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BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised

John MacKenzie 28 Jul 01 - 04:36 PM
Dicho (Frank Staplin) 28 Jul 01 - 03:57 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jul 01 - 03:12 PM
Dorrie 28 Jul 01 - 01:37 PM
RangerSteve 28 Jul 01 - 10:57 AM
ard mhacha 28 Jul 01 - 07:01 AM
GUEST 28 Jul 01 - 06:49 AM
Clinton Hammond 28 Jul 01 - 03:55 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 28 Jul 01 - 02:36 AM
The Shambles 05 Dec 00 - 05:11 AM
GUEST 05 Dec 00 - 04:10 AM
thosp 05 Dec 00 - 01:24 AM
Ebbie 04 Dec 00 - 11:58 PM
Jeri 04 Dec 00 - 06:39 PM
The Shambles 04 Dec 00 - 06:08 PM
annamill 04 Dec 00 - 06:02 PM
The Shambles 04 Dec 00 - 05:59 PM
Kim C 04 Dec 00 - 03:57 PM
Geoff the Duck 04 Dec 00 - 03:49 PM
mousethief 04 Dec 00 - 12:34 PM
mkebenn 04 Dec 00 - 08:02 AM
Steve Parkes 04 Dec 00 - 06:38 AM
Steve Parkes 04 Dec 00 - 06:37 AM
CarolC 04 Dec 00 - 03:56 AM
flattop 04 Dec 00 - 12:00 AM
Naemanson 03 Dec 00 - 10:35 PM
Fred/Forsh 03 Dec 00 - 09:26 PM
little john cameron 03 Dec 00 - 08:52 PM
little john cameron 03 Dec 00 - 08:37 PM
Naemanson 03 Dec 00 - 08:22 PM
Jeri 03 Dec 00 - 07:22 PM
Jon Freeman 03 Dec 00 - 06:53 PM
John Routledge 03 Dec 00 - 06:14 PM
Long Firm Freddie 03 Dec 00 - 05:42 PM
CarolC 03 Dec 00 - 05:30 PM
Geoff the Duck 03 Dec 00 - 04:53 PM
sophocleese 03 Dec 00 - 04:50 PM
The Shambles 03 Dec 00 - 01:23 PM
Jon Freeman 03 Dec 00 - 01:04 PM
flattop 03 Dec 00 - 12:53 PM
SINSULL 03 Dec 00 - 12:22 PM
sophocleese 03 Dec 00 - 12:12 PM
Noreen 03 Dec 00 - 11:40 AM
The Shambles 03 Dec 00 - 11:30 AM
flattop 03 Dec 00 - 09:42 AM
mkebenn 03 Dec 00 - 07:38 AM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Dec 00 - 07:11 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 04:36 PM

Naemanson, look at the words of National Brotherhood Week by the peerless Tom Lehrer.

Jock


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 03:57 PM

Yorkshire pud- (you have made me hungry) has become universal, at least in the English-speaking world. I have found it across the States and Canada and certainly the people from the Upside down regions know it. A relative in the southern states is the hushpuppy, but made with fine corn flour. Thanks, Shambles, for the Britain Express site.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 03:12 PM

This thread has drawn attention to a real potential threat to Mudcat...the Orillia Clique! Now, as a long time member of this would-be Orillia Clique, I will say this...

We have TRIED to divide the Mudcat into regional groupings, we have ATTEMPTED to shut down threads, yes, we have even attempted TOTAL DOMINATION of this forum!

And you know what? It's been an utter failure.

Inner dissension in the clique itself has caused untold damage to our plans. Flattop's ramblings have imperilled our viability, to say nothing of our CREDibility. Some guy called catspaw49 keeps screwing things up by intruding on our discussions. He's not from Orillia, but no doubt wishes he was. It is his envy that makes him harass us (poor guy lives in the Midwest...some godforsaken piece of real estate called Ohio, if I remember correctly).

Others have chosen to totally ignore us. I am going to return the favour by not naming a single one of them here. May they suffer in wretched anonymity...

I am at this point deeply pessimistic about our chances of ever taking over this forum, but that doesn't mean you should not all remain vigilant.

We're out there, eh?

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Dorrie
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 01:37 PM

Hey john My boyfriend plays in aunt bessies east yorkshire brass band but sadly they don't get any free puds

sorry but i was always proud of the aunt bessie thing

dorrie xx


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: RangerSteve
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 10:57 AM

Jeri - Want to form a rock band? Extraordinary Exploding Sheep Lungs is too good a name to waste.

Little John Cameron - Thanks for the recipe. I was ignorant of the ingredients the only time I ever had haggis. Believe it or not, I'd eat it again, even knowing what's in it now.

If anyone in New Jersey wants to try haggis, there's a Scottish deli in Hightstown that sells it.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: ard mhacha
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 07:01 AM

Of course music is universal and is enjoyed by all,but. Selby has a point. Catspaw asks him to be specific, well someone from the US in a recent thread was jumping with joy at receiving a $300 tax return. The long line of replys were all from the US. In another thread the Oracle of Mudcat McGrath from Harlow asked to be enlightened about a thread concerning the appointment of a black Judge to the Supreme Court, in that case he was certainly right as the thread began in such a way as to have the European Mudcatters confused. So Selby I am about the only one in this thread that believes you have a point. I usually lash on to the music threads but this thread struck a chord. [non musical]. I must finish by praising this site, unsurpassed for its contributors knowledge of folk music. Slan Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 06:49 AM

Flattop; one thing about Yorkshire puds - they never have a flattop. Yorkshire women pride themselves on their Yorkshire pudding - making skills.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 03:55 AM

Vegetarian haggis???

That's a bad as non-alcoholic beer, or decaf coffee!!!

And well, I serve my mead with any meal...


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 28 Jul 01 - 02:36 AM

I can't believe some of you dont know what Yorkshire Pudding is! At the back of my house is the biggest Yorkshire Pudding factory in the world (Aunt Bessies, a subsidary of William Jackson PLC, 40 Derringham St. Hull) Serve with Roast Beef, Roast potatoes and gravy.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Dec 00 - 05:11 AM

Isn't Selby in Yorkshire?


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 00 - 04:10 AM

Mead with haggis ?

A dram of whisky is the best accompaniment for haggis - a lot of people actually pour a bit over the opened haggis to add to the flavour.

Incidently, McSweeney's do a wonderful vegetarian haggis for anybody who is too squeemish for the real thing.

Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: thosp
Date: 05 Dec 00 - 01:24 AM

well i do have a tendency to talk to myself -- and i never stray very far from where i am -- so possibly i and myself are guilty as charged --- :)

peace (Y) thosp


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 11:58 PM

Every year we in town here have a Robert Burns night (and as it's gotten to be fancy dress, 'tis said they probably wouldn't let the man in the door) and they always serve two haggis (haggi?), one with sheep's stomach and one not.

Frankly, I like the stuff- but I must say I didn't linger over Little John's recipe.

It's served with mead- I have no idea how authentic that is but we have a healthy Scots population here.

Naemanson, I loved the line about the cooks not eating the resulting dish!

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 06:39 PM

Then again, maybe it's a good thing if LJC and his Extraordinary Exploding Sheep Lungs stay wherever it is they are. Can you imagine some of these folks showing up at your party with their culinary contribution?

"What is that? Smells...interesting."
"Broiled goat noses in a tangy slug sauce."
"Oh, I'll just put it over there in between the "fish eyeballs in a blanket" h'ors d'oevres Flattop brought and the haggis."


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 06:08 PM

What is it with the world?


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: annamill
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 06:02 PM

Of course we're regionalized... to Earth ;-)

Well, come to think of it...maybe not!

Love, annamill


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 05:59 PM

Steve I take your point but I would suggest that our common tongue is more likely to be music?


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Kim C
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 03:57 PM

I don't know what you're talking about and y'all be sweet to my esteemed pard Little John!


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 03:49 PM

Hi Jeri, Mrs.Duck and myself were two of the UK residents tuning into Barry Finn's party in NH, USA. We thoroughly enjoyed singing along with the throng!!! (until the internet connection went down)
This is the sort of "Regionalism" I can handle!!! Sat in Yorkshire and singing along with songs in America and Australasia.
Geoff the Duck.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: mousethief
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 12:34 PM

Dog: I'm learning to cook, and I want to make a dish everybody can enjoy. So tell me what your favorite food is.

Aardvark: Ants!

Horse: Oats!

Wolf: Sheep intestines!

[[[later]]]

Dog: Well, what do you think?!

Aardvark: Hmmm....

Horse: Hmmm....

Wolf: Hmmm....

Scotsman: Och! Bonnie haggis! And I love the wee black crunchy things!

----------------------------------

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: mkebenn
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 08:02 AM

Soph, No, I live in New York, but drive thru every fall on the way to Baptiste lake in Haliburton. Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 06:38 AM

Sorry, that should be "Chat à Boue", of course!


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 06:37 AM

It ain't me babe! (I'm talking about regionalism now, not Yorksire puds.)

I've never perceived the 'Cat as anything other than an international, or non-national, community. We like to have a dig at each other now and then, but what friends don't? I think there's a definite bias towards anglophones, but that's because most of us English speakers aren't very good at other languages. A lot of UK-ers can speak passable French, while a lot of US-ers can speak reasonable Spanish, but we've still only one common tongue. (Maybe I should rephrase that last bit -- what a revolting thought!) I've had a go at the French in the past, but the truth is there are very few (none?) French Mudcatters. Maybe there's a Chat á Boue oput there, but it wouldn't be much use to me!,br>
Steve


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 03:56 AM

GEEZE little john cameron!!!! (ralph!)


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: flattop
Date: 04 Dec 00 - 12:00 AM

I must say Shambles, those aren't the best looking buns that I've laid my eyes on. They're cooked up in gobs of bacon fat? When I bake bread I like to make it without any fat, just bake it at a high temperature to get a nice crust.

However, after reading Long Firm Freddie's link to Yorkshire Pudden, I could work up an appetite for Yorkshire Pudden or at least work up a bit of drool over the bit about, 'It's real Yorkshire Pudden that makes Yorkshire lassies so buxum and broad in the hips.' Now if little john cameron would just stick to wholesome Newfie dishes like cod tongues and seal flipper pie we'd all be a little less queasy.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 10:35 PM

The cookbook I have says to cook haggis with the windpipe hanging over the edge of the pot so the "black impurities" inside the lungs can drip outside the cooking pot.

Ny cookbook also says there is a clear dichotomy between those who cook haggis and those who eat it. The authors stated they could find no cooks who would eat the resulting dish.

I live in Maine and my cookbooks range the world, So too does my music and, since I found the Mudcat, my friends.

No regionalization here!


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Fred/Forsh
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 09:26 PM

Ok, let's see....any other mudcatters in the North East of England?


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: little john cameron
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 08:52 PM

Haggis

Ingredients

1 cleaned sheeps stomach

2lb dry oatmeal
1lb chopped mutton suet

1lb lambs or deers liver - boiled and minced

1pt (2cups) stock

Heart & lungs of sheep - boiled and minced

1lb chopped onion

1/2 teaspoon each of cayenne pepper, jamaica pepper
(allspice), pepper and salt Toast oatmeal until crisp then mix all ingredients
(except sheeps stomach) together and add the stock.
Fill bag to just over half full, press out air and sew up
securely. Have ready large pot of boiling water, prick
haggis all over with large needle so it does not burst.
Boil slowly 4-5 hours.

Note also - I have been advised that when boiling the
lungs, it is wise to let the trachea (windpipe)hang over
the side of the pot. If you don't do this and the trachea
folds over on itself in the pot the air trapped in the
lungs will expand and cause the lungs to burst, spraying
your kitchen with boiling water and bits of improperly
cooked offal

ljc


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: little john cameron
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 08:37 PM

Here's the "CHIEF O PUDDENS"
http://www.rabbie-burns.com/the_poems/addresstoahaggis.cfm
Nae picturs tho as ah widnae want tae mak ye boak. ljc


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 08:22 PM

Because that is what happened that night.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 07:22 PM

I must tell you, I was at a regional gathering - Barry Finn's party in NH, USA, where we sat and sang to people in other parts of the US, the UK and Australia, and listened to them sing to us in PalTalk. I was used to this sort of thing, but a few people at the party asked "Are we really hearing people in ENGLAND?!?!"

I don't think this sort of thing has happened anywhere else before.

Now, imagine people in Australia listening to a singer from Scotland at a party in the US...


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 06:53 PM

Love the link LFF, thanks!

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: John Routledge
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 06:14 PM

Selby - Perceived Regionalisation?

Whilst people from all over the world can come to any organised Mudcat event it is inevitable that the majority of people attending will come from relatively near.

To this extent the event is regionalised. Similarly making arrangements "in public" on a thread is carried out by the people attending and so is again regionalised to use your word.

In reality it cannot be any other way as for example I cannot see me being of much use in the setting up of a weekend music gathering in say North Carolina never mind actually attending.

The antidote to regionalisation is for all parts of the Mudcat globe to get in there and organise events and who knows I might even get to North Carolina one of these days.

MUDCAT COMPUTER LINKS ARE AN IMPORTANT BUT NOT ONLY INGREDIENT IN THE MUDCAT PIE.

Everybody keep communicating. Cheers G.Broon


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Long Firm Freddie
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 05:42 PM

Yorkshire Pudden

Nice!

LFF


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 05:30 PM

Well, flattop, as far as Yorkshire women are concerned, I really can't say. Actually, I can't speak for the Yorkshire men either. But if you check the pictures of the Llanstock event you'll see several U.K. men playing different kinds of accordions and squeezeboxes, but no women playing them.

The ability to play with yourself (in or out of a McGill) is one of the beauties of the accordion. Give it a try. See for yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 04:53 PM

Flattop - The Yorkshire Pudding is a queen amongst puddings, and can in no way be described as an unattractive lump. Unfortunately it is frequently murdered by people who think that they can cook!

I'll see if I can fish out the text of an old monologue concerning the first Yorkshire pudding and how it was made. Perhaps if Mouldy tunes into this thread, she might beat me to it!
Back (Quack) later,
GtD


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: sophocleese
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 04:50 PM

Yorkshire Pudding, oh god I'm getting hungry. When I was a kid my grandmother would make 'little orkshires' for me, they were delicious. Now I'm going to have to make some myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: The Shambles
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 01:23 PM

Picture of said Yorkshire Pudding


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 01:04 PM

Flattop, try serving it with a roast beef dinner. It is well worth trying.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: flattop
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 12:53 PM

Thanks for the link Shambles. Why is there no pictures of this pudding? Is it a particularily unattractive lump of dough? The page you linked and about dozen other pudding pages that I checked have no picture. I found picture of Yorkshire and pictures of Yorkshire-Duroc piglets but no pudding. Are piglets more photogenic? Would Yorkshire Pudding look good on a plate with grits or must it be served with mushy peas or peas pie? Is it really eatable? Do you recommend it?


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 12:22 PM

That Yorkshire accent makes me melt. They can have the key to my toilet even if they aren't red-blooded Americans. I'm not prejudiced - regionalized - but not prejudiced.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: sophocleese
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 12:12 PM

mkebenn, yes indeed the Orillia being mentioned is that pretty little town that hosts the Stephen Leacock house. Do you live nearby?


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Noreen
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 11:40 AM

Selby, I was aware of this in the Manchester gathering / Llanstock threads, to some extent, but that's unavoidable. I hope that the positive things being said there would only serve to encourage others to attend future gatherings, or even to set up their own meetings. I'd hate it if it made anybody feel excluded at all...

I can't say I've noticed what you describe in any other threads- judge from the Xmas pud thread?

Noreen


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: The Shambles
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 11:30 AM

Yorkshire Pud


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: flattop
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 09:42 AM

Let's not forget the Yorkshire women, Carol. Do they play squeezebox too? If they have squeezeboxes and pentatonics they would just need to find McGills where they could sit and play with themselves. A frightening thought, all those Yorkshire(wo)men mulling around North America in search of Orillia and one of Orillia's world famous blue plastic McGill toilets. I trust that that doesn't sound too cliquey.

Speaking of Yorkshire, what's Yorkshire pudding? Is that something too risque for our McGills?


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: mkebenn
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 07:38 AM

Soph, is the Orillia mentioned the pretty little town at the top of Simco in Ont? Mike.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 07:11 AM

"I'm having trouble focusing on whether this thread is supposed to be humourous or serious."

What can it mean to say that a thread "is supposed to be humorous or serious" - who would be doing the supposing? It's a bit like saying a day is meant to be sunny or windy. It is what it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Gary T
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 01:57 AM

I guess I have to admit I'm confused by the question. If I read it correctly, the contention is that some of us post only to threads containing exclusively posts by others in the same geographical area. (I mention posting rather than communicating, as anyone can read any thread without our knowing about it, thus communication can occur that no one but the individual reader is aware of.) This raises numerous questions:

Is it known for a fact that said people are indeed posting only to these particular threads (in other words, has EVERY recent post by these folks and/or EVERY recent thread been scrutinized)?

If so, so what? (Not meaning to be disdainful, rather wondering what, if any, difference does it make to anyone.)

What is meant by "shut a thread down"? (What I would expect it to mean is something I've never seen happen.)

selby, some clarification please?


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Dec 00 - 01:40 AM

Well, I was going to make a goodwill Mudcat tour to Australia, but then John in Brisbane told he has an 8-foot snake living under his house.
Worse than that, I found out Alison has a husband living in her house!
Maybe I'll try Europe....
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: is mudcat becaming regionalised
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Dec 00 - 11:50 PM

Oooh, flattop! I've gone all wobbly just thinking about all those Yorkshire Mudcat men pilgrimaging around North America in search of toilet keys...

(most of them play accordion, you know)


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