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Anybody else hate parodies?

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Subject: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: GUEST,dan evergreen
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 04:17 PM

Much information is exchanged on the Mudcat about parodies. I hate parodies. I think it a low form of humor. How easy, to take somebody else's song and turn it into a joke. If it is a bad song anyway, it's not worth the attention. If it is a good song, or perchance a great song...I rest my case. Anyone agree?


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: MMario
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 04:26 PM

it's not all that easy. And before you putdown all parodies - check out the history of "Charlie on the MTA".

Wouldn't say parody is my favorite form of song, but it has it's place.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: john c
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 04:28 PM

Couldnt agree with you more, Dan. Took the words right out my mouth!


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 04:43 PM

Old thread. parody : Good or bad?.

Interesting in that I started off there with a very 'anti' view, but changed.........


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 04:45 PM

Its obvious that neither of you two have any appreciation for low forms of humor. Lemmee guess....Neither of you has ever been able to make fart noises by holding your hand under your armpit. Yeah, I thought so. I'm sorry but some are just not gifted in low taste and sub-intelligent buffoonery. Can't be helped I guess. Here......Pull my finger.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 04:45 PM

depends on the parody! - Larry


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: GUEST,Sergio Alguim
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 04:45 PM

I think parodies can be very funny. I agree, its a kind of low level, but if its good done, then it can be extremely funny.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Bert
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:02 PM

Check out the songs here (lots of them are parodies) and then see if you feel the same way.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: GUEST,dan evergreen
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:10 PM

Yeah, Shambles, that's a thought-provoking thread, but the kind I am talking about is--not the kind that merely borrows the tune or even the framework--but the kind that is intended to be recognized primarily as a facetious take-off on the original. The kind that would evoke the question: (on Mudcat for instance) "Lyrics Requested--Green Fields of France, THE PARODY."


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Midchuck
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:12 PM

Fact is, they WORK - with an audience.

Especially if it's a parody on a song that's good - maybe even great - but has been done too much.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:30 PM

I write them, I sing them, I like them. Not all, of course....but then again I don't like all songs, either.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:31 PM

As others have said before, it depends. Most of all it probably depends on your personal feelings towards a song, but also what kind of song it is. I don't mind 'The Boxer' - a song I like, btw - being turned into 'The Folker', which I think is hilarious. Somehow I DO mind Eric Bogle's anti-war songs being parodied. They may have been done too much - No Man's Land, certainly - but it's still a first class song about a very very serious topic. In the same way, I might resent a parody of 'The Freedom Come-All-Ye' or something, but not of a traditional ballad (not most of them, anyway). Others may - and obviously do - feel very differently. It's down to personal taste and emotion.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Matt_R
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:36 PM

I'm with you, Dan. I pretty much detest parodies, especially of good songs. I heard this parody of "Only Wanna Be With You" by my beloved Hootie & The Blowfish (who's shirt I'm wearing now)...it made me wanna puke. Now, I have written songs based on another and using the same tune, but I hate parodies that attack the original song. There must be a more constructive way to use creativity...like write your own stuff.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:49 PM

It's not easy to write a good parody, that is, one that the audience at hand appreciates. We think there are two essential ingredients. First, the audience must be familiar with the original at least enough to see how the parody relates to it. Second, the more original words are retained in the parody, the better it is. Where original words are not retained, if similar sounding words are used, the parody gets better, e.g., The Grey Flannel Line.

We love good parodies and have written a few. We write them when a striking similarity between what we want to say and the words to an existing song pop into our heads. We have never been offended by any parody but we have heard some that are pretty bad. Some even use another tune but seem to disregard the original words completely.

On the other hand, we were at a song circle once when a newcomer sang "Pleasant and Delightful". Someone followed it with what we thought was a good parody of it and the newcomer got up and walked out and was never seen again. Moral: Parodies can be offensive to some so be careful when and where you sing them.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 05:56 PM

Good parodies are far and few between... I have, however, churned butter once or twice, Living In An Amish Paradise...

and I love the sentiment expressed in Waltzing Old Martin...

;-)


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Max Tone
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 06:02 PM

Many "parodies" I've come across are not take-offs of the songs themselves, but are reflections on the people who sing them, especially those who murder the best session favourites.
I nearly dropped a clanger at a session on Saturday -- I was about to do "The murder of the County Down" when someone jumped in with a poor rendition of the original. Glad I kept my mouth shut, 'cos he's a mate! (see Bev and Jerry's tip, above)

Some become nothing to do with the original whatsoever and end up as a set of lyrics put to an existing tune, on a different subject.
Where would we be without humour?
Have a Purrrrfect Xmas,
Rob


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 06:02 PM

Some songs scream at you OH PARODY ME! PAHLEEZE! Who can hear the Barney song, without a thousand parodies coming into your head... I used one in my ballad, Barney meets the Celtic Tiger (I love you you love me, we're a happy family of slavish sweat shops all around the world, our invisable empire's flag unfurled....)


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 06:24 PM

Does that mean you guys didn't like my Birthday song for Rick Fielding?
I thought it was kind of funny.

:(


Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 06:35 PM

Oh for heaven's sake...........Like a parody is demeaning or something. Unbelievable....."my beloved Hootie and the Blowfish"........I think I'm gonna' throw up. Songs are songs....a parody is simply a joke and Bev and Jerry have it right. They may not appeal to a particular audience and you need to be more aware of your audience in doing them, but for gawdsakes people, have a laugh and try not to keep the Preparation H folks in business. When they are well done they are both funny and pointed and if their humor is below your station and intellect then just avoid them.

This one came up after the Florida election debacle and fits the criteria of a decent parody. Oh dearie me, I hope I don't offend any Dylan fans.

Click Here for Real Audio if I did the clicky right.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Troll
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:07 PM

If you don't Weird Al Yankovic is a very talented man or enjoy Homer and Jethro(both now sadly departed) you have a very different idea of both talent and humor than I do.
Parody can definetly be overdone So can Bob Dylan, Pete Seeger, Gordon Bok or Hootie and the Blowfish.
There is such a thing as overkill. A few good parodies never hurt anyone.

troll


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Matt_R
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:08 PM

Hmmmph.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Catrin
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:17 PM

Thanks Catspaw - I just listened to it - very funny (and I'm a Dylan Fan!)......


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:50 PM

Generally only good songs give rise to good parodies, and they in no way diminish a or damage the original song.

All right, you can have a parody which is destructive, maybe of some song that the parodist thinks is a terrible or wrong-headed song. But most parodies are more in the way of tributes.

The best parodies I've ever come across were the Kippers -the great thing there was that they weren't that close, but just close enough, and they would turn the tune around as well as the words. And yet you recognised it, and it would build on some potential absurdity in the original which had never occurred to you. Most parodies are trivial, but not these ones.

And I'd distinguish completely between a parody, and a song that uses an existing tune, or an existing song structure, and yet is a new song. Some of Ewan MacColl's best songs did that, and I'd never class them as parodies.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 07:56 PM

Parodies are ways of punching holes in sacred cows. People take things a bit too seriously and "boom" - a parody. I wonder if anyone's ever done a study to see if the liklihood of a parody is directly related to the seriousness of a song. Then again, judging by the number of parodies to "Waltzing With Bears," maybe it's not worth pursuing.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 08:16 PM

Parodies have their place, but that place is usually not on a CD, unless that CD consists of ALL parodies. And I would not buy that CD unless it were VERY cheap.

For instance, I love what Weird Al Yankovic does with pop songs. They're even funnier when you see the video. His videos always include sight gags that parody the original video. But I wouldn't play most of his CD's more than once or twice.

When my wife and her band made their first cassette tape, it was all tunes except for one song. The song was a parody of "English Country Garden." The first time I heard it, it was sort of funny. The second time, it was still kind of cute. It's gone downhill from there. My wife and I have grown to hate it, and whenever we play that tape, we fast-forward past that song. I think the whole band came to regret including it on the tape.

But they still sing it sometimes at concerts, and I don't blame them, because most people in any given audience usually haven't heard it before, and they always get a good chuckle.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 08:26 PM

Putting a parody on a CD or tape is not a good idea. It's like telling a joke over and over. I do the same thing (fast forward) and I enjoy parodies. Yet, there are some jokes, and parodies, that can stand up to the repetition. Consider the Lou and Peter Berryman recordings.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 08:47 PM

Most of Lou and Peter Berryman's songs are not parodies. They are totally original songs that are meant to be funny, and they are. And the tunes are good, and original, too.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: mg
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 09:08 PM

I am definitely not fond of them, especially when I am quite fond of the original song. I find most about as amusing as a knock knock joke...maybe cute the first time..someone had a rule for song circles which I think was great...if you are going to sing them you can't follow the real song with a parody. The one that I love though and never got tired of (not sure it is exactly a parody but maybe ) is Tequila in the Jar by Bob Kotta..mg


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Naemanson
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 09:43 PM

Jim, my point is the recording of a joke, not just parodies.

All this boils down to is that there are people who like them and those who don't. You have to know your audience. I went to a session once and was asked to sing a parody right after someone had pointed out that one of the people present hated parodies. I was not inclined to sing it but others insisted and I sang it. There was no negative repercussions and the guy didn't walk out. I didn't feel too uncomfortable and even sang another later. But I made a point to limit the parodies I sang to just those two.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 09:47 PM

I have, however, churned butter once or twice, Living In An Amish Paradise...

Clinton, is that a parody? I'd love to hear it, even if it's just a song! Would you please post it?

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Metchosin
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:16 PM

Woowee! love the link Spaw! Brilliant!

I love a good parody, especially when it bites or makes me laugh til I cry. Not enough humour in the world so I'll take it wherever and however I can.

Odd....some songs I only remember the parody and not the original......Hmmm...another one rides the bus (stomp)...... another one rides the bus....?


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Matt_R
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:36 PM

yes Ebbie, it's Weird Al's parody of Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise".


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 10:40 PM

Glad you liked it Mets and Catrin......I laughed myself silly at it.

AND EBBIE........Knowing your background, you not only need the words but you DEFINITELY NEED to see the video!!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 11:07 PM

Naemanson, the parody hating person at the session hates parodies that make fun of the original songs. The songs you did were more like completely original songs that just swiped the tune and format of the original song. They didn't actually make fun of them.

It's amazing that Weird Al always asks permission of the author when he records parodies. I think the writer/performer of the original has joined him on recordings more than once.

The first part of this is rap, I believe. Gotta imagine a guy dressed in Amish clothing doing rap...

Amish Paradise
(c) Weird Al Yankovic
(I can't think of the name of the original song for some reason. I think it was Coolio who wrote and recorded it.)

As I walk through the valley where I harvest my grain
I take a look at my wife and realize she's very plain
But that's just perfect for an Amish like me
You know, I shun fancy things like electricity
At 4:30 in the morning I'm milkin' cows
Jebediah feeds the chickens and Jacob plows... fool
And I've been milkin' and plowin' so long that
Even Ezekiel things that my mind is gone
I'm a man of the land, I'm into discipline
Got a Bible in my hand and a beard on my chin
But if I finish all of my chores and you finish thine
Then tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699

We've been spending most our lives
Living in an Amish paradise
I've churned butter once or twice
Living in an Amish paradise
It's hard work and sacrifice
Living in an Amish paradise


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Matt_R
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 11:15 PM

You can get the full lyrics right here.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 20 Dec 00 - 11:36 PM

I think parody is an essential part of the "folk" tradition. Like any other kind of folklore, it makes a point about how people in a culture think and react in a certain time and place. I love recorded parodies, and think the joke stays funny no matter how many times I hear it, if it was a good joke to begin with. Yes, I'm the person who buys the Wierd Al CD's and videos, and while I don't listen to them constantly, they do provide a certain leaven to my existence.

I can't be alone in this. There must be people like me. Why else would Flanders and Swann be available on CD?


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 12:16 AM

Funny! There are a couple of lines that would be a tad upsetting to an Amish person- for instance, they don't allow themselves to call someone a 'fool'. Somewhere in the Bible it says that a man who calls another a fool is in danger of hellfire- a slight paraphrase, I suppose.

But I do know they'd find the 'local boy kicked me in the butt' line very funny.

The newsletter I do - and the next one is going out the week after Christmas- goes out to about 65 people about half of whom are Amish- and I'm going to include this parody in it. I can guarantee you they will NOT have heard of Weird Al.

Weird Al Yankovich has done a concert in Juneau several times in the years I've been here but I never went to see him. Sounds like I should have!

Thanks for the lyrics, guys.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 12:53 AM

Matt, I think you were right on in your original post when you said, "I hate parodies that attack the original song." I don't think attacking is fun anywhere in music. OK, I can think of two exceptions. Protest songs, that are attacking something very terrible, like Dylan's Masters of War; and a song I heard Janet Stecher sing many years ago that could have been written by Bob Blue, but maybe was by someone else: "I Hype the Songs." Laughed my F.A.O.Schwarz on that one.

I love parodies that clearly respect the original song, and aren't mean and attacking. I wrote a parody of "Rolling Down to Old Maui" back in 1983, but I don't sing it any more because I think it makes fun of something that is not at all laughable. Others may disagree...that's why we have chocolate and vanilla...and Barney.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Gervase
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 06:28 AM

I have to say I love 'em - in the right context. We've got a bloody good parodist in our midst here, with some of Micca's lyrics hitting the spot every time.
His "The Hash my Father Scored" (It's in the Mudcat Songbook) once beautifully disarmed what was threatening to become a rather bitter piece of sectarian sniping in the bar of the Europa in Belfast when I was based there, and for that reason alone the song was worthwhile, IMNSHO.
Last year I spent ages learning Keith Marsden's "The King of Rome", only to hear Mike Gibson's wonderful parody about next-door's orange cat and its near-fatal taste for pigeons, and now I can't sing it when Mike's anywhere near for fear of cracking up in hysterics. His parody doesn't in any way detract from the original song - all it is is a very funny song in its own right which has particular appeal for those who know the original (and I'm still trying to get the words from Mike - when I do I'll post 'em here).
And what about all the "traditional" parodies - the 17th and 18th century piss-takes published as broadsides? Are they also somehow demeaning to the original and not to be sung? Of course not. A parody should stand or fall on its own merits - if it's a good song and funny or thought-provoking, then perform it. If it's a crock of crap, then let it quietly die.
My son recently introduced me to Weird Al Yankovic, and I love the guy - some of his parodies also had me in hysterics.
But the past tense is important - as mentioned, parodies are a bit like sticky chocolate pudding; once in a while they're fun, but they don't bear too much repetition.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 06:49 AM

Same as others here I like 'em in the right place and if they are good (Kippers, Rambling Syd Rumpo, Stanley Accrington etc.)

What I would ask is what do the anti parody people think of parodies which do not mock a particular song but a particular event or person? Eric Bogle's "I hate wogs" immediately springs to mind - mercilessly sending up racist attitudes in Australia. The other thread running at the moment about Star Trek could be another?

Surely there are many parodies which do not in themselves send up someone elses music but do poke fun at someone or something else. How do we feel about these? Or are these not parodies at all???

Cheers

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 10:00 AM

Loathe parodies. And puns.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 10:16 AM

Point of pedantia - David Sudbury wrote "King of Rome," not Kieth Marsden.

Matt, thanks for finding the entire "Amish Paradise." I thought I'd found the whole thing, even if it seemed a bit short.

I'd also ask if people who don't normally like parodies ever think a song deserves it. Maybe a song's a bit too precious, maybe the lyrics aren't all that great, but it's a huge hit. Have you ever thought "I normally hate parodies, but that song is just asking for one?"


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Grab
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 10:58 AM

Gervase, any chance of that "King Of Rome" (aka "Charlie's Pigeon" where I come from) parody?

Thing is, it's possible to do a parody to be malicious, either to offend the songwriters or to piss off someone in your folk club who sings that song. But if it's done in a good spirit and isn't designed to piss ppl off, then fine. The Xmas parodies thread has 2 parodies of "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" ("God Rest Ye Unitarians" and "Arrest These Merry Gentlement") which are great.

But as someone further up says, it's a joke and it's only effective if used sparingly. Same applies to all songs actually - familiarity breeds contempt, which is why Dylan songs can be badly received.

Grab.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Matt_R
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 11:00 AM

It almost seems like anything Weird Al parodies seemed to be asking for it, even though you may have never heard the original. But Weird Al has a way of NOT attacking the original song. For instance he did a parody of Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust", called "Another One Rides The Bus", where he played a harp made from a toilet seat. Queen thought it was hilarious...and so did I.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 11:18 AM

Come to think of it, if I wrote a song that became so popular that someone else decided to write a parody for it, why I would take that as a big compliment.

Little Neo


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 11:21 AM

Jeri or Matt.........I know as Jeri mentioned that Weird Al gets permission and that the artists enjoy it, but in some VH1 special I saw, I remember that somebody was less than thrilled and really didn't go for it but it was released anyway. Coolio perhaps....or was it someone else? Senior moment here.......

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 11:44 AM

From Al-Oholics Anonymous and (specifically) from This Chicagoland Express article:

Way back, when he decided he wanted to lampoon Gangsta's Paradise, said Yankovic, he asked his record sompany, Scotti Bros., to get the nod from Coolio. That's the way he always does it, he explained.
Usually, the artists are amused. The guys in Nirvana loved it when he made Smells Like Nirvana, about how nobody could understand the words to Smells Like Teen Spirit.
A few days later, a Scotti executive bumped into COolio at a party and reported back that the rapper was OK with the idea. Weird Al began recording. Later, he heard Coolio was not OK with the idea, particularaly not on Grammy night - though that could have had something to do with Yankovic's hairdo (a homage to Coolio that also inspired the CD's title and cover art) at the American Music Awards a few weeks before.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 11:52 AM

Sorry but I must also register a dissenting vote. I love parodies. The more I like the original song, the better I like the parody. (As long as the parody is done well,of course. No art form is enjoyable when done poorly.)

Puns are also considered a "low" form of humor, but I love puns too.

All this high/low humor stuff sounds pretty classist and/or racist to me. "That's the stuff that THOSE people find amusing."

Alex


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Micca
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 01:10 PM

Gervase, I think you will find the King of Rome parody is by Malcolm Austen. the copy he sent me was copyrighted may 1990. I will add it to the list here when I can get his ok...


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: sophocleese
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 01:22 PM

I like a lot of parodies. Its possible to parody specific songs, like Barnie, or parody a form of song, like insipid children's music, or use a popular song with altered words to make fun of another topic of the day. Its very difficult to effectively parody excellent stuff. Parodies work by highlighting and and expanding on the absurdities or weaknesses in a song or form. Good parodies can last longer than the original until they in turn become hackneyed and re-parodied. Its a fun process, like bursting ballons.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 01:26 PM

For those who care, some of the parodies I have written can be found here: clicky

Alex


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 02:59 PM

Murphy's 27th Law

"You have taken yourself too seriously!"

Parodies and puns are like anything else....there are good ones and bad ones. The really good ones are treasures that are a window on life....some folks just don't WANT to look too closely.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 21 Dec 00 - 08:26 PM

I Like the good ones, if they're done well, and I agree, one should know one's audience or be in "safe company" rather than risk widespread offence. I write them too, but mine are usually on topical subjects, so cannot be sung more than a couple of times before they go out of date, e.g.

Step we gaily, on we go, all the way to old Skibo,

Armed with super video, all for Madonna's wedding,etc,etc.

Tattie B


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: ddw
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 12:05 AM

I don't have time to read through all the posts here, but thought I'd throw this out for what it's worth — pardon if someone's already mentioned it.

How 'bout Ray Stevens? He's an absolute musical genius and he parodies EVERYTHING. His parody of Pirates of Penzance is a scream and what he does to the Michael Jackson (now tell HE is begging to be parodied!) song Bad would probably give a sheep lover a woody.

And what about Tom Lehrer (Sp?). He parodied all kinds of things.

Low humor? Not if it's done well.

david


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Matt_R
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 12:14 AM

Um....ddw...Ray Stevens doesn't really do parodies...they are all originals. The parody of Michael Jackson's "Bad" was done by Weird Al...he called it "Fat". "The Pirate Song" a classic I learned WAY before I came here to ECU where "The Pirate Song" is a tradition...references The Pirates of Penzance, but in no way parodies it. All the music is original. OK wait...there is one that isn't original...his spoof of "Thus Spake Zarathustra" was "Thus Cacked Henrietta". Same exact music...escept instead of instruments he used animal noises.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: ddw
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 12:46 AM

Matt — maybe you're right about Pirates not being a parody of a song, but it's a parody of the play. And you can add "Back in the USSR," a parody of "Back In The U.S.A." to the list of parodied songs. Weird Al may have done a parody of MJ's Bad, but so does Stevens — ends it with a barnyard chorus featuring the bleating of sheep on the 'B-a-a-a-d" bit. He also parodied a Beach Boys tune, then name of which escapes me at the moment, and one called "The Flies of Texas."

Seems to me I've seen your posts claiming Stevens is a favorite of yours, so maybe you're just not aware of all the songs he's lampooning.

david


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Matt_R
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 01:05 AM

Is this newer stuff, maybe? I know his 70's and 80's stuff...


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: ddw
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 01:11 AM

Yeah, Matt — some of this stuff is from the '90s. And if I remember it right, the BBs song I couldn't think of was "Surfin' USSR." Check it out — he copies the musical styles almost perfectly with absolutely outragous lyrics, then sometimes does something wild with the music as the song progresses.

david

BTW — last post here for now. Don't work again until Xmas Day.

Happy Humbug, everybody.


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Subject: RE: Anybody else hate parodies?
From: Matt_R
Date: 22 Dec 00 - 01:18 AM

Ah see? The last one I had was from 1988.


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