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Tune ADD: Crested Hens

Steven Grahn 20 Jun 97 - 04:47 PM
sgrahn@glenn-co.k12.ca.us 31 Aug 97 - 05:28 PM
Doug Chadwick 28 Jun 03 - 05:30 AM
Sorcha 28 Jun 03 - 10:22 AM
Malcolm Douglas 28 Jun 03 - 11:27 AM
Doug Chadwick 29 Jun 03 - 04:34 AM
Malcolm Douglas 29 Jun 03 - 12:46 PM
open mike 15 Aug 07 - 12:30 PM
Jack Campin 15 Aug 07 - 12:48 PM
open mike 15 Aug 07 - 02:36 PM
GUEST 15 Aug 07 - 02:40 PM
Doug Chadwick 15 Aug 07 - 02:43 PM
GUEST,leeneia 15 Aug 07 - 04:02 PM
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Subject: Crested Hens
From: Steven Grahn
Date: 20 Jun 97 - 04:47 PM

I am looking for music for "Crested Hens" as recorded by Solas.


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Subject: Crested Hens
From: sgrahn@glenn-co.k12.ca.us
Date: 31 Aug 97 - 05:28 PM

Looking for music for "Crested Hens" as recorded by Solas. sgrahn@glenn-co.k12.ca.us


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Subject: RE: Crested Hens
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Jun 03 - 05:30 AM

Crested Hens

A beautiful tune that I first heard played on the fiddle. I like to play it on the mandolin. I am told that it is named after a brand of Irish beer.


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Subject: RE: Crested Hens
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jun 03 - 10:22 AM

Also at JC's Tunefinder in sheet music, MIDI, etc.


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Subject: RE: Crested Hens
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Jun 03 - 11:27 AM

The tune is a bourrée, composed by the French hurdy-gurdy player Gilles Chabenat, who based it on a bit of Debussy. Properly called Les Poules Huppées, of which The Crested Hens is the English translation. Solas play it rather more slowly than its composer intended; it's a dance tune really, not a slow air. It used to be played quite a lot in English sessions (at original speed and usually under its French title); I believe Solas picked it up in a London pub. I didn't realise there were now people out there who think it's an Irish tune.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 29 Jun 03 - 04:34 AM

.... ah! Debussy, the well-known Irish brewer ......

It would seem that you're right. I found several versions of "Les Poules Huppées" although most gave it as "traditional".

I also found a completely different tune called "The Crested Hen" (singular) as a guitar duet. It is used in Danish folk dancing where is called "Den toppede høne" ( = Crested Hen) but has an alternative title of "Bondepigen" ( = Peasant Girl).

I did a search on Irish beer and breweries and came up with nothing!

I like the French tune more than the Danish one although I much prefer it as a slow air as played by Solas.

You wouldn't happen to know which bit of Debussy it was that Gilles Chabenat used, would you? I would like to sound very knowledgeable when I go to next week's session.


Doug C


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 29 Jun 03 - 12:46 PM

I have no idea, I'm afraid, but perhaps someone will come up with it eventually. There were years of rumours before anyone managed to pin down the Mozart piece that was the original of  Michael Turner's Waltz.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: open mike
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:30 PM

So, does anyone have the lyrics and translation of the song
used in Danish folk dancing "Den toppede høne" ( = Crested Hen)
or "Bondepigen" ( = Peasant Girl).


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: Jack Campin
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 12:48 PM

X:1
T:Les Poules Huppées
M:3/8
L:1/16
Q:1/8=180
K:Amin
   D2 DF ED|A4 AB|cB Ad cB|   cB AB AG|
   D2 DF ED|A4 AB|cB Ad Bd|[1 A6    :|\
                           [2 A4    ||
K:Dmin
de|f2 Af ed|B4 de|fd gf ed | ^c2 d2 e2|
   f2 Af ed|B4 de|fd gf e^c| d4    :|


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: open mike
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 02:36 PM

Great! thanks...also should have specified
"Lyrics request...Peasant Girl...Bondepigen"


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 02:40 PM

Are there any words? I could only find it as a dance tune.


DC


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 02:43 PM

I'm not quite sure how I ended up as a GUEST, but that was me.

DC


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 04:02 PM

What a beautiful melody! Thanks for bringing it to me attention.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 11:35 PM

I thought that I had posted what I found about this tune last year, but apparently not...

As Malcolm said, the French dance tune is a bourree (in 3/8 time) composed by Gilles Chabenat and recorded on Danses du Berry (Dances from the Berry) by Les Ecoliers de Saint-Genest (pardon my skipping the accents).

As played on that recording, it's quite brisk.

I've heard it played at a moderate tempo as a fine waltz (by American contra dance musicians who probably got it from Solas).

[After loving the waltz version, even though I was forced to dance it solo at the time, I went through a strange process of finding the tune strikingly familiar and easy to pick up on my concertina, then a month later or so discovering that I had it on the French cd...]

Solas's version is a slow air. Quite a contrast from the original

As quoted at The Sessions, Chabenat said, "I was 15 and couldn't decide on a title, one day we were playing at oxymorons and my friend said "Poulles Huppees" we all laughed it that for a long time, so I decided to name the tune that.... I know it's a dumb title, but we were just dumb kids". (The funny part being that the alternative (less literal) translation is something along the lines of "high-class tarts".)

Also noted on that page: "This tune appears as a Bourrees a trois temps (in 3/8) in Mel Stevens Massif Central Book No. 1."

Aside from not being Irish, it's also been mistakenly attributed as a traditional Breton tune, but it's from central France and in that style.

Regarding the Danish tune, none of the folk dance resources I've run into for The Peasant Girl / Crested Hens include any lyrics.

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: astro
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 12:26 AM

If anyone was worried about Desert Dancer waltzing solo, don't worry, she doesn't waltz alone anymore....


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: clueless don
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:05 AM

I have two recordings of Crested Hens - one by Hammered Dulcimer (and other instruments) player Karen Ashbrook on her LP "Knock on the Door", which is mostly Irish material, and the other the first Solas CD. It is also a staple of a monthly Irish session of Irish fiddle students, held here in Wheaton MD.

It may not have started life as an Irish tune, but it appears to have been solidly adopted by the Irish music community.

Don


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: open mike
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 02:30 PM

oh, my i posted this a moment ago, but it seems to ahve disappeared.
will try agian..i hope this is the best thread to post this to..

I have drec'd the lyrics from a Danish Folkmusic specialist.

still awaiting translation..is there any one here who might do that?

Laenge nok har jeg bondepige vaeret

Mindes jeg kan, i hedenfarne dage
silke jeg sled i min moders rosengård;
rundt om mig svaermed riddersvende strage,
jeg gik med guld og perler i mit hår.
Dronning jeg var,
krone jeg bar
statelig i dansen med konning Valdemar.

Ak, men da måtte jeg onde dage friste;
sorte grev Henrik min husbond fangen tog,
ind over gennembrudt gaerde sig mon liste
vendiske bander, og stedse frem de drog.
Bort man mig smed
i traellestuen ned:
tyske frøken dansed i danekvindens sted.

Ikke til hove stedes mer jeg turde;
naeppe hos bonden man mig undte ro;
härdhed jeg led, og vånde mig jeg gjorde,
når man mig stødte og trådte mig med sko.
Bonden min ven
blev dog igen
graed mig i stilhed mangen aften hen.

Dagene skifte nu, -Gud ske lov, de skifte!
Atter i højelofts-sale tør jeg stå.
Slag vel end vanker af tyske frøken vifte!
stolt hun stritter, vil ej af vegen gå.
Dog, trods al strit
siger jeg frit:
Tyske frøken danses af dansen om lidt!

Laenge nok har jeg bondepige vaeret,
siddet på tearskel og spundet på min ten,
laenge nok har hun, tyske frøken, blaeret
sig på mit højsaede, jeg gnavet ben.
Ne vil jeg glad
sidde hvor jeg sad,
fremmet vil jeg gå i de dansendes rad.

i also got another song sent which i will post next.
Laurel


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: bfdk
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 05:24 PM

Midi and tadpoles for the tune to the lyrics posted by Laurel.

The tune has another set of lyrics of a more tongue-in-cheek nature:

||: Nu har malkepigerne dannet en forening
Nu vil de ikke kaldes malkepiger mere :||
||: Hvad skal vi kalde dem? Hvad skal vi kalde dem?
Kopatte hiv-og-træk-og-slippe assistent :||

~ something like:
Now the milkmaids have formed an association
They won't be called milkmaids anymore
What do we call them, then? What do we call them, then?
Cow tit pull-squeeze-and-release assistants

Btw there's another tune called Crested hen - this one is Crested hen from Thy.

Best wishes,

Bente


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: MartinRyan
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 05:36 PM

The Irish connection?

Check HERE !!
Regards


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: MartinRyan
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 05:54 PM

p.s.

I see that Doug Chadwick almost got there well before me!

Regards


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 02:29 PM

I must thank all those who added to this thread. I've been looking for the music to this song for ages. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: Bearheart
Date: 26 Mar 08 - 03:57 PM

Open Mike:

I don't know the translation, or even if we sang all of these words as kids, But I grew up dancing the Crested Hen at family parties, with my dad playing it on the fiddle. He may still recall the words and what they mean. My grandmother and her mother were our source, though in the town where he grew up (Warren PA) they were still holding monthly Danish dances in 1953 (the year before I was born.)

I will copy what you posted and give them to him to see. He's going to Denmark for the first time, this June, and I know the relatives there will know it. They sang it for us 3 summers ago when their folk dance troupe was touring the States, and they stopped to visit.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: open mike
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 06:40 PM

great! i was born in 1953, but missed those dances, as i was in Nebraska. many of my relatives lived in a town there called Copenhagen.
I am glad that you found this thread, and I hope your dad has a good visit there. I have a 90+ year old great aunt in Denmark, and her son,
and grandsons, too. I hope he can tell them "HEJ" from me...!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens
From: Effsee
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 09:46 PM

"Den toppede høne"...Vin Garbutt used to play a whistle tune of this name back in the '70s.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens (from Solas)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 06:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR7EfW5CeAM

Solas does Crested Hens on YOuTube.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens (from Solas)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 07:01 PM

The tune is by the French hurdy-gurdy player Gilles Chabenat, who called it "Les Poules Huppées". He is fairly keen to maintain his copyright but nonetheless you should be able to find it under that name in several formats around the web.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens (from Solas)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 08 Sep 12 - 07:12 PM

For an earlier thread about this tune:

Click here

Regards


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crested Hens (from Solas)
From: Rozza
Date: 09 Sep 12 - 04:52 AM

X:1
T:Les Poules Hupees (Crested Hens) Chords added
M:3/4
L:1/8
C:Gilles Chabenet
K:D
|:"Em"E3GFE|B4Bc|"D"dcB edc|dcB AGF|!
"Em"E3 GFE|B4Bc|"D"dcB AGA|1"Bm"B3AGF:|2"Bm"B4ef|!
|:"Em"gBB ggB|"Am"=c4ef|"Em"gfa gfe|"B"^d2e2f2|!
"Em"gBB ggB|"Am"=c4ef|"Bm"gfa gfd|1"Em"e4ef:|2"Em"e6|]


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