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BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2

mousethief 16 Nov 00 - 02:14 PM
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Subject: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 02:14 PM

Old thread was getting pretty full. Here's a new one.

Alex
O..O
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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 02:37 PM

Chad drift - if you've been wondering about the word, here's a suggestion I found on a link from The Guardian(London):

The New Hacker Hacker's Dictionary explains a possible origin for the word chad:
One correspondent believes chad ... derives from the Chadless keypunch (named for its inventor), which cut little u-shaped tabs in the card to make a hole when the tab folded back, rather than punching out a circle/rectangle; it was clear that if the Chadless keypunch didn't make them, then the stuff that other keypunches made had to be `chad'

Alternatively could it be anything to do with the graffiti character who appeared on walls all over Britain during the war, complaining about shortgaes, who was universally known as Chad. "Wot no ..." he'd say, a little round half circle with crosses for eyes on a line representing the wall he was supposed to be loooking over. "Wot, no President?" he might be saying now.


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Troll
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 03:32 PM

McGrath. You are correct in saying that Bush did not go to Viet Nam. He was A fighter pilot in the Texas Air National Guard and, as such, was subject to call with his whloe unit. I worked with men and women who were in the National Guard who WERE called up for Desert Storm. On e of them was gone for nearly a year, guarding Iraqui POW's.
Al Gore went to Viet Nam as a journalist. He was rarely, if ever near the front lines because no officer was going to let the "Senators Kid" get dusted. He did his tour and came home. Like a lot of others he rarely even HEARD gunfire, let alone got shot at.
Just setting the record straight.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: MMario
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 03:40 PM

Hmmmmmm - MoH? I thought the little guy's name was "Kilroy". Leastwise that what my folks and their WWII friends always told me.


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 04:07 PM

Yes, Troll, but you're comparing apples and oranges. At the time of the Gulf War, the army was 100% volunteer, and the whole way of looking at deployment had changed from Vietnam Days (when we had a draft) to a model where reserve units were to be used as an integral part of the working forces. In contrast, how many reserve units were called up during VietNam? Bush was perfectly safe from enemy gunfire.

On the other hand, Gore was actually in a war-torn country and the building he was typing from could have been sabotaged or blown up at any time. More than one non-combatant was killed in Vietnam, as I'm sure you know. True he wasn't in combat, but neither was Bush so that's moot. He was in harm's way far more so than Dubya, who was goofing off, flying fun planes on our tax dollar (then skipping out of his reserve commitment afterwards), while Gore was in a very dangerous place, even if his particular duties weren't dangerous in and of themselves.

The only danger Dubya was subject to was his own incompetence. Hmm. I take it back. He was in grave danger the whole time he was in the air.

tongue in cheekily,
Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 05:00 PM

Bush had a nice sense of timing, didn't he? The point was, he backed that war all the way, except when it came to risking his own body. That's cowardice.

Maybe it was a kind of cowardice for someone like Gore who was against the war to allow hinmself to be part of it, but it's a different kind of cowardice, if that's what it was, and you can read it as a kind of courage too.

I can't imagine any reading of it that would mean Bush doesn't have a yellow streak running down his back - and his efforts these last few days confirm that. He's frit. Maybe he'll make it to the White House. But he's a lame duck already.


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: poet
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 05:52 PM

Chad was Home consumption (a civilian) using the British right to complain he was also sometimes funny.

Kilroy was beleived to be a service man abroad I heard some where that he was fist spotted in a toilet in Egypt.

Graham (Guernsey)


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 06:27 PM

I copied this from another political thread I tried to start. Thanks, Mousethief, for the link. I guess some threads were born just to die young.

Watching George Dubbya rejecting out of hand Gore's "offer" last night, one thing became clear to me: regardless of how the eventual vote count goes, he knows that he didn't have the votes in Florida. Not until he started "working the phones" between 7:00 - 12:00. The networks kept saying that on election night. "The Bush campaign is working the phones in Florida. The candidate has been in contact with his brother, the governor of Florida and yadda-yadda. . ."

What the heck were the brother governors talking about? The polls were closed. There was no more "getting out the vote" to do. Was there? How could Jeb confidently tell his brother that Florida was his, at the same time that everyone else was willing to risk the embarassment of predicting otherwise. What the heck did Jeb know?

Let them count the votes. By hand. Let them take their time; we have until January. What's the point of a "recount" that is done exactly the same as the original count that you're questioning? And if you're going to recount some votes in Florida (which is what the law said), recount them all. And forget all this bushwa about "hanging chad, pregnant chad, dented chad, etc.". If the hole is poked it counts, if not, it doesn't. All this "divining the intent of the voter" is a bunch of hooey.

It's not that hard to poke a d*mn hole in a d*mn ballot. And once a voter has done that his or her vote should be counted. Fairly. No matter how long that takes. Country's not going anywhere. Bill will keep the lights on and the furnace going at 1600 Pennsylvania, even if Hill is gone to New York New York.

There is no point, at this time, in doing anything else. George W. Bush (or Al Gore, for that matter - wouldn't it be a riot if the oversea votes turned the count around?) should not assume the presidency under the cloud of a disputed election, decided by a few hundred votes. Nothing good can come from that.

I said in another post that I was through with the political stuff. But I changed my vote.

Let's keep the discussion civil. Everyone have a wonderful day.

Bart a/k/a Sybil


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 07:14 PM

You can tell that politicians are lying because their lips are moving - DON'T VOTE - IT ONLY ENCOURAGES THIS


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 07:45 PM

McGrath- I like your style! But, please, what's 'frit'? Assuming it's not a typo, it's not a word we use or are familiar with.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST,Bob S.
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 08:03 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST,Bob S.
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 08:22 PM

The prime-time candidate

Gore's Gulf War vote hinged on key TV slot

by Alan Simpson

Denver Rocky Mountain News, Sunday, September 3, 2000, page 5B

Al Gore's new campaign ad is running across the country now and says he is "fighting for us." But the true story of his Gulf War vote in January 1991 says he is usually fighting for Al. Here is the inside story of what happened.

The Gulf War vote was pretty serious business. I can't think of anyone who didn't have a lump in his or her throat while weighing the situation: 500,000 Americans troops already deployed; Saddam Hussein promising the "mother of all battles"; most "experts" predicting heavy American losses.

The choice was not an easy one. Senators with combat experience on both sides of the aisle were on both sides of the issue. Some Democrats openly supported the measure; some Republicans openly opposed it. And vice versa.

The seriousness of the situation called for open, honest debate. No deal-making. No cajoling. No politics. Just an honest discussion, followed by an honest vote of conscience by each senator. As Republican whip, I worked with the Republican leader, Bob Dole, and the Democratic leaders, George Mitchell and Sam Nunn, to schedule the debate. As Republicans, Bob and I were responsible for scheduling time to speak for senators who supported the war. As Democrats, George and Sam were responsible for scheduling time to speak for those who opposed the war.

The night before this monumental debate, I sat in the Republican cloakroom with Sen. Dole. The mood was somber. The tension was palpable. We were on the verge of sending troops to war. Our national credibility was on the .line. Would America stand up to tyranny and aggression in the Middle East? This was not some issue to be taken lightly.

As Bob and I discussed the debate schedule for the next day, a senator walked into our cloakroom and asked to speak to us. The senator's appearance and request surprised Bob and me. It surprised us because the senator was a Democrat, coming to ask for a favor. Who was that man?

It was Tennessee Sen. Al Gore Jr.

Sen. Gore got right to the point: "How much time will you give me if I support the president?" In layman's terms, Gore was asking how much debate time we would be willing to give him to speak on the floor if he voted with us.

"How much time will the Democrats give you?" Sen. Dole asked in response.

"Seven minutes," came the droning response.

I'll give you 15 minutes," Sen. Dole said.

"And I'll give you five of mine, so you can have 20 minutes," I offered. Gore seemed pleased, but made no final commitment, promising only to think it over.

Sen., Gore played hard to get. He had received his time. But now he wanted prime time. And Sen. Dole and I knew it.

After Sen. Gore left, Sen. Dole asked Howard Greene, the Republican Senate secretary, to call Gore's office and promise that he would try to schedule Gore's 20 minutes during prime time, thus ensuring plenty of coverage in the news cycle.

Later that night, Sen. Gore called Greene and asked if Sen. Dole had scheduled him for a prime-time speaking slot. When Greene said nothing had been finalized yet, Gore erupted, "Damnit, Howard! If I don't get 20 minutes tomorrow I'm going to vote the other way."

The following day, Gore arrived on the Senate floor with, I always thought, two speeches in hand. Gore was still waiting to see which side - Republicans or Democrats - would offer him the most and the best speaking time. Sen. Dole immediately asked the Senate to increase the amount of speaking time for both sides. I believe only then, after Gore realized we were asking for more time to make room for him on our side, that he finally decided to support the resolution authorizing the use of force to drive Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait.

It brings me no joy to recount the events leading up to the Gulf War vote.

It isn't something I wanted to do. But it is something I have to do.

I was there.

I have to set the record straight because the Gore campaign is now running an ad proclaiming that Gore "broke with his own party to support the Gulf War." In reality, it's much close to the truth to say he broke for the cameras to support the Gulf War.

And I have to set the record straight because the Gulf war vote was far too important an issue to fall victim to politics and repulsive revisionism.

It was a moment of challenge, and sadly, Al Gore as not up to it.

As a member of the united states Senate for 18 years, I saw many senators show their stuff when times got tough.

And, sadly, I saw some who failed to rise to the occasion.

In January 1991, Al Gore put politics over principle.

Alan Simpson


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST,Bob S.
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 08:26 PM

The official white house web site2 biography of Vice President Al Gore puts a gloss on Mr. Gore's seven years of non-political, post college, life to an extent that would get most people fired in the private sector, and many in government would face perjury charges if they signed employment applications as disingenuous as this biography:

"...After graduation, he volunteered for enlistment in the U.S. Army and served in Viet Nam. Returning to civilian life, Vice President Gore became an investigative reporter with the Tennessean in Nashville. He attended Vanderbuilt University Divinity School and Vanderbuilt Law School."

Mr. Gore's official campaign website3, is equally delusive. It claims Gore, "enlisted" in the Army on August 25, 1969. That he was "assigned" to the Ft. Rucker (Alabama) USA Av school as an "information officer". That he went to Viet Nam in January of 1971, "assigned" to an engineer brigade, that he was honorably discharged "and return[ed] home from Vietnam."

Then Gore claims he settled in Nashville and began working as reporter and attending Divinity School and later Law School. As a reporter, during this period the young Gore claims to have "broken" a story about local city council corruption. End of Story. Again, seven important, formative and revealing years glossed over in a few glib sentences.

Is America entitled to know the true and complete facts of Gore's self-styled "army" and "growing" years, the only period in Gore's adult life when he was not openly running for, or holding, elective office in Congress, the Senate or the White House and which therefore might reveal more about the character of our potential president than the cautious and contrived posturing of a lifelong, professional politician?

Regrettably America's media, despite its frequent unsubstantiated speculations about personal failings of two-term Texas Governor Bush who actually holds a graduate degree from a major university and has significant non-political accomplishments to his credit, has been notoriously lax in examining Gore's auto-mythology such as his recently released (8/22/00) campaign commerical that describes this part of Mr. Gore's life with the euphamistic theme of "principled fighter", and which ad repeats Gore's mantra by which he 'covers' his military service, that he, "enlisted in the Army" and later "came home from Viet Nam.", where in fact Gore flew a typewriter, while George W. Bush was flying F-102's for the Texas ANG.

From published4 but not widely circulated reports the following details, which measurably alter the meaning and significigance of the Gore resume claims, have been credibly recorded about Mr. Gore's early years:

Military Service

The Enlistment:

Gore graduated from Havard "cum laude" majoring in 'Goverment' in the troubled Spring of 1969, after having switched from an early major in English, in which field he had floundered. His remarkably unprofound senior thesis at Harvard was on the influence of television on natonal politics. As soon as he graduated his student draft deferment expired, and to the dismay of many at Harvard, graduate school deferments had been cancelled two years earlier. Thus, throughout the summer of 1969 the politically ambitious Gore was draft classification 1-A, he was in the parlance of the time, 'draft-bait.' The evidence is that with both his future political ambitions and his father's (US Senator Al Gore Sr. D-Tenn) political fortunes clearly in mind and subject to intense, if subtle, pressure from his family not to undermine his father's re-election prospects in a socially conservative state, Gore, facing the draft anyway, elected to "enlist", under duress, for a two year term which he did not in fact ultimately serve in its entirety.

It is credibly reported and published that prior to embarking on military service, that a friend of his politically influential father, ultimately with Gore's knowledge and consent, intervened with no less a senior commander than Gen. William Westmoreland, himself, to ascertain the best "career path" for the young Gore. Not surprisingly, Gore thereafter became one of the remarkably rare two year enlistees to be 'fortuitously' offerred his first choice of military career assignment, as a reporter, notwithstanding his failure to master his original academic major that most related to the duties of his chosen military specialty. Gore incredibly claims a lieutenant at the end of the admissions process looked over his test results and resume and spontaneously and solely on his own judgement determined Gore's military specialty.

This choice and remarkably safe job classification, during what was essentially wartime, also came, however, following Gore's falsification of his work experience on his military enlistment application. During college, Gore had worked one summer in the offices of the NY Times newspaper with the union classification of "office boy". At best his errand running might have been legitimately characterized as "copy boy". Gore, in his quest for the safe and undemanding assignment as a military reporter, embellished (not for the last time in his life) this experience into a mythical stint as "newsman trainee" for the Times.

After completing basic training, Gore managed to skip the rigorous advanced military training virtually all regular recriuts undergo folloing basic, and was shipped off to a facility in Alabama where he joined a staff of military "reporters" whose duties were indisputably insignificant and barely, if at all, above the level of typist. Gore characterizes this assignment as serving as an "information officer". He was of course merely a private and not an officer, but that did not prevent Gen. Westmoreland who was touring the facility one day from unexplainedly noticing Gore from a distance and then hailing Gore and holding a ten minute private conversation with Private Gore, the details of which remain mysterious even today but make sense if you beleive the reports that Gore family friends co-ordinated his career with the General before enlistment.

Gore late in his enlistment ultimately did go to Vietnam. No one disputes that he calculated and weighed carefully the impact on his future career prospects of being able to say he served in Viet Nam,. Gore after all was from the southern, conservative, "volunteer' State of Tennessee. In 1970, it still would have been political suicide for a person with Tenessee political ambitions to shirk military service or to be shown or believed to have 'pulled strings' to avoid a combat zone. Something like 2.2 million Americans served in Viet Nam. Virtually all of them, once assigned there, were required to serve a full one-year tour of duty before returning home. Many Vietnam servicemen did not serve in combat. Most servicemen had to take their chances as to what level of danger their assignments exposed them to in Vietnam. Gore is reported to have arrived in Vietnam on January 8, 1971, he was assigned as a reporter/journalist/typist to an engineering batallion at a large military base near Saigon. No one who served with him reports or describes any meaningful exposure to the hazards of war in that largely uneventful, even tedious, assignment.

In later political campaigns and statements and as recently as 1988 Gore, however, claimed to have been 'shot at' and seen others "cut in half by machine gun fire". These are lies. Gore never saw combat. During his four and one - half months of Vietnam service (which is often reported in the press as six-months, if the duration of his overseas service is mentioned at all) and not excluding the one week of R & R he somehow obtained in Hong Kong, Gore spent a total of one nervous night in a combat zone in a foxhole on an evening when nothing happened. His duties were insignificant, even trivial. He was informally assigned a bodyguard and chaperone to keep him out of danger, though no one can prove Gore was aware that these duties had been assigned to his "partner". Gore returned from Vietnam on May 22, 1971, after barely 18 weeks including the week in Hong Kong, and after applying for early release from the Army, which he obtained, getting out more than two months short of his full two year enlistment. On the whole, his tour in Vietnam was short and less dangerous than teaching school for a semester in, say, Cleveland. As with most of Gore's life it allowed him to make and overstate self-inflating, inferential claims of service, duty fulfillment, and high purpose, while accomplishing and doing little, while enjoying the fruits of privilege and influence, and in order to drape himself in the mantle of responsibility and maturity, which to the best anyone can tell, are ill fitting when worn by Mr. Gore. Like most of Gore's life his Army and Vietnam experiences were really merely an exercise in role playing.


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: MarkS
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 08:40 PM

Troll - The Gore "tour" in Vietnam was 5 months. I do not know how his tour was cut shorter than the 12 months which I and everybody else who did not come home in a box or an ambulance served.

Mousethief - The biggest hazard Gore faced during his 5 months in country was a dose of clap from a Tu Do Street Taxi Girl. A school crossing guard in an inner city area works under greater risk.

Sorry one and all, but this just pushes one of my hot buttons
MarkS


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 08:42 PM

Anyone who's still talking about America's "Electile Dysfunction" might enjoy this cartoon from The Guardian [UK].


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 08:58 PM

In gratitude for his dad's buying him out of the draft & active service, Dubya couldn't even be bothered to show up for Guard duty for most of his "service". For an entire year he was supposed to be flying planes he was off doing political work. A link was posted to an article detailing his Guard record in the forum here a while back- if I can dig it up, I'll re-post it. The man is a sleaze, in addition to being a coward.


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST,Petr
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 09:13 PM

Hey Bob S. how do you respond to the Republicans refusal of Gore's suggestion of total manual state recount. (Isnt that what you were pushing?)


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: kendall
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 10:16 PM

Thats quite a history on Gore..now, can you dig up something worthwhile that Dubbya did? His arrests for Drunk and disorderly, his arrest for stealing and his arrest for OUI dont count. The fact remains that Gore was in a country at war, and could have been shot or bombed. Dubbya, was bombed alright, but, did he ever sober up enough to fly? And, what danger was he in? stepping on a Texas rattler?


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Amos
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 10:59 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Wolfgang
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 04:08 AM

Jim Dixon,

thanks for that! Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST,Bob S
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 06:47 AM

The Bush people are not handling the PR very well. This will probably be their undoing.

As one pundit remarked if Daley's father had been Gore's point man, the whole thing would have been decided last week.

Bob S.


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 07:26 AM

Anyone who opposed the Vietnam war and resisted it is to be admired. Anyone who opposed it and found a way of getting out of it is to be respected, and so are those who went there even if they didn't think it was a "just war"

Those who supported the Vietnam war and went there are also to be respected and maybe admired, especially if they had a possibility of getting out of it. Even those who got involved in committing war crimes out there are maybe more to be pitied than anything, with the main guilt lying higher up, with those who put them in that suituation.

But anyone who actively supported the Vietnam War and found a way of keeping themselves out of it - well. that's something different. I'd have thought that cobntempt for George Bush would be something on which Vietnam vets and Vietnam war resisters would be in full agreement. Well, I believe he said he wanted to bring the country together...


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Ringer
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 08:01 AM

"Frit" = frightened.

A term made famous by Maggie Thatcher who, having had a disastrous start to her first term as Prime Minister, became the Nation's heroine after we won the Falklands War. Accused by Denis Healey (one of the Opposition leaders in the House of Commons) of "cutting and running" when she called an early General Election on the basis of her sudden popularity, she riposted the he was "frightened, frightened, frit".

It's a dialect form of the word, used throughout the English Midlands. She was born in Grantham, a little town only a dozen miles from the village where I grew up. When I was a child, it was a familiar taunt: "Yah: frit!", and she, presumably was equally familiar with it, and reverted to childhood expressions in the excitement of the cut & thrust of Commons debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: mousethief
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 12:11 PM

Mark S: "The biggest hazard Gore faced during his 5 months in country was a dose of clap from a Tu Do Street Taxi Girl. A school crossing guard in an inner city area works under greater risk."

Oh. Nobody ever got bombed in a civilian building in war-torn Vietnam? No planes were ever shot down? (I assume he didn't swim there.) No reporters died AT ALL? No civilians were killed? No non-combatants were killed? Your hatred for Gore (or is it displaced hatred for Clinton?) has clouded your thinking.

Whether a school crossing guard has greater or lesser risk is irrelevant, because we weren't comparing Gore to a school crossing guard, but to Dubya. Fact is, Gore went to a country at war, which is always a dangerous thing to do, regardless of whether slanderous Republicans acknowledge it or not. Bush stayed home and played junior pilot, when he was sober enough to. Gore was at greater risk in his military service than Bush during his pseudo-military "service" (much of which he skipped out on anyway).

Sorry that this bothers you. But we can't change the past.

Alex
O..O
=o=


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 12:50 PM

Bill "Spaceman" Lee, former major league pitcher (and generally funny guy) has told some reporters that he and Dubbya twisted up and smoked a few doobies together a few years back. Maybe something good would come out of a Bush presidency? Nah, the country is still not ready for true reform of the drug laws. But if it took a Republican presidency to open up China . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: MarkS
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 08:51 PM

Mousethief: Military service as a qualification for the presidency is irevelant and immaterial whether your choice is Gore or Bush. My candidate of choice (as you will likely remember from earlier threads) never served in the military at all.
My gripe with Gore is that he and his syncophants trumpet his limited and sheltered service and compare it to service by others. In my unit by the Cambodian border we had a name for such as him - REMFs. The RE stands for Rear Eshelon, and the MF you can figure out for yourself.
The fact that reporters, civilians, and non-combatants died is also irrevelant. That happens every day in Harlem and Watts. Ergo my remark about the inner city school crossing guard.
Look - I'm not trying to pick a personal fight here. But if you want to proclaim military service as a qualifying resume item, it ought to mean more than a glorified walk in the sunny tropics.
MarkS


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: Troll
Date: 17 Nov 00 - 10:18 PM

MarkS. Damn right!Al Gore has played up his military service and cast himself as a patriot who answered his countries call.
But, to give him credit, at least he did his time, unlike some cowardly bastards who left the country rather than take a chance on being drafted.
I asked one of those once in a college class why he didn't stay and fight the war if he was so much against it. Turns out he wasn't against he war. If he had been drafted, it would have put him two years behind others of his age in the job market. So, off he went to school in Canada.
I remember reading stories about how Clinton led anti-war rallies in England while a student there. Gore said he was PROUD to call Bill Clinton his friend.

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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST,Frankham
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 09:54 PM

Interesting backgound story about Al Gore from Bob S. Sounds like a promotional brochure from Rush Limbaugh. What are your sources Bob?

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 09:57 PM

It would seem that exaggeration in American politics is an American tradition. Remember all the famous "war stories" by Ronald Reagan who saw action in Hollywood?

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: INCOMPETENTS part 2
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 05:05 PM

The Americans who were responsible for the anti-war rallies in England weren't people like Clinton. They were people like LBJ and Nixon.


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