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Lyr Req: Goodbye Liza Jane

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Subject: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Nathan Sarvis (nsarvis@tenet.edu)
Date: 08 Sep 97 - 10:15 PM

Looking for lyrics to this fiddle tune. I think there are probably floating verses, and I think this has "floated" into other tunes--I found "Shiloh" with the phrase "Goodbye Liza Jane" in the chorus, but assume that was borrowed from the fiddle tune. Any help is appreciated.


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Subject: Lyr Add: L'IL LIZA JANE
From: Gene
Date: 09 Sep 97 - 12:12 AM

Here's a few verses I have collected...

L'IL LIZA JANE

I've got a gal and you've got none, l'il Liza Jane
I've got a gal that calls me [hon], l'il Liza Jane.

CHORUS: Oh Eliza, l'il Liza Jane; Oh Eliza, l'il Liza Jane.

Liza Jane done come to me; l'll Liza Jane
We're as happy as we can be; l'il Liza Jane.

Come my love and live with me; l'il Liza Jane
I will take good care of thee; l'il Liza Jane.

Get a house and lot in Baltimore; l'il Liza Jane
Lots of children runnin' out the door; l'il Liza Jane.

More verses to: L'IL LIZA JANE

I know a gal that I adore, l'il Liza Jane.
'Way down south in Baltimore, l'il Liza Jane.

CHORUS: Oh, Eliza, l'il Liza Jane.; Oh, Eliza, l'il Liza Jane.

Down where she lives, the posies grow; l'il Liza Jane.
Chickens 'round the kitchen do' (door); l'il Liza Jane.

I wouldn't care how far we roam; l'il Liza Jane.
Where she's at is home sweet home; l'il Liza Jane..

HTML line breaks added. --JoeClone, 9-Jun-02.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: OldTimer
Date: 09 Sep 97 - 03:06 PM

Goodbye Liza Jane is different tune from L'il Liza Jane. I know GLJ as an instrumental and can't remember hearing any lyrics- though surely someone has put some to it. I have heard a song with a different name put to the same tune as GLJ, and if I can think of it I will put it up for you Nathan.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOODBYE, LIZA JANE^^
From: Barry
Date: 09 Sep 97 - 03:58 PM

GOOD-BY LIZA JANE (according to sandbag/songburg) was a minstrel song, traveling the mid west circus route on the program for Rutledge & Rogers.

Our horse fell down the well around behind the stable (2x)
Well he didn't fall clear down but he fell, fell, fell, fell, fell, fell,
As far as he was able. Oh it's good-by Liza Jane

Our goose swallowed a snail, & his eyes stuck out with wonder (2x)
For the horns grew through his tail, tail, tail, tail, tail, tail,
And bust it all asunder. Oh it's good-by Liza Jane.

My gal crossed the bridge, so she wouldn't get her feet wet (2x)
Well she didn't cross the bridge, but she (would 6x)
But the bridge it wasn't built yet. Oh it's good-by Liza Jane.

There are a couple of other Liza Janes: Liza Jane, Liza In The Summertime (or She Died On The Train) both dealing with a chorus of dead Lizas, then there's Mountain Top, I've also heard it as a fast reel, but never heard it done as well as the one Gene has above done by the Manhaden Chanteymen.
Barry

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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Dale Rose
Date: 09 Sep 97 - 04:46 PM

After reading the first two comments, I went to dig through my records to find Goodbye Liza Jane by Charlie Poole, and Miss Lisa, Poor Gal by the Tenneva Ramblers. By the time I had dug them out, Barry had added his comment. I have located them, and am in the process of transcribing them right now. For those of you who know Charlie Poole, you know what a chore that can be. The words are totally different than those found by Barry. BRB


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOODBYE, LIZA JANE
From: Dale Rose
Date: 09 Sep 97 - 05:33 PM

This is from County lp 516 The Legend Of Charlie Poole This was widely available at one time, and you might still find a copy or a cassette somewhere. County has issued two CDs of his material, but did not include this song. Despite listening intently many times, there are a few words that still defy my attempts to figure them out. I have put ? by those I am unsure of, and ???? where whole words are beyond me.
There are extended fiddle breaks in the song. I will put up Miss Liza, Poor Gal later.

Goodbye Liza Jane
Looka here Liza, listen to me,
You're not the gal that you promised to be,
Didn't you say you'd always be true?
You went out driving (with) Mr. Brown,
I am the laughing stock of the town.
People said to never trust you.

Chorus:
Though I'll be ???? babe, I'm a gonna go,
I was a good man while I had the dough,
So it's good bye, Miss Liza, I'm going to leave you.
You know when I go, I'm the fellow with the dough, dough, dough.
So sing a little song, travel along, yes, travel along,
Bid you good day, babe, I'm on the way.
Goodbye, sweet Liza Jane.

Give me here my gold watch and chain,
Give me your umbrella, said it might rain,
Give me the clothes that I paid for too.
Dive? in the trunk, and hand me them things.
Give me here my diamond ring
And give Mr. Brown the dress you all ????

Chorus, then repeat last five lines of chorus, substituting sweet for little


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Subject: Lyr Add: MISS LIZA, POOR GAL
From: Dale Rose
Date: 10 Sep 97 - 12:57 AM

The whole Liza Jane family of songs could probably make a good thesis. Here is another great old Liza song~~Miss Liza, Poor Gal as done by the Tenneva Ramblers on August 4, 1927. If the date sounds familiar, it is because that was the date of the famous Bristol sessions. The Tenneva Ramblers and Jimmie Rodgers were preparing to record, but they had a disagreement over whether to call the group the Tenneva Ramblers or the Jimmie Rodgers Entertainers. I guess you could say that the Ramblers "won" that little battle, but Jimmie Rodgers went in to record by himself, and the rest, as they say, is history. This is taken from the album, The Tenneva Ramblers, Puritan 3001, released in 1972. Your chances of finding a copy are slim, but if you do find one, it is worth the effort, as it contains some fine old time songs.

Miss Liza, Poor Gal

Oh, Miss Liza, poor gal, oh, miss Liza Jane,
Oh, Miss Liza, poor gal, ?too late to catch the train?.

I went to see Miss Liza, Miss Liza wasn't at home,
Her old man took the broomstick and dragged it o'er my bones.

That's it. repeat it as many times as you feel like it. The song is primarily a fiddle/banjo piece, with instrumental breaks after every two lines. Their version repeats the first two lines four times, and the second two lines three times. As far as the too late to catch the train phrase is concerned, I am pretty certain that is not right, but even after more than 20 years of listening to the song, I still can't tell. I guess this could qualify for mistakes made while listening to songs.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Dale Rose
Date: 10 Sep 97 - 01:00 AM

Correction for Goodbye Liza Jane. Chorus substitution should be sweet for Miss, not little. I meant to add that to the previous post. Oh well, it didn't take you all that much longer to read them both.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Ferrara
Date: 10 Sep 97 - 11:46 AM

Any chance that you could be looking for the song with this chorus:

Goin' down to Cairo, goodbye, goodbye,
Goin' down to Cairo, goodbye Liza Jane.
Black them boots and make 'em shine, goodbye,goodbye.
Black them boots and make 'em shine, goodbye Liza Jane.

It's on the "Two by Four" album by Phil Cooper and Margaret Nelson. I don't know the fiddle tune, can't say if it's the same song. If you think it might be, I'll type it in. I'd have to look up my (handwritten) transcription, there are lots of verses.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Nathan Sarvis
Date: 10 Sep 97 - 05:45 PM

Ferrara, I think that's the one I'm after. Dale's fits the chorus of the tune I know, but I can't seem to get any of the others to fit. Thanks to all contributors anyway; I'm enjoying all the variants.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Ferrara
Date: 18 Sep 97 - 03:48 AM

Hi. Nathan, I'm sorry I haven't found those words yet. I'm going to have to transcribe them again. That's fine -- now that you've reminded me of the song, I want to sing it again! It's a lot of fun. I promise -- I'll have it up by the end of the weekend.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOODBYE, LIZA JANE
From: rich r
Date: 18 Sep 97 - 11:45 PM

Here's a couple more versions to choose from:

I.

Scraping up sand in the bottom of the sea, Shiloh, Shiloh
Scraping up sand in the bottom of the sea, Shiloh, Liza Jane

CHORUS: Oh how I love her, Oh Liza Jane
Oh how I love her, Goodbye Liza Jane.

Black those shoes and make them shine, Shiloh, Shiloh etc.

A hump-back mule I'm bound to ride....

Hopped up a chicken and he flew upstairs...

II.

Liza up in the 'simmon tree, and the possum on the ground
Possum said, "You son of a gun, shake them 'simmons down."

CHORUS: Whoopee Liza, pretty little girl
Whoopee, Liza Jane.
Whoopee, Liza pretty little girl
She died on the train.

Cheeks are like the cherries, cherries like a rose.
How I like that pretty little girl, goodness gracious knows.

The old folks down in the mountains, grinding sugar cane.
Making barrels of molasses, for to sweeten old Liza Jane.

Whiskey by the gallon, sugar by the pound,
A great big bowl to put it in and Liza to stir it round.

I went to see my Liza Jane, she was standing in the door
Shoes and stockings in her hand and her feet all over the floor.

Her head is like a coffee pot, her nose is like a spout
Her mouth is like an old fireplace with the ashes all raked out.

I wouldn't marry a poor girl, I'll tell you the reason why.
She'd have so many poor kinfolks, she'd make my biscuits fly.

The hardest work I ever done, was a-brakin' on a train.
The easiest work I ever done, was huggin' little Liza Jane

The second version is from the singing of Bradley Kincaid. He was a professional entertainer who did mostly traditional based songs. He spent some time on the National Barn Dance and the Grand Ole Opry. This version is a blend of "Liza Jane" and "Possum Up a 'Simmon Tree" which were both minstrel songs. Note that many of the verses are not unique to "Liza Jane" but show up in versions of "Cindy" and "old Joe Clark". The second verse bears a resemblance to "Colorado Trail", and the fourth verse is similar to one in "Mary Anne". In the 1880's Eddie Cox, a minstrel show performer, published "Good-bye, Liza Jane" however he didn't claim any credit for writing it, just arranging it. In 1903 the Tin Pan Alley composer, Harry von Tilzer, published "Good-Bye, Eliza Jane" which was a different song altogether. In 1917 Cecil Sharp collected "Liza Anne" in Kentucky that also seems to blend Liza and the Piossum. Another version called "Liza Jane" was published in 1931 by Jean Thomas in a book "Devil's Ditties"
rich r

HTML line breaks added. --JoeClone, 9-Jun-02.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOING DOWN TO CAIRO
From: Ferrara
Date: 20 Sep 97 - 03:15 PM

OK, here's the version from Phil Cooper and Margaret Nelson.

GOING DOWN TO CAIRO

CHORUS:
Goin' down to Cairo (goodbye, goodbye)
Goin' down to Cairo (goodbye, Liza Jane)
Black them boots and make 'em shine, goodbye,goodbye
Black them boots and make 'em shine, goodbye, Liza Jane

1. Oh, how I love you, and ain't it a shame
Oh, how I love you (goodbye, Liza Jane)
Got no time to kiss you now, I'm sorry, sorry
Got no time to kiss you now, I'm sorry, Liza Jane.
(CHORUS)

2.She went up the new-made road, I went down the lane
Hung my foot on a hollow stump 'n out jumped Liza Jane
It's a rough old road and a sorry team,goodbye,goodbye
Rough old road and a sorry team, goodbye, Liza Jane
(CHORUS)

3. Saddle up the yellow mule, curry down his mane
Throw the bridle over his head, Let's go see Liza Jane
Got an old hat and it's got no rim(goodbye, goodbye)
Got an old hat and it's got no rim (goodbye Liza Jane)
(CHORUS)

4. Oh, I'm goin' to leave you (goodbye, goodbye)
Oh, I'm going to leave you (goodbye, Liza Jane)
But I'll be yours if you'll be mine (goodbye,goodbye)
I'll be yours if you'll be mine (goodbye, Liza Jane)
(CHORUS)


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Nathan Sarvis
Date: 20 Sep 97 - 04:17 PM

The "new made road" verse reminds me of one William A. Owens collected for "Sally Goodin" in his book "Tell me a story, sing me a song". Sal went up the public road I went up behind her; She stooped down to tie her shoe And I seen her sausage grinder. He relates how, at a gypsy show, the singer "left the ladies shocked and the men laughing" after singing only the first line, then leaving the stage, leaving the audience to fill in the rest with their imaginations.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Peter T.
Date: 20 Sep 97 - 04:58 PM

Just a note of thanks from a common citizen who can be of no help or assistance, but gee you guys are doing a hell of a lot of work. What a pleasure to read your contributions. Thanks again. Yours, Peter


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Peter T.
Date: 20 Sep 97 - 05:06 PM

Just a note of thanks from a common citizen who can be of no help or assistance, but gee you guys are doing a hell of a lot of work. What a pleasure to read your contributions. Thanks again. Yours, Peter


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Will
Date: 20 Sep 97 - 07:49 PM

I believe that I read somewhere that some people used this song as a game in situations where singing wasn't allowed because of religious observance. So rather than view it as a song, they used it as an active response type game, such as miming "picking up sand" and "blacking boots" and so forth.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jan
From: Nathan Sarvis
Date: 20 Sep 97 - 10:48 PM

Peter T., thanks for the comment. You're obviously a man of breeding, with impeccable taste. I've been delighted with all the response to this one.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Gene
Date: 23 Sep 97 - 12:05 AM

I have 'Goodbye LIza Jane' by Bob Wills ....somewhere..

Have to look for it and will post the lyrics later...


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHARLESTON TOWN / GOODBYE LIZA JANE
From: Gene
Date: 08 Jan 98 - 12:13 AM

RE: THE NEW CHRISTY MINSTRELS-TODAY LP
From the MGM presentation of ADVANCE TO THE REAR
Which has the CIVIL WAR as a framework
Background score composed by Randy Sparks

CHARLESTON TOWN (Goodbye Liza Jane)
Recorded by The New Christy Minstrels

Refrain
... ... ... ... Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
... ... ... ... Don't Cry! Liza Jane!
Ooh ooh ooh ooh Goodbye! Goodbye!
ooh ooh ooh ooh Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Charleston town is burning down, Goodbye! Goodbye!
Cotton balls are turnin' brown, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Charleston town is burning down, Goodbye! Goodbye!
Cotton balls are turnin' brown, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

I'm gonna get my musket, Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
I'm gonna get my musket, Don't Cry! Liza Jane!

Where'll I be in the mornin', Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
Where will I be in the mornin', Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Charleston town is burning down, Goodbye! Goodbye!
Cotton balls are turnin' brown, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Charleston town is burning down, Goodbye! Goodbye!
Cotton balls are turnin' brown, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Repeat Refrain

Who's gonna save Atlanta? Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
Who's gonna save Atlanta? Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Oh! I'm gonna ride with Beauregard, Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
I'm gonna ride with Beauregard, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Well, I'm gonna be with General Lee, Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
Fancy me with Robert E. Lee, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

When will I ever kiss your lips again? Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
Will I ever kiss your lips again? Goodbye! Liza Jane!

I'm gonna get my musket, Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
I'm gonna get my musket, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Where will you be, my lover? Don't Cry! Don't Cry!
Where'll you be, my lover? Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Charleston town is burning down, Goodbye! Goodbye!
Cotton balls are turnin' brown, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Charleston town is burning down, Goodbye! Goodbye!
Cotton balls are turnin' brown, Goodbye! Liza Jane!

Goodbye! Liza Jane! It's Goodbye! Little Liza Jane.

COLUMBIA RECORDS CL-2150/CS-8959


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Dale Rose
Date: 01 Oct 98 - 05:19 PM

Just moving this to the top to make it easier to find.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Alec Davidson in the U.K.
Date: 05 May 99 - 03:45 PM

Re: Charlie Poole's recording & lyrics.

Sorry, I've forgotten who contributed the words.

I have always thought the words "and the dress you wore of" was followed by "TUELLE" or "TULE" (pronounced CHEW-ALL). It is a dress-makers' fabric.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOOD BYE ELIZA JANE (Sterling, Von Tilzer
From: Dale Rose
Date: 05 May 99 - 05:22 PM

It was interesting to me that you renewed this thread, since just yesterday I was looking at the sheet music, and thinking I should post the original lyrics. You stirred me into action, so here they are. Charlie, of course, had his own way of doing them!

Good Bye Eliza Jane
Words by Andrew B. Sterling, Music by Harry Von Tilzer, 1903.

Look a' here, Liza, listen to me;
You ain't the gal you promised to be;
Didn't you say you always would be true, oo, oo, oo, oo?
You went a driving with Mister Brown;
Now I'm the laughing stock of the town;
Folks say that I was crazy to trust you, oo, oo, oo, oo.
Throw up my hands babe, I'se gwine to go;
Can't stand the blow; I loved you so;
I was the good thing while I had the "dough"
Now I must whisper low:

Chorus:
"Good bye, Eliza Jane, I'm gwine a' for to leave you!
Well, you'll know when I go,
that I was the fellow with the "dough, dough, dough;"
so I'm gwine for to sing a little song,
And travel a long, just travel a long
Wish you good day, Babe, I'm on my way, Good bye Eliza Jane."

Look a' here, Liza, take off those rings;
Dig in that trunk, gal; hand me those things;
I'm gwine to take the clothes I paid for, too, oo, oo, oo, oo!
Cough up that old gold watch, and de chain;
Wants that umbrella, cause it might rain;
Ask Mister Brown to fix you up all new, oo, oo, oo, oo.
Rent time is here, babe; landlord today;
I'll be away; who's gwine to pay?
P'r'aps Mister Brown will if he's a jay,
Once more to you I say:

Chorus

If you want to see the sheet music, just go to Good Bye, Eliza Jane at the Duke site.


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Subject: Lyr Add: MISS LIZA POOR GAL
From: emily rain
Date: 05 May 99 - 09:32 PM

man, oh man, it's a liza jane festival!

here are the words i know to miss liza poor gal:

went up in the mountains
i gave my horn a blow
thought i heard miss liza say
yonder comes my beau

oh miss liza po' gal
oh miss liza jane
oh miss liza po' gal
ridin' on that train

first time i saw liza
was standin' by my door
shoes and stockings in her hand
bare feet on the floor

asked her if she loved me
she said she loved me some
put her arms around me
lord, i thought my time had come

hardest work i ever done
was workin' on the farm
easiest work i ever done
was in my true love's arms

hitched up dick and dinah
hitched 'em to that train
pulled a big load o' molasses
i'm gonna sweeten up liza jane

whiskey by the barrel (etc.)

liza has a fella
her fella's name is clyde
when he goes to church on sunday
miss liza's by his side

i know she loves her fella
but that don't bother me
'cause there aint nothin' two can do
won't be better with three

ridin' on a steamboat
ridin' on a train
if i ever marry
i'm gonna marry miss liza jane


See Liza Jane in the Digital Tradition.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 06 May 99 - 01:15 AM

Nathan: Do you play autoharp?

I wonder how many different tunes go with the verses.

Emily the Liza Jane in the database seems very close to your version, but the tune is different than the LiL' Liza Jane that I know (at least when the computer plays it through MIDI).

It seems that Ferrara's and Dale's versions also probably have different tunes. Is this true?

I have collected a lot of verses but you Mudcatters even came up with more! Good job.

Jim


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOODBYE LIZA JANE (Eddie Fox)
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 02:01 PM

GOODBYE LIZA JANE
Eddie Fox, 1871, pub. Lee & Weller

1. The time has come and I must go,
I must play on the old banjo.
Walk Dad Lew, Oh Mister Lew,
Ehe! Ehe! He!
Hear me now-

Chorus:
I'm going away to leave you, goodbye, goodbye,
I'm going away to leave you, goodbye Liza Jane.
I'm going away to leave you,
I'm going down to Lynchburg town;
If you get there before I do,
It's goodbye, Liza Jane.

2. The time has come, I do declare
I want a lock of my girl's hair.
Walk Dad Lew, Oh Mister Lew,
Ehe! Ehe! He!
Hear me now-

Chorus:

Behind the henhouse on my knees,
I thought I heard a chicken sneeze.
Walk Dad Lew, Oh Mister Lew,
Ehe! Ehe! He!
Hear me now-

Chorus:

"Twas nothing but a Rooster saying his prayers,
And giving out a hymn Such a getting upstairs.
Walk Dad Lew, Oh Mister Lew,
Ehe! Ehe! He!
Hear me now-

Chorus:

This is one of the oldest versions that we have a date for. The song is older; perhaps versions are preserved in old minstrel song booklets. Rich r mentions this song in a previous posting, but with the name mis-typed Cox. On the cover, it is listed as "Comic song, by Eddie Fox, as sung by Lew Simmons at the Arch Street Opera House." Like several other similar tunes, its origin usually is credited to minstrel shows, but probably based on old fiddle and play party songs.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 02:13 PM

American Memory, Library of Congress, is the source for the Eddie Fox "Good bye Liza Jane." Type in Liza Jane, and sheet music appears as item 7, Sheet music. Good bye Liza Jane (Good bye must be typed in Search as two words) also turns up this song. I should have separated Good bye in the title. American Memory


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Nathan in Texas
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 04:20 PM

Interesting reading a thread that's lasted 5 years. To GutBucketeer, missed your question three years ago, but Yes, that autoharp player was me. But for "Goodbye Liza Jane" I prefer frailing it on the banjo.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOODBYE LIZA JANE
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 07:03 PM

So far, none of the verses seem to match up to the tune I know as GLJ. Here are mine:

Eight more miles to Louisville, Good bye, Goodbye,
Eight more miles to Louisville, Goodbye Liza Jane

Chorus: Oh,Oh, Miss Liza
Goodbye Liza Jane
Oh,Oh Miss Liza
You're driving me insane
2x

Can't stay here if you can't shuck corn, Goodbye, Goodbye,
Can't stay here if you can't shuck corn, Goodbye Liza Jane

Some folks say a preacher won't steal, Goodbye, Goodbye
But I found three in my cornfield, Goodbye Liza Jane
One had a bushel, one had a peck, Goodbye, Goodbye
One had a rosary around his neck, Goodbye Liza Jane

Al


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jul 02 - 10:28 PM

Gwine down by the pars'nage,
Now Liza you keep cool;
I hasn't got time to squeeze you,
I'se busy wid dis mule.

Cho.:
Whoa, mule, whoa,
Whoa, mule, I say;
Keep your seat Miss Liza Jane,
An' hang to dat sleigh.

De mule he jumped to one side,
De sleigh she went kerflap,
Broke my new suspenders,
She fell on my lap.
(from Alabama)

When I went to see Miss Liza Jane,
She was standin' in the door,
With shoes and stockin's in her hands
And feet all over the floor.
(from Tenn.)
As I went down de new cut road, she went down de lane.
Was the last time I saw my true love so go 'long, Liza Jane.
Go 'long, Liza Jane, go 'long, Liza Jane.

She went up the new cut road, I went down the lane,
Threw my hat in the corner of the fence,
Good-by, Liza Jane.
(Al)

Good-bye, Miss Eliza Jane,
I'm gwine to leab you;
Don't care, Miss Eliza Jane,
If it do grieb you.
Good-bye, Miss Eliza Jane, good-bye etc.

Go 'long, go 'long, go 'long, Liza Jane (3 times)
She died on the train.
N. C.

These scattered verses from Newman L. White, American Negro Folk Songs.

Juba dis and Juba dat,
Juba shoot and kill a yellow cat,
Juba up and Juba down,
Juba shoot and missed the ground.

Cindy went to meetin',
She shouted and she squeeled;
She got so much religion
She broke her stockin' heel

I went up to the mountain
For to get a load of cane
To make a jug of 'lasses
Sweeter 'n Liza Jane.

Get along home, Cindy, Cindy (twice)
Fare you well.
(mixture of two songs)

My ole missus promised me
When she died she'd set me free.
She lived so long That her head got ball,
And the Lord couldn't kill her with a hickory mall.

(more floating verses from White)


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 08 Jul 02 - 01:35 PM

the only recording I know of the Eddie Fox version is the recent one by Hobo Pie. (self-produced, 2000) anybody know of another?


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Subject: ZDTStudy: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jul 02 - 02:28 PM

The song I'm familiar with is "Little Liza Jane," similar to what Gene posted up top. Then we have several versions of "Goodbye Liza Jane" posted here. The Digital Tradition has Liza Jane (she died on the train). Are they all the same song?
-Joe Offer-
There's so much information here, that it seems there's no reason for a separate DTStudy on this song. I'll mark it ZDTStudy for indexing.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jul 02 - 03:08 PM

Along with at least a dozen others under different titles, they all belong to the same cluster of fiddle-minstrel-play party songs.

See current thread 48893 on Limber Jim, Buckeye Jim, Shiloh, etc., etc., for another cluster of the same type- and which also merges with Liza Jane, Susie Jane, etc. etc. Jim


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Mr Happy
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 12:20 PM

my pal jim does a version with 5 string banjo.

'scarlet town'

[chorus only-i don't know the verses]

scarlet town is burning down, goodbye, goodbye scarlet town is burning down, goodbye, scarlet town ain't you feeling sorry,goodbye, goodbye ain't you feeling sorry,goodbye liza jane


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Al
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 05:00 PM

Joe, thanks for fixing my post. I think these are all different Lizas. If you want to call me, I'll play my version over the phone for you. Al 530-333-1109


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Stewie
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 09:00 PM

Meade, Spottswood and Meade 'Country Music Sources' has an extensive listing of old-time artists recording this under a variety of titles:

Old Liza Jane - Uncle Am Stuart 1924
Liza Jane - Riley Puckett 1924
Liza Jane - Henry Whitter 1925
Goodbye Liza Jane - Fiddlin' John Carson 1926
Mountaineer's Love Song - The Hillbillies 1926
Miss Liza Poor Gal - Tenneva Ramblers 1928
Liza Jane - Carter Brothers and Son 1928
Old Eliza Jane - Doc Roberts and Asa Martin 1928
Liza Up the Simmon Tree - Bradley Kincaid 1928
Poor Mary Jane - Charlie Craver 1928
Liza Up the 'Simmon Tree - Bradley Kincaid 1929
Liza Jane - Kessinger Brothers 1931

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 10:09 PM

In American Memory, link in a posting above, there is a note under the fiddle tune "Greasy String" about "Liza Jane" and all of her relatives that is worth repeating. The author, at the Library of Congress, says: "'Greasy String' is known by that title in versions scattered across southwestern Virginia and West Virginia but under other titles the tune has turned up ... from Virginia to Texas and Missouri." Several sources are cited, with these alternate titles: Seneca Square Dance, Old Raccoon, Running From The Federals, Hell among the Yearlin's, Racoon's Tail, Coon Dog, Heel Flies, Rock Along John to Kansas, Get Away From the Federals, or Fall of Paris, Shoot the Turkey Buzzard, Dinah and LIZA JANE. "It is but a small step to a yet wider circle of related tunes such as the 'Liza Jane' of Southern Piedmont, minstrel stage and jazz band circulation, or another tune....called'Dinah.' In short, the tune is cut of a cloth so common in the Upper South, and in musical domains touched by the influence of the Upper South, that it could be described as a paradigmatic Southern tune, appearing in so many related versions, allied forms and modified guises that it almost defies genetic tracing."

In his note on LIZA JANE, Vance Randolph (pp. 183-185, v. 3) says " This song has some lines in common with the "Old Joe Clark" play-party song ... and is related to the "Goodbye LIza Jane" ...."He gives three versions, including "Goodbye Susan Jane" (posted by rich r in thread 18221): Susan Jane .

The Traditional Ballad Index, in its notes on LIZA JANE, cross-references to "Molly and Tenbrooks," "Run, Mollie, Run," "Push Boat," and to floating lyrics in "Cindy." Alternate titles given are "Goodbye Liza Jane," Saro Jane," and "Little Saro Jane."
In notes on "Black Them Boots (Goin' Down to Cairo)" cross-reference is made to "Goodbye Liza Jane" and other Liza Jane songs. This one in this thread.

A case for two sub-groups, "Liza Jane" and Goodbye Liza Jane" could be made, but verses are so intermixed that it is difficult to do so.

In various threads, there are other related songs. Thread 25438: Charlotte "Charleston (Charlotte) is Burning," a version by Randy Sparks and the New Christie Minstrels, allied to Goodbye Liza Jane, also this thread.
"Shiloh" is mentioned in thread 892: Shiloh
"Pig in a Pen," thread 6059: Pig Pen
"Eliza Jane- Oh Miss Liza, 446: Eliza
"Oh Eliza, Little Liza Jane": thread 152: Eliza and this thread.
"Susan Jane" thread 18221: Susan Jane

Also see the thread on Limber Jim. Limber

Any More??


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Jul 02 - 10:36 PM

Charlotte link: Charlotte


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: GUEST,jhol111964@sprintmail.com
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 05:38 PM

Has anyone deciphered Tom Watson's Liza Jane Poor Gal?

Jim Holland
Athens, AL


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Oct 03 - 12:01 AM

O law', Liza, po' gal version at bluegrassmessengers.com: Liza Jane 2
Probably close (scroll down- at the end of the write-up).
Will look for the Watson recording, but I doubt that I have it.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 03:47 PM

Watson Liza Jane lyrics on "Out in the Country," Intermedia/Quicksilver QS 5031 LP, 1982, cut # 11. Don't have it.
Don't know if it has been put on cd.


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Subject: RE: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 08:54 PM

The Virtual Gramophone has a recording of GOOD BYE, ELIZA JANE, by Sterling and von Tilzer, which Dale Rose posted the lyrics to, above. It's a short recording (1:30), covering only the first verse and the chorus (twice), sung by Robert Price, and released in 1904. The sound quality is poor, but what do you expect for 1904?


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOODBYE, SUSAN JANE (Randolph, 1940)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Nov 07 - 09:02 PM

From Randolph, Ozark Folksongs, vol. 3, 435B, Liza Jane.

GOODBYE, SUSAN JANE
I went to see my Susan Jane, she met me at the door,
She told me that I needn't come to see her any more;
She fell in love with Rufus Andrew Jackson Paime,
I looked her in the face and said goodbye Susan Jane.

Oh Susan quit your foolin', and give my love to me,
Oh give me back my heart again, and I will let you be,
I once did love you dearly, I cannot love again,
I'm going away to leave you now, so goodbye Susan Jane.

Her mouth was like a cellar, her foot was like a ham,
Her eyes were like an owl's at night, her voice was never calm,
Her hair was long and curly, she looked just like a crane,
I bid goodbye to all my love, so goodbye, Susan Jane.

Oh Susan, so deceiving, she'll never do to trust,
I threatened once to leave her, and leave her now I must,
I never will trust another, to cause me any pain,
I trusted her, and all the girls are just like Susan Jane.

Mrs. Joseph Pointer, MO, 1940.

Lyr. Add: LIZA JANE (MOUNTAIN TOP)

I'll go up on the mountain top,
And plant me a patch of cane,
I'll make me a jug of molasses,
For to sweeeten little Liza Jane.

Refrain:
O po' Liza, po' gal,
O po' Liza Jane,
O po' Liza, po' gal,
She died on the train.

I'll go up on the mountain top,
Put up my moonshine still,
I'll make you a quart of old moonshine,
For just one dollar bill.

Head is like a coffee pot,
Nose is like a spout,
Her mouth is like an old fire-place,
With the ashes all raked out.

I went to see my Liza Jane,
She was standing in the door,
Her shoes and stockings in her hand,
And her feet all over the floor.

The hardest work that ever I did,
Was a-brakin' on the train,
The easiest work that ever I did,
Was a-huggin' little Liza Jane.

With score. Some of the verses in these songs have been used since early minstrel days.
Carl Sandburg, 1927, "The American Songbag," pp. 132-133. Source not stated.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Nov 07 - 09:38 PM

Listen to Goodbye, Liza Jane, W. P. Detherow, Arkansas, 1952; Wolf Collection.
Goodbye Liza Jane

Twenty versions at Digital Library of Appalachia:
Appalachia
Just type Liza Jane in Quick Search and find over an hour of great music.

It is possible that the Ada de Lachau composition was based on a tune similar to some of these. The chorus of some has much the same structure, starting with that 'Oh' or 'Ho' Eliza sound. Of course her version may have influenced those recorded here, but it could be the other way around.

For the old fiddle tune, listen to the excellent fiddle playing of Emma Lee Dickerson of Kentucky. Scroll down to 14. Great!

Joe Caudill on No. 17 has a good fast dance version.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Janie
Date: 27 Nov 07 - 10:15 PM

Terrific Q. Once again, you are my hero.

Slight drift - #27 Clyde Davenort - don't hear fiddle played much cleaner and sweeter than that.    His style, at least on that tune, is a bit unusual also.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: clueless don
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 09:13 AM

Adding one more voice to the cacophony - Years and years ago, in Ithaca NY, I remember Phil Shapiro singing a version very similar to what Mr Happy posted on 09 Jul 02 - 12:20 PM. A typical verse went something like this:

scarlet town is burning down,
goodbye, goodbye
scarlet town is burning down,
goodbye, Liza Jane!
ain't you kinda' sorry?
goodbye, goodbye
ain't you kinda' sorry?
goodbye Liza Jane!

Don


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: BanjoRay
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 09:38 AM

Janie - I think #27 should be Clyde Davenport.
Cheers
Ray


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: GUEST,PhilGE
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 08:25 PM

There's a short thread on this at rec.music.country.old-time back in 2001. Search for "Lyrics to Liza Jane".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: Janie
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 10:23 PM

Hi Phil,

I couldn't find the URL you gave. is it correct as typed?

Thanks,

Janie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Goodbye Liza Jane
From: GUEST,matt
Date: 03 Jan 09 - 10:53 AM

i learnt this song in the seventies:

Scarlet town is burning down
Good Bye good Bye
Scarlet town is burning down
Good Bye Liza Jane

Chorus:
Ain't you feeling sorry
Good Bye Good Bye
Ain't you feeling sorry
Good Bye Liza Jane

Liza Jane had eyes of blue
Good Bye Good Bye
Broke my heart and the of my best friends too
Good Bye Liza Jane

Chorus:

Now Liza Jane's dead and gone
Good Bye Good Bye
But in my heart she lives on
Good Bye Liza Jane

Chorus:


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