BS: Calendar - Pick a month

Subject: Calendar - Pick a month
From: alison
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 06:17 PM

OK.. time to get started... calling all people with access to any sort of publishing software.... pick a month... get some people to email you the pics.. and see how you go......

I'm going to try with publisher......

I'm looking for anyone with birthdays in May....... so Kendall, Bill D, Jed Marum and anyone else out there...... send me your pics please.... (jpeg)

slainte

alison ([e-mail])

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: alison
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 06:22 PM

here's the old thread.....

so who wants to pick another month?..... not much time if we need to get this out before January......

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Zebedee
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 07:17 PM

Alison,

The cynic in me guesses that this will never happen, but if you and the others who posted 'yes' in the previous thread are serious, I'd be happy to help organanise / co-ordinate it.

A couple of things I think need considering:

1. Getting 12 individuals to produce independent 'month' pages without any layout/design guidance is going to result in a real mess, the pages will all be different sizes to begin with... Some sort of template is needed.

2. Letting people use 'any' publishing software is going to make it a complete nightmare, or even an impossibility for whoever finally puts it together. Even if everyone used MS Publisher, different versions of Publisher won't read files created in other versions. Publisher 98 won't read Publisher 97 files or visa-versa. Neither version will open Publisher 2000 files etc.

3. Is the calender going to be a 'nude' calendar, a 'baby and adult' calender or what?

btw - my guess is that those who (understandably) don't want to appear 'nude' don't quite understand the nature of 'nudity' in this type of thing. If they did, maybe more would be interested.

I'm sorry if this sounds really negative, and there are other problems as to who prints it, how it is distributed etc.

However, I do think that ways round all the above could be found, and whilst it probably wouldn't make much money, it might make a bit and be good fun for all involved.

If your serious, I'm very happy to offer lots of help to make sure it happens.

Let me know

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Allan C.
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 07:28 PM

I thought I had read the other threads rather thoroughly but I guess I must have missed something. As I understand it the proposal is that we will have lots of different people working on separate portions of the calendar while using whatever publishing programs they have at hand. I have not seen discussion of how this all will be joined together into a single document nor how it will look when it is done.

Are we going to procure the prints of each month from each of the editors? Are the various editors going to submit their products to a single point in order for the final document to be printed as a single, cohesive item?

With regard to printing, is the final document to be sent to a printer? If so, on behalf of printers everywhere, (of which I am not one,) I beseech you to use only one program to format the document.

What about binding? Are we talking about just having some sheets all stapled together or would the whole thing be spiral bound? By whom?

I would be happy to help with what printers would call "finishing" the end product in any way I can once I understand more about it.

Ignorantly yours,

Allan

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: alison
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 07:36 PM

that's why I am asking for anyone with experience to come forward.. all I ahd in mind doing at this stage is gathering together the photos for a particular month.. and making some sort of montage.... then we send it off to who ever can actually work with the thing and let them sort out the fancy stuff.....

thanks for the offer Ed... so where do we go from here?

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Zebedee
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 08:17 PM

Where do we go from here?

My approach would be:

1. Decide on the type of calendar that we're doing. I think the only viable option is the 'nude but not nude' one.

Otherwise, only the people featured are going to pay for pictures of people that they don't know, can access for free through the resource section, and aren't particularly attractive anyway.

2. Send personal messages to everyone who said 'yes' to ascertain if they really meant it, and if they'll actually send pictures.

3. Start a new thread which includes links to pictures from other such calendars, so that the bashful can see that 'nudity' doesn't actually mean nudity.

4. Watch this thread, see who is really willing to help, and try to form a small committee (within the next few days) to organise it. Choose an overall co-ordinator for this.

5. Get in touch with Max. Get his thoughts on production / distribution / promotion.

6. Work out how to produce it. I have access to decent colour printers / binders but living in the UK would probably not be the best choice, for what is likely to be a mostly US thing.

I've got various ideas as to how to implement some of the above, but given that I'm so slow at typing, there seems little point sharing them unless a) there are enough people who are interested and b) Max agrees to the whole project.

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Allan C.
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 08:34 PM

All pictures would need to be put into a single format such as jpeg. I am not sure which format would be best for this. (I say this knowing that some have offered hard copies of their photos which would need to be digitized.) Suggestions?

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: MMario
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 08:42 PM

- photo format would depend on what program is being used to compile - most desktop publishers will import many different photo file formats.

BTW - I think we have a volunteer over on the CD cover art thread

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: GUEST,Sarah
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 08:43 PM

Alison,

I have experience. I am a commercial artist, specializing in print:

1) photos need to be jpeg if sent over the net, but CHECK RESOLUTION! For a printed piece, they need to be 200 or more, not 72. What looks clear on the computer screen is not good enough! Better to reduce it to small with high resolution than to try to send a large photo at 72dpi.

2) decide how you want to format this calendar. There are lots of different kinds out there (wall, desk, pocket).

3) gimme some photos and I'll play with a designs if you like and send a few back to you (whoever you are...)

4) at this date, you ought to be advised that you're looking at a 2002 calendar, unless you want to post one month each month and make it a collection...

Sarah

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Zebedee
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 08:46 PM

Allan C / MMario

With all due respect, I think we need to decide whether this is going to happen, who's going to do the work etc, before we start debating graphic formats....

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: alison
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 08:52 PM

Great Sarah... where are you based? (I agree it probably needs to be a US thing).......

and how much would a project like this be likely to cost?

I'd be inclined to go for a wall calendar, still keen on the nude but not nude idea...... not baby photos....

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Allan C.
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 09:03 PM

My concern was that since Alison had already announced her month, that people would start sending photos to her in every format under the sun.

I fully agree that we need a few more names in this pot before we can decide whether this will actually get off the ground.

I have some knowledge of such projects because of the field in which I used to work. However, my poor computer is just barely holding together at present and so I cannot help with the early portions of the process.

Truth is, Ed, I am very impressed with the organized way in which you are approaching this. I would vote for you as coordinator anytime.

Sarah, how wonderful of you to offer to lend a hand! Would you please consider becoming a member so that as this thing progresses we could send you personal messages? (This is one of the percs of membership. Oh, and have no fear, membership doesn't put you on any mailing lists or require anything of you in any other way. Join us!)

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: GUEST,Sarah
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 09:07 PM

Alison,

I'm in the U.S.

I'll do my end for zippo, 'cause it's fun. I can make a CD that most printers ought to be able to use, as I have the basic programs they use, and can make both CDs for Macs and Windows with my programs.

Printing costs vary. Are we going 4/C? I'd suggest that, once I've got a design everyone on the "Committee" can live with, I make pdfs of a single page and send them out with the specs to as many participants as are willing to go get bids from their local printers. That way, we can get the best deal in the country for printing. When that decision is made, the final CD can be shipped to the printer.

If you're concerned up front about costs, get a calendar and take it to your neighborhood printer and ask for a ballpark cost for however many you think should be printed. (Note: price breaks usually start at 1,000, as the cost of printing each piece lessens in proportion with the number being printed.)

I'll need a good proofreader, here. People should not proof their own work, as the errors we make are the errors we miss -- and my fingers have been known to become dyslexic...

Sarah

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 09:19 PM

I had a thought or two about this. We could make this a virtual calendar, an adjunct of the Mudcat, a special page for each month as it comes up with some graphics, photos and pertinent dates. Of course, Max would have to approve this.

The other thought I had for a virtual one, is that those who want to volunteer to do a month, get together a website on tripod or one of the other freebies, then each do their page, using the same template, with each one having access via an agreed upon name and password.

I don't have a lot of time between now and the first of the year, but will help as much as possible; am a good proofreader and have design/layout experience. Oh, also have a couple of photos.**BG**

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: alison
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 09:36 PM

Yep Allan I second Zebedee for co-ordinator..... Kat I thought of that too... but how do we get the money?

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Zebedee
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 09:41 PM

Kat,

A 'virtual' calendar would negate the whole point of this idea. I (and I hope I'm not alone) would like to do something 'different' - something that you can hang on the wall.

A virtual site (particularly hosted by tripod) will just result in rubbush pages, written by people who don't understand design, and that no-one will want to visit.

It wouldn't make any money, and beyond allowing webdesigners to smirk at how bad amateur sites are, I can't see any purpose.

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 09:49 PM

Well, thanks, Ed, for that assessment, *site* unseen! I happen to have a couple of sites on there that don't look too bad. I admit I had forgotten about the fundraising aspect.

*sigh*

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Zebedee
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 09:56 PM

Kat,

I've seen your sites, and I don't mean to criticise your work in any way.

I was simply questioning the validity of 'whoever' being in charge of each month.

'Whoever' generally doesn't know what s/he's doing.

No personal offence intended.

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Zebedee
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:10 PM

Getting back to the original purpose of this thread,

Is the production of a calendar possible?

I'd like to think so.

The number of people who might buy it / pose for it is, is an unknown.

I'd be interested in trying to make it happen.

I won't be here much for the next 36 hours, but I'm still keen to try and make it work.

January may be an unrealistic starting date, but there are a myriad of calenders that we could use as the start of the year.

If you want to make this work, let us know

Ed

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: GUEST,Sarah
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:10 PM

Alison,

I've sent you my e-mail address via yours above. You can share it with whoever's in charge of this...

Allen, I'm still a bit leery of joining things, even this wonderful place. I mean, look at what I've already gotten myself into!

Sarah

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: simon-pierre
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:18 PM

Don't forget me in May. I'll try to send the picture soon. Clothed...

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:33 PM

LMAO........This is a RIOT!!!!

Ya' see, just before I got this nasty-ass case of the flu, I was sitting here late one night and thought I'd see who was on ICQ. I log on and sure enough, my buddy alison pops in with message about the hurdy-gurdy nude calendar. Me and al get to talkin' about how depressing tings have been around the 'Cat lately with a number of serious illnesses and deaths. We think its time for some tomfoolery and decide the Mudcat Nudie Calendar would be a fun topic. I tell her to start it because no one will "play" with me on the thing and I'll make sure it gets going. She does, I do, it moves along.

NOW.....250 or more posts later y'all are sounding like a Operating Committee Meeting at a Fortune 500!!!! It started off as a joke and a way to lighten the mood and tenor of the joint! It has.....my only regret being that after the first day I was too sick to do any more than read the progress occasionally. I'm glad it has lightened things up, but at the same time, let's not get so bogged down here that this joke becomes a source of friction! Geeziz..........

Reminds me of Will Rogers old line.............

When Congress makes a joke, its a law. And when they make a law, its a joke.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:40 PM

well, I did this sample in 30 seconds with my "Calendar Commander" program...picture is only 35 megs.....I made a 12 month calendar for a friend in about an hour last year, including choosing pics, font, adding 'special days'...(Mudcat holidays could be includes..) and printing....

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: alison
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:41 PM

see what you started..... *grin*

try "matching the butts" again.. it might work now....

but now the calendar has potential..... hahaha... so what month are you going to appear 'spaw?

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: alison
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:45 PM

looks pretty good Bill, easy too....

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:46 PM

yep, spaw, things DO go like that....why it seems like only yesterday that Dick Greenhaus was sitting around saying.."Ya know what? We could put songs on a computer disk!"......

who knows, YOU could be "Mr. August"...unless enough folks contribute to keep you off..*grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Matt_R
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 10:50 PM

This was a lot more fun when it was just an idea! Don't you hate it when WORK interferes with fun???

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: GUEST,Sarah
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 11:02 PM

BillD,

Looks good -- but blurry, I'm afraid. Youse guys can do it any way you like, of course. If you're just selling amongst friends, then by all means go with a Calendar program and have a ball. My feelings won't be hurt -- hell, 20 years in this business and it ALL rolls off my back.

Sarah

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 11:13 PM

Sarah, please don't take my note as an insult, although they are my specialty. I was just taken with the humor in what this joke had become.

AND DAMMIT Bill......I want June!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 11:19 PM

Matt...you just may have a point!!!

Sarah...yep...that was just a screen capture..not a good picture

Spaw...you can have it...(I was gonna take it, but I heard "What is so rare as Day in June")

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: GUEST,Sarah
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 11:40 PM

(Sorry, hair-trigger send button...)

Spaw, I wasn't being insulted. I understood the levity bit, really. These things do take on a life of their own, though.

Y'know, though, all, here's a thought: Maybe BillD or someone could trot out a 2001 calendar to sell to mudcats, and then we could begin the concept and design for a 2002 calendar. I think I could come up with some ideas that would both benefit the mudcat and interest folks at large. Decorative calendars do sell, or you wouldn't see so many out there each year.

Sarah

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Nov 00 - 11:41 PM

No problem, Ed, but I do think it is presumpious to think that the "whomevers" would be less than adequate. We've got a slew of talented and capable people on here.

Looks good, Bill, sweet and simple.

Thanks,

katwhowantstoseeCleigh'sassonacalendarpage!

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: alison
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 01:05 AM

I think what Bill did was good....... with a better (less blurry) pic is it good enough among friends? ie. would you buy one?

my initial idea was for something along those lines but with as many people's faces etc....(*grin*) ... as we could fit on per month......

its quick and easy...... but would be be easy enough to do.....

if bill was to send a few of us the template / fonts etc.... could we put it together and forward it to someone who could do the printing?

naievely (or however that would be spelt)

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: DougR
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 01:15 AM

Why not a committee of say, Alison, kat, one or two others to make the decisions Alison posed in her second posting. Then we would agree to do whatever the committee decides to do. We would never get concensus in the whole forum. Haven't read all the posts above as I am about (Yawn) to got to bed. If someone else suggested this, I second the motion.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: DougR
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 01:17 AM

Oh, and March is my month.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Bugsy
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 01:19 AM

AUGUST.

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: bbc
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 05:30 AM

Doug,

That means you *must* have a photo in, 'cause you & I would be together (the Republican minority)! :)

bbc (1st day of Spring baby)

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: bill\sables
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 06:45 AM

As most of us are musicians could we have a calandar with lots of room beside the date to write notes re bookings and not just a grid of numbers. Another point to remember is it would be an international calandar and therefore should have public holiday days (eg 4th July) marked from every country if it is going to have any at all.
Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Naemanson
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 06:48 AM

Concerning the start of the new year and calendars please consider this. As a group, musically, we are out of step with the majority of our peers. So why on earth should we bother with a calendar that runs from January to January? What month did Mudcat become a website? Isn't that month and year the beginning of the mudcat world? If it was, say, in April why doesn't the Mudcat calendar run from April to April? Besides, April Fool's Day is the perfect start date for a Mudcat Calendar.

I'm in for July and I will be as nude as the December weather allows.

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 08:26 AM

what about a great virtual calender...

That people can print out if they wish and then that would save on a whole lot of printing costs... and perhaps an awful lot of wasted paper if the calenders don't get bought by many people?

Just an idea?

Ella

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Allan C.
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 08:51 AM

Ella, please see the post:

From: kat/katlaughing Date: 30-Nov-00 - 09:19 PM

and the follow-up:

From: Zebedee Date: 30-Nov-00 - 09:41 PM

But thanks for thinking about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 11:16 AM

ahhh but ahhhh but.....

I didn't explain properly....

Someone designs the calender as a whole - as if it were going to press...

Then they get the file of the whole calender as the finished item put into an Adobe Acrobat PDF file - or similar format... (you can also get free downloads for this program)

Where people can down load the file from a mud cat link and print off so they get their own copies...

You have to think of distribution costs too...

I know something about this I work for a publisher as a graphic designer in the UK...

On the whole I think this would be cheaper than printing... plus a whole lot more ecologically sustainable?

Anyways... Only an idea... Ella

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: MMario
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 11:50 AM

But ella - how would we raise funds with that?

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Morticia
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 12:05 PM

Well, I'm happy to be gofer, willing pair of hands, tea-maker, whatever you like....I'd looked at the programme Bill suggested and it seems pretty good.....if a few people collected and worked on montages in an agreed format within that programme then send the results to a central source for printing and distibution, I don't see why it wouldn't work.....but then I am notoriously slow sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 12:27 PM

Wherever it is printed, there will be some 'real' expenses in binding and packaging and mailing over various oceans...UNLESS several copies of a calendar program existed and it was designed, the templates emailed to the various locations, and printed in say....Australia, UK, and USA...

(I am up to my neck in craft shows till next week, but I will do some experiments with my program soon and post/email/snailmail some results)....

And, like Naemanson says...who says the Mudcat year has to start with January? Lots of us are very busy with holiday stuff right now, so a Jan. deadline may be tricky....(Mudcat was born in October....just an idea)[not that we want to wait that long]

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 01:11 PM

(the one full calendar I ever did, I did on just heavy stock paper...20 or 22 lb., I think ......and simply stapled it together....it looked fine, but needed a better binding system)

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: GUEST,Sarah
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 02:24 PM

Okay, I'm awake now (as much as I ever am), and a little more coherent than last night. Anyway, I remembered some things:

There is, now, a "press" that a lot of printers are getting so they can make short runs, anything from 30 sheets at a time to 500 or so. It's from IBM and is called a Docutech. Sort of a glorified copier, only much higher quality. And they've recently come out with a color one. The shop where I work has one on order, but it isn't due to deliver until after the new year. However, there are already plenty out there, especially in big cities. The beauty of the beast is that there are no negatives or plates needed -- everything goes straight from one computer to the Docutech computer and, voila!, out she comes at the other end! It's one of the cheapest ways to go. And it's fast -- you can usually get your product back within the week, even at a printer who is not a Quick Print Joint.

Also, most printers these days can be e-mailed your art. You'll want to snail-mail, ship or deliver a "hard copy" to them, too, or they're going to be reluctant to take responsibility for the final product. However, this does mean that you can e-mail your art overseas -- making it possible to have a few printed under the auspices of someone in England/Scotland/Ireland, another few under the auspices of an Australian mudcat, another few in Germany, etc. The on-the-scene mudcat can print out a hard copy and deliver it with the local order.

The drawbacks are that 1) the largest sheet of paper the Docutech will print on is 11 x 17; 2) you cannot bleed inks, but must leave 1/4" all the way around the paper, so your image area is actually 10-1/2 x 16-1/2; 3) I don't know about the four-color Docutech, but the black-and-white one doesn't like coated paper (the slick stuff magazines are printed on), so your photos and such must be 133 line screen (266 resolution) to avoid ink spread.

(Note: If you're running them from your own printer, it may not matter, but please note that professional printers require that photos be CMYK, not RGB. Most photos scan RGB and will need to be taken into Photoshop or a comparable program and converted.)

If all interested parties will take the time find out if there's a color Docutech nearby, get an ballpark figure for a four-color calendar of 12 pages (or 6, depending on the design), say 50 copies, and report back to "The Mudcat Calendar Committee," you'll have an idea of real cost for these. You can then broadcast a price and see what kind of orders you get in response.

Meanwhile, BillD can have fun playing with the pictures, and I'll be happy to advise on how to get the product so ready for printing that no "extras" show up on the print bills because they have to do something other than open the rascal on their computers and run it -- i.e., trapping artwork, sending backup documents and fonts with your e-mail, other stuff they don't tell you in art class.

I'm probably forgetting stuff, but that's the way I am.

Sarah

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: NightWing
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 03:25 PM

Hmm, interesting!

Turns out that DocuTech is in most Kinko's shops worldwide (check with your local shop). I just talked to a guy at my downtown Kinko's and he said that for 60-pound paper (card stock?) printing 2-sided 11x17 in color would run 4.80 USD per sheet. They offer price breaks at 100, 250, 500, and 1,000 IMPRESSIONS (thus, 50, 125, 250, and 500 sheets), with the price at 500 pages being 3.56 USD.

So, let's do the math. If this calendar were to be two-sided 11x17 in color, folded in half and stapled, a single calendar would be six pages or 28.80 USD.

Fifty calendars would be 300 pages at ~4.00 USD per sheet (just a guess, I didn't get that price) or 24.00 USD per calendar.

Somehow I'm not sure that this would be the way to go. You sure it wouldn't be cheaper to print it all at one place and pay for the international shipping?

BB,
NightWing

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Allan C.
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 04:21 PM

As someone who formerly ran a shop full of Xerox copiers, I have to agree that the Xerox Docutech is a wonderful machine that many shops use. The larger chains such as Kinkos, Sir Speedy, etc. have them. None of them handle slick sheets (coated paper) very well - even though the Xerox sales reps would have you think otherwise.

Unfortunately, I am geographically separated from all of my contacts in this field. I hope to visit one of them sometime soon, though and will pick his brain for ideas.

My guess is that we might be able to find a printer who is already tooled to run calendars and whose prices might be reasonable. I know this is true for the ones that run cookbooks for churches and clubs. Some of you big city dwellers would have a better opportunity to check on such print sources. Those of you in related businesses who get some of the professional magazines might find some useful advertisements in the back pages. All my old magazines are in storage someplace.

Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month
From: Amergin
Date: 01 Dec 00 - 04:33 PM

Personally, I like Ella's idea....what you can do is to show a couple of sample pages on a website, and if the people like it they can enter in their credit card information to download it. If they don't have a credit card (such as myself), they can send in a check or money order for an authorisation code to download it or receive a disk with the calendar on it.

Amerginwhothinksheexplaineditclearlybutisnotquitesure.