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Add: Child #110 Knight & Shepherd's Daughter DigiTrad: KNIGHT AND SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER KNIGHT AND SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER 2 KNIGHT AND THE SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER (6) KNIGHT AND THE SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER 3 THE KNIGHT AND THE SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER (5) THE KNIGHT AND THE SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER 4 Related threads: Lyr Add: The Shepherd's Daughter (11) Lyr Req: Knight William (Young Tradition) (3) In Mudcat MIDIs: The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter (Published by Cecil Sharp in "100 English Folk Songs" (1916), Lyrics embedded) |
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Subject: RE: Add: Child #110 Knight & Shepherd's Daughter From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Jun 22 - 06:52 PM The John & Tony Website has a nice page on this song. http://www.goldenhindmusic.com/lyrics/KNIGHTSH.html |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE ROYAL FORESTER From: masato sakurai Date: 29 Jun 03 - 11:27 PM From https://mainlynorfolk.info/lloyd/songs/theknightandtheshepherdsdaughter.html. Steeleye Span: The Royal Forester [Trad. Arr. Hart / Prior / Kemp / Knight / Johnson] Maddy Prior - vocals Peter Knight - fiddle, viola, vocals Tim Hart - dulcimer, vocals Bob Johnson - guitar Rick Kemp - bass. Subtitled 'The Aboriculturist Meets Superwoman'. From the singing of John Strachan. The first English text appeared in Anchovy Ram's elementary drum tutor 'Half way to Para-diddle', published in 1293. Although a faithful translation of the original Latin there is still scholarly dispute as to the spelling of the name 'Erwilian' and over the use of the word 'leylan'. This song was recorded by Steeleye Span for their fourth album Below The Salt, which was the first of their longest-living ``classic'' line-up. A live recording from the Royal Opera Theatre in Adelaide during Steeleye's Australia tour of 1982 was intended for inclusion on the On Tour Australian release but was subsequently deleted due to time limitations of vinyl pressings. It appeared later on the Steeleye Span / Maddy Prior sampler A Rare Collection 1972-1996. Steeleye Span sing The Royal Forester THE ROYAL FORESTER I am a forester of this land As you may plainly see, It's the mantle of your maidenhead That I would have from thee. He's taken her by the milk-white hand, And by the leylan sleeve, He's lain her down upon her back And asked no man's leave. Now since you've lain me down young man You must take me up again, And since you've had your will on me, Come tell to me your name. Some call me Jim, some call me John, Begad it's all the same, But when I'm in the king's high court Erwilian is my name. She being a good scholar She's spelt it over again, "Erwilian, that's a Latin word, But Willy is your name." Now when he heard his name pronounced, He mounted his high horse, She's belted up her petticoat And followed with all her force. He rode and she ran A long summer day, Until they came by the river That's commonly called the Tay. "The water it's too deep my love, I'm afraid you cannot wade," But afore he'd ridden his horse well in She was on the other side. She went up to the king's high door, She knocked and she went in, Said, "One of your chancellors robbed me, And he's robbed me right and clean." "Has he robbed you of your mantle? Has he robbed you of your ring? "No he's robbed me of my maidenhead And another I can't find." "If he be a married man Then hang-ed he shall be, And if he be a single man He shall marry thee. This couple they got married, They live in Huntly town, She's the Earl of Airlie's daughter, And he's the blacksmith's son. |
Subject: RE: Add: Child #110 Knight & Shepherd's Daughter From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Nov 02 - 01:36 AM Here's the entry from the Traditional Ballad Index. -Joe Offer- Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter, The [Child 110]DESCRIPTION: A knight, drunk, lies with a shepherd's daughter. She goes to the king's castle and calls for justice. With the king's help, she finds the culprit. The king orders the knight to marry her; he laments his fate. (She reveals that she is richer than he.)AUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1769 (Percy); title mentioned 1656 (stationer's register; tune from "The Dancing Master," 1652) KEYWORDS: marriage betrayal trial royalty seduction rape knight FOUND IN: Britain(England(All),Scotland(Aber)) US(NE,SE) Canada(Mar) Ireland REFERENCES (12 citations): Child 110, "The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter" (16 texts) Bronson 110, "The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter" (24 versions, though the last three are variants on each other and of dubious authenticity) Percy/Wheatley III, pp. 76-80, "The Knight, and Shepherd's Daughter" (1 text) Leach, pp. 315-320, "The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter" (2 texts) Friedman, p. 150, "The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter" (1 text) Sharp-100E 3, "The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter" (1 text, 1 tune) Niles 40, "The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter" (1 text, 1 tune) DBuchan 32, "The Knight and Shepherd's Daughter" (1 text) Huntington-Whalemen, pp. 185-186, "The Shepherd's Daughter" (1 text, 1 tune) Chappell/Wooldridge I, p. 289, "The Shepherd's Daughter" (1 tune, called "Parson Upon Dorothy" in Chappell's sources) BBI, ZN2533, "There was a Shepherd's daughter" DT 110, SHEPDAU * SHEPDAU2 SHEPDAU3* SHEPDAU4* SHEPDAU5* RECORDINGS: John Strachan, "The Royal Forester (The Knight and the Shepherd's Daughter" (on FSB5, FSBBAL2) CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "Haselbury Girl, The (The Maid of Tottenham, The Aylesbury Girl)" ALTERNATE TITLES: Knight William and the Shepherd's Daughter The Shepherd's Daughter and the King Eywillian Notes: What might be a fragment of this ballad is found in John Fletcher and Francis Beaumont's 1611 play "The Knight of the Burning Pestle", Act II, scene viii: He set her on a milk-white steed, And himself upon a gray; He never turned his face again But he bore her quite away. Of course, it might be a fragment of "Lady Isabel" or "The Baffled Knight" or several other ballads as well. - RBW File: C110 Go to the Ballad Search form The Ballad Index Copyright 2002 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. In this thread (click), Robinia said she thought there was a longer thread on this song. I looked all around and couldn't find one. Are there other threads on this song that I should add to the crosslinks? -Joe Offer-
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Subject: RE: Review: Knight and Shepherd's Daughter From: robinia Date: 04 Nov 02 - 10:19 PM Hey, doesn't anyone remember this thread. I don't think I was hallucinating..... and you mudcatters are usually so quick on the draw.... Still hoping, robinia |
Subject: Review: Knight and Shepherd's Daughter From: robinia Date: 04 Nov 02 - 02:49 PM There was a flurry of postings a while back on this ballad -- but more recently than Nov. 2000, which is all I've been able to get from a forum search. Does anyone recall the later thread? It's relevant to my very different "take" on the song; for more on this, click here. |
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: KNIGHT WILLIAM and ROYAL FORESTER... From: Snuffy Date: 12 Nov 00 - 10:19 AM There are 5 versions of Child #110 (The Knight and The Shepherd's Daughter) in the Digital Tradition Database already, but are blessed with only one tune between them. Numbers 1 and 2 have been commercially recorded, by John & Tony and by Norman Kennedy respectively; 3 and 4 are from the ballad collections of Buchan and Percy, respectively, while #5 was collected by Sharp. Here are another five, each with its own tune:
KNIGHT WILLIAMIt's of a shepherd's daughter dearKeeping sheep all on the plain; Who should ride by but Knight William, And he's got drunk by wine. With me right fal-lal-al diddle-al-day Well, he has mounted off his horse And quickly laid her down. And when he's had his will of her He rose her up again. With me right etc. Since you have had your will of me, Pray tell to me your name, So when our dear little babe is born, I might call him the same. "Sometimes they call me Jack", he said "Sometimes they call me John; But when I am at the King's high court They call me Knight William." He's put his foot all in the stirrup, And away he then did ride. She tied a handkerchief around her waist, And followed at the horse's side. She's run till she come to the river brink, She fell on her belly and swam. And when she came to the other side She took to her heels and she ran. She run till she come to the King's high court, She's knocke-ed and she's ring There's none so ready as the King himself To let this fair maid in. "Good morn to you, fair maid", he said. "Good morn, kind Sir", said she. "Have you a knight all in your court, This day have robb-ed me?" "Well, have he robbed you of your gold? Or any of your store? Or have he robbed you of your gold ring You wear on your little finger?" "Well, he ain't robbed me of me gold, Or any of me store. But he's robbed me of my maidenhead, Which grieves my heart full sore." "Well, if he be a married man, Then hang-ed he shall be. But if he be a single man, Then his body I will give to thee." The King has call-ed all his men, By one, by two, by three; Knight William used to be the foremost man, But now all behind comes he. "Oh curs-ed be the very hour That I got drunk by wine For to have a shepherd's daughter dear To be a true lover of mine." "Well, if you think me a shepherd's daughter Leave to me alone. If you make me lady of a thousand men I'll make you lord of ten." So then these two to church they went, And then small things was done. She appeared like some Duke's daughter And him like a squire's son. CHILD #110 Recorded by The Young Tradition on So Cheerfully Round 1967.
MIDI file: KNGHTWIL.MID Timebase: 480 Tempo: 140 (428571 microsec/crotchet) This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X: 172
ROYAL FORESTERI am a forester of this land, as you can plainly seeIt's the matter of your maidenhead that I would have from thee With me rue-rum-rorrity, Rye-rum-rorrity Rye-so-orrity-an He's taken her by the milk white hand and by the linen sleeve He's lain her down upon her back and ask-ed no man's leave "Now since you've lain me down, young man, you must take me up again, And since you've had your will to me, come tell to me your name." "Some call me Jim, some call me John, begad, it all the same But when I'm in the King's high court Erwilian is my name." She being a good scholar she spelled it o'er again. "Erwilian, that's a Latin word, but Willie is your name." Now when he heard his name pronounced, he mounted his high horse She belted up her petticoat and followed wi' all her force He rode and she ran a long summer day Until they came to the river that's commonly called the Tay "The water it's too deep, my love, I'm afraid you cannot wade." But afore he'd ridden his horse well in, she was on the other side. She went up to the King's high door, she knocked, and she went in Said "One of your chancellors' robb-ed me, and he's robbed me right and clean." "Has he robbed you of your mantle, has he robbed you of your ring?" "No he's robbed me of my maidenhead, and another I cannot find." "Then if he be a married man, hang-ed he shall be, And if he be a single man, he shall marry thee." This couple they got married, they live in Huntly town, She's the Earl of Airlie's daughter and he's a blacksmith's son. Child #110 Recorded by Steeleye Span on Below the Salt 1972. MIDI file: ROYALFOR.MID Timebase: 480 Tempo: 200 (300000 microsec/crotchet) This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X: 173 THE SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER It's of a shepherd's daughter, |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Royal Forester and Little Begger Man From: lamarca Date: 14 Sep 99 - 05:34 PM Jeff, Welcome! If you're new to Mudcat, try plugging in a keyword from the song you're looking for into the DigiTrad Search box first to see if the words are in the HUGE Digital Tradition database - I pulled these with the words "forester" and "beggarman". If you don't find what you're looking for there, call in the cavalry on the discussion line! Here is a version of the ballad "KNIGHT AND SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER", but not necessarily the one that Steeleye Span recorded. Maddy Prior and Tim Hart tend to edit the ballads they perform. And THE BEGGARMAN'S SONG (JOHNNY DHU) is one version of "Little Beggarman".
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Subject: Royal Forester and Little Begger Man From: jeff.kennedy@natdecsys.com Date: 14 Sep 99 - 05:07 PM I have been scouring the net for the lyrics to these 2 songs. I finally found one (and I mean only one) reference to Royal Forester at the Steeleye Span site but no lyrics. I still have not found even a reference to Little Beggar Man. Anyone have these lyrics? Thanks |
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