Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: Fred McCormick Date: 28 Mar 11 - 11:38 AM There's a song which Sara grey sings and which I'm fairly sure comes from New York State. Well it's a bit closer to New England than some of ths stuff people have suggested. It's called When McGuinness gets a Job, AKA Last Winter was a Hard One,and turns up in Cazden, Folk Songs of the Catskills and Sandy Ives, Drive Dull Care Away. If you can't access a copy, let me know and I'll send you a scan of the words. |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: Will Fly Date: 27 Mar 11 - 12:44 PM There's an interesting album by Richard Thompson and Danny Thompson called "Industry". Not folk, but very relevant. |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,henryp Date: 27 Mar 11 - 12:29 PM Search the DT (Digitrad) - on the front page of the Mudcat Forum - for words like; 'weave' 'cotton' 'mill' 'steam' 'canal' or 'railway' and for mining 'disaster'. HANDLOOM V. POWERLOOM For our cotton masters have a wonderful new scheme: These calico goods now wove by hand, they're going to weave by steam. THE WEAVER AND THE FACTORY MAID Where are the girls, I will tell you plain: The girls have all gone to weave by steam, KING COTTON (Mike Harding) See how the lint flies out over the moorland, See how the smoke to the valley clings, See how the slate roofs shine in the drizzle, This is the valley where Cotton is King. THE SHERAT WEAVER Ee dear, if yon Yankees could only but see How they're clemming and starving poor weavers like me I think they'd soon settle their battles and strife And send us some cotton to keep us alive. THE OXFORD AND HAMPTON RAILWAY Ri-fan, Ti-fan, mirth and fun, Don't you wonder how it's done? Carriages without horses run, On the Oxford and 'Ampton Railway. PADDY WORKS ON THE RAILWAY (1) In eighteen hundred and forty one, I put my corduroy breeches on I put my cordury breeches on, to work upon the railway. WHEN THIS OLD HAT WAS NEW But now long journeys are so short, they seem but as a dream, For they travel in hot water, and they melt long miles by steam. ROLL ON COLUMBIA (Woody Guthrie) Roll on, Columbia, roll on, Roll on, Columbia, roll on Your power is turning our darkness to dawn, So roll on, Columbia, roll on TELFORD'S BRIDGE (John Warner (c) 1994) The aqueduct's channel is seven feet wide, With a stout iron rail on the broad towpath side; GOODBYE TO THE THIRTY FOOT TRAILER (Ewan MacColl) The old ways are changing you cannot deny The day of the traveler's over There's nowhere to gang and there's nowhere to bide So farewell to the life of the rover Goodbye to the tent and the old caravan To the tinker, the rover, the travelling man And goodbye tae the thirty foot trailer |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,mee too! Date: 26 Mar 11 - 12:38 PM i need some help with finding a poem and song about any industrialization too!please help!!! |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: curmudgeon Date: 27 Mar 03 - 03:11 PM Marc -- While also of "Old" England, you should listen to The Iron Muse, a collection of English and Scottish industrial songs. Also read the chapter on The Industrial Songs in Lloyd's Folksong in England. Also, some years back the McGarrigle Sisters did a song, "Jacques et Jill" about French Canadians coming south to work in the mills. When you have a chance, please PM me. I'm very interested in this project you're working on. Good questing -- Tom |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: JudeL Date: 27 Mar 03 - 11:07 AM The Mike Nicholson CD "Stone by Stone" has a number of songs on it that have the effects of industrialisation as part of the theme. One song in particular "Empty Echoes" is about the change from horsepower to mechanisation. |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: MMario Date: 27 Mar 03 - 10:19 AM anyone able to provide the tune? |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,marc Date: 22 Nov 00 - 04:38 PM Once again Thanks. Marc |
Subject: Lyr Add: BILLY COCKED HAT^^ From: GUEST,helmsley@home.com Date: 22 Nov 00 - 10:16 AM I think this was originally an English song, but it works for both sides of the pond. BILLY COCKED HAT 1) I am a young man, I'm in my prime I work as hard as any man can. Digging and a-picking on the railroad line As a rough and a tumble navvying man CH) In me billy cocked hat, silken waistcoat Corduroy trousers tied at the knee. A shovel, a pick, a one wheel barrow And a jug full of gin when I takes me ease. 2) Living in a shanty, feeding fleas Digging in muck all through the day. Maggots and meat and mouldy peas And the tommy shop takes nearly all me pay. 3) Every Sunday I goes on the randy Finds my way to the nearest town. If I sees a peeler with 'is truncheon handy I ups with me fist and I knocks 'im down. 4) Blasting tunnels where the line runs deep. Digging out bodies where the roof has fell. There's many a navvy took a long, long sleep, Reward for is labours a funeral bell. 5) Contracts finished, the navvys gone And trains now run on the lines 'es laid. People will wonder in the days to come At the work that been done by the navvying trade. Hope this helps, Peter Benson HTML line breaks added. -JoeClone 20-Mar-01. Song has been added to the Digital Tradition (click). Songwriter is Don Bilston. |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,Marc Date: 21 Nov 00 - 02:40 PM Once again, Thanks people. I,m really enjoying this search. I'm coming up with some real interesting stuff from all over the place. Thank you Sandy, I will check out that Bob Coltman song, thats exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. Marc Bernier |
Subject: Lyr Add: CIRCULAR BOG (trad. Ontario) From: Willie-O Date: 21 Nov 00 - 12:18 PM Well, industrialization came to the fields and forests too, you know. Here's a song my friend John Foreman, a logger in Bancroft Ontario, collected locally about the mechanization of the logging industry in the thirties or forties. Paudash Lake is a man-made lake north of Peterborough in central Ontario. Geographically the area is very similar to the woods of Maine and as with many older lumbering songs, you could change a couple of place names and it would be an American song! Willie-O
Circular Bog
A bunch of true young bushmen set out to Paudash Lake
They cut a trail into the camp, there were some awful holes One day it rained and then it rained, that night it rained some more The Hunter boys nearly every night would get together and play We'd climb up to our cozy bunks and try to get some sleep Then we'd climb into our clothes when we're just half awake Now the boss is old Jack Karsh, and sometimes he gets sore The sleighing now is started, we're busy haulin' logs Now the horses were not fast enough, so we bought two Chevrolets Our garageman's Arnold Brinklow, he's busy day and night. One morning just at daybreak, we heard an awful roar, The boss came in the cookhouse, his eyes all blood and fire, One day while near a hollow log, I run and jumped inside 'er Our camp is always nice and clean, although there's lots of mud. |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: LR Mole Date: 21 Nov 00 - 11:51 AM Out of left field, but it might work: Factory by Spingsteen. The Flying Picketts had a nice a cappella version. (Did they ever make it on to CD, incidentally?)And as noted, two by Phil Ochs leap to mind:"Links On the Chain" and "That's What I Want to Hear". |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: Sandy Paton Date: 21 Nov 00 - 12:38 AM Has anyone suggested "Weaver's Reverie" by Bob Coltman? A great song on Folk-Legacy's CD-121: For All the Good People. CLICK HERE The song is based on a letter written by one Harriet Farley, a mill girl, that was printed in The Lowell Offering, an in-house factory publication - 1840 or so. The Folk-Legacy web site has an index, just click on "browse" and look for the title of the CD. Sandy |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,Marc Date: 20 Nov 00 - 02:23 PM Thanks again folks. This is turning out to be an interesting project. Considering the extent or indusrialism in New England , and the major social changes thatappears to resulted. There apopears to be reletively little in the way of songs from the 1rst half of the century. What I'm coming up with so far is some good stuff writen by modern song writers dealing with the textile industry and the second half, but not the first. I'm still looking though. Jim, I'd be very intertested in any thing you have to share, however the focus of this search is songs about New England. |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,lighteyes Date: 18 Nov 00 - 12:13 AM Maybe not a Yankee song but a great one just the same. DIRTY OLD TOWN, it paints a very vivid picture. :o} |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,(Edagar A.) a.k.a. Art Thieme Date: 17 Nov 00 - 11:53 PM Pete Seeger's LP on Smithsonian-Folkways -- AMERICAN INDUSTRIAL BALLADS" The New Lost City Ramblers LP on Smithsonian-Folkways of songs of industrialization from the old-timey canons. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: Jim Dixon Date: 17 Nov 00 - 04:02 PM I have a book at home called "A Touch On The Times: Songs Of Social Change, 1770-1914," edited by Roy Palmer, published in 1974. But I think it was published in England and the songs are all from England. They are mainly taken from old broadsides. Apparently the book is out of print, and I don't know if it was ever offered for sale in the US, so you might even have a hard time finding it in libraries. (I had to look in the British Library's catalogue to verify the publishing data.) I know it's not quite what you asked for. Do you think you could use any of these songs? I've been thinking of transcribing some of them for DigiTrad, and it might spur me on if I knew anyone needed them. I believe "The Weaver And The Factory Maid" which is in DT, and was recorded by Steeleye Span and Martin Carthy, came from this book. |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,Marc Date: 17 Nov 00 - 03:50 PM Thanx Guys! |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: Amos Date: 17 Nov 00 - 01:50 PM And, a little further West and later in time, the beautiful song "The Coming of the Roads", which I believe Joan Baez included in one of her later albums. A |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: DonMeixner Date: 17 Nov 00 - 01:24 PM Songs by Ewan Macoll and Si Kahn come immediately to mind. The Work of The Weavers, Sellected songs ( Very early that is) by Phil Ochs, Tom Paxton, Joe Hill, U Utah Phillips, Jean Ritchie('Than Hall) Ns countless others. Don |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: Cool Beans Date: 17 Nov 00 - 12:59 PM "Peg and Awl" is a good one, about a machine replacing folks who made shoes by hand. It's in the Digitrad databse. Clarence Ashley, for one, recorded it in the '60s. |
Subject: RE: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,CraigS Date: 17 Nov 00 - 09:13 AM There's no point in re-inventing the wheel, so you should check for earlier song collectors. You usually find that manuscript collections of songs, lore, etc. end up in the area library reference collections. I don't know about New England, but I can say that contacting the library in Providnce RI might be useful. |
Subject: Help; Songs about Industrialization From: GUEST,Marc B. Date: 17 Nov 00 - 08:19 AM Can someone point me in the right direction? I'm looking for some songs, either modern or contemporary, that deal with industrialization in New England during the 1st half of the 19th century. It appears that in most of the collections I own, folks thought it was more important to interview farmers and sailors. Which is allright because that's what I do. Any suggestions? Thanx Marc Bernier |
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