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Subject: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Zebedee Date: 26 Oct 00 - 03:51 PM I know this is perhaps quite a lot to ask from a bunch of complete strangers, but I'd be really grateful if you could look at www.chorltonworkshop.demon.co.uk and tell me what you see (wasn't that a Beatles song?) If you could let me know what browser and version you're using, along with whether you get the graphic in the right place (if at all) I'd be very grateful. This would be very much appeciated. Thank you for your time. Zeb Any comments, criticisms etc of the rest of the site welcomed, but it's the homepage that most bothers me.
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Oct 00 - 03:55 PM Zeb, the link does not work. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Robby Date: 26 Oct 00 - 03:55 PM Zeb, I could not access the site from my office. We have MS Internet Explorer. When I clicked on the site given, I received error message 404 "Requested URL not found." |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: mousethief Date: 26 Oct 00 - 03:55 PM Bad clicky, Zeb. Try this one: clicky
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Liz the Squeak Date: 26 Oct 00 - 03:58 PM Looks good, very professional and very interesting. Perchance, is it your place of employment or something?? LTS |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: mousethief Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:00 PM Okay, I'm using Netscape 4.5, with a 17" monitor, and I get almost three copies of the house-shape graphic. The words centered more-or-less, but the "C" of "Classes" is inside the black line of the left side of the middle house shape, but the "t" of "Support" is about 3/8" away from the black line on the right side of the middle house shape. If that makes any sense. The right "eaves" of the right house shape are truncated. The page background is a soft yellow. The clickable words are blue. Hope this helps!
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Zebedee Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:00 PM Dear me - you ask for help on your webpage and make (for me) the most simple mistake - forgetting the http:// in the link *blush* I really should know better Zeb |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Zebedee Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:03 PM Mousethief, This is what I feared. According to the books my code should work in Netscape 4+ but it obviously doesn't... Zeb |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: katlaughing Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:04 PM No, it wasn't that you forgot the http, but that you had www.mudcat.www.etc. written in there instead. I just deleted the www.mudcat part and it went right to it. The link in your first post has been fixed now, anyway. I'll go take a look when I have some more time. Thanks for asking us! It's fun to see what we are all up to. kat Sorry, my mistake, it was the http that was missing, but it still came up with the mudcat in the title when I first tried it.:-) |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:05 PM The new clicky works fine. It's a good site, great to get around in and loads really fast because it is done simply. BTW, I have done some similar work, not on this scale, and I have a family involvement program you might like to look at, but what is the [demon] part of the URL about? Noticed Mudcatter Ed Pellow in there. I was going pretty fast, didn't see a Zebedee. Did I miss you? I'm on IE, dunno what version. Not the newest one I know that. And on a 486. Oh, and yeah-- Mudcatters hang up their sites for a review like this from time to time. It's considered fine to do, asking for critiques, etc. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Zebedee Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:14 PM Praise, Zebedee aka Ed Pellow... People, please dont let this thread turn into one about mudcat names. (Anyone who wishes to know why I changed names please PM me). In this thread, I'd be grateful if some html wizards could explain why my homepage doesn't work in Netscape. Thank you. Zeb / Ed |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: MMario Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:14 PM Zeb - I'm on Netscape 4.7 I get two of the house shaped graphics, which overlay your clickable links and make them very difficult to read. from here the links appear to be for Introd tion Ind Classes ople Su & ort |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:14 PM It loaded quickly, no colour clashes, picture looked fine, text legible and the site easy to navigate. I've got Internet Explorer 5.5, with a 15 inch monitor, using Windows 95. I wish more qwebsites kept it straightforward and simple to use, and dispensed with the flashy graophics that take ages to download.
I'd suggest building up a links page, with the sites that seem relevent to people in the project - that way you get people into the way of using the site as a convenient route to get to other places, and using it as a home page themslelves maybe.
And maybe you might add a guestbook and a search engine for the site (you can get them for free - if you'd like to have the ones I use on my site, come and help yourself - click on them, and go to the site that hosts them and get copies for yourself.
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Kim C Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:16 PM Looks good to me! |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:19 PM Zeb-- After another look-- The graphic looks fine here altho my monitor makes all photos very dark. So take my next comment with that in mind-- The logo inside the site looks so different from the logo with photo inside you are using as an annual report cover. The photo is a good strong one, and the image of the work of the place being wrapped in its logo is wonderful. But I am curious if it is considered OK to alter the logo in that way, especially for a cover shot, especially when it is on the document that more than any other is responsible for representing the organiztion to the public and its contributiors. In one sense, you would want them completely bonded to the true logo. Also, in our multicultural world, and the work of the organization involved, unfortunately any one photo can make some people feel someone has been made the "ideal type." Inside the site you see it in collage. But-- this is a cover. I do think that this is one of the best "merged media" pieces I have ever seen-- a piece that can be print or online and the elements look like they would work equally well in either medium. Strong design has spread itself like wings, across media, keeping it all clear-- the design skill has overridden the medium used. GOOD JOB. ~S~ Comeing from the Red Cross, which is very strict about this kind of thing, I am just asking, not having a strong opinion. Wondering if the lighter view of the ophoto makes the C of the logo clearer, and so on, but it still is replaceing an element of the logio with aniother element. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Zebedee Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:32 PM Susan, You flatter me rotten... But I like it! |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: SINSULL Date: 26 Oct 00 - 04:38 PM General Impression: The site is clear, concise, user friendly, easy to navigate. I agree - nothing annoys me more than having to wait while useless flashing graphics load. Two questions: What is a National Lottery Grant? Our Lottery money gets lost in political rhetoric. Second: "centred" - an alternate spelling for "centered" or a typo? I spend my days navigating through websites as part of qualifying customers. This works. Nice job! |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 26 Oct 00 - 05:04 PM Zebedee, the problem you are having comes from the Netscape way of handling the background graphics. It's not something you can overcome easily. I'll try some experimentation and see if I can find a way to overcome it. No guarantees. |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Zebedee Date: 26 Oct 00 - 05:08 PM George, Thank you - as I said earlier, Netscape 4+ is supposed to handle the code I wrote, but as previous messages show, it doesn't Zeb His head still swelling from previous comments (they made me happy) |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Oct 00 - 05:27 PM Edebee, You know I meant every word. You know I am always sincere. I don't care what name you're here under. It's nice you were open about it. But maybe because I didn't know it was you, my comments came through to you even more credibly. I'd love to know what you thought about the concerns I raised, if you want to PM or e-mail. Doing what I do, I'd be interested to know how you resiolved the issues, what guided your judgment. In other words, I offer to learn from you. In case I wasn't clear, not only are these pages great to look at, the design is so good that one does not notice design has even occurred. Like a song one does not realize had to be written and was not always there. Did you do the logo too? Hope the tech problems can be resolved easily. Good of George to help-- goodonya GS! ~Susan PS sorry about all my yptos. Not a real bright day here but post-nap, I can say the lamp is burning. (I used to be a proofreader! hahahaaah! My internal spiellchucker broke! No wonder I switched to editing!) |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Jeri Date: 26 Oct 00 - 05:43 PM Again, I'm guessing, but it sounds like Netscape tiles the image across the row instead of just displaying it once. Perhaps if you reduced the width of the table, the image would have no room to tile. You have it set to 100% now. You can probably experiment to find the narrowest you can make it without it interfering with anything. ZebEd, I've got to agree with everyone else - you must have been clever to get the people to fit inside the little house so perfectly. Note to others: Demon is one of the UK's largest ISPs (maybe THE largest) and "centre" is the British-English spelling of the US-English "center." |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Jon Freeman Date: 26 Oct 00 - 06:07 PM zeb, I also had been having a play with it before my ISP went down this seems to be as good as I can do with your method. Jon |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: MiriamKilmer Date: 26 Oct 00 - 06:24 PM Using Netscape 4.74 I get 3 full copies of the graphic plus the left edge of a fourth house. The blue "Introduction" is on top of the black "C" in the middle house and hard to see (no pun intended). On Internet Explorer 5.00.etc (it says its a customized version), the graphic appears only once, but the blue words are right on top of the black "C". Netscape is evidently trying to tile the graphic. (Ha! I just thought of that.) You might have better luck with a .jpg format. Also, Netscape might be confused about whether your size indications are intended for the graphic or the cell. You might wish to try playing with the size of the graphic, or see what happens if you leave out the "width="330" height="401" after the graphic file name. You can set the width of your image by sizing your table instead. Set the *width* of the cell above the graphic, instead of (or in addition to) the height. Also, Introduction Index is outside of your table. I don't know whether that's what you meant to do, but that might be why it's floating on the Black C instead of sinking beneath it. If you want your links perfectly aligned inside your graphic, you should probably incorporate the words into the graphic and create the links using an image map. There's a simple example of an image map here: Carey I did it when I was a beginner at both html and graphics; it's not hard. All your tags seem to be nested properly - very neatly placed on the source page, which makes it easy to see. I'm mystified by this part, near the top of your source code: There's nothing but an empty space where I would expect to see a link. What's it for? Your site is cool. Maybe you can help me out some time when I get stuck! I wrote this before several of the messages that are appearing now, but then mudcat crashed on me when I tried to post it. My fingers are crossed as I hit the "submit message." |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Oct 00 - 06:29 PM Thanks Jeri. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Jim the Bart Date: 26 Oct 00 - 06:30 PM Had no problem loading it. It looks great, too. |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: MiriamKilmer Date: 26 Oct 00 - 06:34 PM Oops. I wrote "I'm mystified by this part, near the top of your source code: " Here I copied the code, but of course it has been interpreted as an empty link. Trying again: < FONT face="Comic Sans MS" > < A href="misc/contents.htm" > < /A > < /FONT > There's nothing but an empty space where I would expect to see a link. What's it for? |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 26 Oct 00 - 06:53 PM Centre, spelt that way outside America; as with theatre, and goitre. |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: GUEST,mousethief (at the library) Date: 26 Oct 00 - 07:01 PM As the English say, "Soun, youur rooum needs to be neatre. I wourk all day, I sweltre in the hout sun, and when I coume houme youur rooum loouks like a tournadou hit it. Wait till youur mothre gets houme!"
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Jeri Date: 26 Oct 00 - 07:12 PM Both zebedee's page and Jon's version look great on MSIE. Maybe someone with Netscape could look at what Jon did and see if works better? |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: MiriamKilmer Date: 26 Oct 00 - 07:58 PM Jon's is good. Here's mine, with the html greatly simplified. You should be able to manipulate the links easily so that they appear exactly where you want them. Note that I put a transparent border on the gif - two pixels each side. clicky
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Jon Freeman Date: 26 Oct 00 - 09:19 PM Nice one Miriam. Jon |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Alice Date: 26 Oct 00 - 10:03 PM A picture is worth a thousand words... THIS click here is how I see your page with Netscape 4.7. Aside from the tiling problem, the blue words are difficult to read over the black type. |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Oct 00 - 10:22 PM Two houses on a friend's computer, an earlier Netscape, 4.03 maybe? ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Jon Freeman Date: 26 Oct 00 - 10:29 PM Well, I said nice one Miriam but I have just tried it in my Netscape browser (4.71) and the links are coming too low - the bottom 2 are in line with the bottom black line. Isn't it ridiculous that these browsers can't display things the same way? As for solutions, although mine works on both of my browsers, I will openly admit that I know little about HTML (give me Pascal any day) and I am lost - mine was a "hack zeb's and see what happens" job. Jon |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Jon Freeman Date: 26 Oct 00 - 11:00 PM Oh and as zeb said any other comments, criticisms welcomed... I think the site is excellent - wish more people would design sites like that, clear and to the point. I have one very very minor complaint though: I find the yellow on yellow text on one page and the pale blue on yellow a little difficult to read. It may just be the contrast settings on my monitor but perhaps you could give them a little more contrast. I have no problems with reading the green on yellow. Jon |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Zebedee Date: 27 Oct 00 - 08:06 AM Thank you everyone, your help has been invaluable to me. MiriamKilmer, i don't want to use an imagemap, as that will preclude people users who use text only browsers, or use 'screen readers.' Your simplified html (single, centered table cell) is a good one. I'll play about with it and hopefully come up with the answer. Jon, Thanks for (as well as your other help), pointing out the problems of contrast with some of the lighter colours, I'll change them. Susan, Similiarly, I'll lighten the photos a bit. All your help is much appreciated. Thank you. Zeb / Ed / whoever
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: SINSULL Date: 27 Oct 00 - 09:00 AM Zebedee< "single, centered table cell" A concession? Or are you trying to confuse me? |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: MudGuard Date: 27 Oct 00 - 10:45 AM For me it looked like this:
btw, the link did not miss the http://, it only missed the //
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 27 Oct 00 - 02:10 PM Looks Good to Me (Exp 5.5) Even better it has a link to a dyslexic website - I have a friend who may find that very useful Thanks Roger |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Catrin Date: 27 Oct 00 - 03:38 PM Microsoft Internet Explorer here Ed. No problem at all. A really interesting site too. Must have been loads of work! Cheers, Catrin |
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: mousethief Date: 27 Oct 00 - 03:52 PM Same computer, monitor, browser as before. Site looks identical to what it did last time I commented.
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: Zebedee Date: 27 Oct 00 - 04:05 PM Mousethief, The site will still look the same, I haven't changed it yet - occasionally I like to go to sleep... MudGuard, Thanks for your detailed report. My best thought now, given the number of discpepancies I've found is to go with an imagemap with additional text links below. Re-reading Dick Gaughan's Rant on Web Design bought the issues back home to me. Catrin, It took about a week, but it was a long week -hence (much to mousethief's possible chagrin) I need some sleep. Zeb ed zee zee...
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Subject: RE: A favour: please look at this webpage From: mousethief Date: 27 Oct 00 - 04:16 PM I'm chagrined! Whatever THAT means.
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