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Unsafe parts of town

InOBU 23 Dec 00 - 09:07 PM
Ella who is Sooze 23 Dec 00 - 06:39 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Dec 00 - 05:55 PM
Rick Fielding 23 Dec 00 - 05:45 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Dec 00 - 05:25 PM
Murray MacLeod 23 Dec 00 - 05:18 PM
Seth 23 Dec 00 - 09:55 AM
CarolC 23 Dec 00 - 02:40 AM
Bert 22 Dec 00 - 01:03 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Dec 00 - 12:54 PM
InOBU 22 Dec 00 - 12:01 PM
Uncle Jaque 22 Dec 00 - 11:21 AM
Ella who is Sooze 22 Dec 00 - 09:35 AM
InOBU 22 Dec 00 - 08:59 AM
Ella who is Sooze 22 Dec 00 - 05:11 AM
Ella who is Sooze 22 Dec 00 - 04:47 AM
GUEST 22 Dec 00 - 12:37 AM
GUEST,Barry 21 Dec 00 - 09:34 PM
InOBU 21 Dec 00 - 08:49 PM
Uncle Jaque 21 Dec 00 - 08:08 PM
CarolC 21 Dec 00 - 03:45 PM
Jimmy C 21 Dec 00 - 12:41 PM
Lepus Rex 21 Dec 00 - 10:32 AM
Ella who is Sooze 21 Dec 00 - 10:29 AM
Seth 21 Dec 00 - 06:42 AM
blt 21 Dec 00 - 12:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: InOBU
Date: 23 Dec 00 - 09:07 PM

Ah Brother MacLeod! You absoultly said it! There is a grounds for a search by police, in the US, a potentialy danger moment for the searchee, (more than for the searcher statisticly speaking...) those grounds being "racially out of place" ie. black in a white neighborhood. Now, my crim law teacher - an ex-prosicutor was defending this, saying a white in a black neighborhood could also be searched for the same reason. A young progressive woman in the front row, said, No... that does not happen. The fact that it can happen does not make the law right... The professor began saying, No, you don't get it... She lost it and began to roar at him, NO YOU DONT F**KING GET IT! YOU DON"T GET IT, and then she slammed her book shut and let class to cool off. That about sums it up.
Well said MacLeod!
Larry


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 23 Dec 00 - 06:39 PM

This is true McGrath

I end up talking to all sorts of people - it's great... Jaque...peace and all to you too.

I think the basic thing is walk with a certain attitude, don't put yerself at risk and have fun

Cheers all!

Ella


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Dec 00 - 05:55 PM

You'd be all right in Ireland with that attitude, Rick.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Dec 00 - 05:45 PM

Yep McGrath. My all-time philosophical hero said that "any American who doesn't want to murder you will be your best friend for life".

As someone who's travelled fairly extensively, I can say that Americans are definitely the most approachable folk. For some bizarre reason, I enjoy starting up conversations with strangers. In most countries (including my own) ya get strange looks. Not in America though.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Dec 00 - 05:25 PM

I think it was Quentin Crisp who said of New Yorkers that they were the nicest people in the world, except when they were trying to kill you. (But he'd have said it better.)


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 23 Dec 00 - 05:18 PM

I would have to take issue with blt's contention that "probably, the worst case scenario as far as the USA is concerned would be to be a young Black, Latino, or Native man or woman walking in an upperclass, white neighborhood."
The worst thing that would happen would be they would find themselves stopped by a patrol car and questioned.

Having said that, I have walked alone through parts of Miami at 3am.where no white American would dream of venturing and never experienced a problem. Maybe, as Larry said, it helps to be redhaired and Celtic. (Being six foot tall might help as well) I believe it is even more important not to have a victim mentality.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Seth
Date: 23 Dec 00 - 09:55 AM

I've had great Christmases in lousy neighborhoods, and lousy Christmases in fancy ones. May you have a good holiday wherever you may be.

Seth from China


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Dec 00 - 02:40 AM

Hey bert...

What about my posts that go half missing?

Carol


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Bert
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 01:03 PM

Actually, we have a program here at Mudcat that automatically changes a random letter or two the moment it senses your cursor near the submit button.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 12:54 PM

I'm good at spelling normally, honest. It's just the threads here always seem to do something to me. I read through to check. Then,just as I push the button, there's always something I've missed. Sometimes quite a lot.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: InOBU
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 12:01 PM

Shalom agus Slan, old pal - Larry


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 11:21 AM

Contention hardly befits the season, mates, as stimulating as it may be.

Respectfully submitting to the Spirit of said season, I hereby raise the flag of "Truce", at least for the duration of this long weekend, and wish ye all a safe, joyous, and memorable Celebration... with whatever blessings might come yer way!

Shalom.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 09:35 AM

Well, I agree Larry...

I actually find some sarcasm fairly funny, not though when it is as you say, loaded etc...

My group of friends - who all survive fairly well on sarcasm struggled this weekend, when one newcomer to the group, didn't understand sarcasm at all took all the retorts as black and white... And well.. we all had fun explaining.

I hope you all have an excellent holiday season... I can't wait, sessions abound... lots of gigs to do - and already planning all next years small tour gigs...

2.40, my boss is taking us all out for drinks and then I can skedaddle home, down the motorway - pick up my flute and bodhran and PARTY!

All the best

Slainte...

Ella


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: InOBU
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 08:59 AM

Hey Ella,
I have a learning dysability as well, sort of the inverce of dyslexia, but a sequencing problem, as is your's. Unfortunatley, this mudcat format makes spell checking such a time consuming effort, writing in another program, spell checking, cut and paste, reformat, that I hope our friends will be understanding. As far as a guage of content... without special accomodation I was able to get into the fifth rated law school in the US, it became the 3rd rated school while I was attending, having passed Columbia. Personally I don't mind a well meaning touch of sarcasm, as long as the guns are not present or loaded!
Cheers
Larry


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 05:11 AM

Ha haaa.. Roger...

Ach Y Fi definately... I work in Cardiff - NO it wasn't me...

I love Cardiff, it is such a nice place, and the majority of people are friendly.

It is a very lively place - fairly big city with a nice sense of community about it...

Ta ta ton toc

Ella


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 04:47 AM

Jacques, sarcasm really isn't becoming...

As far as the spelling thing goes... I, for one have a huge problem with spelling, due mainly to the fact that I am dyslexic. Not always a problem for me, only when I loose concentration.

Now, this doesn't stop me - I can only apologise for my bad spelling. So, before you go on about people's spelling, just think yourself! There may be a perfectly good reason why this is so.

(Now, not being able to spell doesn't mean you are thick either... I managed to get a perfectly respectable 2:1 with honors degree - which yes meant I had to really struggle with my spelling. But I knew what I wanted to say, and did it).

Others who submit to this forum, do I am sure have similar difficulties, so before you are quick to whip out the sarcasm, think....

Besides, your grammar was absolutely terrible my dear...

Ella


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 12:37 AM

As a blue dem voter (in deep red texas, no less), who has a cwc permit, and years of private investigation\private security experience, I have to join the group largely disparaging the idea that guns make you safe in bad places. My army survival instructor made a lasting impression on me with a couple of hairy stories where people in bad places got hands on a gun and made a fatal mistake based on the confidence that the magic gun gave them.

A watchful attitude and a wee bit of common sense will carry you through most situations. There is most definitely a place for the right person to carry and a right person to carry in just about any place, but to base your travel plans on ammo availability takes the shine off the trip. I'd say if you're really concerned with the places you're gonna go to, contact a local. On a placelike this you can certainly find a friendly, like-minded person who would be a blast to pal around with. Such a person would probably make a trip a lot more memorable anyway.

Just my two cents (and with the length of this post, maybe a bit of change to spare...)

RedCelt Jeff


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: GUEST,Barry
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 09:34 PM

Don't be so hard on yourself, Jaqueass. You're simply an asshole who thinks himself too clever by half.

Most have the good sense to ignore you.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: InOBU
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 08:49 PM

Eh Jaque:
Before you do, drop in at the Mudcat night before Christmas, and leave a verse!
Merry Christmas,
Larry
PS I am not anti guns\rifles etc. In fact, I do a wee bit of antique gunsmithing myself, and am a rather accomplished marksman, I just would say that in most cases, guns don't make you safe, acting human does, and republican nieghborhoods are oft as dangerous, if not worce than any others...Homophobic??? but I digress... Merry Christas, mec.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 08:08 PM

Gee, I never realized what an insensitive, pathological, homophobic, paranoid, sociopathic cretan I was 'till all these perceptive, tolerant, enlightened, non-judgemental colleages (some of whom spell even more creatively than I do)generously revealed it to me! It's been nothing short of an epiphonal experience!

I'm going to turn a lew leaf and re-join the civilized human race right away; surrender all my weapons of mass destruction and politically incorrect (for those of us in the unwashed masses class that is) accessories and sharp pointy things, and enroll myself in a local rectification center for sensitivity training. I'll put that right on my list of "Things to Do"... now where did I put those blasted crayons...????


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 03:45 PM

Part of my Dec. 20, 6:48 post keeps disappearing. Why does this seem only to happen to my posts? (Yeah, I'm paranoid, but that's beside the point.)

Carol


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Jimmy C
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 12:41 PM

Ella,
Thanks, I'll steer clear of Cherry Hill, sounds like the pits.
I also like Dublin a lot, even with the street urchin pickpockets.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 10:32 AM

Even driving during hunting season is dangerous. I don't care much about the HUNTERS who get shot out there- they're out there to kill, so I think they should be prepared to die. But every I hear about some motorist who gets blasted by some jackass hunter's shotgun, or someone getting shot through their window at home. So I guess I don't feel too bad when I shoot out the back windows of their parked trucks (with a b-b gun). Heh.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 10:29 AM

Right...

Dublin....

The main thing in Dublin at the moment, is the amount of pick pocketing that is going on. THere are a lot of opportunists around, so therefore as long as you are wise with your belongings, and don't put them on the floor, turn around for a moment, or put them down to use the cash point for example then you should be okay. Watch your handbags, and pockets - two of my friends have been mugged in this way there lately, though one of them did put her luggage down and for a split second not have her eyes on it.

North of Dublin is usually good for sessions, temple bar area some sessions do go on, though you may find that someo them are 'paid' sessions... Also the sessions sometimes have an odd mix... Of course there are areas you shouldn't be in at night, but just use your commone sense and keep your wits about you.

But as far as anything else go, it is not as bad as it is made out - I love Dublin.

I was in Baltimore about 3 years ago...

Fells point area and the old parts of town were nice for bars etc... and the harbour area, with marina etc was lovely. Yes there is a high crime rate there... So be extremely street wise, and don't put yourself at risk... I did actually have very scary situation on the lightrail train that took us through an area called Cherry Hill. I was so scared that I got a cab all the way home from Baltimore city, instead of travelling back on the train... Was almost robbed of my shoes! Which a certain amount of talking, and the fact the train got us to the station on time only saved me.... I preferred to pay the $50 taxi fee back to the house...

I like Baltimore though, the boat trips area good, and a visit to the aquarium is recommended... Just don't go through Cherry Hill!!!!

Oh and when you get a cab... just make sure your driver actaully knows where he is going... Ours kept having to stop all the time.

Washington - We caught the train in there... no problems at all there... except someone again checking out my shoes (I stopped wearing them after that) The tourist tram ride round Washington is fully recommended as a great way of seeing the city...

Though one Japanese tourist was told not to flash her $1000 note she was trying to pay the tram guy with... Washington, (central) was very clean, and I loved it there.

I Can't reiterate enough though..... DON'T STOP IN CHERRY HILL - IT MAY SOUND PRETTY - BUT IT ISN'T!

My friends husband went nuts when he found out where we had been... he said even he wouldn't travel through there...

Ella


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Seth
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 06:42 AM

The most dangerous place I know is the woods in Northwest Pennsylvania during any kind of hunting season. I've actually known more people who got shot there than in Oakland, San Francisco, Seattle, Mexico City or other places on the planet where I have lived.

Seth from China


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: blt
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 12:21 AM

CarolC, thanks for your comments. I do think it's a very different thing to walk around urban (or rural) neighborhoods as a woman vs as a man, and that unless one has done that, it's difficult to imagine what it feels like. Reading this thread, I was beginning to feel that all I needed to do was to develop a walk like John Wayne or his British counterpart, speak in a loud voice, have peace in my heart and love toward all humankind, and all would be well. Having said that, I also think that probably, the worst case scenario as far as the USA is concerned would be to be a young Black, Latino, or Native man or woman walking in an upperclass, white neighborhood.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: kimmers
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:36 PM

Domestic violence is definitely a whole 'nother ball game; same with sexual offenders in the home.

I would far rather walk through darkened city streets alone that spend five minutes alone in the same room with my mom's boyfriend who molested me when I was a teenager. He still makes me feel powerless and afraid, and I HATE that. In any other situation, I'm brave and bold.

The ironic thing? My mother wouldn't let me set foot out of the house at night by myself, for fear of "weirdos". She should have been worrying about someone much closer to home.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 06:48 PM

Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I don't have in mind to start a competition. I just think that it's not helpful to women to give them (us) the impression that we don't have to take precautions for our personal safety (anywhere, not just in cities). I was concerned that some of the things said in this thread might have that effect. The fact is that as women, we have to take responsibility for our safety, and that starts with knowing about the dangers we face, using common sense, and being prepared.

I think if we do that, we probably don't have too much to worry about. (Except maybe during hunting season.)

Carol


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:45 PM

When it comes to violence on the streets I think thta is how the figures work out. Proportionately more young men do get killed than any other section of society, in England anyway. But official statistics only tell a part of what goes on. Most violence never gets reported anyway.

I don't think there's much point in setting up competitions about that kind of thing. Too much violence anyway. I suspect there may well actually be less of it than there was one time, but it's more visible. But that's just a guess.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Bert
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:17 PM

I was walking in Tehran one evening in the middle of the revolution; this was after most ex-pats had left on the evacuation flights with on piece of hand luggage.
I saw these three tough looking Iranians approaching. They said 'Go home Yank'. Well I was English then, so it struck me as funny and I shook my head and laughed. After an initial surprised look they too started laughing and they walked on past.
So yes Larry and Joe a smile can work wonders.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:13 PM

McGrath of Harlow, I'm assuming that sexual assault and domestic violence are not included in the statistical numbers you have been looking at.

kimmers, sometimes attitude just won't cut it. But as you say, common sense helps.

Carol


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 03:53 PM

Good on ya Art! - Larry


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:58 PM

If I were you I'd stay away from any capital city of any state in the USA where they have Supreme Court buildings-----especially the nation's capital Washington DC where the big hotshot court is located. One never knows what they'll do. They profess to be moral leaders but they have been known to act in the name of whatever ism and hue is currently reflected by their majority. In the 1960s it seems to me they were actually legislating in favor of the left (if you are inclined to believe the right wingers). And recently they have once again created law by diciding on their own who won a national election for the presidency of the country. If power is the extent to which you can inconvenience others, then those nine individuals have shown their willingness to wield it in ways that discommode people of all races, religions, quirks and predispositions. In that sense, at least, they are admirably consistent. Being predictably consistent is hardly enough of an asset to outweigh their obvious disdain for the will of the people they supposedly serve. Indeed, their hautinesses seem willing and able to do whatever they want to do at any given moment. And that's what's so scary about the DC area in these modern times---more than any danger from any piddling little street gang.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: kimmers
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:42 PM

McGrath, I agree totally. Women may be at more risk for jeers and catcalls, but actual severe violence from strangers... nope, pretty unusual. Usually if we're beaten up, it's by someone we know.

When I'm working late and finishing up charts, inevitably one of my nurses hangs around so that we can walk out to our cars together. This cracks me up. I know that they all mean well, but come on! I have attitude and confidence and common sense. I look inside my car before I unlock the door. I walk briskly, and try to act like I own the place (okay, I do). How is a 5 foot tall hundred-pound nurse supposed to protect me from rapists and thugs? They don't do this to my male colleagues.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 01:11 PM

"It's probably important for women to remember that we are probably at greater risk than men wherever we go."

Well, as I undwerstand them, the statistics don't bear that out, and the mklst likely person to get injured on the streets (leaving aside miotor cars etc) would be a young man. But statistics can mean anything, and maybe some of those young men were asking for trouble (it's ok saying that about young men isn't it?), and pepper spray and phone sounds a good idea.

But a really powerful scream or yell is worth practising as well. Most people don't realise how loud the human voice can get, and they never build up the technique. Folk singers have an advantage here.

A bag of pepper is cheaper than a spray, and as effective - and it doesn't run a risk of being classed as an offensive weapon. My mother always used to carry one out on the pampas of Argentina, in case she ran into bandidos. The only time she did, she didn't have to use it - he was a perfect gentleman, just tried to chat her up.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Seth
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:28 AM

I used to live on San Pablo Avenue, near the Emeryville line, in Oakland, Ca. That area is being yuppified now, but then (1974) it was sometimes a dangerous place to live. Our rule of thumb was, if we only heard six shots or less outside, we wouldn't call the police, because they wouldn't come anyway. More than six, someone was either reloading or shooting back, so we would call. We had the Swami Muktananda Ashram at one end of the block, and the Golden Eagles Black biker gang at the other. It made for the most interesting Sunday afternoons as each group tried to ignore the other's existence. BUt like everywhere else I've lived, it was as dangerous as you made it. Plenty of working class neighbors, got to know 'em, they knew what was what, and we all looked out for each other. I had my place ripped off twice, and once an old guy on the street told me he didn't like me, didn't like white people at all. Worse things could have happened to me if I had been trying to be a drug dealer or a pimp there, but I wasn't into that, so people were either friendly or left us alone. There were plenty of local shops and stores and we made sure that all the merchants knew who we were. My wife felt pretty safe there. We did have a rather large Australian Shepard, who growled at people he didn't like, but even he said that guarding property was not in his contract, as we came home to our cleaned out apartment. They left my guitar, though, and didn't hurt my dog, so I was able to let all that go. I got a lot of good stories from living there, but my kids are sure that I'm making them up!

Seth from China


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 03:20 AM

Oh, well, if you're talking hunters, Carol - long ago, I found out it was a big mistake to go canoeing in Wisconsin in the Fall. It was a perfect afternoon for canoeing, until I realized the lake was surrounded by duck blinds, full of drunk guys with guns...
I cut that canoe trip short.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 03:04 AM

It's probably important for women to remember that we are probably at greater risk than men wherever we go. A good cell phone and a can of pepper spray are probably as good as a gun in most situations in which we find ourselves. And we should excercise caution about walking near dark alleys, or carrying ourselves with a look of uncertainty. And vigilance is always a good thing.

But this is as true in conservative strongholds as it is in liberal ones, because people who prey on women come from all political persuasions, all racial and ethnic groups, and all socio-economic strata.

Some of my scariest experiences have occurred in rural areas and small towns. So I'm careful wherever I go.

Carol

P.S. And like Joe Offer, the only time I've ever had a gun pointed at me, it was in the hands of a Republican. My ex-husband and I had parked in his parking area, mistakenly thinking it belonged to some friends we were trying to visit.

And then there was the time, out in the middle of nowhere, when a hunter took a shot right over my shoulder at a pheasant that was in the road right in front of me.

And then there were the hunters (again, out in the middle of nowhere), who aimed shots right through my yard at groundhogs that lived in the hillside behind my house. When I had a small child who might have been playing in the yard. All of this in a mostly Republican county where the local newspaper was called "The Republican". So pardon me if I don't trust Republicans with guns.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 10:52 AM

The other memory this thread brought back was of the three years I spent at University in Cardiff. My lodgings were across the road from a house wherein dwelt two young ladies in short skirts and badly bleached hair who were VERY popular. Men visited them at all hours of the day and night, though they didn't stay long and they didn't seem interested in the pre-school kids they had who were put out to play in the gutter during the day (fortunately not much traffic then!).
My housemates and I found this fascinating (but didn't tell our parents!). Our landlady used to shake her head and sniff eloquently at the spectacle: "Dew dew, Ach Y Fi!"!
RtS


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: InOBU
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 10:01 AM

Gorra maith agut, Fibula Mattock! Is it the Salvation Army Seamen's mission? - Larry


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 09:39 AM

Larry - Stella Maris, the Seamans' Mission, is still there on Gamoyle Street. My friend, working with his father's building company, helped refurbish it a few years ago, and I think it's been done up yet again. I'm not sure if it's the same one that's always been in that spot, but it's there now.


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 01:00 AM

You're definitely better off in front of that pack troll....for odious....uh no, make that obvious reasons.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Troll
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 12:50 AM

With maybe Cletus and Paw and the rest of the crew following him. The mind boggles.

troll *BG*


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Jimmy C
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 12:30 AM

Thanks,I'll remember that


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 19 Dec 00 - 12:18 AM

Catspaw said

"I'd be happy to meet you either place, even if its just for coffee and a couple of tunes in a parking lot!"

I dunno. I'd be leery about approaching a guy with a stick dulcimer in one hand and free coffee in the other. Especially in a parking lot.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Dec 00 - 09:32 PM

Hey Jimmy......As others have noted, if you're making this jaunt, there are 'Catters living in and around a lot of the places you mentioned. I hope you'll let us know if and when you'll be travelling. We're pretty good at keeping track of folks on the road and I know a lot of us would like to meet you. I live between Dayton and Wheeling in southeast Ohio and I'd be happy to meet you either place, even if its just for coffee and a couple of tunes in a parking lot!

Keep us posted huh?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: InOBU
Date: 18 Dec 00 - 09:25 PM

Hi Rick: My wife actually does say that to drug deelers, or more to the point, one fellow would say to her, every night, as she walked down the our street, "cess? cess? Cess?..." (a local brandname for a heroin product) Genie lost it and said, "Look, EVERY night for years you ask me if I want to buy heroin from you, WHAT you thing TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT?!?!?!?!?" He looked quite sheepish... so she tells me.
Cheers,
Larry


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 18 Dec 00 - 09:21 PM

Joe you stand tall in MY eyes!

Seriously folks, sure there can be danger. If you were poor, desparate, and verrry angry, you'd be dangerous too, but it's simply not as bad as some would make it out to be. Just use normal caution, and don't get caught up in political agendas.

'Course ya don't walk up to a drug dealer and say, "Hey isn't that supposed to be illegal"?

Rick


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: InOBU
Date: 18 Dec 00 - 07:57 PM

HEY JOE: I'd be alot more scared of that GI pen than MarkS' Walthers P-thirtywhatchamacllit! Just kidding, - Larry
PS A friend who was in an active service unit in NI has a very funny story about a Walthers and the wee hex nut which holds the barrel on. One day he was running down the stares with some soldiers close behind him. He heard a ringing, the barrel of his gun following him down the stares. The wee hex had gone walkabout. So he and a few of the lads welded the barrel to the body of the weapon. First serrious firefight he was in, thereafter - the first shot, the barrel landed about three feet in front of him and the bullet not far beyond that, rolling away. So, maybe Uncle Jaque and everyone should carry around a Walthers sans hex, just for yucks when things get serrious. Nothing like a good laugh to end a fight eh?


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Subject: RE: Unsafe parts of town
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 18 Dec 00 - 07:41 PM

Ha! Joe, you just reminded me of my first visit to New York. I lived in Denver at the time, but I had a friend who lived in Brooklyn, and she was letting me stay with her while we both attended a convention. One night, walking home, she started to get nervous, and I couldn't understand why. It was because she couldn't see anyone on the street but us! Whereas I was only nervous when I could see other people whose intentions I wasn't sure about.

It's taken 12 years of living in Boston for me to come around to her point of view...


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