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Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage

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I WONDER WHEN I SHALL BE MARRIED
KIMMAGE
THREE LOVELY LASSES


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Lyr Req: Oh I wonder I never got married... (16)
Lyr Req: Three Lovely Ladies from Bannion? (1) (closed)
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Subject: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,michael
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 02:46 AM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 03:46 AM

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 03:48 AM

Hi, Michael - a search for lovely lasses in the blue search box is what found it. I've been looking for just one lovely lass, but haven't had much luck.
Hope that helps.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: zander (inactive)
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 04:35 AM

This seems like a version of the Dublin song ' Three Lovely Lasses From Kimmage ', recorded by the Dubliners and others, its in most Irish song books. Cheers, Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: MartinRyan
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 07:44 AM

The Kimmage one is a parody of the older Bannion song.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 08:22 AM

Kimmage is also in the DT database


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Jimmy C
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 07:46 PM

" Three Lovely Lassies from Kimmage" was a good size hit for the Irish singer Delia Murphy. She recorded it back in the 1940's or 1950's I can't be sure of the decade. I remember we had the old 78 record and my mother played it often.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Jimmy C
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 07:48 PM

Sorry again, my fingers are going wild tonight.
The Delia Murphy song was " Three Lovely Lassies from Bannion" not Kimmage


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Subject: Lyr Add: THREE LOVELY LASSES
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Dec 00 - 10:09 PM

here's how I heard it...with one more verse and a couple corrections

THREE LOVELY LASSES


1. There are three lovely lasses in Bunyan,(Bannion?)
Bunyan, Bunyan, Bunyan
There are three lovely lasses in Bunyan
And I am the best of them all.


(similarly:)
2. And me mother she says I can marry
And she'll leave me her bed when she dies.


3. And me father has 40 bright shillings(x3)
And the grass for a goat and a cow

4. So I'm takin' [sendin'] me shoes to be mended
And me petticoat to be dyed green.


5. And next Sunday mornin' I'll meet him,
And I shall be dressed like a queen.


repeat first verse


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 01:43 AM

I have the Delia Murphey LP where she sings the song. It looks to me that the song is based on "My father has forty good shillings (The maids sad complaint for want of a husband, by Lawrence White) in the Scarce Songs 1 file on my website. (I remember hearing Bill D sing a few verses of it a couple of years ago. He knew some that Linda RJ had forgotten.)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 02:10 AM

I just located an early 60s recording by Paddie Bell. She sings pretty much the same first two verses as above, then adds:

Now I'm to be married on Monday, Monday, Monday
Now I'm to be married on Monday
And I'll be the queen of them all
Yes, I'll be the queen of them all

Then she repeats verse one.

The credits say (collected & arr. by Delia Murphy)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Susan of DT
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 09:45 AM

See also: I Wonder When I shall be Married


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 16 Dec 00 - 10:56 AM

I would be grateful to Bruce O if he would list the tracks on the LP of Delia Murphy he has.

I've been trying to hunt down songs by Delia Murphy, and have them scattered over a series of compilations. It's up to 11 songs by Delia and 1 by her sister, Angela, so far, so I'd be interested to see how the LP material compares with what I've got so far.

Lhiats,

Bobby Bob


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 13 Sep 02 - 04:49 PM

Aidan O'Hara (former RTÉ radio presenter) wrote a biography of Delia Murphy, "I'll Live Till I Die".
I haven't got a-hold of a copy of the book yet.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Jimmy C
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 12:24 AM

Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin, I have an LP of Delia Murphy, I will get it out within the next few days and post the list of the songs, it may help also.

Jimmy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Bert
Date: 14 Sep 02 - 01:40 AM

Forty shades of Mondegreen!

There was a version in the early sixties that went...

Her Father has fortyone chil'en
and a cat and a goat and a cow.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,Pat Darlington
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 01:13 PM

The "Three Lovely Lassies" (words, music, chords) is in one of 3 volumes edited by James N. Healy called Songs from the Pubs of Ireland (Ossian publications)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 06:23 PM

I always heard it sung as:

And the grass of a goat and a cow

(i.e. the land he owns)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 07:51 PM

hmmm...enough 'grass' for them to eat...or enough 'brass' to buy them?...we may never know...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Sep 02 - 08:04 PM

brass sounds more Yorkshire than Cork, to me...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 04:59 AM

O'Hara's book speculates that Delia Murphy may have learned this from a collection published by DOnagh McDonagh and Arthur Darley. That said, its not in the set published on the web by McDonagh's son HERE . It does include a "sequel", probably written by MacDonagh.

Regards

p.s. watch out for pop-ups on that site!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 10:30 AM

durn thing is, Bert's version has now ruinedme! *grin*...I will never be able to sing this without hearing "41 chillun" in my head!

and Noreen...you are probably right...I am not as attuned to what 'would' be said in various parts of the UK or Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Alice
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 03:26 PM

I was just listening to this song yesterday on an old video of the first episodes of the Ballykissangel series. The tax investigators were in town and to distract their attention, a local asked did they know of Delia Murphy and could they remember all the verses of the Three Lovely Lasses From Bannion. It was a set up to get him to sing while they hauled the goods out the door of the pub.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: weerover
Date: 17 Sep 02 - 04:51 PM

Correction to earlier info - Healy's collection of 3 slim volumes is Ballads from the Pubs of Ireland (Ossian), about 50 songs in each for about 5 euros apiece in Galway last week (and in Malachy's bodhran factory in Roundstone)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Jimmy C
Date: 18 Sep 02 - 01:50 PM

Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin, I have finally got a chance to get the Delia Murphy record out. It was produced under the Fiesta Record Company Label # FLPS1844. The songs are

The Spinning Wheel
If I were a Blackbird
I was told by my aunt
I wish that I never was wed
Roving Journeyman
Boston Burglar
Thank you ma'am says Dan
Three Lovely Lassies from Bannion
.Down By the Glenside
The Moonshiner
Coortin in the kitchen
The Croppy Boy
Goodbye Mick and Goodbye Pat
Nora Creina

There is a fairly detailed biography on her by Liam Redmond on the back of the cover . He calls her " The Queen of Connemara. Here are some brief details of her life
Born 1903 at Mount Jennings, Claremorris Co. Mayo.
She came from a wealthy family, her father haveing been to the goldfields of Klondyke and Leadville Colorado.
She was educated at Tuam Convent and later took degrees in Art and Commerce in University College Galway.
She married a Dr Kiernan, economist and author of "British War Finances and Their Consequences".
Dr Kiernan was appointed Secretary to the Irish High Commissioner and they went to live in London
In 1941 Dr Kiernan was appointed Ambassador to the Vatican, while in Italy she translated "Three Lovey Lassies" into Italian and would sing it for visitors when requested. It became very popular and later she heard a young lad singing it on the street, She asked him where he heard it and he told her it was an old Neopolitan Love Song ?.
After Rome Dr Kiernan had postings as Ambassador to Australia, Canada and Washington. She survived her husband and spent her last years in Liffey Valley. She died in 1971, a great loss to Ireland and music.

Jimmy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Big Tim
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 02:26 AM

Just finished reading Aidan O'Hara's biography of Delia. She was in fact born on 16 February 1902, at Ardroe, just outside Claremorris, Mayo. The family moved to Mount Jennings, Hollymount, just a few miles down the road, when she was about two. Her family was "comfortable" rather than wealthy: the farm being 134 acres.

"The Queen of Connemara" was one of her favourite songs, that's all: she didn't come from that region. She recorded about 100 songs in all (O'Hara lists them all), "Lovely Lasses" probably being her most popular. Liam Clancy regards her as pivotal in the Irish folk revival.

She graduated from UCG in 1923 (B.Comm), married the following year, had four children, and didn't start her pro singing career until her mid 30s. First recordings, on HMV, were in 1939. Her husband, Dr. (Ph.D) Tom Kiernan was foreign Ambassador for Ireland and Delia put his job first: with years of postings in England, Italy, Australia, Germany, US and Canada. She lived near Ottawa in the 60s. She met JFK and Jackie, with whom she got along very well and with whom she had a few heart to heart conversations.                                    

She was a real woman of the people, always putting down hypocrisy, pretentiousness and cant, using earthy language and enjoying a good drink, sometimes to the embarrassment of her husband in diplomatic circles. She died on 11 February 1971. A lot of copies of O'Hara's biog are availabe second hand and cheaply online.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 04:27 AM

Delia Murphy was a fine woman, a wonderful person, a gentlewoman and a fabulous singer. Several of her grandchildren are musicians, including the piper Ronan Browne.

Donagh MacDonagh was a poet, a playwright, a barrister later elected to the judiciary, and a collector of songs. Here's a link to songs from his collection


Here's a page about Colin Farrell reading his poems, including Dublin Made Me

The grass of a goat and a cow is a literal translation from Irish, and means land enough to support a goat and a cow. It's a joke about the "wealth" of the pretentious but gay girl from Bannion.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 10:38 AM

The Vipers sang it as "forty-one shillin'"(money), and "a curse of a goat and a cow". The song is recorded on an album called "The Soho Skiffle Group" and released in the USA. It can be found on a Bear Family 3 disc set by the Vipers.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:26 AM

Qu'est que c'est ces Vipers?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Feb 04 - 11:33 AM

'curse'?? *grin*....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: GUEST,Danno
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:25 AM

Does anyone know who wrote the "Kimmage" version?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 10:18 AM

I've just been reminiscing with my mum about this song. She thinks it was "forty-one shillins" and I'm sure that's what my gran used to sing. A quick google for "Bannion" came up with nothing! I see that CDs with this and other Delia Murphy songs are available.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Paul Burke
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 03:00 PM

This thread's over 9 years old and no one's mentioned Margaret Barry! BTW her version had "white shillings" if memory serves me right.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:26 PM

To add to my post of several years ago, my source of the song was an LP by Burl Ives, where it is printed very clearly "Bannion"..... which doesn't mean the IS such a place or that Burl heard it right.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:32 AM

I'm trying to trace the origin of this song. I suspect it must be between 1791 when Grattan's Third Catholic Relief Act was passed and 1829 when Daniel O'Connell succeeded in the Catholic Emancipation Act. This because of the reference to father having 40 or 41 shillings, depending on the version. The relevance would perhaps be to the "forty shilling freeholder" entitlement to vote - after 1829 that was raised to £10. And where is Bannion (Ireland, there's one in the States)?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:46 AM

Nearest I could find, using all possible spellings, from Google Maps + my Britannica Atlas, was Ballybunnion, Co Kerry, (near Listowel). If the song refers to a real place, I take it that will be the one.         
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 08:42 PM

I've just bought a Delia Murphy CD as a result of this thread! It's called The Legendary Queen of Irish Folk Singers. It's just wonderful and I might have to do a copy for my mum (shhh...) I'll have a close listen to Three Lovely Lasses tomorrow and report back. Hey, not three Lovely Lassies, right? It isn't a song about triplet spaniels!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 11:41 PM

Steve ~~ Lassie was a collie, not a spaniel.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion
From: Mo the caller
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 06:05 AM

Reading this thread last week set me wondering about the motive of the author.
Was he mocking an unsophisticatic rustic girl who thinks shes's 'something' in her patched shoes and green petticoat.
Or telling rich people to be content with their lot, even a country lass feels like a queen on her wedding day.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 10 - 08:47 AM

Ah yes. Sorry. More of a cat man I am. That'll learn me.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jul 11 - 04:25 AM

Occurs to me to ask, has the point been made anywhere above about the anomaly of the lass dyeing her petticoat green for her wedding.

See Child 221, Katharine Jaffray, aka The Faery Troop & *The Green Wedding* ~~reworked by Scott in Marmion as the well-known interpolated song of the Young Lochinvar; from which however is omitted the ballad's main motif, that marrying in green was traditionally unlucky, in particular by rendering the bride liable to be carried off by faery folk: a theme further perhaps adverted to in Nicholas Nickleby, where the miser Gride, having, as Dickens several times reiterates, donned a bottle-green suit for his wedding to the beautiful Madeline, only to have her snatched away at the altar from under the dastardly bridegroom's very nose.

So is it not perhaps rather surprising that the lass of Bannion should take particular trouble to wear that colour at her wedding?

Any comments or explanations?

~Michael~


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Subject: Lyr Add: THREE LOVELY LASSIES IN BANNION
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 11 Jul 11 - 07:56 AM

I can remember listening to Burl Ives sing this in his very distinctive accent on an old LP, but the song was written by Delia Murphy, based on a traditional song known variously as 'I Wonder When I Shall be Married'/'My Father Has Forty Good Shillings'/'Butter Platies' ; Roud 818. As the late Bruce Olson pointed out above these probably all derive from a mid 17th century broadside by Lawrence White 'The Maidens Sad Complaint for want of a Husband'.

Anyway Walton's Treasury of Irish Songs and Ballads (1947) explicitly credits Delia Murphy as the author and composer, with the title of Three Lovely Lassies in Bannion. She had recorded it for HMV in 1939, according to this biography on the Ramblinghouse website.

Here is the full text from Walton's Treasury; I've never heard anybody sing the last verse though. (Can't imagine why not.)

THREE LOVELY LASSIES IN BANNION

Delia Murphy

There are three lovely lasses in Bannion,
Bannion,
Bannion,
Bannion,
There are three lovely lasses in Bannion,
And I am the best of them all,
And I am the best of them all.

For my father has forty white shillings,
shillings,
shillings,
shillings,
For my father has forty white shillings,
And the grass of a goat and a cow,
And the grass of a goat and a cow.

And my mother she says I can marry,
marry,
marry,
marry,
And my mother she says I can marry,
And she'll leave me her bed when she dies,
And she'll leave me her bed when she dies.

So I'll send my old shoes to be mended,
mended,
mended,
mended,
So I'll send my old shoes to be mended,
And my petticoat to be dyed green,
And my petticoat to be dyed green.

And on next Sunday morning I'll meet him,
meet him,
meet him,
meet him,
And on next Sunday morning I'll meet him,
And I shall be dressed like a queen,
And I shall be dressed like a queen.

There are three lovely asses in Bannion,
Bannion,
Bannion,
Bannion,
There are three lovely asses in Bannion,
To draw me on my wedding day,
To draw me on my wedding day.

Matthew


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE MAIDENS SAD COMPLAINT FOR WANT OF...
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 11 Jul 11 - 08:33 AM

Bruce Olson directed readers to the Scarce Songs#1 section of his Broadside Ballads; this is now hosted by Mudcat and can be found via the Quick Links drop-down menu at the top of every Mudcat page, or else at the CSU Fresno site Bruce Olson's Roots of Folk.

Here is the text of the Maiden's Sad Complaint as written by Bruce Olson:

The Maidens Sad Complaint for want of a Husband

Wherein she briefly doth declare
The want of a Mate makes her despair:
She hath her portion all in Houshold goods
Yet none of those that wear scarfs and Hoods
For she commends her self to any man
That will but please her all the best he can

To the new Westcountry Tune: Or,
Hogh when shall I be married? by L. W.

O when shall I be married,
hogh be married;
My beauty begins to decay:
'Tis time to find somebody
hogh some body
Before it is quite gone away

My father hath forty good shillings,
hogh good shillings;
And never a daughter but I:
My mother is also willing
hogh is willing
That I shall have all if she dye.

I have gotten some money about me
hogh about me
For to help me in time of need,
Five shillings pray do not flout me
hogh do not flout me
For I will be married with speed

My father did give me a dish,
hogh and a spoon,
And a Table made of an old board:
Some young man will for me wish
hogh will wish
When he hears how bravely I'me stord.

My mother she gave me a ladle
hogh a ladle
And that for the present lies by,
My aunt she hath promist a cradle
hogh a cradle
When any man with me does lye.

A pippin my Unkle he gave me
hogh he gave me
And milk=pourage in it to make;
And I let them burn so bravely,
hogh so bravely
To show that a slut I do hate.

I have got two spoons and a trencher,
hogh a trencher
with poringers made of clay;
Some squires son that is a wencher,
hogh a wencher
I wish he would fetch me away.

I have a soft bed to ly on
hogh to ly on
With feathers an ell long I say
But the most of all my sorrow
hogh my sorrow
Is for want of Batchellours play.

Fine pippins & noggins my cozen
hogh my cozen
Has gave me that are so good;
With taps and sossers a dozen
hogh a dozen
And a chamber pot made of wood.

Thus young men I have declared
hogh declared
My household stuff which do ly by;
These seven years I have despaired
hogh despaired
For fear I a maiden should dy.

If any youngman will have me
hogh will have me
And no other maiden esteem
I will maintain him bravely
hogh so bravely
And feast him with curd & cream.

For I'm a girl that's willing
hogh is willing
To change my maiden name;
So with me he will be billing
hogh be billing
I don't care from whence he came.

Then Thomas, Robbin or Willy,
hogh or Willy
Come any that is a man;
Let be Ralph, or Jarvis the silly
hogh wise or silly
Come love me as well as you can.

If any man will me marry,
hogh me marry
I'le love him wonderous well;
for if I longer should tarry
hogh should tarry
I fear I should lead Apes in Hell.


There are two wonderful blackletter copies, with splendid illustrations, in the Bodleian Collection:- Wood E 25(57) and Douce Ballads 2(145a).

Matthew


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: GUEST,brian w
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 08:22 AM

i have always thought the song was of scottish nature hence its on a few of dads scottish records he had before he passes away.......and steve shaw theres a difference in lasses and lassies......lasses refers to lass which is a female woman ......lassies is lassie which is the name of a dog ie if you have 2 collies both named lassie you have 2 lassies........ and BTW lassie was a collie which is a breed of dog


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: AmyLove
Date: 20 Jul 16 - 10:27 PM

Alice mentioned the Ballykissangel episode (season 2, episode 8, Chinese Whispers) which features this song. It was that episode which brought this song to my attention. I found a video clip featuring the part of the episode in which the song is sung. The video is blocked in my country (USA), but perhaps people from countries where it's not blocked will enjoy watching it:

Ballyk-Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 17 - 06:01 PM

IN MY OPINION the lyrics of kimmage are more interesting


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Apr 17 - 07:27 PM

We went to the memorial service of a much-loved local lady just before Christmas, and lo and behold, the family chose the Delia Murphy erosion of the song to play part way through the service. It made for a very poignant moment. I got the distinct impression that I was one of the very few people present who knew the song!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Apr 17 - 07:47 PM

Gosh, how did version come out as erosion! Flippin' spellchecker is indulging in mischief tonight!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: Daniel Kelly
Date: 18 Oct 21 - 07:29 AM

Re-opening this thread in the hope that someone might have discovered the author of the Kimmage parody.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 11:52 AM

A Wikipedia entry ascribes it to Sylvester Gaffney, who was better known as "Leo Maguire", a radio presenter int he '50's or so.

I have no idea of the reliability of this ascription but it is certainly plausible. I'll make enquiries.


Martin Ryan

p.s.
Three Lovely Lasses


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 12:10 PM

The great Frank Harte, in his "Songs of Dublin", says only that he learned it from Luke Kelly of the Dubliners. He dates it to the 1950's or so.

Regards

p.s. I spent almost all my childhood in that area of Dublin!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 05:55 PM

OK!

A quick check in Terry Moylan's "A Living Voice: The Frank Harte Collection" confirms the Sylvester Gaffney/Leo Maguire authorship.

Regards

p.s. If you'r interested in Irish traditional singing and don't have a copy of Terry's book - it's time to start dropping hints about Christmas presents!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage
From: Daniel Kelly
Date: 24 Oct 21 - 01:33 AM

Brilliant Martin, thank you for finding this!

I will add this detail to my recording of Kimmage, and also the song that started it all back in the 1640s, 'The Maiden's Sad Complaint for Want of a Husband' by Lawrence White.


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