Subject: Lyr Add: THE LAST LAY OF MATTY GROVES From: Catrin Date: 19 Oct 00 - 02:23 PM I have found a version of Matty Groves that I have never come across before - on this website The website gives no source or references. Does anyone know whether or not it is an authentic version, in the sense that this is not just a version that the website owner wrote himelf? All help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Catrin. Here are the lyrics...
THE LAST LAY OF MATTY GROVES |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Noreen Date: 19 Oct 00 - 05:00 PM Catrin, it strikes me as a recent construction, based on Fairport's version. Several reasons, including the following- I have read that Lord Darnell appeared first in that version, 'Lord Arnold' having been misheard, and phrases such as 'I've been getting it up all night' sound contemporary, and added for a laugh. You could e-mail the person responsible for the site, and ask for more details? I meant to ask you, do you know about 'Little Musgrave'? See this thread for more info. Noreen |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Bernard Date: 19 Oct 00 - 05:09 PM See also the ballad of Lady Barnard and Little Musgrave (Child 81) which was probably the original... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Catrin Date: 19 Oct 00 - 05:24 PM Thanks Noreen, I've printed off that thread. It never occurred to me to contact the person responsible for the site but I think you're right, it does smack of 'modern'. It made me laugh though. Bernard, thanks - I must look that up in the child ballad website. Cheers, Catrin |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 19 Oct 00 - 06:57 PM Anybody got a tune for this thing? I sorta asumed that it would go to Fairport Conventions tune, but in a lot of places the scan is really chunky and sloppy... I do like the tale though... pretty neat... {~` |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 19 Oct 00 - 08:49 PM It's obviously a recent invention, but it's an intelligent one, and well worth posting here. It is important, though, that people are specific about where they get these things from; otherwise, in a month or two, we'll be fielding questions from innocents who are convinced that this is the original medieval Irish Celtic Pre-Christian Pagan etc. source of heaven-knows-what... Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: celticblues5 Date: 20 Oct 00 - 12:07 AM Catrin - The Little Musgrave version in the link given above is very close to the Christy Moore version. If you can, find a recording of him doing it - exquisite! It is in his songbook. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Fiolar Date: 20 Oct 00 - 01:12 PM You will find the Christy Moore recording of "Little Musgrave" on the Planxty album "The Woman I Loved So Well." Several artists have recorded versions of Little Musgrave/Matty Groves including Joan Baez and Old Blind Dogs as well as Fairport. Good luck. M |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Catrin Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:13 PM I have just e-mailed the website chappie asking where he got it from. When (if) he responds, I'll post his response here. Cheers, Catrin |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Bernard Date: 20 Oct 00 - 02:28 PM The version of Child 81 that I have is on Rosemary Hardman's first album, Queen of Hearts... recorded on December 29th, 1968 at the Bate Hall Hotel, Macclesfield. She wasn't writing much at the time - there are only two of her own songs on this album - Child of Merseyside and Ontario Bound. Very memorable songs...?? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Catrin Date: 20 Oct 00 - 03:45 PM I have just had a response from the website owner 'Llwetrah'. Here it is (copied and pasted).... > I found your version of Matty Groves from your website >(The Last Lay of Matty Groves). Would you mind telling >me who wrote it, or where it came from? I wrote it. You're welcome to use it - that's why I write the things! Any acknowledgement (if you do so) when it's performed should simply be to 'Llewtrah'. In the realms of bawdy verse I don't use my own name. Thanks, Llewtrah
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Catrin Date: 22 Oct 00 - 07:56 AM Refresh |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: GUEST,BeaJay Date: 29 Oct 06 - 09:53 AM Matty Groves A holiday, a holiday, and the first one of the year. Lord Darnell's wife came into church, the gospel for to hear. And when the meeting it was done, she cast her eyes about, And there she saw little Matty Groves, walking in the crowd. "Come home with me, little Matty Groves, come home with me tonight. Come home with me, little Matty Groves, and sleep with me till light." "Oh, I can't come home, I won't come home and sleep with you tonight, By the rings on your fingers I can tell you are Lord Darnell's wife." "What if I am Lord Darnell's wife? Lord Darnell's not at home. For he is out in the far cornfields, bringing the yearlings home." And a servant who was standing by and hearing what was said, He swore Lord Darnell he would know before the sun would set. And in his hurry to carry the news, he bent his breast and ran, And when he came to the broad mill stream, he took off his shoes and swam. Little Matty Groves, he lay down and took a little sleep. When he awoke, Lord Darnell he was standing at his feet. Saying "How do you like my feather bed? And how do you like my sheets? How do you like my lady who lies in your arms asleep?" "Oh, well I like your feather bed, and well I like your sheets. But better I like your lady gay who lies in my arms asleep." "Well, get up, get up," Lord Darnell cried, "get up as quick as you can! It'll never be said in fair England that I slew a naked man." "Oh, I can't get up, I won't get up, I can't get up for my life. For you have two long beaten swords and I not a pocket-knife." "Well it's true I have two beaten swords, and they cost me deep in the purse. But you will have the better of them and I will have the worse." "And you will strike the very first blow, and strike it like a man. I will strike the very next blow, and I'll kill you if I can." So Matty struck the very first blow, and he hurt Lord Darnell sore. Lord Darnell struck the very next blow, and Matty struck no more. And then Lord Darnell he took his wife and he sat her on his knee, Saying, "Who do you like the best of us, Matty Groves or me?" And then up spoke his own dear wife, never heard to speak so free. "I'd rather a kiss from dead Matty's lips than you and your finery." Lord Darnell he jumped up and loudly he did bawl, He struck his wife right through the heart and pinned her against the wall. "A grave, a grave!'' Lord Darnell cried, "to put these lovers in. But bury my lady at the top for she was of noble kin." |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Jim Dixon Date: 30 Oct 06 - 08:57 PM Where did you get that version, BeaJay? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: & info req. Matty Groves From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 30 Oct 06 - 09:13 PM It's the modernised Fairport Convention recording, as posted in many other threads already (see links above). It's also in the DT, but the transcription there is poor and full of mis-hearings. |
Subject: DT Correction. Matty Groves (Fairport/DT) From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Oct 21 - 08:52 PM Here are the Digital Tradition Lyrics for Matty Groves, alongside my transcription of the Fairport Convention version.
Child #81 |
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