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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: rangeroger Date: 26 Oct 00 - 10:35 PM SDShad, I haven't seen DiscWasher fluid around for a while. I kind of gave up looking for it as vinyl died.Which is really kind of stupid as I have so much vinyl and the DiscWasher process is what has kept my records in such good shape. I have found that isoproyl alcohol in a small pump sprayer is just as effective and a whole lot cheaper ($0.50 a pint) rr |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Metchosin Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:41 PM Hawthorns to be exact. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Bernard Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:36 PM That, too. Thorns were also used. Unfortunately I've nothing other than superficial memories to go from, though I know where I can find out, but not quickly... |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: mousethief Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:04 PM I thought the fancy needles were bamboo, not wood. But I've been wrong before.
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Bernard Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:01 PM Steve - 'You'll lose some bass, though...' no you don't, unless you've got something radically wrong somewhere! '...One thing which you may not know about (oh yes I do! It's RIAA equalisation!) is that vinyl records had the treble end boosted on the recording for technical reasons which would otherwise lead to a loss of treble on playback.' No! It was merely to increase 'track density' - a groove with lots of bass is wider than one which hasn't! It also helped to avoid the track wall being too thin. The record was mastered with the bass reduced, pressed, and the RIAA EQ then put the bass back. '...Your record player (phonograph) amplifier compensates by reducing it again; a bit like Dolby, I suppose. But with 78s you do lose this top-end, which you don't if you use a mechanical sound-box.' Perhaps I should have pointed out that you don't use the RIAA when transcribing 78's - take the signal direct from the deck. It will need to patch through the microphone input (okay, it's mono, but so are the records!) instead of the line input, as the level is low from magnetic pickups. '...I've got an HMV portable, and it's LOUD! The sound quality is surprisingly good, too.' The quality of the diaphragm in the head assembly makes all the difference. Never be tempted to take one apart, unless it has already ceased to function! '...I'm not too happy about the effects of the steel needle on the playing surface...' The best 'needles' were made of wood... but this should be another thread!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: wildlone Date: 26 Oct 00 - 03:02 PM still got mine and scour any charity shop and car boot sale looking for more, one of the best I have found recently was Pete Seeger and Arlo Guthrie "Together" 1973 almost mint for 50p. also Tom Paxton and Burl Ives records I also Like the rock from the 70s Dr Feelgood, King Crimson, Strawbs, there is so much out there if you look. I got myself a new stereo the other day that plays vinyl and has a line out on the back so I should be able to connect it to the computer when I get a CD burner |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Whistle Stop Date: 26 Oct 00 - 01:12 PM Ely, a recent CD by Steve Earle (Stacey's brother) had one cut where they dubbed in the sound of the needle on vinyl. It was on El Corazon, which came out a couple of years ago -- can't remember which cut, but it was an old-timey sounding song, and the effect was kind of neat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: kendall Date: 26 Oct 00 - 12:55 PM I have a large collection of Folk Legacy lps, and no cd or tape can ever replace them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Metchosin Date: 26 Oct 00 - 12:11 PM sure |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Lyrical Lady Date: 26 Oct 00 - 11:58 AM I have hundreds of 78's and an old turntable and a MAC. What more do I need to make a file of all this music on my computer. I'm not very technical so anyone who could pm me some words of instruction or advice...I'd really appreciate it. I want to perserve as much of this music as I can. Thanks ...LL (Metchosin ... you sound very knowledgable about this and you live very close to me ... could you help, please?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Metchosin Date: 26 Oct 00 - 11:19 AM If you are really serious about vinyl, after cleaning you might also refurbish them with LAST (Liquid Archival Sound Treatment). It too should be available at most high end audio stores. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Steve Parkes Date: 26 Oct 00 - 10:34 AM Let's get this right -- you did say DiscWasher and not DishWasher?! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: SDShad Date: 26 Oct 00 - 09:08 AM rangeroger, can you still get the official DiscWasher fluid anywhere? Chris |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: guinnesschik Date: 26 Oct 00 - 09:00 AM Woah, I'm glad I only did the car wax thing once! Thanks, ya'll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Metchosin Date: 26 Oct 00 - 03:19 AM You may scoff, but there may be more going on than pure nostalgia for those of us who love our analog recordings and find them more satisfying, in some regards, than CDs.
The following appeared in the letter to the Editor section of Stereophile Volume 23, No 8 August 2000
"High-frequency perception
Briefly, the experimenters utilized a form of music that naturally contained large quantities of high-frequency harmonics. They filtered the sound at 22kHz (the cut off frequency of CDs) to provide two parts: a low frequency and high-frequency component. While the high frequency component remained inaudible and produced no EEG patterns on its own, they did find significant changes in both the listeners' alpha-wave EEG patterns and in their cerebral blood flow when comparing presentations of the full range with that low-pass filtered at 22kHz.
It would seem that those who claim scientific basis for their insistence on the irrelevance of high frequency sound need to modify their arguments quite substantially in light of these results. It is interesting to note, that the microscopic grooves in a vinyl disc, can resolve information at a level which exceeds the smallest wavelength of visible light. Therefore you should hang on to your BVDs (black vinyl discs) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Seth Date: 26 Oct 00 - 01:46 AM My Father -in- law recently died at ninety-seven. He had been the publicist for several opera singers of the first part of the century ( Nellie Melba, Madame Schumman Heink) He had huge folder of opera '78's that he carried around with him the rest of his life, and he was a man who didn't stay in one place very long.He took very good care of them, didn't let his children touch them, and would take them lovingly from their folders to play for us just a few years ago. He would smile and the voice of Nellie Melba or Carouso would fill the room. " Now this is the real music." he would say. The cool thing was that he was right- they still sounded great, 80years? after they were made. I can't imagine that CD's would be involved in a situation like that. I think that records had a nice long run,( 1915-1990?) and that it is part of what gives them some kind of special mojo for many of us. I still have them, carefully stored away, waiting for what? Seth from China |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: rangeroger Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:03 PM And I have to agree with Metchosin. Don't use car wax on LPs!!! I had a lady friend one time with some really great Bluegrass LPs. I tried to play them and couldn't understand what was clogging my stylus up so bad. Turned out she didn't like the way they collected dust so she had sprayed them with End-Dust. I took the entire collection and washed them with a soft cloth in warm soapy water. They played a lot better after that. I clean each of my LPs before playing with a DiscWasher brush sprayed with a light coat of isopropyl alcohol. rr |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: IvanB Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:01 PM I still have 8 or 900 albums sitting in the basement. My plan is to put them on my computer in MP3 format, so I can fit my collection on the least number of CD's possible. I won't get rid of the vinyl, tho. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: rangeroger Date: 25 Oct 00 - 10:46 PM I also still have all my LPs, EPs, and 45s. Like everyone else many are simply irreplaceable.I add to the collection when I find those gems. Just today I paid 75 cents for David Crosby/Graham Nash LP "Whistling Down the Wire". Has David Lindley playing on it with them. rr |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:24 PM Seth...just a couple years ago I found a MINT copy of "Introducing the Beers Family" in a used record bin...you CAN'T let that sit there....I had assumed that I'd never hear that record again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Seth Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:18 PM One of the nice things about the nineties was that as people dumped their LP collections, they had atendency to show up in the local Goodwiil or Sallly Ann at $1.00 or even .50 cents a pop. I got someone's nearly complete collection of Blue Note JAzz from the fifties and early sixties this way, not to mention '78's by Elvis, Little Richard, Fats Waller, Billie HOliday, Chuck Berry, Dizzy Gillespie, and James Brown. And Bill MOnroe. I was aslo able to usually find very high quality turntables there. I've been out of the country for a while, so I don't know if this has dried up or not. Sound qualitiy matters to me if that is what the recording is about. I don't want to hear pops or scratches with Stockhausen, but with Blind Willie Johnson? He had enough scratches in his voice so that any record sounded scratchy. My wife also thinks I'm crazy, but when I came home with another copy of the Beers Family record that she had played to death, she modified her diagnosis to somewhat unstable but still capable of useful work Seth from China |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Ely Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:10 PM Lonesome Gillette, the Library of Congress needs you. It's projects like that that make me wish I were an eccentric billionaire (I guess I'll have to settle for just being eccentric). Actually, Metchosin, a friend of mine loaned me a CD a couple of years ago that started out with "record crackle". I can't remember what it was (might have been Stacey Earle but I can't swear to it). I played the first track maybe 6 times just to hear it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Lonesome Gillette Date: 25 Oct 00 - 05:49 PM Hey, Ely's post gave me an Idea. I wonder if it would make sense for people who had these huge old hard to replace record collections that were never going to be released on CD to burn them onto CD and build up a library. Then contact the artists and work out some deal for the sale of single, one at a time copies to be sold from the library. This is not very practical I guess, but sounds neat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Bill D Date: 25 Oct 00 - 05:17 PM Ain't gonna let go of my LPs ...can't afford to replace then even IF they come out on CD...(I may PUT some on CD soon now that that is possible for the avarage guy)...There are places you can get replacement needles and even players, and I am 61, so I will just coast, buying a few CDs and listening to 500-600 LP....oughta keep me busy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Ely Date: 25 Oct 00 - 04:53 PM Alive and well. Actually, I have a bunch of weird stuff (released by the performer, I guess) that will probably never be reissued unless the artist goes back to trying to do it for a living, so I can't give up the vinyl. We've asked a friend of ours to transfer a bunch of them to CD, though, because they are getting old and can't be replaced.
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Robby Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:56 AM I've still got my LPs, plus a bunch we've gotten from other family members. I also have my fathers 78s, which I managed to transfer to audio cassettes before my 30 something BSR died. Now I'm looking for a new turntable to transfer the LPs to audio cassette, because I don't have the computer equipment to transfer anything to CD. Anyway, if I could transfer them to CDs, I wouldn't be able to play them. Technologically challenged is what I am. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: mousethief Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:39 AM Most of mine got sold when we moved from Chicago to Seattle without a job waiting -- between food for the baby and records, the records had to go. Waaaah! I sure miss 'em! I still have about 100 LP's left. I have about 300 CD's, and my collection grows constantly. Nowadays I only buy LP's when it's a selection that I cannot get on CD. I can't hear this warm/cold thing so CD's don't bother me a bit.
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Metchosin Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:30 AM Lonesome Gillette, that would be nice, I don't know how you are doing it now, but in the interim, I go from my headphone jack on the 78 player, to sound in on the tapedeck and from sound out on the tapedeck to the microphone jack on the back of my computer. I probably have some frequency response anomalies? due to the connections, but for 78s, I'm not that in to superb sound quality, so it serves my purpose. Does make for a lot more wires to add to the rats nest thats already there though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Tiger Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:07 AM Still have everything and browse the garage sales and flea markets. Continue to look for old 78's, but only in certain categories (blues, barbershop, dance hall). No interest, in big bands, Sinatra vocals, Kostalanetz, etc., but I'd kill for Fats Waller, Rev. Gary Davis, Peerless Quartette, Henry Burr). 45's - never had any interest, only have about a dozen. LP's - my primary archive. Lots of folk, bluegrass, gospel. Still actively adding to this pile, mostly through eBay. Lots of this will never make it to CD, and I wouldn't pay for it anyway. Wife thinks I'm nuts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Lonesome Gillette Date: 25 Oct 00 - 11:00 AM I want to get a 78 player for my computer, plug it in through the USB port |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Metchosin Date: 25 Oct 00 - 10:43 AM eeh! eeh! guinesschick please don't use car wax on vinyl! It has solvents and emulients and frequently silicons which will break down the vinyl, bad news all around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Whistle Stop Date: 25 Oct 00 - 10:28 AM The thing I miss most is that little moment of anticipation, when you hear the needle touch down on the vinyl but the song hasn't started to play yet. It's like a Pavlovian response -- my ears perk up and my blood starts to pump just a little faster as I wait for the first note to sound. They haven't built that into CD's yet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: John Hindsill Date: 25 Oct 00 - 10:18 AM "What?! Another record? Don't you have enough?" This is the greeting I get from my good wife upon my returning from a thrift store, garage sale, or used record store with my latest folk treasure. My answer is always the same, "No." Anybody who thinks vinyl is too bulky, too noisy, or just not high-tech enough may send that waste to ol' J. H. They (the records, that is) will get a loving home and be useful once again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: guinnesschik Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:43 AM Ah, vinyl. I still have all my LP's, EP's and 45's. I've made tapes of the really important ones, but I love them all and refuse to get rid of them. I have aboout 500, and still buy when the mood strikes me. All are in primo condition, and it brings back such good memories to listen to them. If you want to cut out some of the "deep fried" noises, polish your record with car wax. It helps fill in those little pits and scratches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Bat Goddess Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:42 AM Still have an incredibly large eclectic mix of vinyl. A lot was transferred to tape for listening ease (like at work, in the car) but I still have a very good turntable. A lot of the early folk will probably never be released on CD (although there are surprises every day) and it's always ineresting to see, when they are released on CD, what is added to fill up space or to entice new listeners. Of course, a lot of the LPs were pre-cassette tape, so my husband wore some pretty deep grooves in them learning songs back in the '50s & '60s. I'm thinking of de-accessioning some of the non-folk to the local public radio station's record sale next summer. I'm thinking cubic footage. Bat Goddess |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Kim C Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:36 AM I still have all my records though I doubt any are worth anything. We don't have a turntable anymore, though. Go figure. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Jimmy C Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:24 AM I still have my collection of around 500 hundred. Will get them on to CD's someday, just in case I can't get a record player in the future, Quite a few are irreplaceable and I would hate not to be able to play them. I still buy them when I come across one that I fancy. Mostly from argae sales and church bazaars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: SINSULL Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:10 AM I am still collecting LPs. I love records and only tolerate CDs. Can't figure out how to play the song I want when I want it. Must be getting old. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Wesley S Date: 25 Oct 00 - 09:10 AM I sold off about 1,000 of them a few years back which leaves me with only 2,000 left. I dread moving - but I'll never part with them. I need to find some way to secure them so that when my twins are old enough to use them like frizbees, they can't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Oct 00 - 08:59 AM Never thought of that, Bernard! You'll lose some bass, though, and modern (i.e. electrically recorded) 78s have a lot more of it than you mihgt think. One thing which you may not know about is that vinyl records had the treble end boosted on the recording for technical reasons which would otherwise lead to a loss of treble on playback. Your record player (phonograph) amplifier compensates by reducing it again; a bit like Dolby, I suppose. But with 78s you do lose this top-end, which you don't if you use a mechanical sound-box. I've got an HMV portable, and it's LOUD! The sound quality is surprisingly good, too. I'm not too happy about the effects of the steel needle on the playing surface; they tell me you should always put it in the run-out groove for about 20 - 30 seconds, just to take the "shoulders" off the point, before you play the recording. And did you know that Logie Baird recorded video on 78s? They've only recently been replayed with some fancy laser machine; apparently he never got around to inventing a video gramophone to play 'em back on! Roger, get on the Net -- you can still get the hardware if you make the effort. Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Oct 00 - 08:59 AM Got a coople of dozen CDs, and a couple of hundred (or more) records. I could never afford to replace my records, even if they were available, which most of the time they aren't.
In fact I'm still buying them, because the most remarkable things can turn up in charity shop record stacks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Bernard Date: 25 Oct 00 - 08:50 AM Also see these threads: This one, or... this one... |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Bernard Date: 25 Oct 00 - 08:46 AM Here's a tip! Transfer your 78's to CD as follows... Play them at 45rpm (or 33 if you've the time) into your recording software on your computer (NOT via cassette!), then use the software to speed them up. That way you obtain the best signal transfer - decks with 78 on them aren't usually very good - and you'll also automatically lose some of the background noise, because its frequency goes beyond audible (especially using 33)... Okay, there's still some to lose - but 78's are supposed to sound like that, aren't they?!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: wysiwyg Date: 25 Oct 00 - 08:23 AM We have ours. Some lyric sheets are gone. Most are in OK shape, except where the cats clawed the cover-edges. We had two needles at one point-- one for real good LP's in good shape, and another for the more atritted ones, so we don't wreck the good needle and thus damage whatever it plays on next. Do you all know about Kingdom Inc.? They are an international company located right near us. Their bread and butter item is blank cassette tape. And CHEAP, but GOOD QUALITY, in bulk. Also available are those nifty plastic tape albums with two to 12 pockets and an outer sleeve for your jacket and spine label. Blank tape labels by the sheet for laser-print or by roll, or printed labels to order, and J-cards and norelco boxes and poly boxes... They supply churches for their cassette ministries all around the world, and have a variety of qualities, and will send sample blank tapes out for new customers. They are serious about quality and refuse to sell that crap that you think of when you think of cheap tape. A lot of the ministries in thier cutomer base have sophisticated music and sound going on. The company's profit comes from the volume that results from connecting the best suppliers and high-volume customers who want GOOD TAPE that will preserve its contents until... the second coming! *G* They also sell high-speed cassette tape duplicators and a variety of sound equipment. Good people too. FAST shipping. In fact I used to work there and may be headed back there soon. There is also a division that duplicates audio, video, and CD's to order, including printing of packaging materials and assembly. They don't have a great website, yet, but are at: www.kingdominc.com Free catalogs, very entertaining too. Technical articles on sound equipment. And a wealth of ideas on how to promote distribution-- ideas from church that can be transferred into other settings such as club, tavern, or tailgate sales. My plan has always been to buy a couple of boxed 100's of medium-quality tape and copy those LP's when I have some time (which would be now), to go into albums. And then I'll xerox the covers and lyric sheets and liner notes to put in a binder. We also make backup copies of most of our CD's, onto the cheaper tape stock, because car tunes are how we learn new material but managing CDs in the car is too tricky for me. For those, I am not after sound quality, just the songs please. And I don't waste money on boxes for those either. Thanks for starting this thread. I have been wondering what other people are doing with their LP's, and have wanted to pass on this resource for blank tape for a long time. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Whistle Stop Date: 25 Oct 00 - 08:15 AM Lost them in the divorce. I recommend this to people with lots of excess stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 25 Oct 00 - 03:42 AM Still got 'em. And the 78s. And the piano rolls. Still looking for a music centre that'll play 78s as well as all the other media, our last 3-speed turntable has bitten the dust. RtS |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Metchosin Date: 25 Oct 00 - 03:35 AM Still have them, still play them, including a large collection of 78RPMs(a lot of which I have put on tape because of their fragility, but I still refuse to throw them out). Like Bugsy I like the warmth of the sound of analog recordings. We used to joke in this household that CD was real music's evil twin.
Not that I don't enjoy CD's, because I do, I particularly like digitally reproduced guitar, mandolin and other stringed instruments, as long as they haven't had the s**t compressed out of them. However, I do miss the warmth and fullness of the recorded human voice, that vinyl seems to impart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Steve Parkes Date: 25 Oct 00 - 03:32 AM Vinyl is for wimps -- real records are made of shellac! Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Peter Kasin Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:57 AM Yeah, I know what you mean. Some of the old ones sound like a Rice Krispies commercial. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: GUEST,CraigS Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:42 AM I've still got mine, but a lot are very noisy - I know there are ways of removing that "deep-fried" sound from recordings by computer, but I've never investigated. Anyone got recommendations on the subject? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: JamesJim Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:40 AM Still got a ton of them, but rarely play them. I'm going to hang on to them. There are a lot of good memories there. Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Bugsy Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:36 AM I still have them, and still play them. The analog recordings have a much warmer feel than the digital recordings on the CD's. I still prefer LP's, and was sorry to see their demise. Cheers Bugsy whousedtoworkforarecordcompany. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Peter Kasin Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:31 AM There was a time when I didn't really feel like I owned a recording unless it was on vinyl. CD's took some getting used to. Now that CD's are the mode of choice, my records are in their vinyl resting place, in my home on their shelf. However - I don't want to sell them. I've only replaced a few with CD's. There are some collector's items, many sentimental LP's, some that have not been released on CD, and there just is something "warm" about an old LP, as opposed to the "cold" CD. -chanteyranger |
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Subject: RE: BS: What happened to your records? From: Sorcha Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:21 AM Still have them, and a 33/45 turntable, too. Hard to find, but not impossible. Made cassettes of the most important ones, tho, so I can play them elsewhere. |
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Subject: What happened to your records? From: Seth Date: 25 Oct 00 - 01:15 AM Remember records? God. they were great. Lots of room for notes and a picture or a graphic, relatively easy to move around, and you could tell which ones you loved the most by looking at or even touching the spines as they were on the shelf. Like books, and other well loved objects, they showed signs that they were important in your life. So... when CDC's took over, what did you do with your records? Sell them, give them away, leave them with your parents?,replace them all with CD's?What are records? I have a lot of records ( that I am not trying to sell to you), and I just don't want to let them go. I guess that I could probably find most of them on CD( on special order at $20 a pop), but I can't afford to do that. SO I'll just throw this out there and see where it lands Seth from China |