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BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird

Bill D 21 Nov 01 - 10:23 PM
catspaw49 21 Nov 01 - 04:03 PM
lamarca 21 Nov 01 - 03:33 PM
Bill D 21 Nov 01 - 02:41 PM
Bill D 21 Nov 01 - 02:36 PM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 21 Nov 01 - 01:57 PM
catspaw49 25 Nov 00 - 09:25 PM
Uncle_DaveO 25 Nov 00 - 03:28 PM
Mrrzy 25 Nov 00 - 12:10 PM
catspaw49 24 Nov 00 - 12:42 PM
GUEST,DaveO 24 Nov 00 - 12:28 PM
Mrrzy 23 Nov 00 - 07:44 PM
GUEST,Lynn T 23 Nov 00 - 09:19 AM
catspaw49 22 Nov 00 - 08:21 PM
MMario 22 Nov 00 - 07:59 PM
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Wesley S 22 Nov 00 - 09:28 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 10:23 PM

well, 'spaw,,,you think it CAN'T need all those spices...but you taste it, and you are afraid to eliminate any!...It's too hard to do to cook 6 of 'em using different combos and do double blind taste tests, so I just try to come close to what he says. But I know folks 'mess with' the details,,,,human nature.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 04:03 PM

Lamarca that sounds superb!

Bill.....I'll take a shot at the Thompson's Turkey on another occasion, but my first thought is, "Did this guy feel compelled to use every spice in his rack or what?"

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: lamarca
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 03:33 PM

This is one of our Thanksgiving crowd's favorites from my Caribbean repertoire. Caribbean pumpkin, or calabaza, is a huge, monstrous winter squash that they sell in shrink-wrapped chunks at our local West Indian markets. If you don't have such ethnic delights available in your area, you can substitute butternut or Hubbard squash - but it won't be quite the same...

Also, the Pepper Wine is crucial...

West Indian Pumpkin Soup
2 lbs. West Indian pumpkin (calabaza), peeled, seeded, diced to 1"
1 large onion, chopped finely
3 cloves of garlic, minced
2 bay leaves
2-3 sprigs fresh thyme, or pinch dried
1/2-1 tsp. cumin
2 tbl. Butter
1/4 c. white wine
2 tomatoes, peeled, seeded and chopped
2 qts. chicken stock (homemade is best)
fresh ground black pepper and salt to taste
1/2-1 cup half and half

Garnish:
chopped chives or scallions
Pepper Wine: Take small jar with tight fitting lid. Fill with dark rum. Slice hot chile peppers into rum (I use Serranos; some folks like Scotch Bonnet). Store in refrigerator 1 day-5 years (at least that's how old my current batch is...). Add to soup sparingly - this stuff is HOT!!!

Sautee onions, garlic, and spices in butter over medium heat until translucent. Add pumpkin and cook for 3 minutes. Add wine and reduce for 2 minutes. Add stock, tomatoes, cover, and simmer for 40 minutes or until pumpkin is tender. Puree soup and return to pot. Add salt and pepper to taste. Add cream and heat (but not to boil). Garnish with chopped chives.

Pass Pepper Wine with soup and let people add to taste (I like about 1 spoonful) - for those afraid of hot chiles, add a spoonful of dark rum.

Serves 8.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 02:41 PM

BTW...a search of the WWW will get at least two other posts about this, with history and commentary


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 02:36 PM

for the VERY ambitious,,,(probably too late for this year, as it require some preparation,,,but maybe for Christmas!)

here is Thompson's Turkey I have done this many times, playing with the details..(less waterchestnuts in the dressing, double the mustard based paint, etc...( and it is always good...it was this recipe that taught me the difference between a bud of garlic and a clove of garlic...*grin*....and, please...if you try it IGNORE that last paragraph where they say to rip off that black coating!...You carve right thru it, and EAT it..(or at least give folks the choice!)

If you gain a reputation for the best turkey they ever ate, I want partial credit.....The original was from "Joe, the Wounded Tennis Player" by Morton Thompson


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 21 Nov 01 - 01:57 PM

Refresh. Now, I've got a weird question: is last year's mincemeat, soaking in alcohol and sitting in the back of the fridge all year, going to be safe to bake and eat? The alcohol is a good preservative, yes, but there was suet in that recipe too...
It smells fine, but I just don't think I dare....


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Nov 00 - 09:25 PM

Yeah, I can taste that one. That may join the Hot Brown and Turkey Pie..........Gotta' buu a real BIG turkey.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Nov 00 - 03:28 PM

Ya say ya got left over turkey?

Ya say ya got left over gravy?

Ya say ya want something different to do with them? Ya done come to da right place!

The following is from the very first cookbook I ever bought, circa 1955. It was The American Wine Cookbook, by Ted Hatch, G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1941. A wonderful book, devoted to cooking with wine--specifically American wines, which weren't so well regarded back at that time. Today, of course, the best American wines can hold up their head with all but the extreme exceptional best of foreign wines.

Turkey Ragout

1-1/2 Cups turkey gravy, thickened, or
.....3 tbsp butter
.....1 tbsp four
.....1-1/2 cups clear gravy, stock, or consomme
salt and pepper
pinch of nutmeg
1/2 tsp Worcestershire sauce
1 tsp Angostura bitters
3 cups (approx) cooked turkey, cut up
1 tbsp cranberry jelly
1/4 cup Sherry
6 slices toast

If you do not have thickened gravy left over, make a Brown sauce with butter, flour, clear gravy, stock or consomme. Add seasonings, stir in turkey, and simmer 10 minutes. Stir in jelly and wine, bring just to a boil, and serve on toast. Serves 6

Bon Appetit!

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Nov 00 - 12:10 PM

"Survived" turns out to be the Mot Juste! My 3-year-old niece wasn't feeling well when she got here - by today, not only she but 5 out of her 7 cousins, her parents, our 2 (really old) guests, and 2 of her aunts are all down with the stomach flu! Including one cousin who had gone to a sleepover and had to come back (guess we vectored it to all those families). There is also one nephew who went to NC to be with his Dad on Friday and we can't reach him because they don't answer the phone on Saturdays... so it might be 6 out of 7 cousins...A Thanksgiving to remember, that's for sure! Somehow I'm OK (both twins were down, Timmie isn't quite up again yet, Willie is already fine again) and so is our Mom... Must be all that right living!


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Nov 00 - 12:42 PM

Strange how things got changed ......the "Folkfood Process?".......Like I said, what I've eaten (although never at the original) has been similar to what I posted. I made some changes in what I do too, but the recipe I started with came from an old "Duncan Hines Travellers Cookbook"......remember Duncan Hines? Before the cake mix crud, he wrote restaurant reviews and gave favorite recipes from many of the places he visited.

Anyway, thanks again Dave, and its interesting to see the "folk Process" in action outside of song! BTW, Ol' Duncan had a sweet pickle recipe in that book that was an absolute killer. VERY time consuming, but it made the best oickles I ever ate! I loaned the book to friends several years ago and .............. Then again I have quite a few of their books too. Maybe I'll call them and we'll have supper and a book/CD swap in a couple of weeks.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: GUEST,DaveO
Date: 24 Nov 00 - 12:28 PM

Spaw, in addition to using pullet breasts, the cheese in the original recipe, as invented by Herr Gruber (forget his first name now), was Swiss.

When in Louisville I used to look forward to visiting his restaurant--strangely, named Gruber's. Wonder what ever happened to him. In case I didn't mention it--I'm not going to bother to scroll up and see--he was Executive Chef at the Brown Hotel when he originated it.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Nov 00 - 07:44 PM

Well, we survived another year - with additional desserts: Not only pumpkin and pecan pie but Mom's chocolate mousse (TO DIE FOR) and whipped cream and some kind of wonderful apple cake and Gran's Cran and... I gotta go take off my shoes and other tight things.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: GUEST,Lynn T
Date: 23 Nov 00 - 09:19 AM

Wesley, I just made your pumpkin dip -- but I'm somebody who can never leave something simple alone. Try swapping a cup of light-brown sugar and a goodly amount of maple syrup for the powdered sugar, and add some ginger to the spice mix. By the way, you didn't spoecify pkg sizes, so I used a large can of punkin to an 8-oz cream cheese. Came out just yummy -- I'm having to fight the boys off it to wrap it up to take to dinner!

Lynn


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Nov 00 - 08:21 PM

That's interesting Dave....I didn't know that. I've eaten it all over KY and TN and never had it with pullet.....always turkey. Good to know. I will guarantee mine's better (the evil Spaw said with no modesty at all). (:<))

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: MMario
Date: 22 Nov 00 - 07:59 PM

turkey soup is the primary reason for thanksgiving, period.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 22 Nov 00 - 12:09 PM

1. The Hot Brown sandwich is not supposed to be made with turkey. The original recipe called for pullet breasts. I know this because I used to know the chef who originated it, who worked at the Brown Hotel in Louisville at the time he created it.

2. In the evening of Thanksgiving I begin the real cooking process: I start the turkey stock from which I will make a glorious turkey noodle soup--with home-made noodles, none of this store-boughten stuff. My 30-year-old daughter maintains that "The chief reason for the existence of Thanksgiving is to produce a carcass for Dad's turkey noodle soup!"

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Wesley S
Date: 22 Nov 00 - 09:28 AM

Spaw - Beef ?? In Ft. Worth Texas { AKA Cowtown }?? Thats a novel idea - I'll try it.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: GUEST,jchipman
Date: 22 Nov 00 - 01:40 AM

I have never read such funny banter. You people slay me dead. I fell off of my chair.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Naemanson
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 11:08 PM

Yeah, I tried smoking a turkey once but buying ZigZag papers by the case wiped me out!


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 06:25 PM

Well Wes...........Since you have pecans...GO FOR BEEF!!! I have done a beef tenderloin and also rib roasts in the same manner I described for the pork (slicing pockets/stuffing with goo/covering with goo/foil/bake,etc) but in this case the "goo" is:

1 Cup Pecans
1 Cup Chopped Mushrooms
1/2 Cup Chopped Onion
1 Tablespoon Minced Garlic
1 Tablespoon Cayenne Pepper Sauce
2 Tablespoons Worcestershire Sauce
1 Tablespoon Dijon Mustard
1/2 Cup Red Wine
1 Teaspoon Horseradish

This one will make you get right with God!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: DougR
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 04:39 PM

For some excellent sounding recipes for cooking turkey, go to www.abc.com and check out Good Morning America. Emeril shares a recipe for fried turkey and one for brined turkey breast. I'm going to try the latter after Thanksgiving. It looks sooooooooo good!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: DougR
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 04:36 PM

Oh Ely! I'd love some of those tamales! Not enough to make them, but I sure do love a good tamale. Lots of folks here in Arizona have them for Christmas.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Wesley S
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 03:39 PM

Spaw - Have you ever tried that pork roast with pecans?? I just happen to have a huge pecan tree in my back yard.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 03:08 PM

Hey Naes......RE: the carrots and lettuce leaves---Bend Over.

Soddy, I too often smoke turkey (yeah, I know, its hard to light)....I use a supply of apple wood atop the charcoal, fill the steamer pan with cider and chopped apples, and "stuff" the bird with apples too. Have you tried smoking with oranges? Another winner.

For those of you who don't like turkey.............

Spaw's Black Walnut Pork Roast

You can use any pork roast you like, but a nice tenderloin is hard to beat. Make up the following "goo"

1 Cup chopped black walnuts
1/4 cup chopped onion
1 Cup Chopped Apples
1/2 Cup Raisins
1 Cup Apple Butter
Dash of GROUND Nutmeg, Allspice, Clove.
1 teaspoon salt

Slice the roast lengthwise to create TWO long pockets and pack them full of the "goo." Tie it up as best possible and then cover the entire roast in the remainder of the goo. Use an appropriate pan, add about a 1/2 cup of water, and cover it with foil. Bake at 375 at 25 minutes per pound.

Cool slightly then slice and serve. The residue in the pan and the cutting board scrap can be additionally moistened as necessary and poured over each piece

Black Walnuts, Apples, and Pork were made for each other.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: MMario
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 02:46 PM

well, lettuce leaves are okay for swiping up the last of the gravy, and carrot sticks do pretty well to use for dip.

speaking of which...

hot artichoke dip:

2 cans artichoke hearts, drained and chopped
1 cup mayo/miracle whip
1 cup grated romano
dash tabasco or red pepper sauce

mix well, put in a shallow ovenproof casserole ( a glass pie pan works well) and bake at 350 degree F. until bubbly


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 02:39 PM

Oh yeah 'Fox, that'll eat!!! We have a fantastic little familt butcher shop in my little village here and you can readily get 'clean' suet and all those lovely organs the big joints no longer have. I'll save that one for Christmas and give it a try!!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Naemanson
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 02:39 PM

YOU PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTING! What's wrong with a few lettuce leaves and carrot sticks?

I can feel my arteries hardening and my waistline, already a loser, expanding just reading these things. Must... not... try... these... recipes!


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Hollowfox
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 01:59 PM

OK folks, here's the family recipe for Plum Pudding. I don't know how far back it goes in my family, I can verify it back to my great ganmother. My mother used to make it every Thanksgiving, and her mother-in-law always asked for the recipe, which my mother always avoided giving. My mother was probably right in thinking that Grandma wouldn't appreciate knowing she was eating suet. You want calories? You want Bad Cholesterol?? Mwahaha! (Good, though)
1/2 cup sugar
1/2 cup flour
2 teaspoons baking powder, or a pinch more
11/2 cups suet, with those bits of connecting tissue removed, coarsely chopped
1 1/2 cups TOTAL raisins, nuts, etc (more just makes it look awful)
1 small shake of salt
enough water to hold it together

Tie loosely in cheesecloth or white muslin and steam slowly at a low temperature on a trivet until it has a "bready", darkened appearance, and the fruit sticks out a bit.
A mils sauce can be made from the drippings left by the pudding, flour-&-water, butter and sugar.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Jim Krause
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 01:48 PM

Oh Spaw, man is my mouth waterin'! I gotta try that. Especially with my smoked turkey. I do the turkey at our house and I always do it on the ol' Brinkman smoker. Makes me glad all over I ain't a vegetarian.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 01:32 PM

I am not sure about how mashed got nixed just cause it's kosher, probably my Mom couldn't stand the idea of no butter or cream. Thanks for the yummy yammy ideas, though, I'll float them past the Mom of the house at which we shall feast, which isn't Mom's...


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: MMario
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 01:01 PM

*the above buttermilk pie is worth selling your soul for. this has been an unsolicited advertisement*

Candied yams can be done deliciously using honey and orange juice, or brown sugar and cider. No butter necessary.

What the problem with the mashed potatoes? You don't HAVE to make them with butter or cream you know. You can use boullion to thin them a bit, and some turkey grease to add richness. serve them with gravy rather then butter.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 12:38 PM

Sounds good Wes!!! AND BILL...Get on the stick and post that sucker!!!

NOW......Prepare to watch your teeth rot on the spot while your kids go completely batcrap after eating.......

BUTTERMILK PIE (makes 2 pies)

Make up two of your favorite recipe deep dish pie shells or but a couple of premade....your choice. Brown them a bit before adding the filling.
FILLING:
Ingredients:
5 Cups Granulated Sugar
6 Tablespoons Flour
10 Tablespoons Butter
6 Eggs
3 Cups Buttermilk
2 teaspoons Vanilla
2 teaspoons vinegar

Combine the sugar and flour. Melt the butter in a separate bowl then mix in the eggs,buttermilk,vanilla,and vinegar. Mix well!!! Add in the sugar/flour and continue mixing.....good mixing is important.

Pour the filling mixture into the pie shells and bake at 350 for 45-60 minutes (clean toothpick check). Let cool and EAT!!!

Have a supply of antacid handy and some rope to tie up your kids is helpful too.

Enjoy (and so will your dentist)

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Wesley S
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 12:00 PM

Take one can of pumpkin and put it in a blender with 1 package of cream cheese, 2 cups of powdered sugar and some cinnamon and nutmeg. Whip it all up until smooth and then dip into it with ginger snaps or even vanilla wafers. People can't get enough of it when I bring it to work or a party.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Naemanson
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 11:48 AM

Sinsull, may the Old Butcher himself slit my throat with a rusty steak knife if I ever feed anyone on canned beef stew! Beef stew is one of the simplest and most basic of dishes I cannot imagine anyone eating it out of a can.

Rest assured Sins, that stew was cadrefully hand made at home. I apologize that it was overcooked but that crock pot is new and I am not used to it yet.

I get a lot of use out of my slow cooker. The one I had at the party was a new one for I dropped my old one and rendered it useless.

Mark you, I do know what Dinty Moore canned stew tastes like, or at least what it tasted like when I was young for we used it when camping.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 11:36 AM

The Green Bean Casserole sounds a lot like my Potato Bake. This is good the day after, if all the mashed are gone. Half a bag of frozen hashed browns, 1 can of mushroom soup, 1 cup of sour cream (lite or plain yogurt) 1 cup grated cheddar and 1 bunch of green onions chopped. Bake at 350 'til bubbly. Great at pot-lucks! I make my candied yams with thick diagonal slices of yams and bananas, a little spray of Pam, and cinnamon and brown sugar ...no butter. I WANT a turkey and cranberry sandwich RIGHT now ... guess I'll just have to wait 'til Christmas! ....LL


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 10:36 AM

LaMarca had a party once, where the theme was "hopelessly Mid-western"....and green bean casserole was the centerpiece!....along with jello salad with 'those little marshmallows', it is standard fare for family gatherings.

Has anyone but ME ever cooked Thompson's Turkey? (my first time was about 1962)....the recipe for the stuffing can still be found online, but the details of preparing the bird I would have to gig up and type in....a MOST amazing recipe.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 10:34 AM

Boy that hot brown sounds good - Let me counter with a traditional Hungarian dish called (in Hungarian) Rokott Krumpli, or (to us as kids) Rocket Crumple. (Rokott Krumpli actually means sliced potatoes.) This is a dish we usually serve on Boxing Day, but you can have it anytime you want to OD on cholesterol or fat:

Take cold leftover boiled potatoes, hard-boiled eggs, some good spicy (or not) kolbász (Hungarian for Kielbasa - what you want is a sausage with some real flavor that isn't hot dogs), sour cream, and softened butter. Slice the potatoes, eggs, and sausage. Set aside the prettiest slices of potato for the top. Butter (thoroughly) a deep baking dish, preheat oven to 375. Put a layer of potatoes at the bottom, a layer of egg, lots of blobs of sour cream, and lots of dabs of butter. Put another layer of potatoes and with your bare hands, LEAN on the contents to flatten and compress. Repeat, being very generous with both sour cream and butter, and pressing down after each potato layer (goop will rise up between the slices, you will get yucky, but you can lick your fingers or hands, everything is already cooked anyway). Finish with a layer of the pretty potato slices, trying for a nice pattern. Press down again and dot (well, put a big blob) of butter on each of those potato slices. Bake for about an hour, at which time the tops will be hard and crunchy and brown, but the insides will have a kind of juice made out of the sour cream, butter, and sausage grease, which will have permeated the potatoes and eggs. This is one of the best foods in the universe, and I think you OD instantly if you try to eat it more than once or twice a year. Make sure when serving to get some of the goop from the bottom and some of the crunchy from the top for everyone. Aah.

As an aside about Thanksgiving, one of my nephews is a radical rabid fundementalist Jew (which nobody else in the family is) but to respect him, we are having a Kosher thanksgiving. I gather that the main problem from a food standpoint (at least in our family) is that we can't have mashed potatoes unless we want to wait 2 hours to eat them, as we will have to wait to have the desserts. My question is, though, is there a way to make candied yams that doesn't use any butter?


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 07:07 AM

Well I do hope you guys all had a great Thanksgiving.

Your right Catspaw, you should enjoy your food and eat what you want, besides it keeps people like me employed.
Although I do highly recommend next time you cover Karen with whipcream, use the Lite stuff. Its a great way to cut back on hidden calories.

Little Neo RD


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: GUEST,micca at work.
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 06:59 AM

Spaw, you are a true P*****son!!! we are Foodies, its genetic..I was on a "no fat" diet because of the gallstones stuff and It was AWFUL, nothing tasted right,Now they say I can eat what I like, within the restrictions od diabetes,,,
I am looking forward to trying your "Kentucky cholesterolfest" as Turkey can be really boring, the only use I have ever found for those toasted sandwich makers is to make a toasted turkey and cranberry sauce sandwich, MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm,


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 02:54 AM

Thanks kimmers. I keep MY ethnic HOUSE alive and well though!(:<))

And LL!!! You know not of Green Bean Casserole in BC? Oh my.........Its the middle of the night and I'm going back to bed, but I promise to post it tomorrow if no one has by that point. Its one of those "Holiday Meal" staples, also big at pot-lucks......Actually its simple....here we go......

Everyone does this a bit differently, but I like it best this way:

Mix together 5 cans of French Style Green Beans with one can of Cream of Mushroom soup. Add salt and pepper and a bit of garlic powder. This is a "drier" version than a lot of people make, but I like it better, you can use more soup if you like. Then take one LARGE can of Durkee's Onion Rings and mix half of it into the bean goo. Put it in a casserole dish and cover the top with the rest of the Durkee's Onion Rings. Bake til it bubbles at 350-375 (about 25 minutes and that's it!! Very simple, but real good.

Tomorrow Ely, I'll post my Buttermilk Pie and you check it out and tell me how it differs from yours....OK?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Lyrical Lady
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 12:57 AM

My Canadian sister who lives in Nebraska, celebrates 'Yank Thank' with her American relatives ... she tell's me she looking forward toward to a 'Green Bean Casserole' ... What the heck is that?

....LL


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: kimmers
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 12:48 AM

Sorry to hear about your isolation from ethnic delights, Spaw. We don't have any Italian communities here, but lots of wonderful Hispanic immigrants cooking delicious spicy yummies (like the aforementioned tamales -- one of my receptionist makes these little bundles of heaven). You want some of my sweet potato almond enchiladas? Bet we could pack 'em in dry ice or something.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Ely
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 12:26 AM

Oh, I'm glad somebody else makes buttermilk pie! Not something I'd recommend eating on a daily basis, but we're not that into heavy food.

My aunts and uncles made a tradition of oysters, which I don't understand. One of my aunts is from Indiana and always makes persimmon pudding. I want to like it but it's SOOO sweet--I've eaten it three years running and still don't know what persimmons actually taste like.

A friend of mine made apple-cranberry pie one year that was terrific. I normally don't like apple pie because it's too sugary, but this was great. I think it was pretty much ordinary apple pie with cranberries (or maybe less sugar and added cranberry sauce) in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 10:26 PM

Bonnie my sweet, the one thing I never feel guilty about is eating!!!

I eat too much and I eat what I like on the big days. The rest of the time I try to be pretty legit and not go too nuts. Some foods just don't translate well though and to me there is nothing worse than a great dish spoiled through mucking about trying to kill off the fats/cholesterol/sugars/calories/etc. Eat smart most of the time and never feel guilty for enjoying things you like occasionally.

Mario, I have enjoyed your descriptions of great foods I love. I grew up in a strongly Italian community and the quarter of me that is Italian can never forget the wonderful smells that came from Angelina Scaffidi's kitchen. Does your family eat popova? Angelina would whip it up for my Dad anytime he showed up. This was in return for her daughter Jean hanging out in my German grandma's kitchen and pigging out.

Gawd, I miss those people and that part of my childhood. It was a very ethnic community and sadly this part of Ohio is pretty "whitebread." ****sigh****

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 02:47 PM

wAIT A MINUTE!!! nAEMANSON? aRE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE STEW i RAVED ABOUT ON sATURDAY CAME OUT OF A CAN???? dINTY mOORE? Damn I even choked on my capslock.


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 01:26 PM

from SongBob, I pass on an important addition to your holiday cooking...(what...hijacking a SERIOUS thread?...nawww)

Table of Condiments that Periodically Go Bad<.a<


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: MMario
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 01:18 PM

what the heck - another item there is never enough of around our house...Tortellini en Brodo.

This is a traditional holiday/special anytime meal in our family. My grandmother served the tortellini as a first course - followed by her Rosemary baked Chicken with potatoes.

We serve the tortellini with a green salad and call that the meal. You have more room for the tortellini that way!

I's very simple...cook an appropriate amount of tortellini in a good chicken broth per the package instructions for cooking in water using about half the amount of broth as you would water. Do not drain. Serve in soup bowls with as much freshly grated parmesian/romano/favorite grating cheese as you prefer.

Please - don't use the dried ones *shudder*. And this is better using a tortellini with a non-cheese filling, as you are going to be adding cheese.

at thanksgiving I serve with a salad and dressing made according to the directions in the "Salad song"


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 01:04 PM

Sounds like I'm making you feel guilty Catspaw.

Bonnie RD


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 12:51 PM

I must try Mark's horseradish addition........

Kimmers......Thanks for the comment. Everything in moderation. Some dishes I have worked out to be almost zero fat/cholesterol and very low cal (I got a great Manicotti for instance that you can't tell from the original), but some things just don't get it without the "nasty" stuff. If I'm not eating it everyday, its really not important. I make Buttermilk Pie which is completely nauseating, but when you cut it back, it tastes like nothing. Better to have an occasional treat and eat well/smart the rest of the time than to screw up great foods.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: ThanksgivingRecipes-Let's Bite the Bird
From: MMario
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 09:07 AM

Mm that is fantastic! I may steal it to use as a bit during the street theatre I'm doing. May I? Who is it by?


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