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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: tradman Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:00 AM All of those Buda CD's are available in MP3 format from Emusic. A month's subscription ($20) is enough time for you to download the entire lot. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Lepus Rex Date: 06 Nov 00 - 10:43 PM Tradman, I didn't know the Chuckchi had any string instruments...Cool. There's a cd of their music (on a cd with Even and Yukaghir music) also on Buda, but I don't have it yet, so I'm not sure if there's any instrumental stuff on it. Buda has out several cds of Siberian music, if you're interested. I am, but I'm a nerd... 8CB~ ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Thomas the Rhymer Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:51 PM Any instrument can become an un-favorite! Just remove the soul of its player, or play it without confidence, or play it while you wish you were somewhere else... All instruments have their time and place, and often it it precisely the time and the place that is irritating/missed. Too much touting and not enough practicing/passion can make a villan out of the most lovely instrument... 'Les Pauls' were the industry standard for many years. I hated them and would not go near them... way too heavy, trademark "Zepplin" sound, clitche ridden. I played an ES150, and I loved it till I was bored with electric guitar... It was the most "acoustic electric" I could find, and the warmth of tone was made famous by Pat Metheny (who played a comparable ES175)... Electric guitar is my most unfavorite instrument now... I consider it the "sell out standard", the hit parade banner.ttr |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Naemanson Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:06 PM Thread Creep! Mousethief, you mentioned Bach's Tocatta and Fugue In D Minor on an organ. Brought this experience to mind. Back in the 70's I had a girlfriend who lived in Connecticut. I was in the Navy and stopped by to visit on my way home for Christmas. She led me up to the church where she played the pipe organ. It was dark and the only light in the place was the light on her music. She played that piece into the empty church and the goosebumps crawled up my spine. When she finished we stood together in the empty church listening to the evening when the bells in the steeple began to ring out a Christmas carol. I could feel her shiver as she stepped close to me and said, "There isn't anyone else here, they shouldn't be ringing!" My goosebumps now had goosbumps of their own. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: GUEST,CraigS Date: 06 Nov 00 - 02:02 PM There's a lot of instruments that only sound good when played well. The easiest instrument to sound bad on is the Sarod, which is to the Sitar as the banjo is to the guitar. Incidentally, I own three banjos, but I never play them in public (Spaw might be around !-) |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: tradman Date: 06 Nov 00 - 01:16 PM Thanks Lepus, The Yakutia album is available on MP3's through Emusic (by far the best internet subscription I've ever made). After listening to the painful fiddle playing, I would guess that it's the player and not the instrument which makes this particular music so unfortunate. One string fiddles (guslas) are played quite beautifully in Bosnia and Montenegro, and I have a friend who assures me that Chukche one-stringed fiddle music is also quite listenable. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Lepus Rex Date: 05 Nov 00 - 02:04 PM Make that "Ilija Mikhaïlovič Neust*R*oev-Yrda Yldaa." ;) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Lepus Rex Date: 05 Nov 00 - 02:02 PM Yup, tradman, people HATE zurnas. (Now that I think about it, I believe Uzbeks call them 'surnai' or something, but it's the same word, really. They've got serunais in Malaysia, Suonas in China, Zurnas in Turkey, shenais in India, etc...) People give me 'I hope you die' type looks when I drive by them blasting that stuff out of my car... Muaha. And kyrympa music... I'd really like to hear more of it, because I'm sure it's not all as bad as some of the stuff I've heard, but the cd I've got is called 'Yakutia: Epics and Improvisations' on Buda Records. Almost forgot: There's also some kyryympa (This cd added an extra 'y') on track 14 of the cd 'Tuva, Among the Spirits---Sound, Music, and Nature in Sakha and Tuva' on Smithsonian/Folkways, where it's not annoying at all. So it must only be the playing of Ilija Mikhaïlovič Neustoev-Yrda Yldaa that hurts me so! Ah, and here's a zurna FAQ with some info, links and pictures, for anyone who wants to know. >:) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: tradman Date: 05 Nov 00 - 01:23 PM Uzbeki zurna... sounds like it would be great to me (-: When I'm playing ethnic music examples for other folks, Macedonian zurna makes more people cringe than ANYTHING else. Haven't heard the 'kyrympa' fiddle yet though. Any recordings? |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Lepus Rex Date: 05 Nov 00 - 12:00 PM There aren't really any instruments I HATE. The only one instrument that I can think of that I really can't listen to in the 'kyrympa' fiddle of the Sakha people, of Siberia. The only solo recordings I've got of it being played make me physically ill. My back starts to hurt, I feel like I'm going to throw up, I get a headache... Very strange. Nothing else bothers me like that. (Maybe it does---Mariah Carrey?) But I LOVE hurdy-gurdies, accordions, bagpipes, shawms of all kinds, AND the sound of Mongolian women singing. Someone here must hate THAT one. I KNOW my roomate does. :) Come over to my place if you hate hurdy-gurdies. I'll have you BEGGING to listen them after FIVE pain-filled minutes listening to zurna-playing Uzbek sadists! Muahahahaha... ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: IvanB Date: 04 Nov 00 - 04:13 PM CarolC, in addition to folk, I also love medieval and renaissance music, so I'm certainly thinking mostly in the context of early music played on those instruments, but I've heard most of them used as backups for folk music at one time or another. And I even had an old album (vinyl) of rock music using, among other instruments, bagpipes and a hurdy-gurdy. And the bombarde probably bears more resemblance to the shawm than it does to any modern instrument.
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: CarolC Date: 04 Nov 00 - 12:56 AM IvanB, ...crumhorns, racketts, theorba, raushchpfeifen...you're singing my song. Are you talking about the instruments you mentioned in the context of playing early music on them, or are people using them now for more recent compositions? Carol |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Mooh Date: 03 Nov 00 - 10:03 PM Actually Matt, I've noticed the practitioners referred to as musicians so that confuses me somewhat. We DID have needle scratches and were conditioned to dislike the noise because it got in the way of the music. As for generational bias, perhaps excessiveness in noise (sorry, sound effects) appreciation is a quality my generation (or at least me) has been spared. IMHO some noise is musical and some isn't. And for the record, if it was true that my generation didn't have something (and since I ain't dead yet it's still my generation), it would not have anything to do with me liking it. Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: richlmo Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:39 PM We had needle-scratches, but it was a BAD thing! |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Matt_R Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:35 PM Yes, I'm serious, Mooh. And you're right, it's NOT a musical instrument. It's a sound effect. Sound effects are good. My generation likes needle-scratches. Your generation didn't have them yet...no wonder you don't like it! |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:27 PM I never cared for the Jews Hasrp either , until I heard Bob Zentz actually play a recognizable tune on one. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: P05139 Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:20 PM I know that this isn't strictly speaking an instrument, but when I was doing my GCSE Music exam, I had to listen to some absolutely TERRIBLE "music" that consisted of some people going, "Awaiwjduwqosdjiwodhocneihfiwohomwghwo" Well at least thats what it sounded like. Apparantly it's African, but it sounded like a cat being strangled mixed with a goat mixed with a sheep in labour!! I'm not joking, that's what it sounded like!! |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: richlmo Date: 03 Nov 00 - 09:01 PM I never quite got the jug in Jug Bands or the "Jews Harp". Just noise and a beat. Just like anything to do with "Rap"! How anyone could consider that music is beyond me. The turntable noise is just that, Noise! |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: IvanB Date: 03 Nov 00 - 08:36 PM I dislike most electronic 'instruments,' mainly because none of them seem to have any 'life' to their sound. Aside from that, psalteries of any ilk, sackbuts, cornetts, shawms, bagpipes, hurdy-gurdies, I love 'em all. Obviously too much of anything can be, well, too much, but the intensely wierd sound that some of these things make just makes them all the more endearing to me. Other than the aforementioned electronic instruments and percussion instruments played inappropriately or poorly, I like just about every instrument that's been named in this thread. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Mooh Date: 03 Nov 00 - 08:09 PM Good grief Matt, are you serious? Man, humans are weird, speaking for myself at least, that we find such disparate tastes in one place such as this. Please don't tell me that Bob Dylan has used your turntable technique. That would be stranger than when he "went electric", though maybe today it wouldn't raise an eyebrow. Peace. Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Matt_R Date: 03 Nov 00 - 07:36 PM To quote Beck "I got 2 turntables and a microphone!" I think that needle scratching is pretty cool. And you wouldn't believe the story of how it was invented! I got some buds who are DJ's, and it's a fun sound. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: kimmers Date: 03 Nov 00 - 07:14 PM My mother-in-law hates church organ music simply because it makes her think of funerals... 'course, she hates gladiolas for the same reason. Most of the time, church organ music is pretty uninspiring. When you've got someone that plays with real skill and chooses music that showcase both his or her skills as well as the strengths of that particular organ, then you can be in for a real treat. When we got married, my husband and I were lucky enough to have a church organist who also played for the Portland Baroque Orchestra (that's Portland, OR). He was magnificent, and the congregation and guests were spellbound. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall) Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:56 PM Anything in the hands of someone who can't play it but doesn't let that stop him. An accordion can be a choir of angels singing in the right hands or it can not. I, of course, play one of the instruments voted easiest to be an @@$h0le with. The bodhran in the wrong hands can be very disruptive. I really thump that into my students to wait till they can play in time at an appropriate level to not play at sessions. Of course there are those who'll never learn! On the other hand, the spoons when played well still suck! Rich |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: GUEST,folkcensor Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:27 PM Mooh and I were talking and he suggested the turntable as used in some contemporary music was the worst thing to happen to music. I didn't even know it was used as an actual instrument. What kinda crap is that, rap? Geez. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 00 - 05:22 PM For those of you who might get the wrong idea, I dont hate everything. For example, I like the Sitar..if Ravi Shankar is playing it. I love the highland pipes, as long as the piper doesn't play Amazing Grace. The pipes have a feel to them, rather than music. I'm somewhat in agreement that they may not qualify as a musical instrument, but, then, I understand that in Europe, the banjo doesnt qualify either. Down in Rockport Maine there was an old curmudgeon who described the bag pipes thus: "They sound like someone gathered up a dog fight and threw it into a pig pen." |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 00 - 05:17 PM Guess I put my foot in it now! Just be sure you know, Duane, that I'm not jumping on people who PLAY the damn thing, just the damn thing!< Naemanson, have you wondered WHY Jennifer gave it to you? |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: wildlone Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:50 PM Matt when I was over in Caerphilly on a re-enactment the other day a Breton group came across from the main ring and performed some dances for us I recognised the Bombarde, yes it was heaven. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Matt_R Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:30 PM bbc's Duane D played his psaltery for me, and it sounded beautiful to me! But have any of you heard Bombarde & Biniou duos from Brittany? Horrible ear-piercing to some, pure heaven to me. Ton Bale!! |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:28 PM Well, "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" sounds so much better on an organ (played by someone like E. Power Biggs) than it ever did in that smarmy orchestral version that Disney did. When I was going to Seattle First Baptist, the organist would always do a classical piece as a recital after the church had time to empty after the service. A sizeable crowd always hung around to listen. It was a treat. How funny how few have mentioned bagpipes. Let me be one of the first to say that the hurdygurdy is very hard to take for long periods of time (say, more than 3 seconds). Very screechy.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: sophocleese Date: 03 Nov 00 - 04:10 PM hesperis, Peter Cox has made a bowed psaltery before. I'm trying to give a more detailed reason about why I don't like the organ that much. I think the only times I have liked organ is when I am in a choir singing with organ accompianment. I'm not sure then if I just don't like it on its own or if I get bored when I have to listen but can't sing. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: wildlone Date: 03 Nov 00 - 03:01 PM I play the bowed psaltry and I have found that some people do not like it I think it is the old "fingernails down the blackboard" sound.As to the history if you look around enough you will find an expert that will say that the Germans reinvented all musical instruments based on old carving/woodcuts/manuscripts/painting. I have seen a picture of a stone carving at santiago de compostella showing what appears to be a triangular instrument being held by a person holding a bow. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Naemanson Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:57 PM I have ignored this thread because I try to avoid negative threads (the "I Don't Like..." variety). For some reason I looked in and had to laugh. Did you know, Kendall, that Jennifer recently gave me a bowed psaltery? If you want to ride together to the NH party I could entertain you all the way there with my vast repertoire of two songs! Actually a repertoire of two songs isn't excactly vast. It's more half vast isn't it? |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Ely Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:48 PM Bowed psaltery--too high and thin. Grates my nerves. Autoharp--actually, I think I dislike the manner in which this is played more than the instrument itself. It seems to invite schmaltz. I have heard some very good players but I often have a really hard time with the repertoire. Not a big fan of the pennywhistle, either. Again, too high and shrill (my dog will second this). |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Kim C Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:47 PM I like to think I play the spoons pretty well. Will allow that they are not appropriate for every application. I absolutely detest the sound of sampled horns. It's really keen that anyone who can play a keyboard can now play the horns... but even the best sample still does not have the crisp ringing tone of a REAL horn. Let me say here that I love the Highland pipes but I think I'm going to bust the next piper that plays Amazing Grace within my earshot. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:40 PM I didnt start this thread just to hear prople voice their hate of certain instruments. I'd like to know why you dont like them? For example, the bowed psaltry seems to be on a frequency which I find annoying. Sort of like the high pitched whine in a tired old TV set. Or the whine of someone who just doesn't get it. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: L R Mole Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:14 PM My least favorite instruments are the anemometer, the leaky bidet, and the unwrung windsock. And my own annoying voice, whining. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:11 PM I will admit, however, that there's only so much unaccompanied harpsichord I can stand.
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:10 PM And you know them all, doo-doo head! |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:09 PM *reverts back to the 9 year old from the last time MT and I de-volved* Takes one to know one, stinky! :-P |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 02:05 PM My least favorite instrument is a computer keyboard when being used by a jerk. There. Hope that makes some of you happy.
Alex |
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Subject: *sigh* From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:58 PM That much was all too obvious MT.... |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:56 PM Gee, Clint, I would never have thought of that. Thanks! |
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Subject: Someone break out the bran muffins! From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:52 PM Ya don't like "what don't you like" threads? Easy fix... Stay the hell out of them then! D'uh... How the hell hard is that to wedge into yer head? |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Matt_R Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:57 PM Sitars are beautiful...I especially love Ravi. In fact, there's a whole slue of Indian and Asian instruments that I really like. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Mooh Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:55 PM ...I almost forgot, Mbo/Matt's previous opinion notwithstanding (restart the favourite instrument thread, why don't you), I don't like the sitar much, though if I had one I might feel differently. Playing an instrument and listening to one can be two very different things. Remember the Concert for Bangladesh recording? As much as I tried, I couldn't learn to like it. Mooh.
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Troll Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:54 PM Sorry Matt, but I don't like 'synths in most situations. I DO, however like a good keyboard. troll |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: mousethief Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:50 PM I'm with Matt. What I'm really tired of are "What do you hate?" threads.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Mooh Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:49 PM Hesperis. I am an unabashed lobbyist for guitar, but you're right. I've said it here before, that if only guitarists (me too) would vary their playing more we all would benefit. Peace. Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: Matt_R Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:45 PM I think a "FAVORITE instruments" thread would be much more interesting. I'm getting really tired of hearing about what people DON'T like. |
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Subject: RE: Help: un favorite instruments From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:41 PM Bart, that crack you made about Jazz being pointless noodling? Right on! |
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