Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air

Subject: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: alison
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 02:05 AM

Looking for this tune... its a lovely slow air, heard it at a session in Carrickfergus...

apparently it was collected by Bunting around 1792

anyone know it???

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 01:37 PM

Bunting printed it in his 1840 collection. There's known no earlier publication of the tune.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: alison
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 09:34 PM

OK so the date I was given wasn't right.... but does anyone know the tune?

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 10:54 PM

Bunting, 1840, said he collected it in 1802, and that it had been composed by Thomas Connallon about 1660. (Bunting's collection has been reprinted). It is beyond my abilities to give Bunting's embellished tune as an ABC. There's a simpler version, "Sally Kelly", in the 2nd book of Niel Gow's Complete Repository, (1802) (also reprinted). A version appears as "Bearr an Veilbhit=Trim the Velvet" in B. Breathnach's Ceol Rince na hÉireann, III, #85. The first two are reprinted in Aloys Fleischmann's The Sources of Irish Traditional Music, 1998, I, #3760, and #3577. Breathnach gave other names for the tune as "The Humours of Flip", "The potlick", and "Kiss the maid behind the barrel".

Beware of that last title. It is shared by a number of different tunes; O'Neill's Music of Ireland, #1308 = Dance Music of Ireland, #571, and the complete Petrie collection, #884-#887.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: alison
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 11:07 PM

Thanks Bruce, but it isn't any of those, (I could only find Trim the velvet and Kiss the maid behind the barrel)...

they were major tunes... the one I'm looking for is definately minor and a lot slower......

I'll keep looking

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: alison
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 11:14 PM

YAY... I found it

"Saely Kelly

Saely or Susanna Kelly was notated from the harp playing of Charles Byrne by the young Edward Bunting, the transcriber attending the harpers at the famous 1792 Harpers Assembly in Belfast's Exchange Rooms. There is, however, an element of doubt as to the fact that O'Carolan was the composer of this piece. Charles Byrne antributed it to O'Carolan, but in another part of his work, Bunting attributes it to Connellan, a harper composer of a century earlier"

taken from this site

I already have Susanna Kelly in a book of O'Carolan stuff...

thanks for the help

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 11:26 PM

Bunting scored his as F# minor, but used natural signs on all of the D's to correct to the proper mode (making it dorian). Niel Gow's (where he notes that it is a reel) is in D minor.

Bunting in general used major or minor scoring modes as the basis for his tunes, then used accidentals to correct to other modes. That's not terribly uncommon, but you have to look at the whole tune, not just the keynote and signature to find out what the mode really is. Note also that the mode is not always a given. Some tunes are found in several modes.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: alison
Date: 19 Oct 00 - 11:33 PM

I know about modes Bruce.... but the ones that I found (and admittedly I didn't find them all) definately sounded like a major tune, (I did listen... not just look at the key sigs.... seen too many described wrongly before....)

I'll post it at Mudcat MIDIs when I get around to doing it...

thanks

again

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 01:55 AM

Here's Gow's tune, minus the base

X:1
T:Sally Kelly a Reel.
S:Niel Gow's 'Part Second of the Complete Repository', p. 32, 3rd edition [reprinted]
Q:1/4=100
L:1/8
M:C|
K:Dm
E|Ddd^c ~d3 f|{f/}edcd efga|fde^c d2 AF|GBAG FDD:|\
E|"tr"F3/2G/Ac F/F/F A2|"tr"F3/2G/Ac BGGg|\
fde^c d2AF|G/A/B ~A3/2G/ F(DD)F|F3/2G/Ac F/F/FA2|\
"tr"F3/2G/Ac BGGg|fde^cd2AF|(G/A/B) ~A3/2G/ F(DD)||]

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: alison
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:17 AM

thanks Bruce... now I just have to figure out how to convert abc

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 04:04 AM

Just copy the ABC standards file from the ABC homepage [click from Mudcats Links or from my homepage], and you should be able to transcribe directly from the ABC onto music paper.

K:Gm means key = G, mode = aeolian/minor, so you start with flatted B on the treble cleff. Notes CDEFGAB is the octave that starts with middle C, and cdefgab is the next octave up. | starts or ends a measure, and \ just means continue the tune on the next line. The :| is the same (repeat left) as in normal music notation. L:1/8 means I've used an eight note for the default note length, so any letter-note without a number or / behind it is an eighth note. X2 is then 2 times the default note time (the eighth note) = a quarter note, and X/ is the same as X/2 which means divide default time by two for a 1/16 note. X3/2 is then a dotted eighth note. Q:1/4=100 is the overall tempo and you can change that 100 to whatever you like. Incidently you can get download ABC2WIN for free from that website and you can play (through your computer's speaker only) and display the tune in normal music notation for free. You've got to pay something, I've forgotten exactly what, but not much, in order to print out the music in music notation. You can also down load programs there that will convert ABC to MIDI format if you like that better.

If the tune isn't very complicated, then ABC is really a very simple and compact way to note a tune.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: GUEST,alison
Date: 20 Oct 00 - 08:54 AM

thanks again Bruce.... I used this part of JC's and just pasted your stuff in... worked a treat...

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 22 Oct 00 - 08:40 PM

G'day,
Thanks to alison the tune for "Saely Kelly/Susanna Kelly" can be found here at the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Saely Kelly - slow air
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Oct 00 - 08:46 PM

Oh, it played in ABC2Win, but it kept giving me these "note value is wrong at position xx" messages. Will try pasting as said above, but it sounds like a "Scotch Snap" tune with the "reverse hornpipe" rhythm that I can't seem to get...........is 100 too fast? That is what my program played it at. Was not "slow", but was not too fast........maybe 80?