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Subject: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: mousethief Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:33 PM Old thread was getting WAY too long. Please continue discussion here. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: catspaw49 Date: 03 Jan 01 - 11:38 PM Thanks MT......Now maybe we can get some serious clarification and definition on the concealed capo issue. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: mousethief Date: 04 Jan 01 - 12:03 AM I see that even after I capped the old thread, MAV insisted on posting not just once (which could have been a crossing-in-the-mail) but twice. It well behooves a guest or a newcomer to try to follow the rules (and there are so few here at Mudcat!) of the place they are new to. Of course the Internet is not new and MAV unfortuantely seems to lack any sense of netiquette, so this may be an ongoing thing with him. Rarely have I seen so much self-righteousness in one place. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: paddymac Date: 04 Jan 01 - 12:49 AM I followed that thread very early, but lost interest. Glad I haven't tried to keep up with it. I'm not overly fond of self-righteousness. Hmm. Perhaps a grammarian in the family could tell me if it would be an oxymoron to say "self-righteousness is wrong-headed." Or, maybe just moronic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: juju Cobra Date: 04 Jan 01 - 12:50 AM Those without substantive arguments resort to personal attacks. This is an especially useful lesson for anyone who attempts to understand the modern left. Thank you Mousethief, for demonstrating this principle here for us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: katlaughing Date: 04 Jan 01 - 05:45 AM Are you saying MAV is the "modern Left?!!" What a hoot! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jan 01 - 06:08 AM Pedantic drift: "Whether you like it or not, these people were elected by a majority of the population of our fair country, and they deserve the respect of their offices. In Al Gore's case, he got a majority of the vote and still didn't get elected."
None of them got a majority. What you mean is that more people voted for Clinton than for Daddy Bush and whoever the guy was last time (Dole was it? Footnotes of history), and more people voted for Gore than for Baby Bush.
But it wasn't a majority of the voters, since there were third party candidates around to share the votes - and nothing like a majority of the people who could have voted, since thye USA has such an remarkably low tuirnout in elections (I think it's probably the lowest in the world world - the spin on that when the turnout goes down in England is that it shows how contented people are...
THe word you want is plurality.
I don't know why anyone should be keen to emphasise that they live in a Republic, but be pleased that it is not a Democracy. You could say the same of South Africa under apartheid. The same for Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia, Saddam's Iraq, the Taliban's Afghanistan, Pol Pot's Cambodia...and a lot more. I doubt very much if there's anyone around here who much fancies that bunch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Greg F. Date: 04 Jan 01 - 07:14 AM Kat, I think he's maintaining that MAV is employing "substantive arguments"--- which is even MORE of a hoot! Best, Greg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: catspaw49 Date: 04 Jan 01 - 07:20 AM Whichever way it is, its a hoot. But Greg, lemmee ask you, whaddaya' think? Shubb or Kyser? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Greg F. Date: 04 Jan 01 - 08:28 AM Actually, 'Spaw, I use an aluminum el-cheapo Shubb-clone on my Guild 12 & the old junky "Jim Dunlop" type on my 6. Guess I'm a bit of a Luddite. Or a cheapskate. And how about them Sooners, eh??? Best, Greg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: kendall Date: 04 Jan 01 - 08:38 AM Does anyone make a 12 string capo that really works? I have an old Hamilton, but, it is getting weak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: GUEST,Stackly Date: 04 Jan 01 - 08:53 AM 03-Jan-01 - 10:45 PM
Guys, guys, guys...
That wasn't name calling... I call 'em like I see 'em....
See ya.
MAV
Right then, MAV, by your own definitions, here's some analysis for you: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Midchuck Date: 04 Jan 01 - 09:06 AM Does anyone make a 12 string capo that really works? I have an old Hamilton, but, it is getting weak. Shupp 12-string model is excellent, but may not work on a very deep neck. YOU'RE AN OBNOXIOUS, LOUDMOUTHED, SELF-RIGHTEOUS ARSEHOLE. And a moron into the bargain if you actually believe the mindless nonsense you spew. Piss off back into your compound & clean your AR-15, OK? Eternal Vigilence being the price of paranoia, and all. Was that a liberal showing the true depth of his intellect or a conservative showing the true depth of his intellect? It's getting hard to tell the players without a scorecard. (When confused, I find it helps to recite the first line of the chorus of Barrett's Privateers over and over until one feels better.) Peter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: kendall Date: 04 Jan 01 - 09:09 AM I will post no more forever. (to this thread) for you folks across the pond, that is a paraphrase of a statement by Chief Joseph of the Nez Perse indians when his position became hopeless. This thread is just too damn nasty for me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jan 01 - 09:47 AM Well, I swear by my Kyser. But it'd be good if they could come up with a Kyser which could be adjusted delicately, like a Shubb.
But here are the sort of capos more in keeping with the tone of some of this thread... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Kim C Date: 04 Jan 01 - 10:55 AM Well, okay, I'm a conservative, and a gun owner. I am also a harmless cuddly little fuzzball UNTIL I get backed into a corner. However I do not insist that everyone agree with me as I also believe in the balance of the universe, and that all viewpoints are important in the attempt to achieve that balance. And we may never get the balance, but the attempting is important nonetheless. We have a Shubb and a Kyser. Mister likes the Shubb for the classical guitar because it accommodates the fat neck. I like the Kyser for my own guitar because it's just simpler. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: jeffp Date: 04 Jan 01 - 10:59 AM You might try a Victor capo. They have a sort of rack-and-pinion type of arrangement tightened by a thumbscrew. I'm really satisfied with mine. I can tighten it just until the strings don't buzz and it doesn't throw my tuning off. jeffp |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: mousethief Date: 04 Jan 01 - 11:02 AM I have one of them one-hand capos but I'll be hornswoggled if I know the brand name. I bought it when I joined a music group and was informed that they all had one and to be part of the "in" gang I needed to get one too. I was less self-assured at the time so I fell into lock-step. Anyway, it's at home, and I'm at work, so I can't even look to tell you what brand-name it is. But I like it fine enough. I'm surprised nobody called me on the self-righteous comment. It was meant to be obviously tongue-in-cheek (calling somebody else self-righteous is a very self-righteous thing to do!). Sigh. Either I'm losing my edge, or you all are a bunch of simpering idiots. Must be losing my edge. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Rick Fielding Date: 04 Jan 01 - 11:20 AM Dammit Kendall, I'm not starting another damn "capo thread" just for you..so get back here and listen to what we're telling you! Best way to capo a 12 string is to cut two tiny "V" shaped grooves where the "Big" E and A strings contact the rubber. This works! I'me a tuning fanatic, and never had any trouble after I started doing this. Personally I use a Golden Gate capo for 12 string, but it works well with Shubb, Dunlop "C" clamp or Kaiser. I guess like a few of us, I too lost interest in what at times was an interesting thread. Folks who see absolutely NO fault in their own ideology ALWAYS end up overstating their case...and then it's just like listening to advertising or commercials. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: mousethief Date: 04 Jan 01 - 12:09 PM Actually, regarding the politics, I feel Jaques has let us down. We were promised a serious, well-thought-out, non-inflammatory discursion by this MAV fellow, and when he finally appeared, we got flames and smoke but nothing approaching what was suggested by Jaques. Although I must say that on our own we had a pretty good discussion going for a bit there. Unfortunately the conclusion most easily drawn from this is that too many conservative brains are like soup in a bad restaurant: best left unstirred. We know that very intelligent conservatives exist out there. DougR seems intelligent enough most of the time (although he couldn't resist being snide when he posted here, could he?). Troll likewise. Until we can have newcomers of roughly equivalent (or higher) caliber to them, we may just have to be content with them as our token conservative folkies. I hope they feel themselves up to the task! Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: GUEST,colwyn dane Date: 04 Jan 01 - 12:14 PM Hi,
Mcgrath of Harlow wrote:
I found this reply to a question about US politics on an newgroup last night:
"The Republican Party is a political party which at its heart supports the Republican form of government. Democrats on the otherhand favor a democracy. One might be confused by this, thinking there is little difference between the two, but while republicanism as established in the U.S. is a democratic process, it still differs substancially from a democracy.
First: central to the republican form of government is the idea that the principle of law must prevail. In other words, unlike democracy where
The author was Semperfinite.
How accurate is this? Perhaps some of the US denizens of the Mudcat will focus some of their brightness on the above and illuminate,for me,this shadowy subject.
It seems that before you can have a major political change in the US, e.g. banning Christianity, you would have to perform major surgery on the Constitution/Ammendments using the political operating facilities in DC.
Regards,
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jan 01 - 12:25 PM When the people you're arguing with go way over the top it doesn't really hurt at all. It's when the people who are "on your side" do it that it must get embarrassing.
There was a good quote on a thread some time back to the effect that in every struggle you find yourself involved in, sooner or later you run up alongside someone whom you profoundly wish was on the other side.
The good thing with Kysers is that you can use them instantly, without any fiddling about - which means you can move them around in the middle of a tune in a session. I've found that the tuning still stays ok for my ear, most of the time (which it doesn't with the elasticated capos I've used). But it'd be good to be able to adjust them so they were exactly right for a particular instrument.
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: mousethief Date: 04 Jan 01 - 12:29 PM The terms "republic" and "democracy" are nearly as flexible as a rubber snake, and therefore about as useful in serious discussion. Until everyone at the table agrees on what they mean, you can get lots of shouting accomplished by saying this or that country is or isn't a democracy, or is or isn't a republic. But little of worth will be accomplished, again, if they aren't nailed down first. Many people -- particularly conservatives in the USA -- like to use "democracy" to mean "a regime in which every law is voted on directly by all the people." Not sure why; there has never been such a beast in the history of the world, nor will there likely ever be one. Nor is it clear to me why, in a "democracy," you couldn't have a hierarchy of laws in which the "higher" laws (comparable, say, to the US constitution) take a larger "majority" to change than the lower laws, and thus if freedom of religion is a higher law, say one requiring a 75% majority to change, and the populace voted 60-40 on outlawing christianity, the ban would fail, because it contradicted the higher law. Thus your author with the cute pen-name must be thinking of adding to his definition of democracy, "and every law is passed with a simple majority." And how THIS can be justified as part of the definition of "democracy" is completely beyond my ability to fathom. Presumably "republic" means some sort of representative government. If I were as pedantic as this Semperfinite fellow (always of fixed size? does this refer to his private parts?) I might say that since the Roman senators were not popularly elected, and this was the first example of a Republic, then a country in which the representatives are popularly elected (e.g. the USA, UK, etc) is not really a Republic. But I'm not that pedantic. Speaking for myself, I would say the USA is a Republic because it is a representative government, and it is a Democracy because the representives are popularly elected. As someone has once said, it's a democratic Republic (or, to vice the versa, a republican Democracy). Gotta run to a meeting. Great questions, Colwyn, and thanks for getting us back on track! Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jan 01 - 03:56 PM I don't think equating Republic with having representative government really works - there are too many countries which are called Republics which don't have representative government, and other countries which aren't called Republics which do have it.
I mean, you can't really say that countries like Sweden or Holland or Spain or Great Britain, none of them "Republics" don't have governments at least as representative as France or the USA or Argentina. Essentially a Republic means the ceremonial or actual head of state isn't there because his father had the job. Which normally means the USA qualifies. (Not so sure for the next four years...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: mousethief Date: 04 Jan 01 - 04:26 PM Okay, McGrath, I can accept that definition of Republic, seeing as both are given in the online Webster's. This just highlights what I was saying: you need to make sure people are using the same definitions of words to ensure that real communication is taking place. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Jan 01 - 05:11 PM "Republic" is the antonym of "Monarchy". A "Democracy" is a society where rules are made by the decision of the majority (or in the case of multiple choices, the largest number) of votes cast. Therefore a system which prevents this happening is not democratic, and this is as true of the USA as of the UK (or Tsarist Russia or the former USSR). There has been a society in which all laws were discussed at a forum of all members of the society and passed by majority vote. It was ancient Greece, but the definition of "society" or "member of society" excluded slaves and foreigners. I am not sure I want to get too close to a woman with the strength of grip to prefer a Kyser to other capos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Jan 01 - 05:12 PM Okay. Capos. I started out using a kyser, and didn't like it much, cos it squeezes too hard, which causes the 6th string to go sharp, which requires retuning said string, and then retuning it again when you take the damn capo off! Of course, you can angle the capo away some from the fret at the base end, and that helps, but the 6th string still usually goes sharp. Phooey. Shubb capos, on the other hand, are marvellous. They don't cause the 6th string to go sharp when you have them adjusted right. It's Shubb all the way with me. Furthermore, you CAN put the Shubb capo on the guitar (just above the nut, over the strings, with a very slight amount of squeeze) while you're not using it. Causes no problems, and works great. Try it. As for the Conservative cavalry in Canada, they've shot themselves in the foot so many times that they have become a spent force in this country, at least for the time being. And the so-called "Liberal" party? It's as corrupt as Tammany Hall. The only good thing you can say about it is that at least it's not "conservative"...if you can tell the difference, that is...
O, Canada, our home and native soil (Alternate version of the Canadian national anthem...try it out at the next hockey game when they play the music.) - LH
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jan 01 - 05:50 PM Have you tried putting the Kyser the other way round and seeing if that works better, Little Hawk? The trouble is they're one-size fits all, and guitars aren't. That's why an adjustable one would be a good idea. (Well, you can adjust them if you've got a couple of pairs of pliers etc, but it's a rough and ready approach.)
And I can't see being able to move a Shubb from the second fret to the seventh without losing your place in a tune.
I don't see Monarchy as an antonym of Republic. Hereditary Monarchy, yes. But the President of the United States is a temporarily elected Monarch. (At least that's how it's supposed to work. For Salman Rushdie's versification of this, click here.)
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Bill D Date: 04 Jan 01 - 07:03 PM re: one handed capos....a number of years ago, Wilkerson capos were all the rage...my wife(Ferrara) has an original (Waaaaaayyyyyyy back in the first post on the original thread, Uncle Jacque said that he felt that 'folkies' were assumed to be mostly 'liberal' etc., etc.....IF this is sort of true, does anyone but me wonder why that happens?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: juju Cobra Date: 04 Jan 01 - 08:56 PM mousethief, who are you to be constantly judging peoples caliber? That goofy "soup" homily proves that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed yourself. The fact that your posts always concern some percieved shortcoming of MAV's and never any genuine explanation for your desire to surrender our liberty to an authoritarian government, show me that your more interested in punishing people who disagree with you than you do explaining your political position. Perhaps you can't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: John P Date: 05 Jan 01 - 08:25 AM juju Cobra, I don't know when Mousethief decided that Mav's brain was best left unregarded, but for me it was when he accused me of probably getting ready to start resorting to name calling (which I don't think I've done in this thread), immediately after calling me a fascist. When I called his attention to this anomaly, he said he didn't see anything strange about the logic of it. I'm not sure why he decided I am a fascist --I've only actually taken two positions in this thread: that people who are willing to kill other people shouldn't call themselves pro-life, and that training and licensing gun owners might be a good idea. Mav's ability to draw the conclusion that I am a fascist based on these positions does not give me much desire to know more about how his mind works. And that was what Mousethief was saying: it's a soup best left unstirred. He was not saying that anyone was stupid. You drew the conclusion that he was saying that all on your own, took him to taksk for it, and then accused him of being stupid. I'll ask you the same question I asked Mav: Doesn't this juxtaposition strike you as a bit odd? John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Jan 01 - 10:49 AM John P - Interesting comments. We actually do train and license gun owners in Canada. You have to take a very thorough gun handling course and get the certificate before you can buy one. I took the course, simply because I thought it would be interesting (it was), but I have never followed it up and bought a gun, cos I don't have the feeling I need one particularly. Do you mean to say that in the USA there is no such mandatory course? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Name calling...well, it's easy for leftist/liberals to slip and call someone or something "fascist", just like it's easy for conservatives to slip and call someone a "bleeding heart". Being leftist by nature, I utterly hate the latter term (no matter what the occasion), and feel disgusted when I hear it...while conservatives no doubt feel that way when they hear the word "fascist" used against them. I guess we all need to learn a bit of tolerance... - LH
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Jan 01 - 12:09 PM McGrath - Yes, the kaiser capo is handy to slide to a new position. Can't argue with that. But I still prefer the Shubb. Regarding your quote: "I don't see Monarchy as an antonym of Republic. Hereditary Monarchy, yes. But the President of the United States is a temporarily elected Monarch. Yes! Wow! Precisely! This is what I said on another thread on political stuff. All elected "heads of state" are temporarily elected monarchs as far as I'm concerned. America threw out King George the Third in 1776. Now they've got King George the Second for the next four years. George the Third was called "the idiot king" by history, cos he lost the British half of North America. I wonder what nickname George the Second will earn? - LH
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Jan 01 - 12:40 PM Surely it'd be George the Third at least, since you've had George Washington and Daddy Bush already? (There may be more, but I don't know most of the ones in between too well.)
So I suppose that would make him "George the Third the Second." (But I think Salman Rushdie's nickname for him "The Grinch who stole America" has a better ring to it.)
Isn't it Kyser? It should be Kaiser I imagine, but I believe American immigration officials didn't worry too much about getting foreign names right sometimes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Rick Fielding Date: 05 Jan 01 - 12:49 PM I love this! Konservative Kavalry Kolides with Kaiser Kapos...Krikee! Just out of curiosity (since I gotta go shovel snow) can anyone add up the "capo posters"? I'm curious whether it's just the liberals who are adding music stuff to their political posts. Are the conservatives pulling their weight "capo-wise"? Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: CarolC Date: 05 Jan 01 - 07:15 PM The problem that I, personally, have with MAV, is that s/he was brought in by Uncle Jaques as a ringer because of his/her penchant for using strong-arm tactics in order to win an argument. Not because s/he necessarily has any interest in this forum or the people who use it. In that context, Uncle Jaques was behaving like a Troll, and MAV, a flamer. Uncle Jaques may have decided to reconsider this tactic. I hope he has. I don't see MAV on this continuation thread, so maybe s/he has had a similar change of heart. MAV, if you would like to participate in this forum as a human being, rather than as a bully, you might make some very good friends. Something to consider. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: GUEST Date: 05 Jan 01 - 08:21 PM Fair chance that MAV and UNK are the same person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: juju Cobra Date: 05 Jan 01 - 09:40 PM My complaint here is that when anyone here expresses an unpopular opinion they are always met with a chorus of personal derisions. When MAV, for example, speaks his mind, the subject of the replies always seems to be some critical judgment of MAV personally, not the subject of his post. I can argue the 14th admendment protection of same sex marriages in a thread full of conservatives and I'll be treated to some tortured constitutional interpretations but not the malicious personal critques one experiences here when defending the 2nd amendment. Anyway, I don't like the way capos leave you with such a low action. When I want to reference open strings, usually the rel. 1 and 5 to fatten up the sound I change the tuning to suit the key. It has some of the advantages of a capo and you don't lose all those nice low notes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: CarolC Date: 05 Jan 01 - 11:03 PM juju Cobra, I have to disagree with you on that one. troll is a conservative, and he commands a lot of admiration and respect around here. (He certainly has mine.) Click on troll's name in one of the threads and spend some time researching his posting history. MAV got the responses s/he got because of the way s/he expressed his/her opinions. Not because s/he has them. I don't use a capo. I play the accordion. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: juju Cobra Date: 06 Jan 01 - 02:54 AM Carol, Although we disagree, I want you to know I appreciate your candor, yet unreproachable manners through this unpleasant thread. Good by and it was nice to meet you, really! JJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Jan 01 - 06:50 AM Straight personal insults are not a good way of conducting arguments. But anyone who throws round word like "fascist" (except when they are using them accurately, which they normally aren't, and which MAV definitely was not) is inviting it.
I think it's better however to ignore the personal abuse, and to ignore the people who get it going. If that means their arguments get ignored, tough. (Not that I saw any that seemed to have much weight.)
Retuning is fine if you're playing on your own and there's no hurry. But it's no good in the middle of a tune. I suppose you could have soem kind of Scruggs tuning pegs - has anyone ever experimented with using these on guitars? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: InOBU Date: 06 Jan 01 - 10:02 AM HEY GUYS! I tired THREE different capos on my Uilleann pipes, and none of the damn things changed the key, so I took a lesson from Uncle Jaque - and I shot the damn thing! It worked! It made a new hole in the chanter, and changed the pitch, unfortunatly it is no longer in tune, and the dog who lives in the appartment under mine... is dead. Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: John P Date: 06 Jan 01 - 10:08 AM After many years of practicing with a Shubb capo, I can move it about as fast as a Kyser. But it takes two hands. I recently worked out a tune change where I struck a chord in the first key and held it while I moved the capo to the new key. The sound of the cittern never stopped. I couldn't do that with my Shubb, unless I was just removing the capo. I use a capo a lot, often high on the neck, so when I have the necks of my instruments worked on, I am careful to let the luthier know that. He seems to be able to adjust the action and intonation to support that a bit, probably finding some happier middle ground. Shall we assign political camps to capos? Would the Kyser be more conservative, with its vice-like grip, its unwillingness to bend? The Shubb is perhaps more liberal, more adjustable, willing to compromise into more situations. ;-) John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: John P Date: 06 Jan 01 - 10:17 AM Little Hawk, No, in the United States we don't need a license to keep a gun. We need a license to carry a concealed weapon in public, but that is all. I'm curious: Do you feel that you are living under a fascist regime, like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, because your populace is not generally carrying guns around? Or because you require those who want to have guns to know how to use them safely? Do you find that your homes are being invaded on a regular basis by criminals with guns, and that you could defend yourself against this if you had a gun, or that it would make any difference if you didn't have a license to keep the gun? How about our friends in the UK? I believe you have stricter gun laws than we do. How's the state of your society? John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Jan 01 - 10:41 AM The Kyser is more flexible and ready to move around in a hurry and do what needs doing to take care of business.
The Shubb is adjustable and adaptable but a bit slow to move to take up new positions.
I'd say the Kyster is more of a leftish radical activist, and the Shubbster is a middle-of-the road type, what we'd call liberal where I live.
A conservative capo would be one of those ones that classical guitarists use with a sort of screw clamp, or with a string and a peg. Though maybe a true American Conservative would scorn capos and use the finger. (English Conervatives wouldn't be playing a guitar anyway.)
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Dave Wynn Date: 06 Jan 01 - 10:59 AM CarolC...If you can't capo accordians how do you manage to play in keys like Eb , Bb and F.? I'm a conservative in the UK coz my master won't feed me unless I agree with him and I prefer the Shubb....in brass not steel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Richard Bridge Date: 06 Jan 01 - 06:33 PM English conservatives do play guitar. Well, TOny Blair does, and that's close enough. The newspaper view over here is that the belief that the second amendment authorises all and sundry in the USA to carry rifles, pistols, and other firearms is a misinterpretation. And most other (major european) countries I think prohibit the carrying of knives with blades over a certain length, and other "offensive weapons". And could we perhaps start to think about other things in the left-right divide - like the right to unionise or strike, to a living wage, a social security system that permits a person to live a civilised life, proper national health service, all things stolen from the people by that lunatic Thatcher and sometimes sought to be justified by the new wave economic theorists by reference to the recent US boom - that now appears to be turning into an implosion. DO these things and the eventual success of Keynesians in taming the great recession teach us anything? Will respect for continuity in Japan make that the first economy to lead the world out of the economic shadows that seem to be falling? Why does the USA with less than 20% of the wold's population think itself entitled on economic grounds to produce 80% of the world's greenhouse gases when the hole in the ozone layer will lead to the inundation of how many percent of the world's dry land? Why shoud WIPO feel entitled to dictate economic and social policy outside the USA? Etcetera. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: CarolC Date: 06 Jan 01 - 06:58 PM Spot the Dog, you use the little black keys, just like a piano. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: Dave Wynn Date: 06 Jan 01 - 07:10 PM CarolC Cheat Cheat .....you are a musician....and thats cheating.....course we all know that musicians can do that kind of thing...But fancy admitting it.....Shame on you. Decent law abiding folksingers don't mess with those dots and lines thing...No good will come of it my grandad said and he sang with the Spinners.....(or was it the he met them once?).. Spot (the extremely trad and bad musician) :-) aye ..and proud of it I tell you....! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Conservative Cavalry, Continued From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Jan 01 - 07:15 PM No, Tony Blair is an American style Democrat, which make him a "Liberal" in transatlantic-speak.
The other question of course is, if you use a Kyser, do have have it pointing towards you or away - I go for away from me, because that way I can use my right hand to move it and I find that's quicker. But does that have a political implication?
I think Richard's figures aren't quite right - we had a thread about petrol (gas) and forth, and I thinki the figure for CO2 anyway for the States is about 24% - which is still pretty high, because America is nowhere near 20% of the world's population.
Any genuine conservative of course ought to be sttrongly against pollution. The label has been hi-jacked by people with very strange and totally non-conservative attitudes on both sides of the Atlantic. |