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Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: GUEST,Greg F.(remote location) Date: 14 Nov 00 - 08:51 AM Well, Troll, Clinton may be no Henry Clay, but you're no John Randolf either. Interesting you should bring up this quote, relating to the "corrupt bargain" between Adams and Clay in the election of 1824- which election was not decided until Feb. 1825 by a vote in the House of Representatives. Best, Greg |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: rabbitrunning Date: 14 Nov 00 - 08:57 AM The paper ran the text of the law that GWB signed in Texas that prefers manual recounts to electronic recounts. It's quite clear. Now, either GWB doesn't read the laws he signs, or he's willing to cast aspersions on the accuracy of manual recounts for no more reason than that he's afraid to lose the election -- and thereby undermine public confidence in the electoral process and thus WHOEVER wins the election. Or he's just trying to delay things until the deadline which is being enforced by one of his own. Either way, he's playing a game of "heads I win, tails you lose," and that's not something that I can respect. Bring on the courts! At least judges ATTEMPT to be impartial! |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: GUEST,Tiger Date: 14 Nov 00 - 12:01 PM WARNING: OT and BS Fresh off the wire: Plans for the "neutralization" of our two presidents-elect have been uncovered. Apparently a motley group of high-powered magnates for soap operas and television series, as well as the owners of several football and baseball teams, conspired to assasinate Democratic candidate Gore and Republican candidate Bush, who they argue, in a statement posted on the Internet this morning, "...have maliciously contributed to the hardship of countless families by distracting from the truly American traditions of ingesting at least 6 hours per day of a healthy combination of soaps, sporting events, and other necessary ocular nutrients." Operatives for the group, which calls itself the Media Liberation Front were apprehended by the FBI and the Texas Rangers. The plot was foiled in part by agents of the above mentioned agencies, who have been actively investigating and infiltrating interests which are possibly damaged by the ongoing debate between the candidates..... Cheers! Tiger |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: GUEST,Bob S Date: 14 Nov 00 - 01:43 PM If they want to hand count ballots they should hand count the whole state, not just Gore's hand picked areas. There were 26,000 ballots tossed in Duval county which is heavily Republican. We need to have those counted also. As for Clinton directing the economy: No way. The economy directed itself. Supply and demand have stayed in good balance. When they get out of sync the economy will tank. the only person who really has had an affect is Alan Greenspan. Bob S. |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: InOBU Date: 14 Nov 00 - 04:56 PM Ecconomies don't just happen... even a hands off policy takes ajustment and control, contrary to Lazie fairests, the ecconomy is not a force of nature. - Larry |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: InOBU Date: 14 Nov 00 - 04:56 PM Ecconomies don't just happen... even a hands off policy takes ajustment and control, contrary to Lazie fairests, the ecconomy is not a force of nature. - Larry |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Nov 00 - 06:21 PM "If I was checking ballots and was backing a particular candidate. I know damn well what the intent is. In fact I wouldn't even have to look." (BobS)
"I couldn't agree with you more. (DougR)
If I was counting ballots I'd do it honestly. I'd count them trying to respect the rights of the person whose vote it was. I've been present at counts, and have no doubt whatsoever that that is exactly the way that the overwhelming majority ofbthe people doing the counting (by hand of course, there's no other sensible way of doing it)have seen it.
What BobS just said there, and DougR said he agreed with, was equivalent to someone saying "If I was on a jury and someone whom I knew belonged to a party I disagreed with was on trial, I know damn well I'd vote to find them guilty."
I don't actually believe that is what you would do. |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: GUEST,Bob S Date: 14 Nov 00 - 07:59 PM That's why they have challenges so potentially biased jurors or kept off the panel. No such chace in PBC Hell yeah I'm biased. The last jury duty I was called for involved someone suing deep pockets for a mint. I think these mega awards are bull so no jury duty for me. Before that I was called for a trial and asked if I was an NRA member. I wasn't at the time, but told Mr. lawyer that I once was a member. He wanted no part of me. So us biased people can be kept off juries. But not hand counts. Bob S. |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: GUEST,Bob S. Date: 14 Nov 00 - 08:05 PM To InOBU: If you go back and look at economic indicators it can be shown that present "Boom" began in 1982 or so. Using other data it can be shown to begin as far back as the early 1940's.(Does WWII ring a bell) Nowhere does it appear to be coordinated with Clinton. Bob S. |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Nov 00 - 09:27 PM Keeping liars and cheats out of a vote count isn't any harder than keeping them out of a jury. And in case any slip through, you make sure there are are representatives of the candidates keeping an eye on things, and on each other.
Clean elections take place all over the world, and I gather in most parts of the USA. If a state can't guarantee to find honest enough people to count the votes fairly, I'd question the wisdom of allowing it to decide who is going to be president. |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: InOBU Date: 14 Nov 00 - 11:32 PM Hmmmmm, well compaired to 1776, we are going steadly forward, and the Bush years, as well as the Great Depression where just a blip on the horizon, and well, ask yourself at the next election, are you doing better than in neolithic times? That's one way to look at it, point to you Bob S. |
Subject: RE: A DAY OF ABSENCE FOR DEMOCRACY From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Nov 00 - 09:30 PM Neolithic times had their good side, and included some pretty impressive cultures. I think it was Paul Goodman who used to describe himself as a Neolithic Conservative, It might have been Noam Chomsky.
Words like Neolithic are pretty approximate, but America's First Nations before the invaders came in would fall into the category. |