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Subject: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:18 PM Well folks,it's election night,and here at Mudcat Election 2000 HQ we are watching the results closely.So far,it's a barn-burner.The count at this time is Bush 121 electoral votes,Gore 119, and Gore has captured the key state of Florida.Big Mick has also apparently delivered Michigan for Gore. Stay tuned,and we look forward to hearing from all correspondents! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:23 PM Glad to see you got the place set up, LeeJ. Nice bunting. Did you remember the noise makers? Anyone setting up the drinks? Not heard a word, here, yet, about Wyoming, but with only 3 electoral votes and given its penchant for the Grand Oil Party, I go on record, stick my neck out, dive right in and predict that Dumbya will take Wyoming, to my chagrin! kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:27 PM That may be true Kat,and I'm predicting Bush/Cheney take Colorado as well.So far the big surprise to me is Florida,and I think Gore owes a big debt to Banjer and Harpgirl for their excellent grassroots work in that pivotal state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Big Mick Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:27 PM So far, so good. Come on, Pennsylvania. Make the ole Big Mick right on his call of 302 electoral votes. Be back later. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:35 PM Thanks,Mick.That's Michigan correspondent Big Mick,who played a key role in creating the Michigan Gore lead. Alabama has gone Bush,and he has increased his lead to 130 to 119. We are also interested in local referendums and Senate/Congressional races.Here in Colorado,legalized use of marijuana is a high profile issue.I voted for it,although I think patients who are prescribed marijuana should also get free milk and cookies as part of the deal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:35 PM Yeah! C'mon, Pennsylvania - Home of the Mudcat!! Help the Big Mick out!! LeeJ, don't forget Kendall, Liberal Extraordinaire, visited down there and had a mighty fine time of it, judging from a few postings. I am sure his work down there really helped.:-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:38 PM That's our Wyoming correspondent Katlaughing. Yes,Kat,the influence of Kendall can't be overlooked,especially when you consider his impact in bringing in the Curmudgeon Vote both in Florida and Maine,which has just gone into the Gore column. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: WyoWoman Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:42 PM That would be two votes for medical marijuana from the Great State Of Colorado. Except I said I thought chocolate fondue should be a part of the treatment. Watching avidly on CNN-online, listening to NPR -- what I get for not having television. I could get results AND have those familiar homicidal feelings come back as I listen to the tele-twits narrating all night long... Fingers and toes crossed that MY Guy wins ... ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:49 PM One problem with the fondue concept,Wyo...I've never been an advocate of mixing marijuana use with any kind of open flame and sharp utensils. Gore has apparently just taken Pennsylvania.Way to go Max and Bert! Gore 145 Bush 130.Can Spaw bring Ohio into the Gore column? More after these messages.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:54 PM wow...when I came to the computer 2 min ago, Penn was undecided....that sure helps, if it hold up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 08:56 PM 5 minutes till NY and 6-7 others.....we 'could' see the answer if it goes well....but Washington & Oregon worry me |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:05 PM Thanks Kat,a great product.In fact I'm wearing one right now. Wyoming,and North and South Dakota declared for Bush,New York for Gore. Gore182 Bush153,Popular vote 53%Bush 47%Gore. Hillary has won in New York... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MMario Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:07 PM *sigh* I know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: WyoWoman Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:08 PM You took off the blue fez, LEJ? Or did you just hang it on the Pickle Dimmer/ ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:11 PM 
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:13 PM ...sorry...could NOT resist...*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:14 PM Let's hear it for the Pickle Dimmer! Get the best of both worlds.
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:16 PM Ohio looms large,still too close to call. WW...I can't wear the fez and the Pickle Dimmer at the same time as the bi-directional pull tends to put a cramp in my trucking muscle. Could Gore lose the popular vote by nearly 5% and still win the election? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:17 PM Bush has just taken Ohio and Tennessee...look out.Bush 185 Gore 182 |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:20 PM Somebody clue me in about the pickle dimmer. Tim and I are still speaking to eachother - fondly - even though I voted for Nader. So who's going to accept my challenge and switch from Nader to Gore in California or Washington? HEY! Pennsylvania for GORE!!!!
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:21 PM Missouri looks SO important right now....and St. Louis will still be voting for till 11PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:30 PM Looks to me like Gore,in order to win,will need California,Oregon, and Minnesota in his column,as well as two of these: Wisconsin,Missouri,Arizona,or Washington.Shame about Tennessee,hey Al? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:31 PM Ohio for BOOOOOOsh! Tennessee for BOOOOOOsh! 185 Bush 183 Gore.
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:33 PM Minnesota for GO GO GO Gore! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:36 PM Has Minnesota been declared for Gore,Miriam? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: WyoWoman Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:38 PM What are the polls saying about California? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:41 PM The Governor of Wisconsin just said he was sure his state would go for Bush. Had the gall to be gleeful about it! Miriam, there is a famous Mudcat song, written by our own Amos, tongue-in-cheek, about men's dangly bits, i.e. "pickles" glowing at night. It's been heard on Mudcat radio often and you can read it by going to the Quick Links, choose Aine's Mudcat Songbook and go from there. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:43 PM Yes, Minnesota has been declared for Gore. I got carried away in my mode of expression. Polls in CA don't close until 11 PM. They're not supposed to release the results of exit polls until then. Robb just conceeded to Allen in VA. I'm no fan of Robb, but I hate to see the Dem's lose a seat, and I hate to see another electric-chair fan get into the Senate. Speaking of seats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:47 PM it would be funny if W. Va. or N. Hampshire decided it at 3 am...well....maybe not TOO funny |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:47 PM Do I dare? "Concombre" has been one of my favorite French words since I was fourteen. How do you say "dimmer" in French? Dimmer than what? New Mexico for GO GO Gore! Yes, that means it has just been declared! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:50 PM if Mudcat is slow, Miriam...don't poosha da button twice...*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:51 PM Colorado is still up in the air according to CBS,but I can tell you that Bush has a substantial lead here,and Colorado will go to him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 07 Nov 00 - 09:53 PM According to a handy-dandy online translator, dimmer is saumurer.:-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:01 PM OOOPS. Florida has just been moved back to undecided... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: WyoWoman Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:01 PM For some reason, the results in Florida have just been recalled, according to NPR -- they're saying it might or might not go to Gore now ... Jayzuz what a squeaker ... LEJ -- did you see that Medical Marijuana won? I'm feeling a little puny ... Somebody heat up the fondue. And LEJ, you'll never make it as a cowboy if you don't think sharp instruments and open flame are the elements of a great party. Let's RODEO!!! ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:03 PM lawsa MERCY!...they sure know how to tease a body!....anyone have any spare fingernails? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:05 PM Sorry for the double post. I saw my typo at the last minute and it turned out to have been too late to stop it. Bush -212 Missouri, Ohio, Idaho, Montana, New Hmapshire Too close to call: Arkansas, Iowa, Nevada, Florida (yes, Florida) Gore - 173 (down because they changed their minds about Florida)
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:06 PM Missouri to Bush...looks dark for Gore suddenly |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MMario Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:12 PM bush 52% popular vote gore 46% |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: WyoWoman Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:15 PM Musicman, clear out the spare room... I'm Canada-bound ... ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:16 PM NBC has just put Florida back in Gore's column |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MMario Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:19 PM New Hampshire just declared - they are saying 217 bush 173 gore at moment |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:24 PM NBC now saying again Florida is too close to call. I'm actually enjoying the fact that the computers can't reliably call this one...just wishing that a Bush state would shift back to TCTC. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:28 PM ....WyoWoman...Canada looks pretty good right now...but they have an election coming up too...*grin*...maybe Skarpi would like company...*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:29 PM saumurer de concombre Concombre is actually cucumber. "Cornichon" is a small pickle (gherkin). We could say Saumurer de concombre au vinaigre. Now wait a minute, "saumure" is brine. Dimmer is "variateur d'ambiance" - or "plus bouché." Thanks for helping me find "Your Pickle Glows at Night." Now I'll need to look up the tune so I can sing it to Tim. To celebrate Gore's victory - or to comfort ourselves should the unthinkable happen.
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:31 PM I'm not watching. Why would I? But it's fun hearing about it on Mudcat. I can't be bothered watching football either, actually....pointless game, unless, of course, you're actually playing it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:31 PM The Floridians are a bunch of wusses! I'm standing in the surf fairly close to Japan at the moment Leej,. and from here it definitely looks like there's a Bush burning going on over there in round-eyesville. Lights up the whole Pacific Rim. Californians are turning out by the platoon to right the silliness of newscasters who try to swing elections by juggling their predictions. We feel this will be a ferocious contest with ultimate justice as the shadow of Voting Day moves slowly into the Western wetlands. Of course, as the bishop said to the actress, that all depends on whose Bush gets Gored. Amos |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:37 PM They're arguing about Tennesee. W VA has gone to Bush. Still arguing about FL. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MMario Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:39 PM and someone just raised doubts about Pennsylvania. But the networks say they stand by their call. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:40 PM Colorado is still too close to call, they say. My bet is they give Florida back to Al and Colorado puffs abd bellows its way into the Bush....camp, that is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:45 PM I'd like to see the actual vote count for Florida.Arkansas is dead even. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MMario Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:48 PM 600,000 absentee ballots in florida |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:49 PM And millions in California which might push the hinge of this whole shtick into the future by several days!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:50 PM Popular vote currently within 100,000 votes.Hell,Bush leads in Missouri 51% to 49%,and they've not counted half the vote there,but declared for Bush.This is crazy...but I love it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Troll Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:51 PM I dunno, Amos. The registered Republicans in Florida outnumber the Democrats. It'll be the precincts in Miami, Orlando, and Tampa that'll tell the tale. The rural counties are all very strong for Bush but they should be mostly in by now. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:52 PM Florida at 10:37 ET Electoral Vote: 25 60% reporting Al Gore, Dem 1,549,320 - 47% |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:53 PM George Bush tried hard to rattle California; the polls have been close. But I believe, i believe, that California will listen to its heart and rise up to swing the nation by the short hours. :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:53 PM "Saumuré" is pickled in brine. So we can have "le variateur d'ambiance du concombre suamuré" or "le conconbre au vinaigre plus bouché" - but that sounds a bit too lewd. I don't post stuff like that on the internet. Meanwhile, "saumâtre" means "hard to take." Someone less pure-minded than I could realy do something with this translation.
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MMario Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:55 PM it's the panhandle, which was open for an hour later (different time zone) that is keeping florida undecided |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:55 PM Gore has 47%,Ebbie?What's Bush's vote count? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:56 PM Missed getting Bush's numbers in there: at 10:37 in Florida, Bush was at 51%. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 10:57 PM Lej...which media are you listening to mostly? You are getting 'different' results and earlier than I am seeing... still...it is ALL nerve-wracking...it would be real hell to lose by 2-3 electoral votes |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:01 PM They're projecting California for GORE!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:01 PM I'm scanning CNN,NBC,CBS. NBC just declared California and Hawaii for Gore,but if ebbie's numbers are right,Florida looking grim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MMario Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:01 PM yup - fox just declared Hawaii and california for Gore |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:02 PM This is a nailbiter with 25 votes swinging. rockers in FL. Iowa, Wisconsin, Nevada -- where are you guys??? California just closed its polls.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:03 PM California's projected to go to Al. Hillary is talking about Pat Moynihan's farm and her black pants suits. Well, HERE we are! Hmmmph. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:09 PM when I get to be Emperor of the Universe, exit polls will be outlawed!...My nerves can't take it....let 'em just count the ballots! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:13 PM Bush leading Fl by a cat's hair -- or was a minute ago... 3/4 of the votes in. Geezis! This is better than the World Series, Leej! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Matt_R Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:15 PM Looks like Shrubbya is puttin' the big hurt on ol' OwlGore, ain't he? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:16 PM ebbie,do you have new Florida numbers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:16 PM Washington exit polls supporting Gore, and reflecting Naders mischief on some of the critical hinge-points. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:20 PM Colorado just moved Bush up into a tie -- Florida will be a key. Lot of absentee and late county numbers still washing around. C'mon Oregon! Murphy is heading for our Mayoralty. Dede Alpert is shutting down Sterling. Good show. GIVE BACK FLORIDA!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:22 PM Look at this insanity! (I'll go back and look, LEJ) California: Electoral Vote: 54 • 0% reporting • Al Gore, Dem 0 - 0% (declared winner) • George W. Bush, GOP 0 - 0% • Pat Buchanan, RP 0 - 0% • Ralph Nader, Grn 0 - 0% • Harry Browne, Lib 0 - 0% • John Hagelin, NLP 0 - 0% • Howard Phillips, CST 0 - 0% • 0% |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:24 PM Nevada by CNN is leaning Bushward. Gore owes California to the WIMMINfolk!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:25 PM Gore 1% lead in Arkansas.Florida still showing 51%Bush 47%Gore on CNN |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:27 PM No change given for awhile. Florida at 11:07 • Electoral Vote: 25 • 60% reporting • Al Gore, Dem 1,549,320 - 47%
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:27 PM Isn't CNN OWNED by Republicans? Huh? Huh? :>) Gore had a couple of points on the leading data from FL but they're insisting on the numbers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: GutBucketeer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:28 PM Looks like it is going to be a very long night! Go Gore Go!!! Can't imagine Bush AND a G.O.P Congress! JAB |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: DougR Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:28 PM Well, WyoWoman, I'd have to say of all the folks on the mudcat, I am most sympathetic to your quandry. I still think Gore might pull it off, so don't leave for Canada yet! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:35 PM And in Florida, pounding along on the outside here comes Gore! He has gained a length... Florida
Tuesday November 7 11:25 PM ET
• Electoral Vote: 25
• George W. Bush, GOP 2,199,593 - 50% |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:37 PM Gore up 2% in Iowa,Bush up 2% in Nevada |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:37 PM Florida is the key......and it doesn't look real good. Thing is, I CAN imagine it with G.W, and a Republican congress...and 3-4 Supreme court appointments. Big business, moralistic religions and Trent Lott deciding too many things. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:39 PM Alaska closes its polls -- the final frontier -- in 25'. I have never seen a race like this -- even at Del Mar!!! Could this be the beginning of the end of the Two-Party system? Is this the precursor of a new paradigm? In your dreams.... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:39 PM Hope in Florida....returns from heavily Democrat Dade County have not come in yet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Jon Freeman Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:42 PM WW, you could always come to the UK and have Tony Blair or better still we could send him to you. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:42 PM Pretty decisive in California at 11:25: • Electoral Vote: 54 • 11% reporting • Al Gore, Dem 494,081 - 50% (declared winner)
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:44 PM Nawww, Amos....there is no mechanism for 3rd parties yet.The media can just choose to ignore them...now IF we dump the electoral college, maybe! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:48 PM If Bush carries the final count, the whole GUMMINT will be Republican... scarey business. Neither house is going to jump Democratic. This is an unusual election for sure. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:55 PM So how do we go about dumping the electoral college? I understand it would require a Constitutional Amendment. Gore wins Colorado. Still ahead 2 percentage points in FLA. Arizona - I missed it. They predict Republicans retain control of house. Even if split comes out 50/50, which is still possible, tie-breaker will be Republican (either Leiberman's replacement or Cheney, depending on the presidentila outcome.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Ebbie Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:57 PM Sorry to say that it's not likely that Alaska will be good news... We elect the damnedest people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 07 Nov 00 - 11:58 PM That's "the outcome of the presidential election." "Presidentila" is a nice word, though, don't you think? If we ever get a female President... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:04 AM 240 (Bush) to 231 with Alaska in Duh-Bah's camp. Florida may roll on into the absentee count ending as late as noon tomorrow! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:07 AM DAMN! Arkansas drove Blush to 240 vs 231. Wisconsin, Iowa, WA, Oregon...and FL still to show their stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: mousethief Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:08 AM Well I hope to be able to declare my home state in the Gore column, but it's still too close to call here, and about 50% of our ballots this year were absentee!
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:09 AM Washington just declared for Gore,Arkansas for Bush. 242 to 242 |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: mousethief Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:11 AM Looks like CNN has given Arkansas to Bush, as well as Alaska.
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:13 AM Gore has 2% lead in Wisconsin and Iowa,Bush the same in Nevada and Oregon.Florida is the nut,and I think the Dade County votes are being held back until the end of the count. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: WyoWoman Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:16 AM Wow, doug. Coming from you, that's downright moving ... Ok. I won't throw my toothbrush in yet, but the bags are out of the garage and the flannel jammies are folded up and set on the bed ... ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:19 AM If they do get the White House AND congress, in two years, we can at least take back the House and Senate!!! Isn't it time for another commercial break, something for relief...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: mousethief Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:28 AM I'm on pins and needles here.
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:29 AM Miriam, it's to the tune of RISING OF THE MOON; there is a midi of that in the DT right here. I thnk that is also the tune to Wearing of the Green. The politician who lied about living at my sisters' address and was charged with two counts of voter fraud and could face up to 20 years in prison won here. Voters are a strange breed. I would suspect she will resign and teh GOP are breathing easier knowing they can put another patsy in her spot. It's disgusting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:39 AM I have craft shows to do....which means wood to turn....I am going to bed and dream of Florida.......ya'll don't stay up TOO late, hear? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:42 AM we'll keep a candle in the window,Bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:43 AM Flo-ri-da! Flo-ri-da! Go-Go-Go-Gore! G'night, Bill.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: mousethief Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:45 AM Voters, have close elections got you tied into a knot? Is your stomach churning, burning, yearning to breathe free? Reach for Ab-Cen-Tee antacids. Yes, Ab-Cen-Tee can turn an election upset ... stomach into a smooth situation. Cool, breezy, a little slow to be counted, but mighty in their own way, Ab-Cen-Tee antacids are available wherever mail-in ballots are allowed. Got more Gore than your stomach can handle? Has a burning Bush got you dancing the hot-foot? Get Ab-Cen-Tee antacids today. And tomorrow. And all next week. Not available in all states. ---
Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Murray MacLeod Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:50 AM The game is up for Gore,there just aren't enough votes left for him to take Florida. Damn, for the longest time I thought he still had a chamce .......... Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:56 AM NO! Not yet!! Keep the faith!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: mousethief Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:59 AM Make way for at least 2 years of environmental rape, corporate welfare, and diminishing civil rights. Sigh.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Murray MacLeod Date: 08 Nov 00 - 12:59 AM Kat he can't do it he has to get a 120,000 plurality out of 500,000 votes still to come. I am crying too .... Murray |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: kimmers Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:04 AM it ain't looking too good here in Or-ee-gone, folks. Last I saw, it was 49% Bush and 48% Gore. I did my part, but my *&$%# husband voted for Nader. The noive! We are, however, projected to have an ~83% voter turnout, which is good for something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: mousethief Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:05 AM Did I mention dismantling of the clean air and water acts, repeal of virtually all national gun-control laws, and an acceleration in the wealth gap between the richest 1% of the population and the rest of us?
Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:06 AM Bush apparently issued a press release this morning announcing "President-elect Bush's" Agenda for Wednesday. Dade County returns are coming in,and Bush's lead has dropped to 60,000 in Fla. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: wysiwyg Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:11 AM Amos' pickle song is featured in the beginning of a February radio archive... the 16th maybe? We know what's important eh Mudcatters? N Central PA Mudcatters voted for Big Mick, too. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Thyme2dream Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:18 AM gee.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:27 AM Bush's lead down to 28000 in Florida,49%/49%. Hang on... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: wysiwyg Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:28 AM They are saying FL count will be done by 2:30 AM and still up for grabs. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: mousethief Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:30 AM Oh, and did I mention the incoming congress will re-draw the congressional district maps nationwide?
Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: kimmers Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:31 AM Oregon's now 49% Bush, 46% Gore. How bleak. I apologize for my state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: WyoWoman Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:43 AM How do they count the absentee ballots? Is it an electronic ballot that they scan? (I just have this image of tables full of League of Women Voters volunteers with pencils in their hands, making hash marks on white paper under the glare of the television cameras .... ) I mean, will they actually have them counted in the next few hours, or is this going to take some more time? ww |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: kimmers Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:44 AM Alex, at least your state is doing better. WA numbers look much more encouraging. Now we're at 48% Bush, 46% Gore here in the land of Tillamook cheese and the spotted owl, and the political analyst on the idiot box says that there are still a *lot* of votes to come in from Multnomah county, which has traditionally been solid for the Democrats. So, why are the Floridians going to stop in the middle of the night when they should stay up all night counting votes like those of us on the west coast? Huh? I smell re-count... I can't believe I'm getting my political news from a folk music forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Thyme2dream Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:45 AM gee again..NPR says whoever wins will have to get along with both parties...gosh, politicians working together? Maybe this cliffhanger has a silver lining! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:48 AM They claimed they would have the absentee ballots counted by 3:30 am EST. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:53 AM "I can't believe I'm getting my political news from a folk music forum." kimmers,it's simple...we are the only people you can trust.:>} |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Thyme2dream Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:55 AM Actually, last I heard, in Oregon, absentee ballots can technically be counted until Nov 22nd, they just have to be postmarked today...(CNN this time, switching back an forth on my PC) |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Thyme2dream Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:57 AM okay.. I know what this reminds me of...this is almost as exciting as that last Superbowl! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: wysiwyg Date: 08 Nov 00 - 02:18 AM OH NO |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 02:19 AM NBC just acknowledged Bush President-elect of the United States. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 08 Nov 00 - 02:29 AM So did NPR. Fuck! I feel like puking. Unfuckingbelievable...
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Nov 00 - 02:34 AM Hell of an election. Thanks for being with us on this historic night.Now don your pickle-dimmers and shuffle off to bed..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 08 Nov 00 - 02:40 AM It's the end of the world, as we know it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: CarolC Date: 08 Nov 00 - 02:55 AM *sob* |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: MiriamKilmer Date: 08 Nov 00 - 08:28 AM I wake myself up during the night to check for a migraine. The radio blared at 4 AM that Gore had retracted his concession. Florida must recount. I took a shot for my migraine. I can't stand the tension, but giving up hope would be worse. Where are y'all? |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: GUEST Date: 08 Nov 00 - 08:31 AM I wasn't at my computer last night, so I'm just reading this thread this morning. Sounds like everyone was just as nerve-wracked as I was. But the drama ain't over yet. Keep hope alive. (Anyone else awake out there?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: GUEST,Whistle Stop Date: 08 Nov 00 - 08:34 AM That was me, by the way; guess I need to refresh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: SINSULL Date: 08 Nov 00 - 08:51 AM No real sleep last night. Up and down and every time I got a different report. The New York Post published a lovely red headline announcing "Bush Wins" then changes it to "Gore Changes His Mind" or some such nonsense. Now they are talking about a few thousand Gore votes in Florida accidentally credited to Buchanan by faulty machines and Joy Behar is claiming that the CIA under orders from former head George Bush has interfered with the vote in Florida. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ I need sleep. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Big Mick Date: 08 Nov 00 - 08:53 AM Something else, eh folks? First off, stop this crazy shit about puking and leaving. I have been in this thing since January, but this is electoral politics. If the Governor wins, he does so on one of the absolute slimmest margins ever, and probably not with the popular vote. To all of you who bitch and piss and moan about the dear old US of A, let me ask you a question. In many countries if the margin were this close one would be concerned about armed insurrection. Our amazing democracy has allowed this great Republic to pass the torch on (arguably) the most powerful chair to sit in in the world in a peaceful way. What will happen, will happen. It has been an amazing ride and the answer is a day or two away. If Dubya wins, then it is incumbent on those of us who are part of the loyal opposition to be there enunciating the differences in our positions and approaches. We all provide the stability and vitality of the system. Anyone who would leave instead of staying and carrying on just doesn't get representative democracy. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: katlaughing Date: 08 Nov 00 - 10:12 AM Maybe, Mick, but it gets damn tiring. After eight years of Congress fucking around and blocking anything Clinton tried to do for the people, it's hard to keep hope alive. Of course, Wyoming exacerbates this so perhaps I'l feel better about it next Spring when we finally get the hell out of here. I am however just busting buttons over pride for Hillary! What a womon!! kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: SINSULL Date: 08 Nov 00 - 10:48 AM You are, of course, correct Mick. I woke up this morning knowing that even if Ralph Nader pulled off the impossible and won the election, I would have a secure job, safe home, food on the table, and a normal life. I'm concerned about the long term effects our new president will have on the make up of the Supreme Court but life in the US will go on pretty much as usual. In that, we are blessed. I am staying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Bill D Date: 08 Nov 00 - 11:51 AM I am awake and pumping coffee into the old IV, and still no definitive answer!....wow!........... No one was really prepared for Gore winning the popular vote and losing the electoral.......and Florida seems to be only a couple of thousand difference!.... Mick is right, of course....we will keep on keeping on......but if Bush wins this, the REAL winners will be the political cartoonists! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: GUEST,mousethief (at the library) Date: 08 Nov 00 - 01:40 PM If Bush wins the real winners will be the oil companies, and the pharmaceutical companies, and the HMO's, and the heavily polluting industries, and the land-denuding timber companies, and so forth. The losers will be the environment, the poor, and the middle-class. Welcome to the 1980's, mark II.
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: kendall Date: 08 Nov 00 - 02:40 PM It just tickles the hell out of me to see that Hillery won. The country at large is not ready for an intelligent woman, but, I guess NY is! |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Nov 00 - 03:47 PM Sadly, Ol' Spaw had to do a little hosp time and my biggest regret was not being here to play with the "Mudcat Talking Heads!" One helluva' race! I think its also true that no one in the office of president at this point will be able to get anything too radical through the Congress. Its Republican, by the slimmest of margins, making it incumbent on all of us as Mick has said to voice our opinions even louder. There won't be much passed without a fight. Gawd, I'm glad to be back and seeing all these responses. I particularly dislike both Ashcroft and Danforth from Missouri and to see Ashcroft beaten by Carnahan's wife was quite fulfilling. Sorry about Ohio, but this is the home of Taft Republicanism even though we have often gone with Democratic Senators. The presidential race was much closer here than most figured. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: SINSULL Date: 08 Nov 00 - 05:08 PM The country at large is not ready for an intelligent woman, but, I guess NY is!
Still haven't learned your lesson yet, eh Kendall? What's your take on how often intelligent women get laid? Just curious... |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: SINSULL Date: 09 Nov 00 - 01:32 PM Anybody taking bets on how long before Jeb Bush is indicted for election fraud. Still ironic, Mary |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: mousethief Date: 09 Nov 00 - 01:54 PM From what I've been hearing over the last 2 days, election fraud in Florida is a way of life. It's just unfortunate for the perpetrators that the national attention is focused on them right now.
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: Amos Date: 10 Nov 00 - 03:05 AM Unfortunate, hell; they've disqualified enough voters with their heebyjeeby forms to give Maine back to Bush and still put Gore in the White House. But Kendall would never stand for it! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: LEJ's Mudcat Election HQ 2000 From: CarolC Date: 10 Nov 00 - 03:23 AM Here's Part Two |