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GUEST,Roger the Skiffler (aka Scrooge) 13 Dec 00 - 11:29 AM
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Clinton Hammond2 13 Dec 00 - 12:29 PM
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Subject: Bah Humbug
From: GUEST,Roger the Skiffler (aka Scrooge)
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 11:29 AM

Has the world gone mad? Last weekend, Herself bought a pair of Santa earrings to wear at her office "do". When she got home she found the flashing light on one didn't work so she's taking them back this Saturday as they'd "look silly".
"As opposed to two flashing Santa earrings, one would look silly?" was my reaction. Now, today, my younger work colleagues have come out in a rash of santa hats, reindeer antlers, stars-on-sticks headdresses, assorted flashing Xmas badges and earrings, tinsel halos,tinsel boas etc. It isn't even end of term till Friday, let alone the holiday.
When I had my own office (as opposed to my present Dilbert-type cubicle) I used to put up a sign showing a Xmas tree with a red line through it saying "This is a Xmas-free zone" to deter the paper chain and balloon fanatics.
Am I just an old grouch?
I celebrate Xmas at home, but at work?
Dear Dr Mudcat, please advise
RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: AndyG
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:04 PM

A Doctor Writes:

Dear Roger

You appear to be suffering from Xmassic-Stress (XS)
for which the only known cure is restraint and fasting.

I suggest you lock yourself in the reprographics centre until either:

A) The photocopier toner looks edible
OR
B) Easter

AndyG

PS
Really ? Flashing Santa earrings ?
Dearie dearie me !


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:13 PM

Well you think you have it bad? Christmas IS my work. I spend every month of the year with these pesky elves keep coming up to me with their bright ideas. I try to sleep and forget the whole thing until Christmas Eve. It is about all I can do to get in to the spirit then. Two bottles of brandy will usually help. It also helps to keep the red nose.

They keep waking me up, to ask me if this or that, battery powered, plastic 'whatnot', will be the thing to catch on this year. They shove all these flashing, bleeping, glittering bits of rubbish in my face. It's enough to start me on the brandy in January.

That's bad enough but then they start on the year's Christmas novelty 'pop' song and try to drag me into the recording and to make guest appearances in all those videos ARRHHHGGG!!!………………………

So you think you've got it bad?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:17 PM

yeah for roger...

I totally agree...

I don't feel at all christmassy at work... They have gone mad in the main office, and my office is totally void of anything with a slighty bit of sparkle on it... cept me..

actually....groan...someone just sent me a card, which is up on my puter... not that I am enthralled about that either...

I have reasons this year, for not being bothered about christmas... and they all hurt!

But apart from that, decorations look messy and drive me up the wall...

ours are not even up at home...

perhaps I need some help finding a christmas cheer this year...

Ella


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:18 PM

Dear Santa...

Please can I have...

A better year next year!

:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Troll
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:24 PM

I'm retired so no prob at work and the Memsahib and Heir are Jewish so home is low-key. But the stores have been going Gaga since before Hallow'een.
Happily, the Solstice and other such celebrations are pretty commercial free but I think the money changers need to be driven out of the Temple once again.

troll


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:24 PM

RtS - you are right, of course. The world HAS gone mad. Put weedkiller on the Christmas tree and laxatives in the mulled wine. Declare yourself the Antisanta. You'll feel much better for it.


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Subject: MMmmm... Humbugs...
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:29 PM

you people suck!!

Christmas is great!!

:-P


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: MMario
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:43 PM

I can sympathize - I am spending every weekend being one of those people who are shoving Christmas down your throat for commercial purposes. (But I try to do it with some humour, at least. and a smile)

By the time Christmas gets here, I'm gonna be so scrooge-d I will have problems enjoying it!!!

On the other hand - even one face going from grouchy to grinning is worth it some days!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Morticia
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:43 PM

The Anti-Santa.....I love it,LOL.I guess he goes round pissing down peoples chimneys and rewarding the bad kids with their own nuclear weapons?What a concept! My kids would have done much better with him than the regular guy....not that's there anything wrong with the regular guy, oh dear me no, and I, after all, have been terrifically good all year so have nothing to worry about (sickly and sycophantic smile).


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:44 PM

"Charlie Brown, you're the only person I know who can take a wonderful season like Christmas and make a problem out of it." ---Linus Van Pelt

Obviously Linus didn't know you guys.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 12:51 PM

Morticia - pissing down chimneys... classic! And he leaves reindeer shit on the roof.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: MMario
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 01:02 PM

Alex - the stores around here have been pushing Christmas since Labor Day. 4 months of even a good thing can get wearing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 01:22 PM

Hum Bahbug!

I like Christmas for all the right reasons and ignore the other reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Matt_R
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 01:52 PM

me too! Even the commercialism I love! Christmas Christmas everywhere! Weee!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 01:54 PM

Focus, MMario, focus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 02:11 PM

Roger, does this mean I won't be getting a Christmas card from you this year?
Oh well, guess I'll stop asking the mailman everyday.

:(


Little Neo


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 02:25 PM

Well, I am waffling on the Christmas thing this year. Since we bought a new car, and are saving up for a trip next year, we set a budget, so that was a little of a drag. I did get Mister's gifts under the budget, though.

Some of you know my father died in August... I am really missing him a lot these days. A LOT.

Found out my Army friend will be going to another post, far far away (albeit still in the States). He's not going till July but it's got me in a pet nonetheless. Plus he was in an auto accident last week - not hurt, but car badly damaged.

I don't decorate my cube at work but I do have a Christmas sweater that I like to wear, and some Christmas jewelry that I made myself. I do have one of those jingle-bell necklaces, and a Santa hat... although the hat's been in the basement for a year and is a little musty.

I really do like Christmas but I just don't feel up to it this year, which makes me feel even worse, because people depend on me to be the One Who Goes to Eleven (you Spinal Tap fans know what that means). So when I'm only at about Four or Five I feel like I'm letting everyone down. :(

Have two performances this weekend; not looking forward to it but once I get going I will be okay. After all that's my gift to share with the world.

Saturday night I'm putting on my fuzzy slippers and watching It's A Wonderful Life...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 03:04 PM

Kim, and all, I suppose it's OK if once in a while we don't go to eleven about the season. Call it taking a year off.

I was not at my best for Christmas, 1994, because that was my first Christmas without my kids after my wife and I separated. I bounced back. This is the year of my big heartbreak (I was supposed to be married by now but she found better things to do). I can and will bounce back this year.

And remember, scaling back this year doesn't mean you have to go to 12 next year!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Kim C
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 03:35 PM

thanks Naemanson. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 03:56 PM

Yes, you are an old grouch. I agree with Matt R (OOPS!). I love good old fashioned, hyper-commercialized, uber-tacky, in-your-face XMAS!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Penny S.
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:16 PM

Being at school, I get to see the children's reaction - today in the concert, a child with Asperger's syndrome, utterly rapt up in the sense of the carol he was singing with the choir.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:18 PM

Thanks, Penny. As the father of an Aspie, it's neat to hear stuff like that. They are very special people (my wife is one too) and deserve a better shake than they get in this society, at least in school.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Penny S.
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:25 PM

This one is one of my favourites - oddly, given the stereotype, he can be very thoughtful of others. I don't know if it's empathy, or if he's learned it, as some learn the eye contact, but if it is learned, I'd rather have it than empathy that doesn't lead to action. I would go and find a link to the Guardian yesterday, where they had an article you might find interesting, but I've never succeeded in getting past the home page. Try www.newsunlimited.co.uk, and search for Asperger's or autism, yesterday's date.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Morticia
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:32 PM

I think you are right when you say they don't get a fair crack of the whip, Alex.There are still so many people who don't understand/ hadn't heard of/can't accept Aspergers. I often think they are the most disadvantaged, in some respects, of all disability groupings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Amergin
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:35 PM

What is Asperger's?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:36 PM

Here's the article Penny was referring to:

clicky

You're right, Morty, they get a short shrift. My stepson is just as earnest and good-hearted a person as you could wish to meet, but his quirks make him the butt of his classmates' cruelty and his teachers' misunderstanding. It breaks your heart. My wife and I try to do all we can to help him understand what's going on, and how he can deal with it, but it's very, very hard for him.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Aspergers Syndrome
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:36 PM

See the clicky, Am.

PS this thread has been officialy hijacked! Bwahahaha!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Amergin
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 05:46 PM

Thanks, Alex and Penny, that was very interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Morticia
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 06:02 PM

Autism and A.S are my particular fields of 'expertise'.I think it's because I haven't met one person with AS who wasn't trying as hard as they can to 'fit in'......without the faintest idea how to achieve or what 'it' is.I'm still coming across people in their 30', 40's and older who have never been diagnosed and have always wandered what was 'wrong' with them.It can be a sad and lonely condition and yet as Temple Grandin points out, we should savour and value the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 06:08 PM

Temple Grandin is a wonder. Granted, she had a lot of help, and her parents especially are to be applauded. But she did a lot of work, too, to get where she is.

Alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Morticia
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 06:34 PM

Lots of people with AS are top of their chosen fields but Temple was the first to write a book on how it is to BE a person with AS.Any course I go on, or teach, leans heavily on her work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 08:44 PM

Interesting comment in the article about Bill Gates. Since people tend not to be comfortable with those who are 'different', is it possible that Asperger's/autism is one reason that so many people react with such visceral animosity to the man? I think that there is actual hatred of him out there- far more passionate dislike than would seem to be called for.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Dec 00 - 10:06 PM

As an attempt to direct a thread creep. does anyone know the derivation of "Humbug"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 05:20 AM

And I was worried about a bit of tinsel:

Neighbours win fight to switch off 8,500 Christmas lights By Auslan Cramb, Scotland Correspondent

A MAN who infuriated his neighbours by turning his home and garden into a shrine to Christmas, with more than 8,500 light bulbs and singing figurines, was ordered yesterday to switch off the display.

David Rowlands, 49, lost a long-running legal battle with 50 residents who claimed he had ruined the peace of the festive season and destroyed the character of their normally quiet cul-de-sac. Kilmarnock sheriff court heard that up to 80 cars every hour were attracted to Wardlaw Gardens, Irvine, Ayrshire, by the annual light show created by the bricklayer and his wife.

Mr Rowlands, who liked to dress himself as Father Christmas and his dog Gizmo as an elf while posing for photographs, said after the ruling that his neighbours were "a bunch of Scrooges". He also threatened to "move Christmas" by setting up the lights at a different time of year.

Sheriff David Smith granted an interdict to his neighbours banning the light show between Dec 5 and Jan 5 each year. Last December, they won a temporary ban, limiting the light show to 2pm to 5pm, Monday to Saturday. In a written judgment, the sheriff said Mr Rowlands' behaviour had been a nuisance to neighbours who had chosen to buy a house in the area "because of the quietness, seclusion and freedom of traffic".

He said: "It is clear the scheme is meant to be traffic free, but the witnesses unanimously estimated the number of cars at peak periods at between 60 and 80 per hour." Sheriff Smith said he was satisfied that "the misery spoken of" was real, and that the inconvenience caused by the display was intolerable.

Neighbours complained that people stood in their gardens to take photographs, knocked on their doors to ask to use their lavatories, and trampled on their lawns. The ruling delighted Fiona Barr, the chairman of the residents' association. She said: "I've been doing cartwheels since I heard. I'm sure all the neighbours will be having a celebratory drink because we can now enjoy Christmas like everybody else. All those who feel sorry for David Rowlands should invite him to move in next door."

Mr Rowlands, who says he has raised more than £3,000 for charity since he first illuminated his home in 1997, said he would be lodging an appeal. He said: "I have no intention of taking the lights down."
From UK Daily Telegraph Online (c)


Actually, further up my road is a similar sight as the house belongs to the local electrical retailer but I don't think their neighbours mind: it certainly slows the traffic!
RtS (how does it go? "Ho, Ho ,Ho" Does that sound sincere?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Gervase
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 05:43 AM

I'm SO pleased i don't live anywhere near Mr Rowlands!
But, being a curmudgeonly Brit, I love the American approach to Christmas. I remember flying into Chicago on Christmas Eve a few years back and looking down to see all the rooftops covered with illuminated reindeer and sleighs, and real snow everywhere, and thinking: "That's the problem with the English commercialising Christmas - they just don't do it properly."
On the ground the magic continued; everyone was just so damned nice to everyone else and even the drunks were pleasant.
It was all so infectious that it was impossible not to love it. And what do we get in the UK? The same sodding Slade song blaring out of every shop, a thousand tearful Tracys packing the tube home every night for two weeks with smudged mascara and tinsel trailing everywhere after having too much to drink at tacky office parties, pavement pizzas everywhere to remind you of those parties come the dawn and then, to crown it all, the bloody Queen's Speech on Christmas Day.
Bollocks to that - give me an American Christmas any day! Failing that, give me a bottle of sloe gin and I'll make my own pizza...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Kim C
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 12:10 PM

We have some GREAT Christmas lights here in Nashville. There's one guy who runs his off generators so as not to zap his local power. He has a fine, lovely home just south of Nashville and every year does this spectacular display. It's my absolute favorite, and I have to go out of my way to see it, but what the heck.

There's another family that sets up Santy Claus in a little bass boat pulled by eight fish. This year they added a little pond, too. Then there was the guy up the street from my mom who had Santy's sleigh pulled by eight pink yard flamingos.

A couple years ago, a family up the street from us had some of those little wooden cutouts in their yard - a reindeer, and an elf wielding a large candy cane. The floodlights they put on them were such that the elf cast a large shadow on the side of the house, making it look like he was about to club the little reindeer. We called it "The Killer Elf." They haven't done it since. Wonder why...


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Megan L
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 02:50 PM

My friend was telling me today about her son's Christmas party.

No one thought their present was lousy

No one thought someone had got more than them

Everyone wanted to know why the helpers hadn't got presents

Everyone shared the sweets

No one grumbled that santa was mr ( ) from next door, everyone knows santa is real

The food was perfect

Nobody came last in the games

and Everybody loved everybody else,big hugs all round.

People say my friends 30 year old son and his friends are learning disabled I say they've got it right, we have a lot to learn.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: jeffp
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 03:04 PM

Megan, thank you for reminding us what it's all about.

jeffp


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Rowana (at work)
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 03:13 PM

The lights are beautiful. The spirit of goodwill is gorgeous. The cookies are delish (please send me some) BUT PLEASE can we put a halt to the worst Christmas song of all time - Jingle Bell Rock. That song makes me so cranky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Jim Krause
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 03:30 PM

Myself, I have some mixed feelings about Christmas. I like the mystical/religious part, feel a little distant and removed from the kid-centered aspects, and try hard to ignore the Ghost of Christmas Past of 1975. This pretty well sums it up:

Anna On My Mind
by Jim Krause
1999 Old Sod Shanty Music, BMI
1. Like a dream that lingers at the dawning of the day
I catch glimpses of her just that way
When the world cannot hear, she calls out "Daddy!" from behind.
Once again, it ANNA ON MY MIND

2. When the sun has gone to bed, and the stars come out to play
And I feel like this has been a long, long day
I get my old guitar, sing a song and yet I find
Once again, it's ANNA ON MY MIND.

Brigde:
How many years have come and gone,
Gone in the twinkling of an eye?
Birth announcements never written, never sent
Another dream gone awry

3. Summer comes and goes, fall brings winter snows
If I make it through Christmas I'll do fine
To the tinsel and the lights some will say I am blind
Once again, it's ANNA ON MY MIND.



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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Morticia
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 03:33 PM

I was helping out at a christmas lunch for people with a learning disability a year or two ago and said jokily to one guy, " Hey, that Christmas pudding looks wonderful!Bet we get scabby old cake" and without a pause, nearly everyone at that table offered me their pudding.See why I love working with this group so much?( And No, not for the pudding *BG*)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Greyeyes
Date: 14 Dec 00 - 03:35 PM

Christmas lasts 12 days. As long as no-one makes the mistake of beginning it before Dec 24, all will be well. And on no account allow it to stray into the work place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 04:23 AM

Kim...

I know exactly how you feel - not being up for Christmas this year myself...

My gran died in July, and it will be my first christmas without her... It really is significant, and me and dad traditionally, have not been allowed anywhere near our pressies, until Gran had got up, got dressed, and one of us had been to her house to collect her and bring her to our house.

We would then all sit together and open our pressies... It's going to be an odd year - I miss her dreadfully, even if she could be a bit of an old haridan sometimes (though I always used to tell her when she used to get a bit much)

Plus on top of this, another relative lost a father this year, and various other problems throughout the year...

But this year is my first year without a grandparent at all - ever... And I miss not having a gran (never knew my grandfathers) - and well, what can I say, they are an important part of the family - perhaps I should adopt myself a grannie in the near future?

Oh, well... getting myself all upset now...

So - Kim I guess some of us are entitled to feel a bit cheesed off now and then... at least for me it is going to be a quiet one..

All the best

Ella


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Kim C
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 11:26 AM

Thanks Ella. And thanks Megan. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Margo
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 11:32 AM

Here's a fun one:

According to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, while both male and female reindeer grow antlers in the summer each year (the only members of the deer family, Cervidae, to have females do so), male reindeer drop their antlers at the beginning of winter, usually late November to mid December. Female reindeer retain their antlers till after they give birth in the spring. Therefore, according to every historical rendition depicting Santa's reindeer, every single one of them, from Rudolf to Blitzen........had to be a female!!!!!!

We should've known. Only women would be able to drag a fat man in a red velvet suit all around the world in one night, and not get lost. Hahahaha


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Margo
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 11:39 AM

Alex, you are so clever, how did you do that? (Hijacking the name of the thread) you must be an html whiz. I have an Asperger boy myself. My daughter is a more classic case of autism. Haven't had a Christmas tree yet, and she's 8 years old. Probably try next year, with all plastic ornaments and no lights! :o) Margo


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 11:48 AM

Megan, your description of the party was wonderful. Let us all remember such simplicity. "Tis a joy to be simple..."

Margo, just change the contents of the "Subject" box which appears at the bottom of this screen, just above the box you type in. No cleverness required!

Also Margo, God bless you! Parenting is never for wimps, but you seem to have a double helping of "challenge" to use the current argot. I hope it also proves a double helping of blessings for you.

alex


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 11:56 AM

Roger, we are still waiting for our Christmas card.


Little Bonnie & Little Timmy


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Catrin
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 09:36 PM

To take the point back to the original one made in this thread. I was trawling the internet recently for christmas poems, and I came across this

I did start another thread about it, but it dropped off the page, and I do think it's really interesting....


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Alice
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 12:00 AM

can anyone teach me how to hibernate? If I put off bringing out decorations long enough, then I won't have to pack them away, either.

I need to keep in mind the one thing I've done so far for Christmas. I went with a couple of friends (one on fiddle, one on bodhran) to the mentally disabled class at the high school and accompanied the fiddle player on Source of Spey, Patterson's, Farewell to Erin, Star of Munster, Sleep Soond in the Morning, Bus Stop Reel, and Christmas Day In Da Morning. The biggest smile and laugh came from the girl who could only speak with voice synthesizer on her lap. Her drool was a constant companion for her, you could see that none of the teachers would wipe it away, it was just a part of who she is. She grinned and squealed in delight from the time we entered the room until we left. As we went out, the teacher said, "This is the only thing our class has had for Christmas this year." The teens really enjoyed it and wanted us to come back again and play some Backstreet Boys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: GUEST, Blackcatter
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 01:04 AM

Hi all,

All I want for Xmas is for the general public to accept me and my Autistic excentricities. I just "lost" another job, three weeks before Christmas, because I couldn't "read" the boss well enough. If people would only be clear with what they expect of me, I would be so happy and do exactly that. I don't get "body language", "vocal tones" or other non-direct forms of comunication very well and it has put me into a place where I tend to fear anyone in authority - because I know if I screw up - I will be punished, and I know that I will screw up because I don't always "get it".

On the other hand, Autism is nice around the holidays because it is very easy to let myself focus on only the stuff I like and pretty much ignore the rest - for example, advertising works on me in only notifing me of new products - it really has no impact on whether I buy something or not. It is nearly impossible to entice me - I either want something or I could care less. I would go weeks without eating chocolate if friends weren't offering it to me fairly often - yet I love it when I eat it.

Pax yall


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Margo
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 01:39 AM

Blackcatter, I know what you mean. But I don't have autism, I have two kids with autism. It's kind of a cruel twist of fate: My 8 year old is very detached in a social way, but her 5 year old brother has asperger's syndrome, and he wants to play with her. He doesn't yet understand her preference to be alone.

How unfair you would lose your job! You could fight it, you know. After all, it is due to a disability... are you in the USA?

Margo


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Extra Stout
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 02:13 AM

Bah Humbug is an appropriate response way too often, but don't let the merchants spoil the season for you. I read "A Christmas Carol" for the first time just a couple of years ago, and found it to be powerful stuff after years of cartoons and Muppets and whatnot. Scrooge's attitude at the beginning is easy and, to some extent, justified, but his attitude at the end is justified too, and is available to us as it was to him. Try to remember whats really going on. Let me close by wishing you all a merry (sorry, Greyeyes) 365 days of Christmas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Greyeyes
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 03:30 AM

reading "A Christmas Carol" is the beginning of christmas for me. I read it every Christmas Eve before I go to sleep. Really gets me in the mood for the next 12 days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Penny S.
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 05:28 AM

Blackcatter - I think the problem with your boss is probably not just yours, but other employees as well, though in your case it was exacerbated by your autism. Nobody should have to be constantly alert to subtle non-verbal cues to what is intended in that relationship. Bosses should be clear to all their employees.

I'm learning to teach my Asperger's friend - I forget things at times, but as I read what I should be doing, I realise that if I get it right for him, it will probably be better for all the others as well.

And there's one characteristic of autistic spectrum conditions I could really do with - being able to do things in a rigid and repetive way - I am completely chaotic (positive version, spontaneously reacting to the needs of the moment), and admire teachers who can work in a programmed way.

Penny


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Terry K
Date: 17 Dec 00 - 04:25 AM

I think everyone would enjoy Christmas much more if we all remembered the true meaning, that it's to celebrate the birth of Santa.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Megan L
Date: 17 Dec 00 - 03:23 PM

All this talk about Christmas Carol made me think of the welcome page I wrote for this years Shining Light (news letter)

Whether you celebrated the millennium last year or think it is only happening this year you are wished the best and most joyous celebration ever.

It is often easy in our commercial world to think that the meaning of Christmas is lost amid the tinsel and glitter, somewhere between Yo Ho Ho and oh my head. We all moan about it getting earlier every year and the ever rising cost of presents like some modern day Ebeneezers. Yet surely the lesson we learn from Scrooge is that he wasn't always like that, he had hopes and dreams. How many like him have over the years piled their hurts and fears around themselves like a wall because they lost the gift of love. For some they may never have been given the gift, others have robbed them of it's joy and softening warmth.

This year when you meet an Ebeneezer don't add another brick to their wall. Bite back the sharp or grumpy retort and instead show them the love of God, you may never see the wall crumble but you will have removed one brick from their burden, it may just be the one that lets in the light.

So I will wish you all Christmas full of love, joy and peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Melodeon
Date: 17 Dec 00 - 04:39 PM

Well Dick, My sources all show 'Humbug' as 18c origin unknown. The definitions are interesting:- Deceptive or false talk or behaviour. An imposter. British hard boiled sweet usually flavoured with peppermint To deceive or hoax.

All of these - with the excption of the sweet, apply to the modern commercialised Christmas.

However, I do wish you all a happy and peaceful Christmas, whatever it means to each of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 17 Dec 00 - 07:35 PM

Bah Humbug....=

talk a load of rubbish... which is all pretty irrelavent stuff... to talk a load of humbug = rubbish... and the saying used to be.... instead of our saying now... you're talking a load of Cr**... Used to be Bah... HUMBUG...

:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bah Humbug
From: Troll
Date: 17 Dec 00 - 09:35 PM

To "Jingle Bell Rock" add "Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree" to the list of songs that should rightly be consigned to the archives at the Library of Congress. Every other copy should then be rounded up, stacked in a pile, soaked with diesel fuel, and BURNED!
These two are regurlarly requested this time of year of the band Stardust in which I am the vocalist(but not the boss) and the boss (a trumpet playing lawyer, what can I say) always says, "Sure! We know that one!"
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!!!!!!

troll


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