Subject: RE: Origins: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 10 Nov 19 - 09:43 AM No, it does not get better than this..the McGarrigles are a perfect example of contemporary "folk" tradition. |
Subject: RE: Origins: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Dave Hanson Date: 10 Nov 19 - 03:20 AM Spot on Joe. Dave H |
Subject: RE: Origins: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Nov 19 - 02:01 AM A performance by Linda Ronstadt and the McGarrigles. Does it get any better than this? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Johnny J Date: 09 Nov 18 - 08:02 AM Thanks to The Sandman.. I was going to mention MWR myself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwxscWg5V8I |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: The Sandman Date: 09 Nov 18 - 04:28 AM This song apperars tohave been folk processed and on occasions turns up as australian trad, listen to martin wyndham reads introduction ,it was apparantly an irish tune and a danish song, what a wonderful voice martyn has https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwxscWg5V8I |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: GUEST,jab burda Date: 08 Nov 18 - 06:31 AM I missed the notion, that every piece of S. Foster's work, the songs/tunes, were appropriated by everyone, immediately following publication. How easy it was to claim authorship, as NO rules/royalties. So you wrote "Oh, Susannah"? How nice. Keep up the speculation. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: maeve Date: 08 Oct 13 - 01:17 PM Thank you very much, Q. I'll add it to my "Wish I had that!" list. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Oct 13 - 12:47 PM Maeve, The book by Tawa, "Sweet Songs for Gentle Americans,...." is in print. A copy from Amazon.ca is $18; perhaps a little cheaper from an American .com dealer. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Jim McLean Date: 07 Oct 13 - 05:52 PM Joe, Gutcher, PM me with an address or email me at jawmac@aol.com |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: GUEST,Gutcher Date: 07 Oct 13 - 05:17 PM Ann. guest above was I. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: GUEST Date: 07 Oct 13 - 05:09 PM As a connoisseur and singer of dreich songs Gentle Annie is up there with the Floors O The Forest, Annies Tryst and My Ain Countree {the gospel song in Scots] as well as the one with the same title by A.Cunningham. Jim---when I have worked out how to get back on the forum from this location some forty miles from my home I will trouble you for a copy of the article mentioned in you last post. Aye yours, Joe. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: maeve Date: 07 Oct 13 - 05:05 PM PM sent, Jim McLean. Thanks for that last reference, Q. I've been looking for research regarding melodic patterns. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Oct 13 - 04:58 PM "Sweet Songs for Gentle Americans, The Parlor Song in America, 1790-1860, by Nicholas E. Tawa (Bowling Green Press), should be read by anyone trying to make comparisons between melodies. Portions are on line in a google "preview." He points out that half the melodic phrases of the most popular parlor songs assume one of six shapes or patterns. These are based on general correspondences in the structure of stressed notes. Foster melodies and Scottish melodies of the same form are discussed. An example he gives is the resemblance of some Foster tunes to the "Annie Laurie of Lady Scott. One characteristic is an octave leap from 1 to 8. "It would be a mistake to assume that Foster necessarily imitated the Scott tune." He cites the melody "No More" (By a young lady from Georgia) which appeared before "Annie Laurie," which has the same 1-8 skip. Also cited is a song by Samuel Lover, whose opening resembles that of "Annie Laurie." Perhaps the conclusion is that musical compositions with the same cultural heritage may appear similar. For these reasons, I am skeptical of statements that "the tune was taken from a familiar ------- melody." |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Jim McLean Date: 07 Oct 13 - 04:12 PM Maeve, I doubt if the article is printed in full anywhere. If you PM me with your address, I'd be happy to post you photo copies of the pages of the article. .. this offer is also available to Q and anyone else interested. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Oct 13 - 04:03 PM "Gentle Annie" has been compared with an Irish song (Wikipedia). A broadside, unattributed, with Foster's lyrics was published in Glasgow in the 1850s by James Lindsay; it has a woodcut, and is included in the National Library of Scotland Digital Collection. http://digital.nls.uk/broadsides/broadside.cfm/id/14824 In the commentary with the broadside, they state that the song is "now considered one of Foster's six finest songs." No comment is made on tune comparisons. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: maeve Date: 07 Oct 13 - 02:17 PM That article- and I'd love to read it- was mentioned in at least one earlier discussion on Mudcat, quoted here: *** Subject: RE: Stephen Foster - How original was he? From: Jim McLean - PM Date: 09 Aug 11 - 07:18 AM There is an article by George Pullen Jackson in The Musical Quarterly, Vol. XXII, 1936, called Stephen Foster's debt to American Folk-song. There are many examples of derivations for his most famous songs.Just a couple of examples,'Linda Has Departed', 1859, uses the Tannahill suggested tune for 'The Braes o' Balquhidder', The Three Carles o' Buchannan, 'Willie, We Have Missed You' 1854, uses the melody of 'Jock of Hazeldene'. **************** Jim McLean- Do you know if an available online source for this article? Cordially, Maeve |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Jim McLean Date: 07 Oct 13 - 01:32 PM I think you should try and read his article on Stephen Foster ... and what about Anne Geddes Gilchrist? She postulated a relationship between The Grey Cock and Old Black Joe. These people, eminent musicologist cannot be ignored. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Oct 13 - 12:38 PM George Pullen Jackson is best known as an expert on fasola singing. A professor of German, he studied and wrote on southern U. S. folk music and worked to establish symphonic music orchestras in Nashville and elsewhere. His opinions on song relationships are not universally accepted. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Jim McLean Date: 07 Oct 13 - 04:33 AM I should also have added this lady, who wrote a paper for the FSS regarding the similarity of Old Blacj Joe to the Grey Cock Anne Gilchrist OBE FSA (8 December 1863 – 24 July 1954) was a British folk song collector. Anne Geddes Gilchrist was born in Manchester, to Scottish parents. She had a musical upbringing and was related to Rev Neil Livingston, who compiled a psalter. After meeting Sabine Baring-Gould she became involved with folk music and joined the Editorial Board of the Folk-Song Society in 1906. She had an unusually good memory for hymn tunes, one of her areas of expertise. Gilchrist is a neglected figure because she did not write any books. Instead she contributed many scholarly articles to the Journal of the Folk-Song Society. In the very first edition of the Journal of the Folk-Song Society she wrote an article on the song Long Lankin. She reports that a woman in Northumberland used to frighten children by shouting "There's Long Lankin". Gilchrist collected songs from Scotland and the north-west of England. This was particularly valuable, as few folk-song collections had been made from that part of England. Following the discovery of a medieval sculpted stone in Cumberland, she was admitted to the Society of Antiquaries in 1935, at the age of 70. She was awarded the OBE in 1948 for her services to folk song and dance. Her last scholarly article was written at the age of 79. Her papers are lodged in the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Jim McLean Date: 07 Oct 13 - 04:24 AM I'm not the only one who has made these suggestions. George Pullen Jackson (1874-1953) was an American educator and musicologist. Jackson was a native of Monson, Maine. He was a pioneer in the field of Southern (U.S.) hymnody. Many consider him the "most diligent scholar of fasola singing" in the 20th century and one of the foremost musicologists of American folk songs. He was responsible for popularizing the term "white spirituals" to describe the "fasola" singing. During the 1940s, Jackson studied the roots of anabaptist music (Amish and Mennonite). He proposed the now generally accepted view that the original tunes used in Der Ausbund hymnal were popular medieval melodies.[1]Der Ausbund is still used by Amish groups and has the distinction of being the hymnal with a history of the longest continual use (1564 to the present; the latest edition being published in 1999).[2] If you can get hold of his article on Stephen Foster in The Musical Quarterly Vol 22, Jan Oct 1936, you'll find it quite enlightening. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 06 Oct 13 - 05:52 PM I know both tunes and I just made a MIDI of Gentle Annie. I don't think there's much relationship between the two tunes. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 06 Oct 13 - 04:27 PM No appreciable resemblance except both tunes are within the 4-line verse framework. Methinks Mr. McLean has an overactive imagination. He had also suggested Scottish tune origin for "Old Black Joe." |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Jim McLean Date: 06 Oct 13 - 04:17 PM melodies suggested by Annie Laurie? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 06 Oct 13 - 03:43 PM It makes a nice melody for flute or whistle. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Gentle Annie (Stephen Foster) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 05 Oct 13 - 03:40 PM Robert Shaw Chorale- recording on youtube. Excellent midi, and mp3, with lyrics at http://www.stephen-foster-songs.de/foster008.htm |
Subject: RE: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: GUEST Date: 11 Jan 07 - 12:23 PM Beautiful recording of this by Andrew MacPherson, Scottish Tenor. |
Subject: RE: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: GUEST,Uncle Jaque in Maine Date: 10 Jan 07 - 02:15 PM Mon; that was fast! - thanks! I tried LEVY but wasnt able to come up with it - guess I messed up. I did find a copy of some original sheet music at: American Memory Collection: Gentle Annie Now I'll have to transcribe it into G or D (for tin whistle). |
Subject: RE: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:53 PM "Gentle Annie" (1856) sheet music at the Levy collection, Johns Hopkins University. Also at American Memory, Library of Congress. |
Subject: RE: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: Peace Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:41 PM Everything Dulcimer ... and much more! Chord Aid - Chords with Fingering. Submitted by Steve Smith. Available formats: | Acrobat(.pdf) ... Gentle Annie. Nice Stephen Foster tune ... www.everythingdulcimer.com/tab/ - 109k - Cached - Similar pages Everything Dulcimer ... and much more! It will become clear after that if you click the Acrobat link after you click the song. If you're having trouble, post here or message me. As to the chords, they are given on the sheet music. If you require it transposed to another key, let me know. |
Subject: RE: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: Jim Lad Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:21 PM What a wonderful piece of work. thank You for that. |
Subject: RE: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: GUEST,Uncle Jaque in Maine Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:15 PM I was familiar with the BOK version, but didn't realize that it was an old Foster tune till recently. I could probably figure out some chords for it, but does anybody have the proper ones handy? I usually play in G and capo up a required, although I have yet to whittle up an authentic period "choker" (capo) for my 19th Century gut-strung parlor guitar. Would also like to see sheet music / notation for it, too. TIA - UJ |
Subject: Tune Add: GENTLE ANNIE (Stephen Foster) From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Apr 99 - 02:33 AM (transferred from John of Brisbane's post in another thread) Couldn't find the recent(ish) thread on this, but don't believe that the tune has been posted. This is the standard Foster tune, which in its original form has much more of a martial feel to it. While this is not exactly the same as the version I first learned some time ago it seems to be close enough - for folk music. The Australian version is sung much more slowly as a ballad.
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Subject: RE: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: Justin Date: 03 Oct 97 - 05:28 PM You know, that song (like some other Stephan Foster songs) is one that is claimed by several cultures as one of their folk songs. Most of us know the Australian version from Eric Bogle and Martin Windham Read, and I've heard it claimed by Ireland, Brittany, Norway and I think others, but until now I don't think I ever heard the original lyrics (or the story). Thanks so much, Dusterjim. |
Subject: RE: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: becca Date: 03 Oct 97 - 09:40 AM Thanks so much! What a sad and lovely song. Becca |
Subject: Lyr Add: GENTLE ANNIE (Stephen Foster) From: dusterjim Date: 21 Sep 97 - 07:33 PM Here are the lyrics, but first the story behind the song so you can better appreciate the song.
Once on a stormy night a little girl, sent on an errand, was run over by a dray and killed. She had her head and face covered by a shawl to keep off the peltings of the storm, and in crossing the street she ran under the horse's feet. Stephen was dressed and about to go to an evening party when he learned of the tragedy. He went immediately to the little girl's father, who was a poor working man and a neighbor whom he esteemed. He gave up all thought of going to the party and remained all night with the dead child and her afflicted parents, endeavoring to afford the latter what comfort he could.
CHORUS: Shall we never more behold thee;
2. We have roamed and loved mid the bowers,
3. Ah! the hours grow sad while I ponder |
Subject: Gentle Annie-Stephen Foster lyrics From: Becca Date: 21 Sep 97 - 04:35 PM I'm looking for the lyrics to the original Stephen Foster version of "Gentle Annie." Thanks! |
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