Subject: RE: Tune Add: Missing Tunes Wanted-part V
From:
Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Jan 01 - 10:53 PM
Still listed as missing, these three have been on the Midi pages for some time now:
3739) WHITE FISHER
3749) THE WHUMMIL BORE
1846) JENNY'S BAWBEE
618) CHICKENS IN THE GARDEN ABC & Miditext posted by John here: Chickens in the Garden
The DT file doesn't mention any source, but it likely derives from the Watersons' 1975 recording; Martin Carthy and Norma Waterson learnt it from a man named Joe Udal at a shepherds' meet in the Lake District, the previous year.
I mentioned earlier that I was having trouble deciding which of heaven-knows-how-many variations of the tune for 85) ANAC CUAIN I should use; it turns out that there is a perfectly good ABC already in the Forum: Eanach Dhuin. Oh dear, all those alternate spellings...
1528) HIELAND LADDIE -This is the same tune as THE HIELAND LADDIE, which is at the midi pages.
I sent a midi for 704) COME UP AND SEE MY GARRET to Alan some time ago, but it seems to have slipped through the net, so I'll send it again. I don't have Ewan MacColl's tune, but made a midi of Jeannie Robertson's, which, if not the same, is certainly as authentic.
Some new midis (lyrics embedded as usual):
3860) YOUNG BANKER Text transcribed from a Watersons record. They got the song from the collection of Frank Kidson; I've made a midi from the tune as given in Kidson's MSS., published in the Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society (vol.III no.I, 1936). It's described as "noted by Charles Lolley", whereas the sleevenotes of Green Fields say that Kidson got the song from Mrs Kate Thompson of Knaresborough, so it may not be precisely the same set; it is at any rate from the same area, and very close given that the Watersons will have changed the tune and text a bit in the course of learning it. I've modified the note values in a couple of places to accommodate the text as given in the DT.
1956) KING JAMIE AND THE TINKLER Transcribed from a recording by John Kirkpatrick. The text is from Dixon's Ballads & Songs of the Peasantry in England, and is exactly the same as the text of The King and the Tinker, which illustrates once again the dangers of filing songs by title without cross-reference! Kirkpatrick used the tune given in the Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society (vol.III no.I, 1936), which is a traditional one found in Frank Kidson's manuscript collection, so I've made a midi from that. The tune given with the other file is quite different.
3266) STITCH IN TIME Written by Mike Waterson, with a tune by Martin Carthy adapted from On Board a Man of War. Midi made from the notation in The Sound of History, Roy Palmer, 1988. NOTE: the DT file credits neither writer, though it mentions that they have both recorded it (along with somebody called Max Hole...)
3583) WAE'S ME FOR PRINCE CHERLIE Transcribed from a record by Ewan MacColl (?) According to Wilma Paterson (Songs of Scotland, 1997) this was written by one William Glen, and set to the melody Ladie Cassiles Lilt, (Skene MS, 1615-20),which is a version of Johny Faa or the Gypsie Laddie. I've made a midi from the notation she gives with Johny Faa, which if I understand aright is actually the version from Johnson's Scots Musical Museum of 1788 (vol.II no.181) but which is so near as makes no difference. G.S. MacQuoid (Jacobite Songs and Ballads) gives a final verse not in the DT file:
But now the bird saw some redcoats,
And he shook his wings wi' anger:
"O this is no a land for me,
I'll tarry here nae langer."
A while he hovered on the wing,
Ere he departed fairly:
But weel I mind the farewell strain;
'Twas "Wae's me for Prince Charlie!"
MacColl's spelling "Cherlie" (it may have been the transcriber's, of course) looks like a typical attempt by a second generation emigrant to be ultra-Scottish, though perhaps I am being unfair.
348) BIRDS IN THE SPRING From the Copper family, who call it By The Green Grove. Midi made from the notation in Bob Copper's A Song For Every Season (1971).
I should repeat that 773) THE CUCKOO'S NEST is an Irish version that I do NOT have, though it's a marvellous piece of work. I fear that somebody else will have to take care of that one if it's to be given its proper melody. Having said that, it does look as if, with a little judicious manipulation, it might be fitted to the hornpipe version of the Cuckoo's Nest that turns up in Ireland (De Danaan once recorded the tune). I must give that some thought...
Malcolm
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