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Obscure Sheet Music???

GUEST,DEBBIE 09 Nov 00 - 02:07 PM
MMario 09 Nov 00 - 02:25 PM
GUEST,Russ 09 Nov 00 - 02:56 PM
GUEST,Russ 09 Nov 00 - 03:02 PM
SINSULL 09 Nov 00 - 03:36 PM
GUEST,Debbie 09 Nov 00 - 05:50 PM
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Mary in Kentucky 09 Nov 00 - 06:24 PM
Malcolm Douglas 09 Nov 00 - 08:43 PM
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GUEST,.gargoyle 17 May 10 - 06:29 AM
Jim Dixon 07 Jul 11 - 07:48 AM
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Subject: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: GUEST,DEBBIE
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 02:07 PM

WHERE CAN YOU FIND SHEET MUSIC FOR REALLY OBSCURE MUSIC? IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE WEB FOR FOLK MUSIC SPECIFICALLY


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Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: MMario
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 02:25 PM

Debbie - there is a lot of things on the web, and ways to get what aren't. Of course, "obscure" means differnet things to different people. Do you have any specific requests?

for any song which has a tune included in the Digital Tradition, the latest version (available on CD from DickG for $5 (us) will print the sheet music.

welcome, welcome, welcome to the mudcat. Hope we can answer your questions.

Were you aware that all caps is not only very difficult for people to read,(causes a great deal of eyestrain) but in common practice on the web it is reserved for "shouting".


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Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 02:56 PM

HI DEBBIE!

For obscure sheet music try levysheetmusic.mse.jhu.edu/

For REALLY obscure sheet music try www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ballads/ballads.htm


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Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 03:02 PM

Oops! Forgot about www.geocities.com/dferg5493/


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Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 03:36 PM

Debbie,
To see or to own? You can check Ebay. They always have sheet music for sale.


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Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: GUEST,Debbie
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 05:50 PM

Thanks folks! The sites were really good, I hadn't been able to find them before. (Specially the Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads, very cool.) I went to the recommended websites and no go.

I am deeply traumatized by the fact I can't find the tune. It's called, "The Brown and the Yellow Ale." I know the lyrics but alas, no sheet music.

I inadvertantly wrote in caps. But it is probably mimicking my internal turmoil resulting from my fruitless search. sigh.

Thanks though!


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Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: GUEST,Debbie
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 05:55 PM

Hey I just saw one of my colleagues is also looking for it. sorry to have the repeat folks!!!


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Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 06:24 PM

Hi Debbie,

A very quick search on Altavista turned up this link [http://www.partitura.be/DATA/groups/collections.htm] It appears to be an online store in Belgium (maybe). Your song is listed about 5/6 of the way down the page under Songs of Dublin. It says it has the melody line and chords...and of course a price.

Good luck! Incidentally, that's one of the songs in the DT which doesn't have a midi with it. So if you get the sheet music would you please pass it on to someone here so we can make a midi to go with it?

Mary


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Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Nov 00 - 08:43 PM

Have a look at the other thread:  The Brown and the Yellow Ale  -I've found staff notation for the song, but no source is given so I can't vouch for its authenticity.

Malcolm


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Subject: Tune Req: Up Pompeii
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 May 10 - 03:12 PM

From an old thread:

Subject: RE: OBSCURE SHEET MUSIC???
From: GUEST,Vivienne Payne - PM
Date: 16 May 10 - 12:11 PM

I am desparately trying to find the sheet music for "Up Pompeii" the theme tune to the Frankie Howard film of "Up Pompeii" Either sheet music or a backing track or even just the chords would ok. Any ideas please. Thanks
Vivienne

(no, I didn't look for it)


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 17 May 10 - 06:29 AM

Being within current copyright - and UK issues - a score online would be unusual.

(The Brits seem to have a slew of hungry solicitors seek out copyright infringment)

I like the UCLA - Music Library for research - their MELVL - brought this up for your UK location.

Up Pompeii - Musical Score
World Library Scores
ST PANCRAS
LONDON, NW1 2DB
United Kingdom

British Library Reference Collections

London, NW1 2DB United Kingdom

Up Pompeii"
(Main Theme)
Written by Ken Howard and Alan Blaikley
Sung by Frankie Howerd (uncredited)

ocument Type: Musical Score
All Authors / Contributors: Ken Howard; Alan Blaikley
Find more information about:
OCLC Number: 497291484
Description: 1 score.
Responsibility: Ken Howard ; Alan Blaikley.

The online "Sheet Music Warehouse" UK, has it for ll pounds.

The You Tube version is easy to work a fake I,IV,V ...from ... even the tuba is simple.

Multiple midis abound IE http://www.midisite.co.uk/midi/search.pl?t=rome&s=50&m=&x=50

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 07:48 AM

Here's a method many people will want to learn.

Go to WorldCat.org. This is a database that combines the catalogues of many libraries worldwide, as well as several websites that have online viewable sheet music.

Click the "Advanced Search" link right below the search box. That will take you to the "Advanced Search" page.

Type the title of your song into the box marked "Title." Leave off "a" or "the" at the beginning of the title.

If you are certain of the exact title and its exact spelling, put the title in quotation marks. This will narrow the search considerably.

If you are certain of the songwriter's name and its exact spelling, put the name in the "author" box. I recommend using only the last name. This will also narrow the search.

Under "Format" select "Musical Score." That also narrows the search.

Click "Search." That will bring you to a search results page like this one (for "Brown and Yellow Ale").

If you find nothing, go back and eliminate some of the options that narrowed the search.

In this case, we found one book ("Ireland Sings" by Dominic Behan). Click on the title.

That brings you to this page, which lists libraries that have the book.

Under "Enter your location" type your zip code if you are American. I'm pretty sure you can use your postal code if you are British, Canadian, or Australian, but you might need to experiment with this. I don't know about other countries, but I think if you type in your country, it will give you further instructions. (You only need to do this once; it will save your location in a "cookie.")

Now the list of libraries will be sorted with the closest one first.

Alternatively, you can go to your local library and ask the librarian to do this for you. I think librarians nowadays are adept at using WorldCat. Maybe they can arrange to borrow the book from another library, if they don't have it.

Sometimes the search results will show you a website that has the score online.


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: reynard
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 09:06 AM

I tried Worldcat in the UK. I searched for David Copperfield (figured that was a good bet). Doesn't recognize UK post codes but "London, UK" produced results for about 50 libraries.


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 10:07 PM

Dear reynard

If you would like an "open source" aka FREE copy of a text such as David Copperfield one of your best bets for Kindle etc download is "Project Guttenberg."

IF - you are seeking "Obsure Sheet Music" - the UK and most certainly David Copperfield by postal codes is the LAST place most educated searchers would search.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Do not let me discourage your pursuit of knowledge - please parse the verbs and pursue the participles of your passion.

Ya gotta be quicker than a winker laf kat


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: Artful Codger
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 12:46 AM

Increasingly, Google Books and Internet Archive offer their free-downloadable books in EPUB format as well as PDF. The downside is that, unlike at Project Gutenberg, no one proofs the OCR scans, or converts into real text those text bits which the OCR engine considers "illustrations" (such as lyrics within and following scores)--these illustrations may or not be included or may simply be marked by the unhelpful notation "[OCR errors]" (here be dragons). The upside is that you can still cross-check against the PDF page scans--though maybe not so well on your Kindle and certainly not on your Nook. Project Gutenberg has a paltry showing when it comes to songbooks and books about music, and I'm not aware of any scores there, aside from occasional scans of melodies embedded in a few offerings. So for anything music-oriented, Project Gutenberg is likely to prove a virtual desert.

That said, Project Gutenberg's version of Lomax's Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads (ZIP'd HTML) includes MIDIs of all musical examples, a precedent I hope will be followed with other important collections. I suspect their source was the Traditional Music Library site (http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/). I'd love to see the TML offer free ZIP downloads of their collections, MIDIs included (when available). Having to wait real-time for page downloads when browsing such collections is aggravating. (Then again, their OCRs are also unproofed. C'mon, guys, get with the program!)


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: reynard
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 10:13 AM

My dear Gargoyle;
I think you may have misunderstood me. I wasn't actually looking for a copy of "David Copperfield" but trying to illuminate the task of searching for texts in libraries from the UK (in response to Jim Dixon's conjecture on this subject above). As he suggests, you have to give the country first before you can do any search using a post code. The search is not thereby restricted to UK libraries but incidently yields the distance in miles from your home location of the nearest copy of any text should you wish to undertake the journey. Being previously unfamiliar with Worldcat myself and perhaps not an "educated searcher" by your standards, but merely a humble seeker wishing to better myself, I thought I would contribute my experience, out of the innocent desire to assist others on the same journey. Perhaps I should have spelt out my intentions at greater length as you do not seem to have grasped my point.


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: ripov
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 08:23 PM

Those with a more classical leaning could try the Petrucci Library at http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page , indeed there may be a wide variety of genres there.


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: GUEST,Oscar156
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 08:02 PM

I'm not sure if this forum is still alive, but I'm going to ask for help here anyway. Sheet music for Alberto Williams "El rancho abandonado" has been impossible to find. Any help on finding it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: GUEST,#
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 08:34 PM

'El rancho abandonado' is the fourth of five 'movements' in a piece entitled

En la sierra

I'd suggest looking for that as opposed to the specific movement you want.


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: GUEST,#
Date: 10 Mar 16 - 08:46 PM

Oscar156, see if that's any use to you.

http://www.sheetmusicfox.com/Song/48089/En-la-sierra%2C-Op32-Williams%2C-Alberto#.VuIjFH0rLs0


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 03:05 PM

Had never before heard of Alberto Williams, one of the Latin Americans who went off to the conservatories of Europe in order to get their formal music education. Argentine, in his case.

Here's a specific question regarding "El rancho abandonado." Are you content with the instrumental music, as this piece was originally intended to be? Are you after the song, with lyrics?

WorldCat page says that "En la sierra" -- it's Williams' Opus 32, by the way -- has a copyright date in the 1940s. That's publication as opposed to composition, because if I read right, the music itself was composed around 1900, even a year or two before.

Williams appears to have written the lyrics himself, after the fact, fitting them to the already composed instrumental music. If it's the words you are after:
"Nostálgicas, Pasionales, Canciones. Letra de las composiciones del canto del mismo autor", Alberto Williams. Publication date 1898, publisher "A. Moen."
No doubt the "letra," the lyrics, are copyrighted as well.


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 03:19 PM

There is a website called www.mercadolibre.com, I think this site is from Argentina. They are selling the sheet music. This, it should be noted, is not a song with words/lyrics.

The description says:
Alberto Williams Opus 32 no. 4
El Rancho Abandonado
Partitura Piano

The item is used, not new. Good luck!
(Don't take it personally that this post has no link....I have yet to succeed at links, at this forum or any other. Guess I have to learn how to cut and paste first.)


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 03:31 PM

There is also a copy for sale at uniliber.com website.


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Subject: RE: Obscure Sheet Music???
From: GUEST,#
Date: 11 Mar 16 - 04:06 PM

keberoxu, do you want a kinda 'blue clicky for them what don't get it' crash course?


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