Female folkies are beautiful!

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 07:02 AM

A word of encouragement Matt...someday, you will realize that you no longer bother to talk to GIRLS. Your peers will be WOMEN, and, you will see a hell of a difference. Girls are a pain in the ass, Boys, are a pain in the ass, but, give them time to grow up and they change. There are, of course, exceptions, me for instance, when I was young, I was a crusty igotistical prick. Now I'm over 60, and, I'm still a crusty, egotistical prick. There is a line from a song.."I'm a rambler. I'm a gambler, a long way from home, and the people dont like me, they can leave me alone.."

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 08:15 AM

Mick, thanks for the compliment. It was very timely.
I had a bad experience recently with someone whose behavior made me feel as if any girl would do. It was kind of depressing.

You lifted my spirits, thanks.

Bonnie

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 12:34 PM

Yeah! Female folkies are the best. It was a female folkie, Joan Baez, who got me interested in the first place, way back around 1963. It's mainly female folkies whom I have been inspired by since ('cept for Dylan), and it was female folkies singing Dylan that got me interested in him.

They're generally the best songwriters too, IMO.

Way to go, gals!!!

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Micca
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 12:54 PM

Allan, I totally agree with you!!!
After having had the pleasure of meeting several Mudcat women I had previously only "met" on the threads or through Hearme, and they were all Beautiful.
If you had looked into the bar at the RED Lion during Llanstock you would have seen a very ordinary cross-section of people like you would see anywhere, but if you had stood outside and listened....Ah, then you would have felt differently...the Butterflies emerged from the chrysalis,.... so thanks to( in no particular order) Bron, Noreen, Catrin, Morty, Patrish, Morticia, KingBrilliant,Linda, sian,Liz the Squeak, and any one else I may have missed) 'cos your singing and playing transcended mere physical shape and shone out like a beacon. Thank you all....
Ps singing transforms many mere blokes too.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: GUEST,Anthea Yarborough
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 03:03 PM

I've noticed that, no matter what the subject, there are some people at Mudcat who try to make it all about themselves.

Case in point, this thread that is mostly a tribute to the inner beauty of female folkies, and more particularly, the women of Mudcat.

Yet along comes Kendall whose contribution is to the effect that he's an egotistical prick and them that don't like him can leave him alone.

Yes, Kendall, you are an egotistical prick. If I ever have the opportunity to see you, you can be damn sure that I'll leave you alone.

Anthea

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 03:12 PM

Kendall,
Couldn't love you any other way. Stay as egotistical and self centered as you please. Never change. And share your selfish self with us anytime you please.
Mary

Anthea,
"He's a rambler, he's a gambler.
He's a long way from home
And if you don't like hime
Then leave him alone"

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: GUEST,joe
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 03:27 PM

is that in D?

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 03:55 PM

Interesting that Matts post didnt piss you off, but, mine did! You must be a girl, but, thats ok, some day you will be a woman and maybe your tunnel vision will go away.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 03:58 PM

Anthea, thanks for at least giving your name. We welcome people here pretty much as-is. You included. Right now this thread has become about... you. Funny how easy it is for that to happen, eh? *G*

~Susan

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 04:15 PM

Wish I'd seen this before.

Ahhh women...an amazing gender. Peggy Seeger, Caroline Paton, Kathy Westra, Banjo Bonnie, PJ, Duckboots....oh so many more!

I've always chosen my men friends VERY carefully, but women.....they can do no wrong!

SuckyRick

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 04:18 PM

For what its worth, I have been in love with Joan Baez for almost 40 years. I like her nose. I've also met some lovely lady mudcatters, but if you think I'm going to name them and maybe leave out one or two, think again.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 05:04 PM

Talk about looks. I've been in love with NPR's Terry Gross for a long time. WHAT A VOICE. I've no idea what she looks like, but in my mind's eye------GANGBUSTERS !!!

I can see her on stage with a single spot on her from above and slightly forward in an intimate (the more the better) coffeehouse like the original NO EXIT in Evanston, Illinois on Foster by the "L"---circa 1959. She'd be playing a steel-string Martin New Yorker guitar with finger picks. Yes, both radio and cyberspace are populated by amazing people of the female persuasion.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 05:13 PM

Art, you can go here if ya wanna see Terry Gross. She's got a great show. Does she really play guitar?

----Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 05:20 PM

Rex,

I don't know if she plays guitar or not but she sure did a fine and sensitive interview with Doc Watson a while back.

Art

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Matt_R
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 05:29 PM

Well I was talking about girls here at ECU, not on Mudcat! Oh Lord if they had girls here anything like Mudcat women, I'd be in Heaven! You know kendall, that's one of my favorite lines. I quote it at least once a day.

--M

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Midchuck
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 05:36 PM

Kendall, is there a specific age at which one can refer to onself as "crusty?" Having been an egotistical prick for as long as I can recall, adding "crusty" to it somehow gives it more class, and I'm anxious to be able to do so legitimately.

I'll be 59 tomorrow. Do I have to wait 'till I'm 60?

Peter.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: guinnesschik
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 05:39 PM

Having a "weepy" week, reading this thread is much needed tonic. We had a good gig last night, and I never feel more beautiful than when singing and playing, although fiddling gives me a double chin.

Just thought I'd say "thanks" to all the beautiful folkies (male and female) here on Mudcat for a warm, thought-provoking thread.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 05:42 PM

HEY MIDCHUCK...........I've been readin' your stuff for a good while, and as far as I'm concerned, you're pretty crusty now. No sense in waiting for a birthday....Go for it!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Naemanson
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 05:55 PM

I know you meant well, Lepus, but why try to change Art's vision? We all have our illusions and I, for one, don't need any facts changing mine.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Matt_R
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 06:02 PM

BTW I love you too, Sins! And Sorch...Matty Bumpo says you're a hottie.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Catrin
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 06:15 PM

Happy Birthday Crusty Midchuck!!

<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Catrin

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: kendall
Date: 28 Oct 00 - 10:57 PM

Looks like you can go for it Midchuck. Enjoy, but, be prepared for the few who dont understand. Sinsull, thanks for standing up for me, I'm really quite sensitive and I wound easily. (If you believe that, you will also believe there is going to be a Richard Simmons Jr.) Matt, which line was that?

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 12:38 AM

Sigh of relief. Thought I was going to get the "I can take care of myself" line that I spit at Spaw a while back.
Matt, I can only speak for myself but at 20 I was an impossible, know-it-all bitch. Most of it was a defense mechanism. Life, time, experience, laughter, tears, and people all helped wash away the rough edges and leave a woman. Still a know-it-all bitch but I've learned to hide it better.
Damn! Now I've made this thread all about me. What will Kendall say?

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 12:38 AM

Nie thread guys and I agree about anyone who sings/plays from their heart being beautiful.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 01:48 AM

Naemanson, I wasn't trying to change anything, or to shatter any dreams. Just recommending the 'Fresh Air' website with her picture, if he happened to want to see it. It's an excellent site, too. You can listen to archived shows there, which is swell. (I'm going to look for the Doc Watson interview tomorrow)And it's not like she's some hideous toad who's going to scare Art away from 'Fresh Air,' anyways. I personally like to see what people on the radio look like in real life. Ray Suarez, for instance, looks nothing like I imagined him to look. Same with Terry Gross. If Art doesn't want to know, I'm sure he won't look. ;)

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 02:13 AM

Hey Art!!!....While you're at it, check out the pix of ol' Lepus at Mudcat Resources. Get the 'Fresh Air' first though as you may need it. Hold your breath on the Lepus page.(:<))

luvya Lepus

Spaw

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 07:34 AM

Alan, once again you've proven yourself the gentleman and scholar I know you to be- thanks for the much-needed lift.
I agree with those who say the beauty shines in male and female folkies alike. The way their eyes reflect the soul of the music, the way their fingers caress the instrument, the way their voice strokes my heart- oooh, I'm getting warm all over!

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 03:08 PM

*Sob!* I guess I'll have to go work for NPR! :(

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Boxette
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 03:54 PM

I have to agree, physical appearance only adds to beauty, it can't create it. Certain things for me make people beautiful: passion for life, a true love of music, the ability to see beauty in others, tolerance, happiness, and an inclination to laugh. These, especially the parts about music and laughter, are invariably what makes someone beautiful to me. And if they look good too, all the better.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Naemanson
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 06:36 PM

Sorry, Lepus, I wasn't intending to be critical, only funny.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Oct 00 - 10:15 PM

There was a great old time radio program called, "Pat Novac For Hire"----a show written with such verbal and semantic inventiveness that I still marvel at it today. Pat Novac was a hardboiled guy who was always involved in all sorts of noir happenings.

Once he uttered a line that simply blew me away----and that is exactly what I feel about Terry Gross' vocal capabilities. (see below !)

"She had a voice like a bowl of warm stew."

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: kendall
Date: 30 Oct 00 - 05:11 AM

Sounds more like Guy Noire to me..

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: L R Mole
Date: 30 Oct 00 - 11:04 AM

Muttering to my windshield on the way in this morning I was thinking about what an odd and touching thing it is to play and sing to each other, and to keep the circle open.Probably a very, very old impulse, and very honest.Love and beauty, rhythym and rhyme, no wonder we are where we are, and who we are.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 30 Oct 00 - 11:48 AM

'Spaw, you may get to hear more of my sister Susan's voice soon. She is in final contract negotitations for CD deal. We have been trying the patience of Mr. Fielding over some of the legal matters, Sue has met with Rick's lawyer and things seem to be coming together nicely.

She's pretty excited. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the kind words.

And she ain't bad to look at either.

Steve

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Kim C
Date: 30 Oct 00 - 05:10 PM

I often feel like a geezer and I'm only 33.

I will admit to being somewhat high-maintenance, and it's nice when people say, don't you look pretty! But I gotta tell ya, when someone comes up and says, I was so blessed to hear you today... well, that's the best compliment I could ever get. :)

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 30 Oct 00 - 06:17 PM

Oops, Naemanson. Sorry, hard to tell without obnoxious 'smileys,' eh? ;-) Some times, I'm glad I abuse them, heh.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: RedCelt
Date: 30 Oct 00 - 07:07 PM

How many ways can a guy say I agree with all of the above? Not only in music (though I will admit a profound weakness there...) I've been involved in several organizations where people of all stripes let beauty shine through when they were wrapped up in doing something from the heart, rather than checking their reflection in someone else's eyes.

And Matt_R... if your ECU is like the ECU that I went to, some *mumble* years ago (locked in what seemed to be the cultural wasteland of samll town Oklahoma)... it sounds like the girls there haven't changed much. They were locked into all being individuals together, as they rebelled upon being away from mommy and daddy for the first time. Oh, well.. it's not as if I can't understand the obnoxiousness often required in growing up. note that I only undersatnd this intiutively... (Insert sarcasm here)I'm sure that I was neeever like that!

P.S. I didn't marry my dear lady for her voice.. that came as a bonus. It was only after I had fallen for her that I found out that she was a former operatic soloist with a new and growing interest in celtic and Folk! Lucky me!

Jeff

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Matt_R
Date: 30 Oct 00 - 07:11 PM

You sho' nuff got it right, Jeff. BTW you actually went to East Carolina?! Weirder and weirder! Mario, can I come kiss some girls in your town?

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: RedCelt
Date: 30 Oct 00 - 07:27 PM

Matt..

Right letters.. wrong state. East Central U in Oklahoma.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: GUEST,Kat in Oregon
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 01:57 AM

Hi MoonJen

Your music makes me shine... Kat in Oregon

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: P05139
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 08:12 AM

Thanks! I'm a female folkie and I'm definately NOT beautiful!!! (*BG*)

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 08:52 AM

I bet, FC! You gotta let the guys be the judges o' that!

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Calach
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 09:46 AM

Sorry guys, I have to change the tone of this by saying....visit the photo gallery to see pic of thyme2dream; MY girlfriend, from the good ol' USA ....(hee hee, being a PROUD and glorious scot.... my pics there too, by the way, if you guys want to set up any competition...) calach

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:14 AM

I saw her, Calach! You lucky dawg, you!

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: WyoWoman
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 01:26 PM

Looking at photos of myself over the years, I can see that I've always been pretty. I have hardly ever, ever, ever felt it. I was just about killing myself over feeling fat when I was 17 and weighed 117 lbs. (5'6") and I still periodically beat myself bloody about being 25 lbs. more than that now. I see my daughter and know without question that she is a beautiful woman. I see photos of myself at that age and know, intellectually, that you can barely tell the two apart. But there's an emotional disconnect with that information. I just don't get it.

Until recently, I have never, ever, ever felt confident about anything I've undertaken and always interact with myself as though I'm some kind of machine that just has to be turned up higher in order to produce results. I have always felt, for personal reasons, that I was damaged goods and had to take what I could get regarding the men in my life (this is over, thank you, but it was my history), and have always felt so self-conscious I wished a trap-door could open under me when I have to talk to strangers. I have always countered this by being out-going and funny, or the sexiest little vixen you could want to meet == but the subterfuge only covered up the fact that I mostly have wanted to throw up and/or hide when I have to talk to people, particularly men.

No ONE who knows me would believe this, but, hey. I'm an actress. I'm good. But the lack of self-belief has taken its toll.

I finally have turned a corner with all this, thanks to much, much work on the sources of it, and much healing of old wounds. The truth is, I'm in love with people, and with this beautiful little Earth we get to live on. I'm attracted to good hearts and want to contribute what I can, where I can -- and it's very difficult to do that when you're constantly undermining yourself.

The lone exception to this, all these years, has been when I've been singing. I tried to write a song once with the line, "There's a place in my heart that only stops hurting when I sing. So I sing..." but, I haven't been a songwriter. Still, the sentiment is absolutely true. The rub has been in actually allowing myself to get up and sing, to overcome whatever it is that barricades me from sharing myself in that way and to just stand in the song and deliver. I get by on bravado a lot, but it's only in the past few months, actually, that I've been able to do my music from a place of genuine sharing, not from forcing myself to overcome wanting to throw up or pass out at the thought, not of singing in front of other people because I'm much more at home in front of 200 people than one, but of getting from here inside me, to out there, in front of the crowd, inside the song where I'm comfortable. (This may be turning into a rant, but bear with me. It needs sayin'. )

Once I've launched into a song, there's noplace on earth that feels more like home. I get this experience sometimes with my writing, too, or when holding a child. But actually singing, actually sailing right down the center of a song is as close to heaven as I'm likely to get in this lifetime... I wish I could do it all the time, now that I'm learning how to actually transit from where I am to being IN the song... Transitions are rough.

this ties to the Steve Allen thread, actually. I read a newspaper article this a.m. about him and his wife said he was a semi-introvert -- completely bashful one on one but a complete extrovert in front of a crowd. Fits me to a T.

What I'm doing now that I never could do before is just admit that. Just "come from" being shy and feeling stupid instead of trying to bluff my way through situations and coming off stuck-up or overbearing or arrogant or whatever. I'm stupid, I'm shy, I sing. Deal with it.

(Did any of this make any sense at all?)

ww

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 02:49 PM

Perfect sense, WW. And your happiness when you sing comes through loud and clear.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: P05139
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 03:47 PM

Matt, why do you think there isn't a photo of me in the gallery? It's cos the camera smashed to bits!!

Mind you, my boyfriend thinks I'm beautiful,but then again, he's gotta say that!

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Matt_R
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 03:54 PM

NEWSFLASH FC, ALL women are beautiful!! YOU as well! And believe me, yer boy is NOT saying that because he HAS to, it's because he WANTS to. That's how love works.

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: P05139
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 04:01 PM

Aaaaaah! Thanks Matt!

Subject: RE: Female folkies are beautiful!
From: Naemanson
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 04:47 PM

Firecat, no one gets to critique their own looks. Leave that to us, your friends, to do. You now HAVE to post a picture so we can judge you on your obvious physical merits. Then you have to go to Hearme so we can judge your other merits.

Wyo, are you sure we aren't related?