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Subject: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: momnopp Date: 30 Oct 00 - 10:33 AM Has anyone heard from folks across the pond? NPR this morning had horrific-sounding reports of flooding and misery over there and I just wondered if people are OK or if there's anything we can do to help if they're not. . . Any news? JudyO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 30 Oct 00 - 10:36 AM My journey to work took over an hour instead of 15 minutes as I detoured to avoid fallen trees and flooded lanes (at one stage I drove under a tree that was over the road but still supported by its neighbours. My wife e-mailed me at 12 to say she took 4 hours instead of 30 mins as her main road was blocked! No damage to the garden except an uprooted buddleia and pots rolling about. RtS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: sian, west wales Date: 30 Oct 00 - 10:46 AM West Wales is comparitively quiet. The Tywi river is well over her banks ... but that isn't unusual for this time of year. We had some major gusts of wind in the middle of the night, but my roof seems to be in one piece, or at least it was when I left for work this morning. All in all, I think this area has come off well. The south east coast of England, though, is another story. Serious hurricane weather plus tornados. Tornados! Something tells me we aren't in Kansas any more ... Thanks for thinking of us! Let's hope some others from the south east report back so we can have some peace of mind. sian |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: sian, west wales Date: 30 Oct 00 - 10:49 AM Just had a thought as I hit the send button ... I wonder how Bronwen Llanfair is doing??? That's the one part of Wales that has had some serious water. I've seen Welshpool when it's flooded and it's like an inland sea all the way to Shrewsbury; unbelievable. Hope Llanfair Caereinion is far enough up the Banwy to be above all that! sian |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 30 Oct 00 - 10:53 AM Public transport seems to have ground to a halt, in the southern half of Britain, especially trains, some tube overground sections closed because of trees down. So far only a few casualties I understand: cars hit by trees etc. Quite a lot of colleagues just couldn't get in. Official advice don't travel unless you have to. (But some of us have to earn a living!). Weather dry and less windy now so I'm hoping the roads are clear for the journey home. After the Bognor tornado I gather Selsey had similar problems last night with caravans overturned and roof damage. Cross channel ferries are sheltering in harbour and airports were closed first thing this morning. And now the sports news... RtS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Cobble Date: 30 Oct 00 - 10:57 AM Momnopp Thanks for you concern, we are lucky here in N/England yes the rivers are very full but so far we have no flood warning but the south coast and Wales look very bad.Many places are on Red Flood alert. I'm affraid I posted BIG HUGS for all the affected catters to CarolC's Big Hug thread, early this morning. Mrs. C |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Trevor Date: 30 Oct 00 - 11:36 AM Squelch! Took me two hours this morning instead of 30 minutes. You're right, Sian, Shrewsbury resembles a lake at the mo (4.30pm). I live right on top of the Stiperstones (most remote part of South Shropshire) and the wind all night was much worse than the '87 storm. At 7.30 this morning it was snowing - horizontal, a real blizzard. I've got a choir practice tonight and my favourite pub for supper has a couple of feet of the Severn in the bar. Radio Shropshire is on while I'm writing this and they reckon there is more weather on the way and the severn won't peak for another 24 hours. Good job the clocks went back this weekend - I'd probably be frightened if I could see it! Thanks for the cuddles - hope nobody got wet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Catrin Date: 30 Oct 00 - 11:43 AM Not too bad in Manchester - although it was snowing this morning in the higher parts (in October!). Wet and windy, that's all. Not the same for our friends in the south - they have definitely got it bad. I've got to travel to London tomorrow so am allowing three times the usual for travel time!) My thoughts are with Bron too. Cheers, Catrin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Bagpuss Date: 30 Oct 00 - 12:16 PM I left the house this morning just as the flood warning sirens were going off! There were no trains getting through to manchester, so I have had a day off :-) We had horizontal snow this morning, and the river is so high, it has come over onto the footpaths alongside it, but not up to the street level yet, thank the lord! Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: DougR Date: 30 Oct 00 - 12:24 PM Sorry for your troubles, Mudcatters, wish I could send you some dry Arizona weather! Button down the hatches. We're thinking of you and hope all of you stay out of harms way. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Trevor Date: 30 Oct 00 - 12:26 PM Just heard on the radio that Shrewsbury Abbey is flooded again. Last time it happened, a couple of years ago, a friend of mine kayaked up the aisle! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Morticia Date: 30 Oct 00 - 12:42 PM Well, all my fence panels are down on one side, luckily they avoided hitting next doors windows.Took an hour and a half to do a ten minute journey into work to find the office roof had leaked, all over printers, computers etc.Intermittent power cuts all day.The local area was then up for a flood warning and we could watch the river, that we usually can't see from our windows flow past, spent the day checking on our elderly and vulnerable and moving out those we could since we are forecast more rain tonight. On top of all that, one of my families had their house burn down and the claims company were so busy no-one could do anything for them. Someone pour me a drink. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: John J Date: 30 Oct 00 - 12:56 PM And they say Manchester is 'Rainy City'! It's certainly not brilliant. I cycled 3.5m to work this morning @ 07.30. twas v windy with horizontal white fluffy stuff. The 15-20 minute journey took, well, 15-20 minutes!I'm just glad I don't use the car much, it takes at least double that on a good day.Traffic on A56 in Sale, south Manchester was fairly heavy first thing but it calmed down by 10.30. Keep smiling everyone, lets hope this foul weather stops soon and there are no more accidents / damage. John (in Altrincham) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: SINSULL Date: 30 Oct 00 - 01:09 PM Take care, guys. Power lines, wet computers, falling trees - miss work if you have to. It's not worth your life. Wishing you a warm, dry night. Mary |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 30 Oct 00 - 01:17 PM Sending you warm and dry thoughts. We had snow too, but nothing like your floods and tornados! Floods in Shrewsbury Abbey, forsooth! What will Brother Cadfael do? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Trevor Date: 30 Oct 00 - 01:23 PM Pull up his frock and paddle probably. I never heard him say 'forsooth'. Wasn't that another programme on the telly, a saga or something. I was nobbut a lad at the time. Are your feet wet Bron? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: wildlone Date: 30 Oct 00 - 01:33 PM Left to go to work at 4:15am as usual got in at 4:57,It normally takes 15 mins cross wind was so strong I had to stop the bike before I was blown of the road. Floods in Yeovil plus trees down at one point rode through a flood so deep it came up under my waterproof trouser legs and into my boots, the police were sat in their nice warm car down the road from this flood and later at work I was told that the cover of a storm drain had been forced off and that a car had ended up with one wheel down the hole, lucky for me that I had not done the same or I would have ended up learning to body surf. At least BMW's are built to last |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 00 - 02:46 PM Blew the bird-box off my shed, but otherwise no problem. A few floods on the road. All over the country people have been phoning in to work and saying there's tree blocking the road outside my house, so I'll not be in to work today...On the other hand my enthusiastic son took 2 1/2 hours on a drive to work that should have been 40 minutes.
They say the railway service was totally disrupted, but noone could tell the difference.
Blow blow thou winter wind |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Oct 00 - 03:02 PM Thinking of all of you.........keep in touch. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Llanfair Date: 30 Oct 00 - 04:33 PM Hi, I'm fine!! We've got a streamlet running through the cellar, and no-one can get into Welshpool because the Vyrnwy has burst it's banks. The Banwy is running fast and black and high, but there is no danger of flooding. It's Shrewsbury and the whole Severn flood plain that seems to be worst off. Hope the farmers rescued their sheep. We're used to very wet weather, and can cope with these exceptional storms. It's the people in Kent and points south I feel for. Cheers, Bron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Micca Date: 30 Oct 00 - 05:44 PM well. it has p**ed down for a coupla days here in London and points south( about a months rain in 48 hours) and the Underground and Express to Heathrowwere suspended and Peg set off to get a bus for her early afternoon flight, she hasn't come back so we are assuming she got there, tomorrow Linda does the same trick but leaving at 5.30 am. The Port of Dover was closed to ferries for about 14 hours and some poor beggers were stuck on bouncing ferry boats for 18 hours waiting to enter harbour..so we are Ok put thanks for your kind thoughts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Bill D Date: 30 Oct 00 - 05:44 PM ......sending MORE dry, warm thoughts from east coast USA...glad to hear the reports that most of our Mudcat friends seem to be doing ok.... ..."well, it's only up to here on the ducks" old joke.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Greyeyes Date: 30 Oct 00 - 05:49 PM I drove from Salisbury to Plymouth Sunday PM and tho' wet and windy I missed the worst of it. This morning the outer front door of my block of flats was smashed to kindling. Needless to say I slept through it all. Plymouth generally is okay apart from the public transport system collapsing completely. Fortunately I live 10 minutes walk from work. In this part of the country the effects don't seem as bad as the hurricane of '87, but I was living in Kent then which was really badly hit, and I suspect has been again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Bearheart Date: 30 Oct 00 - 05:51 PM Very sorry to hear all of this, had no clue. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you. May it be over soon. Need to get on the regular email and check on my friend Chris in Glastonbury-- and his family in Kent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Quincy Date: 30 Oct 00 - 06:08 PM All your concern is greatly appreciated.....I'm down here near sunny(???) Southampton next to the New Forest and like Morticia it was the fence panels. They didn't fall down in one piece...they broke up like driftwood! The plum tree is at a very funny angle and the wind is building up out there again now (11pm). Lots of localised flooding, trees down, no trains running....etc. Could be far worse......the poor people in the mobile homes in Selsey, their homes just flipped over! Just sitting here now imagining all that US sun!! best wishes and thanks, Yvonne |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: sophocleese Date: 30 Oct 00 - 06:16 PM From sunny Ontario I'm thinking about you and relatives all. Hope tonight is better for you. Sophy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: katlaughing Date: 30 Oct 00 - 06:30 PM Sending more dry and sunny thoughts your way, all of you. Micca, are the planes actually flying out, now? I'm especially thinking of Peg, and then Linda, when they each fly back to the States. Good to hear from so many of you that you are relatively okay. Mortee, so sorry to hear about your families and others, must've been a very tough day. luvyakat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Morticia Date: 30 Oct 00 - 06:34 PM Well, the bad news is there is more rain forecast for tonight and further storms by the end of the week...I'm thinking of building an ark in the garden.Now lemme see, two cats, two tins of beans, two guitars, 473 cd's and the rest of the space for books......what have I forgotten? Ooops, and..... erm, one husband..... ( sorry,dear). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 00 - 08:08 PM It looks like dreaded Millennium Dome was built a lot better than some people reckoned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: GUEST,Lyle Date: 30 Oct 00 - 10:48 PM How long do you think these storms will last? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: paddymac Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:02 AM Chatted with a friend in Sligo on Sunday and they were having the same sort of weather, but no reports of flooding. Here in north Florida, there's nary a cloud in the sky, but we're about 17" below norm on rainfall for the year, and nearly 4' over the past three years. Be glad to trade some sun for some rain. Best thing to do in such nasty weather as southern England is beset with is to snuggle up close with another being, and sip a bit of hot chocolate with sloe gin mixed in (tastes like chocolate cherries). Hope things get better soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Thyme2dream Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:43 AM Wishing you all Warm, DRY and safe...oh, and send those tornadoes back to Kansas, we know how to deal with them!(aye, right!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: katlaughing Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:48 AM We're suppposed to have a "winter storm" come in, tomorrow....that usually means several inches of snow, wind, and cold temps. I'd take rain, even lots of it, over that, BUT I still send good wishes for you all to be safe and dried out, soon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Gervase Date: 31 Oct 00 - 04:46 AM The water's only just receding from the fence at the bottom of the garden up in Herts after the river Ash took leave of its banks and went for a walk around the countryside - the closest it's ever been to the house. My son heroically waded through thigh-high water carrying his sister on his back so she could get up the hill to get the school bus (Was she grateful? Was she buggery: Women!), the postman was swept away in the ford and had to be taken to hospital with hypothermia after his van got wedged under a bridge (pillock!), the neighbours nearer the river have three feet of water on their ground floor (they're used to it by now)...ah, ain't life grand. Meanwhile, in central London yesterday it was actually rather lovely. Hyde Park was closed to traffic because of debris, and the result was a blissful walk to work untroubled by the infernal combustion engine. Today, after the deluge, is another matter. London is back to its snarling, inefficient self, with trains, tubes and buses few and far between and all of them full to third-world standards and everyone obviously far from gruntled. (which reminds me; I want to sit on the roof of a double-decker with a basket of chickens. I've seen it in the documentaries, and I think it would lend an authentic atmosphere of desperation to London's transport system. C'mon Ken - it's got to be worth a try to wring more money out of the Government...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: CarolC Date: 31 Oct 00 - 04:55 AM Just now saw this thread for the first time. I hope all of you are ok, and that the weather conditions are improving. I dedicate my whole "Hug" thread to everyone who is experiencing bad weather or house fires. (Or any other bad things.) Anyone know how Jon Freeman is doing? I don't see him anywhere on this thread. Please let us know how things are progressing when you get the chance amidst the chaos. Good luck, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Trevor Date: 31 Oct 00 - 06:30 AM Water's still rising here in Shrewsbury - the forecast is that it's going to be 5 metres above normal by 3.00pm today. Found my caravan on its roof, and squashed, last night. Can anybody use a 15 feet by 6 inches plank with wheels? It actually looks beautiful today,the sun's shining, the leaves that are left are beautiful colours and from the hills where I live South Shropshire looks like the lake district. (For those across the BIG water, have a look on the map about a third of the way down the Welsh border and then right a bit for me and left a bit for Bron and Llanstock, aka Llanfair Caereinion) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 31 Oct 00 - 06:52 AM Well, Trev, I know Cadfael never said forsooth- that was mw speaking- but even so, I wish you well and high and dry very soon. It's a scary thing when Mother Nature unleashes her worst and there's nothing you can do but huddle together and wait it out. My driest, warmest thoughts are with all of you waiting out the wet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: alison Date: 31 Oct 00 - 07:11 AM Sending you more heat, dryness, and hugs from Oz.... saw the UK on todays news.. it looked bad.... all of you take care.... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Peg Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:07 AM I got back to Boston okay, thanks for asking. My 3:40 pm flight out of Heathrow was not cancelled, but of course since so many earlier ones were delayed or cancelled outright, the airport was a madhouse. The bus I took to get there (virtually the only public transport from Central London to the airport that was still opeartional), which was supposed to leave every half hour, was very late. A group of people stood in the rain for nearly an hour and a half waiting. Traffic was at a crawl. But somehow we got there eventually. Queues at the airport were insane, people were jumping the line and acting like they were entitled to do so. Short tempers all round. Our plane left about an hour late due not to weather but to a security problem (someone left a rucksack unattended on the plane), but aside from mild turbulence, some unruly passengers who wouldn't stay in their assigned seats, and a truly ghastly custard dessert at lunch, all was well. Hope not too many homes or old trees were destroyed...this was a very serious storm. It even made the Boston local news station! I was amazed to hear how much snow there had been! Take care all and my prayers are with those who suffered any loss of livelihood or property. peg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:18 AM Spent a jolly morning yesterday sawing up fallen ash trees, having given up trying to get into London. The Thames is very high but fortunately I'm up a bit of a bank. Several trees down locally but the Big Cedar opposite the house hung on yet again. Thanks to our fellow m'catters for the WARM wishes :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Fortunato Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:23 AM I'll zip up some of our weather and send it over Micca, Gervase et al. We had 2/100s of an inch of rain in October here in DC. Warmer and sunnier than usual. Turning colder now, however, had frost on the Jack o'Lantern last night. It's Halloween tonight. I shall be "The Rockabilly Zombie" and attempt to give the little trick or treaters nightmares. I hope you are all well. cheers, Chance |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: momnopp Date: 31 Oct 00 - 10:30 AM Well, I must say that the attitudes I see in most of these posts are most encouraging. I get a sense of "yeah, it was miserable, but we're doing OK and it will soon pass." I don't know if Americans (or maybe it's just non-Mudcatters?) could keep up such overall good spirits in the face of adversity. Glad so many of you have checked in and are "weathering" the storm. My warmest, driest wishes to you all. And do let us know if anyone has word from Jon Freeman as CarolC points out. Cheers, JudyO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: GUEST,Trevor Date: 31 Oct 00 - 11:26 AM Thanks for all the good wishes - it won't take us long to dry out with all the warmth that seems to be coming our way. revor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Trevor Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:34 PM Even my cookie is wet! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Morticia Date: 31 Oct 00 - 12:40 PM sorry about your caravan, Trevor, perhaps you could sell it on to reallylittle people? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: GUEST,Kernow Jon Date: 31 Oct 00 - 03:46 PM Thanks all for the good wishes and the warmth. I'm right down here on the Lizard (the most southerly point of the country) and we're getting another smacking as I type. Thankfully the fishermen are ashore and the boats well pulled up. Keep your prayers and thoughts going for the Lifeboat and Coastgaurd folks around our shores in this weather. Thanks again KJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Oct 00 - 04:41 PM "It's a scary thing when Mother Nature unleashes her worst" - said Animaterra up there. There's optimism for you...I think we "ain't seen nothin yet".
Not that it's all Mother Nature on her own - the way we've been acting lately has a bit to do with it. Let's just hope that the message about stopping burning fossil fuel gets across this time. Though, even if everyone in the British Isles stopped burning any fossil fuel, and all the cars ground to a halt, it'd only make a fractional difference. The only single country where it would make a significant difference if that happened would be the United States, and it'll have to get a whole lot worse before that happens. Which it will of course, but formthe rest of the world first I suppose.
In fact in England most people really rather enjoy a bit of a disaster. Out comes the legend/memory of the Dunkirk spirit to be dusted off and passed around. A couple of weeks ago in another flood in the same series, the TV camera were wandering round, and this women was showing them over her wrecked house - listing and showing the damage - then she opened a cupboard and found all her pasta jars were filled with water, and she dissolved in...giggles. As the saying goes, "If you didn't laugh you'd cry" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Morticia Date: 31 Oct 00 - 05:21 PM Just saw the news tonight, huge areas of the country are under water, with more forecast for tonight and the next three days......now, where did I put my wellies and does anyone know how to make a Renault Clio amphibious? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Jon Freeman Date: 31 Oct 00 - 06:20 PM Carol, I am fine, thanks for asking. Llandudno is cold, wet, windy and miserable but we have been lucky and have escaped most of the storms. Thinking of those in other parts of the country that have been hit hard, Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: kendall Date: 31 Oct 00 - 07:04 PM You folks in the islands are in my thoughts, hope you come out ok.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Oct 00 - 07:36 PM There's a song of Áine's I sing in which an old man gets his house blown away - happens in Texas. But now, when I sing it in Waltham Abbey when the floods there have subsided, they won't think it's over the top. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Peg Date: 01 Nov 00 - 11:03 AM Jon; glad you are well; having seen how Llandudno gets even in balmy July, I was worried the storm hit you extra hard near the northern coast of Wales... peg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Gervase Date: 01 Nov 00 - 11:24 AM The poor bloody postman I mentioned earlier was damned lucky - one of the local firemen had to hold his head above the water for more than an hour until he could be cut free, and he's still recovering in hospital. He's still a berk, though, for ignoring the tractor that was parked across the ford to stop people using it, and ignoring the fact that the water was raging across it 3 feet deep. My daughter's disgruntled, too, because the mail got soaked and some CDs and books she'd ordered were among them! Honestly, she's the milkmaid of human kindness... And now we're told that another three days of rain are on the way. Ho hum, even the Dunkirk spirit can get a little damp at times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Patrish(inactive) Date: 01 Nov 00 - 11:31 AM Just heard the weather report on the radio, it seems as if Yorkshire is starting to flood. They mentioned areas of the M62 and Keighley, Ilkley and Skipton. I drove past the river calder this morning and it looked quite ominous, almost as if it were boiling over. I hope it subsides, I hate the thought of flooding for anyone and if I am honest I want to go the Jug tonight. You know the daft thing is there will probably be a hose pipe ban in the summer Patrish |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Barbara Date: 01 Nov 00 - 11:42 AM Trevor, perhaps you could market your caravan as a multiperson skateboard? Or weather continuing, (god forbid) an amphibious surfboard? Curnow -- I mean Kernow -- Jon, glad to hear you and yours are surviving OK. I was wondering, but not wanting to fill up your possibly nonfunctional inbox with queries. Hope you all stay warm and dry out soon. Blessings, Barbara |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: sian, west wales Date: 01 Nov 00 - 11:53 AM Morticia, re: Clio-s ... At the end of my street is what is left of Goose Lane, the place where they used to drive geese through tar, then sand, to shod them before driving them to London to market (gee - gotta be a few hundred miles, that.) Not sure if we could update the technique ... once we got the tar and sand set up, maybe I could *do* the dog and the Toyota. sian not exactly dry in West Wales, but counting my blessings |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Steve Parkes Date: 01 Nov 00 - 12:01 PM Well, I'm counting my blessings. I've had some fence panels blown out (again -- I expect it at this time of year now), no tiles off the roof this time. Only took another 45 mins on top of the usual 100 to get the 74 miles to Milton Keynes, dodging trees & road-sized puddles, but I started at 6.30 a.m.. Sue (Mrs P) drove to Fittleworth in W Sussex, which is not a happy place to be, but she's in a dry-ish part of the village. Daughter Beckie was stranded in Rugeley, Staffs, with no trains, just her boyfriend ... I expect they'll keep themselves warm! Thanks for all the good wishes. Bron, if I call my in-laws in Birmingham and ask them to get everyone to turn on their taps, do you think the Vyrnwy would drop enough to dry you out? Steve |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Lanfranc Date: 01 Nov 00 - 12:32 PM No real problems chez Lanfranc, except that getting to and from work is an interesting exercise. Drove the Subaru up to London on Monday (with a full load of people and computers, lest Kevin accuse me of climatic vandalism). Going in was reasonable, but coming home the River Roding, normally a puny little trickle, was busy bursting its banks and flooding places like Ilford, which don't normally suffer much from flooding. Could the Thames barrier have anything to do with unexpected flooding in both Essex and Kent? Now, what were the dimensions of the Ark? That bit of birdseye maple might come in useful after all. Glad no Mudcatter seems to be suffering unduly, and very sorry for the poor sods that are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: SINSULL Date: 01 Nov 00 - 01:18 PM Gervase, You have me laughing out loud in my office! Your daughter is right - "Neither rain, nor sleet nor gloom of night keeps the mailman from his appointed rounds." Certainly, stupidity shouldn't. Honest, I would be more sympathetic if he had died. Jon, I am glad you're safe. Stay dry and warm One of my "boarders" is in London right now. No word from him. Thinking warm, dry thoughts. Mary |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Llanfair Date: 01 Nov 00 - 07:30 PM Good thinking, Steve, then all the water would go to......er....somewhere else!! Shrewsbury is having the worst floods since 1947. Now, wasn't that the year of the big winter freeze, when the snow didn't thaw till April? Hmmmm, I wonder where I could get a sledge and some huskies? Cheers, Bron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: alison Date: 01 Nov 00 - 08:35 PM Is Ireland getting it too?.... I've only seen England on the news here......... Yorkshire looked awful last night... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: The Shambles Date: 02 Nov 00 - 01:48 AM It is raining heavily this morning and the TV is saying that most rivers are already at full capacity now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: GUEST,Kernow Jon Date: 02 Nov 00 - 03:41 AM Alison I'm not sure about Ireland (will try and find out) but a friend of mine in the village who's from Clare says they pray for weather as good as this on the West Coast of Ireland :-) KJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Patrish(inactive) Date: 02 Nov 00 - 03:42 AM The forecast for Yorkshire looks bad, just about every river in the region is on flood alert. Its not raining at the moment, but this afternoon over an inch of rain is expected. Last night Eric the Viking gave me a lift to the Jug, as we went over the river next to the Jug, it was inches from the bridge, thought we might get marooned there and have to stay there for week. We didn't, or I wouldn't be writing this. But if that river rises anymore, I can't see how the Jug can avoid being flooded. Patrish |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Quincy Date: 02 Nov 00 - 05:55 AM Alison, The family in Belfast are ringing here to see if I'm ok rather than the other way around when I watch the news!! Wet and windy... a bit more than usual but they're used to it! Sure isn't that why it's so green?! Might emmigrate meself....have you got a spare bed??? best wishes, Yvonne |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: SINSULL Date: 02 Nov 00 - 09:13 AM More bad weather in the picture. And evacuations. Be careful, all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: katlaughing Date: 02 Nov 00 - 10:06 AM Anyone seen Noah? Seriously, please be careful and keep your knickers dry. Everything can be replaced but you, so don't take any chances, eh? luvyakat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Mrs.Duck Date: 02 Nov 00 - 04:42 PM Our playground at school was 4" under water in Barnsley today and we aren't even on the river. We didn't go to the Jug last night because the twins are ill but qa friend told us the water was very high so we were reluctant anyway especially since the last time we drove the Renault Espace through a puddle the engine blew up!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Greyeyes Date: 02 Nov 00 - 05:50 PM My sister who lives a few mile from Upton-Upon-Severn tells me the town has been renamed Upton-Under-Severn, tho' this is virtually an annual event in that part of the world. Their home is thankfully still dry at present. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: nutty Date: 02 Nov 00 - 06:06 PM It's chucking it down ( as we say in Yorkshire ) again - with a lot more rain forecast. I'm not affected but the poor people living further south , near York - are going to suffer. I hope there are no Mudcatters among them |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Cobble Date: 02 Nov 00 - 06:20 PM Mrs Duck, Hope you are safe. We did'nt go to the Jug either. We are only 100yds from the Ouse and it was on red alert last night. Thankfully we are still warm and dry.How is your neck now? On the mend I hope. Margaret. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: bill\sables Date: 02 Nov 00 - 06:38 PM As I left the Jug last night it seemed like I was driving along a causeway with vast lakes on either side of the road I have heard today that the A19 (The road between the M62 and the Jug) has been breached and is closed off. Mouldy might be able to give more info on this stretch of waterway as she lives nearest to it. Where I live in Rawcliffe the River Aire is about 30 feet from my house, it has risen to about one foot from the top of the flood prevention wall but so far has not come over the top. The flood plane on the oposite side has a six inch lower bank so it should all go that way but that area is already flooded. My Daughter lives in Cawood and their flood plane is overflowing onto the village side as we speak. She, along with my new grandaughter, have been put on alert and are expecting evacuation. I was across there earlier today and brought photos, birth certs etc. home with me. She lives in a single storey house. I see Cobble is still dry so Graham Pirt should also be OK. If the bloddy rain stops we should be OK Cheers Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: alison Date: 02 Nov 00 - 08:06 PM thanks for the ifo Quincy... yep I've got spare beds and heaps of floor.... everyone come over to dry out....
slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Nov 00 - 09:38 PM I'm just waiting to see how these petrol blockading lorries cope with the floods...poetic justice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Noreen Date: 02 Nov 00 - 11:30 PM For all you who are 'determined but moist'...THREE HA'PENCE A FOOT Noreen in a wet, miserable but unflooded Bury(You know, where black puddings is made!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Escamillo Date: 02 Nov 00 - 11:45 PM Wishing you all a fast recovery from damages - Un abrazo - Andrés (from the other side of the world which is not flooded but permanently wet too) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Llanfair Date: 03 Nov 00 - 05:05 AM Noreen, I haven't thought about that one for years, thanks for the reminder! The sun is shining in Llanfair Caereinion this morning, but I'm hoping that the wet will discourage the people with fireworks this weekend, then I won't have to spend the whole time with a large dog shivering on my lap. Cheers, Bron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: sian, west wales Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:12 AM Noreen, loved the Stan Holloway piece! Another piece somewhat relevant - by GK Chesteron:
As old Father Noah said to his wife I heard this morning that some pipes in Barmouth have burst and the people there are without water. How the newscaster kept a straight face I'll never know.
sian, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Mrs.Duck Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:02 PM The field behind the Jug is under several inches of water and bonfires are being postponed. I heard on the news that Cawood was now flooded so I guess that means you've got house guests Bill! They say the water is still rising despite the drier weather today but more rain on the way on Sunday! We are safe here in Pontefract but are thinking of any 'catters out there who are flood ridden. Just be on your guard when the old guy down the road starts inviting zoo animals round to stay!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Eric the Viking Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:19 PM Well, Bill I hope you are OK and that Sid and Val at the Jug are OK. I have to drive along that stretch on Saturday because Dawn's mum is coming back from Spain to try and save her house in Selby (about 100 yards from the river) Hope we make it!! See you in a couple of weeks. Hope everyone who is suffering from this deluge is safe and well. Cheers. Eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Barbara Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:30 PM Here's another for all you soggy folks: THE MONTHS. (Though, according to this one, you're really still in October). Blessings, Barbara |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Linda Kelly Date: 03 Nov 00 - 05:28 PM On the news tonight it is looking very grave for YOrk where the flood barriers are in danger of breaching early tomorrow morning .This may result in 3000 homes being evacuated. Hull Beverley etc don't seem too badly affected as the flood defences are holding, but more of the same horrendous weather is forecast for Sunday. best keep your fireworks somewhere dry! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: bill\sables Date: 03 Nov 00 - 05:30 PM My Feet are still dry but Gowdall (next village to Mouldy)has sunk. I hope Mouldy is OK |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Cobble Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:30 PM Bill Pleased to hear you are still Dry, how are you Mouldy? Goole is OK so far Brian keeps going onto the Ouse river bank, the water is moving very fast but its still well within the banks, high tide is in a few hours from now, we can only wait and at the moment count our blessings. Just seen York on the TV it looks like Venice. Many people being evacuated. Can you belive, the police are having to ask folks NOT to go there to sight see!!! They are now evacuating parts of Selby! Thoughts are with all these people. Mrs. Cobble
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: poet Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:55 PM Trevor I saw a Picture in the Paper of what looked like the English Bridge in Shrewsbury at the bottom of the cop (is it). Its been many years my Uncle Ken used to live on the river front there. (I'm an Edwards on my mothers side) the Severn has always been a muddy river it will take months to clear the silt. Here in Guernsey we are wet and a little flooded the wind is the worst of it but that is trivial compared to our Northen cousins. Graham Hyett(Guernsey) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Noreen Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:59 PM On the national news today was a report of the Whitby lifeboat sailing inland up the River Esk to rescue people in Ruswarp! Noreen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: katlaughing Date: 03 Nov 00 - 07:24 PM Anyone heard from Tig or Badger or Magician? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: CarolC Date: 03 Nov 00 - 07:39 PM Does anyone know how Skipjack is doing over in North Lincolnshire? I haven't heard from him in a couple of days and I know he does a lot of driving around, presumably through some of the areas that are in bad shape. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Greyeyes Date: 04 Nov 00 - 12:12 PM It's not just the silt from the river water, many drains have backed up and people have raw sewage flowing through their homes. Someone suggested on the radio this morning that now that Steve Redgrave has retired from competitive rowing he should be employed as a fourth rescue service, sculling round people's homes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Jon Freeman Date: 04 Nov 00 - 12:23 PM Greyeyes, we have no river in Llandudno but the town got hit by a freak downpour several years ago and the drainage system failed to cope. I was living on a hill above the town at the time but I know the mess that was created. These people have my sympathy. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Greyeyes Date: 04 Nov 00 - 01:06 PM One of the main purposes of sandbagging properties is not to keep the water out, which is impossible, but to stop solid matter getting in, a fairly repulsive thought, but necessary. A man was interviewed on local TV (westcountry) a couple of nights ago, his three properties had flooded for the second time this year. He has a £5000 excess on his insurance so will have to pay out £15,000 of his own money before the insurance coughs up a penny. He gestured to what looked like a great lake behind him "I've got this", he said, "and it's coming in, what can I do, what can I do?" The poor man was choking back tears as he spoke, your heart had to go out to him, and all the others suffering in the same way. Thankfully there's been little or no reported loss of life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: bill\sables Date: 04 Nov 00 - 06:08 PM The Government has pledged £51 million to improve flood defences. Not a lot when you think of £90million for the bloddy Dome and £900 million for the railways. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Greyeyes Date: 04 Nov 00 - 06:59 PM And however much they're spending researching penguins falling over in the South Atlantic. (See another thread) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: CarolC Date: 05 Nov 00 - 04:01 AM Is everybody ok over there? Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Llanfair Date: 05 Nov 00 - 04:39 AM There are more storms forecast, starting tonight here. The water that has flooded Shrewsbury, Ironbridge, and now Gloucester has come from the Welsh hills and, although it doesn't affect us much, we are very aware of the consequences of a full river for other people. Bron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: CarolC Date: 05 Nov 00 - 04:46 AM Are people being evacuated? Is there anything we can do over here? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Greyeyes Date: 05 Nov 00 - 05:24 AM The weather is closing in again. It's teeming down in the westcountry. Batten down the hatches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: bill\sables Date: 05 Nov 00 - 06:15 AM We are still about a foot below the top of the defences in Rawcliffe on the Aire but if it comes over I live about 20 yards from the river. My Daughter in Cawood on the Ouse has been on evacuation standby since Thursday but the army are building sandbag walls on top of the flood barriers so the water has not breached them yet. Cawood bridge is underwater and has been since Thursday The river which is about 20 yards wide stretches for as far as you can see. In Selby (Home of mudcatter Selby)on the Ouse they were evacuated on friday night. Most of the roads around are underwater but there are ways if you take detours. The main A19 around the Jug is closed. The village of Gowdall which lies between me and Mouldy has been evacuated. Mouldy has not posted so I hope she is OK She might have had to store her computer upstairs but I don't know. I have heard no news from Tig and Badger but they live further south near Doncaster where there has not been much flooding. I will let you all know of any further developments Cheers Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: CarolC Date: 05 Nov 00 - 06:23 AM Bill, have you heard anything from Skipjack? Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 05 Nov 00 - 06:27 AM Greyes, hard to feel sorry for anyone who has three properties,but I'll try. Alison, it's been raining most of the three weeks I've been over here (counties Antrim and Down) - as usual. And as usual, it's like water off a duck's back. No problems anywhere this side of the water, as far as I know. I should think Skipjack's OK in Lincolnshire, and so is my place in Sherwood forest (River Trent flodd valley). Rroblems with the Trent have been higher up in Derbyshire/Staffordshire. For somereason, all that low land on the east side (apart from the vale of York) seems to be escaping relatively lightly. We'll see what today (Sunday) brings. (More rain is forecast.) Does sanyone still doubt that we're fucking the world up for our kids? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: bill\sables Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:00 AM Just phoned Skipjack he is OK on the Humber Mouldy is still OK although around her seems in chaos and Selby who had no electricty all day yesterday is out helping others. I so far have not been able to contact Tig and Badger. Cheers Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:03 AM Hand on, dear friends! I wish I could send some of our dry weather to you! Bill- keep those teabags high and dry!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Greyeyes Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:07 AM Fionn, I'm assuming two of the properties were businesses, and like a lot of small businessmen he is struggling to keep his head above water (no pun intended). Not all property owners are capitalist bully boys. The wind is now getting up as well, the sky solid slate grey and the rain drumming audibly against my window. I have no doubt about your last comment, "where are the keepers, who bled the whole thing dry". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Skipjack K8 Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:10 AM Skipjack Ahoy!!!! Sorry to have neglected answering the Mudcat register for low lying UK Catters. I've had a bitch of a week, travelling mostly, dodging floods. I hit Essex Friday night, and pumped a ton of rainwater out of the Natterjack, that had amassed in 11 days! I drove north late Friday to find the Humber still within it's banks. If the flood plain as far down as me gets it, we are nationally in deep shit. I can't get on to the Cat on my computer at work, and can't get near this box at home for the ankle biters. They've gone out to give the dog a run on the sand at Cleethorpes, and Bill just rang to register your concern, so thanks, Carol. It looks like we're in for another dose tonight, with a deep mother of a low crossing the country slowly, dumping a couple of inches over the next day or so, with snow above 600 feet on the leading edge, and gales on all coasts. The sort of stuff that makes one lay awake nights wondering whether 3/8ths chain is man enough to hold the old girl. I lost Natterjack in the 87 hurricane, she bounced off every trawler in the creek, was dismasted and fished up upside down at the end of Tollesbury creek, so I'm a bit edgy with 30 degree winds (the angle of repose not to be blown over!). Hope Mouldy isn't, not from rising damp, anyway. Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: magician Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:17 AM Bill the reason you couldn't contact Tig & Badger is because they were up here with me until Saturday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: roopoo Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:22 AM Bill's just phoned me to ask if I'm ok, and I am. We have had some water in the village, but it is due to the beck, which runs through part of the village, suffering from back-flow from the flooded fields and dyke into which it normally goes. The crossroads about 100yds down from me was under about 6" on friday morning, and the houses across from the beck (luckily above road level) couldn't easily get out. Up the road from there water was lapping in back gardens and one friend hopes his prize fish went to the bottom of his pond when it got covered. Even if they did, he says they'll be sickly from the mucky water. The local post office said it got within about 10 feet of their buildings. It has receded a bit for the time being, and I hear the A19 is now open. The problem there is that the same dyke which receives our beck crosses the road about halfway between us and Haddlesey. It had burst its banks on Monday. The road is on a low causeway over the flood-plain. I went through early Thursday Morning on my way to Selby, and just there, where the road dips, it was flooded, while the rest of the road had water literally lapping at its edges. It was closed by lunchtime. Selby has been without power due to a sub-station being flooded, but I think it may be back on now. Barlby, just to the other side of Selby has had problems, and there continues to be concern about a large residential area of Selby which is by the river. My sympathies go to the guy in the next village along from me, Gowdall. He has a fishing lake and this was not flooding. (At least on Thursday) But the environment agency the next day in their wisdom decided, so I was told, to deliberately breach the floodbank near him to take the water away from the main village. They omitted to warn him of this, and not only did it flood the road, it also flooded his house and his carp lake with £50k worth of fish. He was featured on the TV news. He has lost everything. To give you an idea of where we are, Bill and I live on the south side of the Aire, south of Selby. The floodbank's literally at the bottom of his road, whereas I am about half a mile away, and my village is on a slight rise. Yet even so, with the beck backing up, we still get some flooding. We may end up as an island! They have evacuated people from villages either side of us who are closer to the river. So we now wait and see what the next couple of days will bring.The water got quite close to the road out of our village which leads to the A19. Selby is on the Ouse. The two rivers converge about 10 miles east from me at Airmyn, but I went by that way on friday, and being a wider channel and tidal, it looked merely like a very high tide. Goole, an inland port nearby, does not seem to flood! My sympathy is with any of you who have suffered. I feel so lucky to be on a bit of a hill! Andrea Andrea |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: selby Date: 05 Nov 00 - 07:33 AM Selby has still got some problems, we on the south side have got power but there ate still people who have had none since friday evening, and we have been out helping get hot drinks to those who have no power and can't get out. The river is expected to be high again at 2pm and we wait with baited breath to see if the pumps can cope !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: selby Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:11 PM It has just rained ALL night and morning we are now awaitnig the water off the hills due to arrive here in the next 36 to 48 hours for the second round of floods. The Army are placing sandbags at potential weak spots. I am told that looting has taken place in some of the houses that have been left empty but this is only gossip not offical Keith |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Greyeyes Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:19 PM It's been sunny all day in this part of the westcountry. Let's hope there isn't more to come. Hard to believe about the looting. Good luck with the next stage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: selby Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:20 PM I dont know how you make this into a blue clicky thing http://www.selbynet.co.uk/flood/alert.html but there are some piccys of the flood. keith Clickified. --JoeClone |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: CamiSu Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:58 PM Just got to read this, but my dry warm thoughts have been with you all week, as I have been hearing reports on the radio. I take it the Northeast is much drier? I haven't heard from Jessica, and trust she made it out to Spain. Keep dry. Heck of a way to start a winter! (They say we are in for a really cold one. To my mind that is FAR preferable to rain... if anyone decides to evacuate to New England, I have room for a few more! Cami Su |
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Subject: RE: BS: Storms in England/Wales 10/30/00 From: Eric the Viking Date: 06 Nov 00 - 03:28 PM Selby. Do you know anything about Elston place? looting, flooding? We were there on Saturday early morning to help out Dawn's mum. If you can get back to me. We may get over there on wednesday. cheers. Eric |