know it (at least more of it), and NOW you have a fine weapon. That's because some of the truth may be a little sad but the real truth (at least to me) isn't scaring at all, and so there's nothing to "cut" you any more. (Of course if it took you until then to realize that you are getting older and death isn't something that only happens to others that might "cut" you, but this was told you long before. Good morning!)

"Which one is right ..." - and then listing two of many possibilities of tackling a problem. What a crap. Whether you are right or not may depend from many things. But certainly it does not depend from the special manner you are going to handle your cause.

"Who are the fools ..." - At least the one who wants to tell me that there were ever people who wanted to change "all the rules" or people who ever did. And whether you are a fool or not if you want to change SOME rules depends from the rules you want to change and from what you suggest instead.

One of the abilities I do not own is writing poems, and therefore I also can't write songs - *sigh*. But being able to set up words that rhyme (or in any other sense 'sound' well) does not give anybody the right to tell **** with them. Talking is not an excuse for not thinking.

It's so difficult to find the correct words for what we mean to say - can't we stop telling something different instead in order to be better understood?

Irony of that kind is indeed wasted on me. But don't you ever stop calling me young.

;-)

Joerg


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: harpgirl
Date: 22 Oct 00 - 11:30 AM

If I hear something on hearme or mudcat radio that I dont like, I leave..simple. Kendall, not harpgirl


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Oct 00 - 08:52 AM

Maybe it should be "irony is wasted on the young"?


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Matt_R
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 10:21 PM

Well, I just got tired of being Meebo, Dweebo, EMBEEOHH, etc. I could go as the nickname I had as a baby "Scooch". Aha Lena, when am I gonna see this cute face? And WHO you callin' a youngster?

--Matt


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Lena
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 10:10 PM

The more I grow old,the cuter I get so....just joking. Matt,the first cookie sounded better,is it ever coming back?!
Ahg,youngsters,you can never tell what they're up to.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Matt_R
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 09:38 PM

Right Joerg. I've always found that phrase particularly insulting.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: GUEST,Joerg
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 09:33 PM

"If the truth be told
Experience is wasted on the old
And youth is wasted on the young"

SILLY!

The young have A RIGHT to be stupid. The old have A RIGHT to be ugly.

Sure, both of them are thinking to have quite good use for what the others are owning. But not being able to fully appreciate what you have and overestimating what you don't have is just human. In no way does it mean that what you have is 'wasted' on you.

Isn't it charming that aging only means growing from being more beautiful and not so smart to being smarter and still not that ugly? If we had to grow from being beautiful and smart to being ugly and stupid (as some really "young" ones seem to be thinking) we had to shoot ourselves on the spot (as some of them do).

*GRRRINNN*

Joerg


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 08:39 AM

Geez, things move fast here... Don't look for a couple days, Mbo's 'left', Matt_R's 'back'... Heh. Welcome back, Matt, or whatever. I woulda kept 'Mbo' as my nick, if I were you, though. All these 'real' names with last initials are just a blur to me...

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Oct 00 - 05:13 AM

Youth Is Wasted On The Young

If the truth be told
Experience is wasted on the old
And youth is wasted on the young

When you have your youth
You have no finer weapon than the truth
And you wield it like a sword
When youth is gone
You need all your strength just to go on
And the truth now cuts you to the bone

If the truth be told,
Experience is wasted on the old
And youth is wasted on the young

Which one is right
The one certain, keen and ready for the fight?
Or the one, unsure, who knows the price to pay
Who are the fools
The ones who want to change all the rules?
Or the ones, who have changed them once before?

If the truth be told,
Experience is wasted on the old
And youth is wasted on the young

Roger Gall 1997

Imaturity does not = youth. For It's an attitude and it stays with some of us until long into old age.....

I'll put out the 'Welcome Matt'. (sorry)


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 06:28 PM

Just looked sad up in Chambers 20th Century Dictionary (1983 edtion). It gives:

sated(orig.): steadfast, constant (Spens, Milt): staid (arch.): sedate (arch.): serious (arch): earnest (arch):grave: sober-minder: sorrowful: deplorable (often playfully): heavy, stiff: doughy: sober, dark-coloured.

Quite a lot for a 3 letter word!

Jon


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: wysiwyg
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 06:10 PM

I read about half of this thread and most of the last one. I love you all, so why is my gut churning all of a sudden? I mean it. I feel awful from reading this whole thread.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 05:57 PM

Jon, as I think from your second post, I wasn't criticising the attitude (which I took to be jokey, even without the little picture), but the language drift.

Words change and get new meanings and abandon old ones. I'm not sure how widespread this one is, in a world language. That's the kind of thing the Mudcat can help determine.

My understanding is that, where the scorn meaning has crept in, it's used alongside the older meaning, and who knows which will win out - I suspect that it'll turn out to be a passing fad. I think saying "sad" in the scornful sense will soon date people as much as saying "groovy" would.

And the reason for that is that it doesn't really meet a real need - in this it differs from gay. There isn't a group of people who are fed up with being called pitiful or whatever, and would prefer to be called sad. And on the other hand there are a lot of people who still use sad in the meaning of unhappy, and won't relinquish it easily.

Of course sad has an earlier meaning still, which was more or less equivalent to "serious". Words change.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 05:39 PM

Oops McGrath, there we go, it will teach me to preach but I doubt it will teach me how to read! Sorry, I know what you are saying and I must admit that I have a pet hate along those lines - the misuse (IMO) of the word gay.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 01:21 PM

McGrath, whether that meaning of the word sad is right or not, it is the way younger people would use it (scorn). I am sorry that I forgot the ;-) at the end of it for the benifit of others but I have talked with Alison about the Bay City Rollers and I think we even "Sang Shang Alang in Hearme once" The intention was to indicate that people could play games over remarks and this was of course backed up by Alison's reply.

I am surpised that the missing similey was something that you were apparently unable to consider and dissapointed to see you have to pick me up on that when it was clear to anyone that Alison ansewered with a *grin*.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Grab
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 01:10 PM

LittleNeo:-
The meaning of Matthew:
These individuals have come into life to learn how to be a true gift to all those they touch. This does not imply that they must martyr themselves, but rather that there is an energy of abundance that can be shared with others. For some this may be a physical or material abundance, for others it may be a specific quality such as humor that can be shared, a gift to ease the life of others. These qualities must be searched out; they lie within all of those with this name. Learning to activate these qualities and express them as a gift will be the task, keeping in mind that gifts are gifts only when given in love.


Now that's what I call data compression - from a big paragraph down to 7 characters! :-) Or is this a quote from a famous Matthew?

MattR/Mbo, I'd not heard the song b4, but I thought it sounded funny (ha-ha, not strange). Ah well. On the depressing songs front, at the weekend we went through every Leonard Cohen song we knew, twice, bcos the landlady really liked him (classic quote - "Right, you can all f*ck off now, but before you go, can you sing..." :-) If that isn't depressing enough...

Grab.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 12:23 PM

Welcome back from the Pariah's club.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 08:00 AM

Sorry then! I just wanted to go hang with the people. I never visit Mudcat concerts, so you probably won't have to worry about it again. I had been waiting over 2 years to hear that CD, and NO OFFENSE but the last thing I need to hear right now are happy folksongs. I was listening to depressing folksongs and badman songs. At least I don't have to deal with the pain that way. Sorry again.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 07:07 AM

"Alison is so sad that she still likes the Bay City Rollers" - now an example of how the word sad has had a new meaning foisted on it. A simple sentence like that is now highly ambiguous.

Does it mean that Alison is feeling a little bit unhappy because she still like a band that is not highly regarded by many people; or does it mean that Jon was indicating scorn for her taste in this respect?

I hope the newer meaning of the sad is a passing fashion. I think it threatens to rob us of a useful word.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 12:13 AM

rolling on the floor laughing

Guest, Joerg, I like the way you put things

Matt, welcome back, but I sure hope you learn some more manners before you come to another HearMe concert. Listening to a CD and telling us about it, while someone is giving a concert is terribly rude, IMO, and something I would NOT have expected of the old Mbo.

kat


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: thosp
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 12:10 AM

ddw --- i believe rofl means "rolling on the floor laughing"

peace (Y) thosp


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: ddw
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 11:43 PM

Amergin — What does Rofl mean?

david


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: GUEST,Joerg
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 09:44 PM

Matt - am I right supposing you read my last message before you posted your last one? If so, let me tell you:

Yes, you are an asshole and so am I. What's the problem? All the others are as well. It may be a little hard to realize that you aren't one of the few (if there are any) non-assholes in the world, but there is no need to destroy everything, there isn't even a need to destroy anything because of that.

That's why I created the concept of a "really-true-asshole" for my own thinking. They are few, but there are some. Beware of them, because they are destroying things. During the last years I learned much of how they work inside of themselves, because there are/were some in my life. It would take too long to explain everything I think to know, but IMHO one of the reasons for them being as they are is that they never had the guts to realize that they are as well an asshole as everybody. Please mind: they are not evil because of this, they are only unable to avoid themselves doing evil things.

So welcome to the world of humans, Matt. You are one of us, I know, and the reaction of the other ones I saw here tells me that they also know - it makes me happy to see that I'm not the only one. But you don't seem to know. Try to learn it, it's true.

And don't be too afraid of those "really-true-assholes". There are too few of them, and we can always "outfight" them by just being the normal, average assholes we are. That takes a little patience and constancy because it means having to wait until they destroy themselves. They will - relatively fast. But it will never work by destroying ourselves at once just because we can't bear owning only five percent of their stupidity. Nobody will ever be able to reduce his own stupidity to zero. If that's your aim ... (another reason for them being as they are is that they try hard to believe in their zero-stupidity ... but still ... but still ... *small grin*)

And I'm also glad to see you back again. *BIG GRIN*

Joerg


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: alison
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 09:43 PM

I'd just like to correct something that Jon said

"Alison is so sad that she liked the Bay City Rollers"

should read

Alison is so sad that she still likes the Bay City Rollers

I have very varied musical tastes..... but I don't expect everyone else to like what I like...... but the difference is that if they say that "B.C.R or Adam and the Ants suck".... its not a personal insult to me...

*grin*

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 08:02 PM

When I was forty I thought I knew what was wrong with people who were 20. Now they both look much the same to me. They'll learn. And then they'll forget...

Personally I like Oasis quite a lot. I just wish they'd listen to the earlier Beatles records a bit more than the late ones.

Colum Sands has a nice story about how he was at some airport, I think it was. And he's sitting down next to this friendly lady, and they're talking about things, and she asks him what he does, and he tells her he's a musician. And she says "I've got two boys, and they're in a band. They're doing quite well." And he says "What's the name "Oh the name's Gallagher, and the band - that's called Oasis or something."


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: campfire
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 05:38 PM

Hey, Matt -

Kim and I are both pleased to see you're still with us.

campfire (and Kim, reading over my shoulder)


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 05:33 PM

Matt, I have read through both threads and it seems clear to me that you still don't understand.

Even people like myself who voiced opinions against your post, still like you. Sophoclees' analogy of the puppy is appropriate and I for one genuinely hope that you do grow into a good dog and that you contribute to this forum for many years.

Part of this growing is accepting and respecting the opinions of others even if they do not agree with yours and stopping reaching ridiculous conclusions, e.g. The fact I don't particulary like Oasis or their past antics does not mean that I am (or anyone else is) a narrow minded person who can not see beyond folk, I would imagine the reality is that the majority of people here enjoy a wide range of music (in my case, I like ELO, went through bands like Pink Floyd, have enjoyed the Sex Pistols, etc. - Alison is so sad that she liked the Bay City Rollers!) and even if folk is a persons sole musical taste, they are perfectly entitled to that view, especially in a Folk and Blues forum.

Another point is that you need to learn to ditinguish between differences of opinion and personal insults. It is sometimes hard to spot but you have had an unhappy knack of reading things the wrong way.

Anyway, I hope the new Matt enjoys the forum and that we all get along happily. Many of us have our bad moments and I for one have made posts here that I have regretted and I tend to think that is just part of being a falible (and stupid) human being. I think the biggest thing here is that people do forgive and forget and basically want freinds here rather than enemies.

I am 40 and make too many mistakes but am prepared to admit to them and apoligise when I have gone too far. I am not saying that you owe anyone an any apololgy but another part of the growing process is looking at yourself and wondering if perhaps you could have gone about something differently, more politely, if you may have missinterpreted someone elses words, etc.

I guess I'm trying to say that we never stop growing and learning and at times, analysing ones self is the hardest thing in the world to do. On the learning, when I was 18, I thought I knew it all, everything I have learnt from then on has opened up more holes than anything, I mean for every opinion, there can be 100 different but valid ones, a new piece of knowledge gets you to look at whole new areas that you never knew existed, etc.

It's a hard life being a human but welcome back Matt.

Jon


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 05:24 PM

Hey Matt! I thought we were going to talk prog country some time. Remember, Oasis is just one of many fine, but misunderstood, acts out there that people need to know about. Cheeses, it's a good thing I didn't know you were gone or I might have missed you.

Now relax, breathe deep, and try not to upset yer elders.

see ya 'round
Bart


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 05:07 PM

McGrath, I got this horrid visual image from your post. First you're talking about real tripe, and throwing and freezing it, and then you say "something may strike you as tripe." Bleh! Imagine getting hit on the side of the head by a big hunk of rubbery cowgut.

I like Bruce Cockburn because his words paint pictures in my mind.

Is that the sort of thing you mean?

Rhododendrons in bloom,
sharp against spring snow,
remind me of another time
in Japanese temple --
there was a single orange blossom
at the wrong time of year --
seemed like a sign --
when I looked again,
it was gone.
--Brooce

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 04:02 PM

Being musical doesn't stop something being tripe; being non-musical doesn't ensure that it is tripe.

That's just an observation at large, not aimed at anyone. Threads centreing round "that's rubbish"..."no it's not"; or threads which are just lists - I find them a bit of a drag. But I like it when people explain why they think something is good or bad, or even lists, when people give reasons for including or excluding someone or something.

Tripe throwing contests used to be quite a feature of fetes and that up North. I had a friend who won one by cheating and freezing the tripe first. That is thread drift, I suppose - but not wholly. The fact that something may strike you as tripe doesn't mean that it can't be used as a source of enjoyment.

As for Matt m'boy - a valuable member of our peculiar community, whatever he calls himself. I've never yet seen him say anything genuinely hurtful to anyone, even when he's been trying to rile people. That can't be said of all of us. (And for God's sake don't anyone get into quoting instances they think contradict what I've just said, or we'll be all over the place tearing each other to bits, and we are too good at doing that sometimes. And in any case I am right...)


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: IvanB
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 03:10 PM

Matt_R, I guess Branwen said what I'd say in a far more succinct manner. As far as the melodrama of "I'm just a scumbag...maybe I should die," that was a bit of the old Mbo coming through and I'd just as soon have not been subjected to it. Don't expect you to be a new person overnight, but think before you post.

As far as cluttering of the forum, the rant "ELO sucks, Oasis sucks, heavy metal sucks," or similar that seem to be used around here are as much clutter as just about anything that Mbo ever posted. And we've got a lot more 'clutter' to worry about around here than commentary about performance groups - such discussion at least has some basis in music, unlike a large percentage of the threads lately, which seem to be pure tripe.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Troll
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 02:14 PM

Glad you're back Kid. Though I guess I shouldn't call you that any more. Like whatever music you want to but don't try to cram it down our throats. I happen to like (shudder! GASP!) swing and I think that Cole Porter was one of THE greatest songwriters ever but thats just my opinion and if YOU don't like his songs, well, thats your affair.
Don't be too quick to take offense;especially at us old guys. We tend to be set in our ways. Humor us.It behooves the young to put up with the ramblings and ravings of us old farts (Sorcha, you have at LEAST 10 years to go)[fartette?] Hmmmm.
And lastly, lay off the "I'm such an asshole" and "I'm scum" bullshit. You aren't nearly old enough to claim those titles.

troll....who IS old and knows these things.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 01:57 PM

Matt - Whaddya talkin' about? A person can change ANYTHING if they really want to. By the way, I heard your MP3.com or whatever you call it, the song where you sing with a Scottish accent, and you sound really good. Seriously. You've got a great voice for folk music. I hope to play a few with you one of these days.

In the meantime...I just can't wait for Goodbye part III to come along, can you?

Keep lookin' on the bright side. You may not be perfect, but we like you anyway. I mean, us folks in Orillia do.

Hell, I even like Oasis.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Branwen23
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 01:16 PM

Matt. Amergin. Clinton.

I don't know about everyone else, but IMHO, this whole cycle of "Bash Oasis, Defend Oasis, Bash Oasis, Bash each other, etc." is getting a little old.
It seems rather clear to me that it has evolved into alternately attempting to piss each other off rather than really discuss opinions about music. And if it is about music, then everyone's opinion seems clearly established and unlikely to change.

So, why perpetuate it?
The whole thing seems to have become pretty juvenile.

But, again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Glad to see you're still around, Matt. And don't take this the wrong way, but - Grow up a little. I can't speak lfor everyone, but I think that most of us really like you and like having you around. I may be misinterpreting this little drama we've had going here, but it wasn't necessary, and was more juvenile than I would have expected you to be.


-branwen-(who knows that she's likely to be flamed by someone


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Amergin
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 12:40 PM

Rofl, DDW...


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: ddw
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 12:10 AM

I've got nothing against Matt R being "back" — just hope he's left Mbo somewhere else. Never enjoyed seeing a FOLK MUSIC & BLUES forum cluttered with endless postings about rock music and finding endless repetitions of juvenile buzzword phrases like "_______ RULES!" ELO sucks, Oasis sucks, heavy metal sucks! OK?

Of course, that's just my opinion.

Rant over.

cheers

david


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Matt_R
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 12:04 AM

Well I don't know what to say. I don't want to leave, and I can't change the fact that I am an asshole. Maybe I SHOULD die! Wouldn't you all just love that? But I am scum and don't have the guts to do it.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: GUEST,Joerg
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 11:45 PM

Matt -

May I add some comments. People who know me are often kind of annoyed by me saying 'err' instead of 'yes' or 'no'. I'm not that sure any more... But there are also things I think I can rely on, e.g. the following:

Re. 1) Don't you know yet that you needn't insult somebody to hurt him? 'Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses'. That's only a quote, not my words, so don't feel offended. Singing a song is something different - it would be a catastrophy if I could only sing songs that tell my very opinion.

Don't you know yet that people out there might be different from your little sister? They might even know things your little sister does not and in reverse not know things your little sister knows. (One has to ask what is more important to know.)

If you want to tell things to other people you have to try to do it some way THEY ALSO can understand, rather than some way YOU can understand, regardless how difficult the latter may seem to you. So there's a need tell it more simple, not more complicated. (The most complicated way you can tell something might be simpler than what you mean to tell itself - THAT'S a problem.)

Re. 2) If there's a need to do a 'simple' internet search in order to understand what you want to tell, don't ever complain about people not understanding you.

Re. 3) Refer to 1). If you quote something (without further comments) don't be surprised if people think about what you want to tell by this. You can't quote something without telling something. Be sure it is your own opinion, otherwise you must be aware of being misunderstood.

Re. 4) Refer to 2). There are many, many things people think of rather that thinking of doing a quick search on the Oasis FAQ. Sometimes they even think of things different from the whole internet. Imagine!

Re. 5) and 6) If you intend to leave mudcat for a bit why don't you simply do it? Nobody would have been hurt by this, and nobody will ever be. It always makes me sad when I see people 'burning bridges' without any need, and that's what you pretended to do - and finally did. Why should I set my house on fire when I go out for a beer? Just for the effect? Is it that important for the fire police to know that I'm not at home for some time, and will they thank me for telling them, especially if I do it that way?

You know that is also the way, so-called 'love' is handled. My friend wants to go somewhere. Well, what's the problem? He's free, I would never dare to call him a friend otherwise. But obviously there is a need to first finish everything by insulting me as deeply as ever possible, according to "never step over an enemy if you aren't sure that he's completely dead". So I'm asking myself what kind of friend that was. Shouldn't I?

Fun? - Yes, Matt - for ME. I was enchanted by how they were shocked and finally even strangled each other for motorbikes. Things like these tell me that THERE IS love and people just don't dare to tell. I know that, yet I like being reminded of it as often as ever possible. It gives me courage. And I also think it should encourage you by telling you that at least what you did up to then was good, maybe even precious. Of course I don't know if you are able to see it that way.

So, if you need encouragement why do you give some to me instead of noticing and preserving what you have? I love it but I don't need more of it that urgently. I also need as many friends as possible, of course, but I do have some, not many but sufficient, and I know that I can only keep them by not playing tricks on them, especially no tricks concerning our friendship. It's a matter of confidence. And that's something I will never joke about.

What do you think: Are you going to have more friends after that maneuvre or less?

BTW - to avoid paranoid misunderstandings: Pariah GUEST,Joerg does not have a hidden cookie, I never posted with some different name and as far as I know nobody else ever posted as GUEST,Joerg.

Love to you all (not the so-called kind, the real stuff)

Joerg


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 11:41 PM

Andres, you and the spaw are both right on, there! Sometimes takes a while to work up a good piss (off), huh? Been there, done that. Work it up, get it out, and feel lots better after. LOL! You one of my favorite people here, too! (and it was a waste of time and emotional energy, IMHO--which also pisses me off. I don't have a lot of emotional energy to waste these days....)


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Escamillo
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 11:33 PM

LOL-thanks Spaw ! aaaahhh...


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Hotspur
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 11:23 PM

I don't know about the rest of this business, but "BELOVED Philly Flyers"??? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

Hotspur the Penguin (and, sigh, Canadien) fan


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 11:21 PM

That's OK Andres.......You're way low on the "Anger Meter" and you're entitled. Get good and pissed and enjoy it!!! You're still one of my favorite people!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Escamillo
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 11:16 PM

If the "Goodbye" post from Matt was insulting, I find his explanation more insulting. I don't have an obligation to know that was a lyrics from Oasis. I am not supposed to navigate the Web to find FAQ pages to investigate what he was telling us. I'm not a paranoid. I try to be gentle and grateful to all. His message was SIMPLY and CLEARLY insulting, and I expected a simple and sincere apology and was treated as an idiot.

However I agree that both threads are a waste of time. (Oops.. this is the first time I get angry here - my apologies to everyone else)


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 10:18 PM

Kate Smith played for the Flyers? And why am I not surprised that Matt loves her music?
I really did miss you.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 09:15 PM

Senility is a terrible thing Amos. Let's not humor the old boy, better to shoot straight. Let me show you:

Kendall, you are an incredible dumbass.

Its much better that way don't you agree?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Amos
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 08:47 PM

Kendall, why are you hiding under that Cookie? Practising to be a Cookie Monster at your age? I hope this isn't a second childhood shtick, man... you would do great as an entertainer on Sesame Street, but not if you can't stand up to Big Bird.

'As far as that goes you've shown you can give the Big Bird as well as you can take it, too! :>))Fond regards,

A


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: harpgirl
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 08:17 PM

that was me again, not harpgirl...kendall


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 08:16 PM

And when you get to be my age, excuses are all there is.......


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Subject: RE: Goodbye part II
From: harpgirl
Date: 18 Oct 00 - 08:09 PM

When you get to be my age, you dont need an excuse.


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