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Michael in Swansea 13 Jan 01 - 07:23 AM
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Subject: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 13 Jan 01 - 07:23 AM

This isn't a music request but can anyone help please?
A friend of mine,(female), has been looking for a video of the original French version of "La Cage Aux Folles" for a couple of years. Apparently one of the U.S. film companies bought the rights to it and released a crap English version called "The Birdcage". I've searched the 'net and have found it available in the U.S. but of course it's in NTSC format which don't work very well with our PAL machines this side of the pond.
She said if it doesn't matter if it has English sub titles as long as it is the French version.
I have to go now, won't be back on line until Monday.
Have a nice weekend everyone.

Mike


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: GUEST,Greyeyes (at work)
Date: 13 Jan 01 - 08:37 AM

I buy videos for a big central library in the UK and our suppliers have it listed as "to be reissued later". They are one of the bigger AV wholesalers in England so if they don't have it you can assume it's unavailable anywhere. Some places specialise in tracking down unavailable videos for a price, you could try one of them, or just wait for it to be re-released, which it almost certainly will eventually. It's not available on DVD either.

"The Birdcage", although americanised, and inferior to the original, was far from crap. Much of it was painfully funny. (IMHO)


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Jan 01 - 04:35 PM

La Cage Aux Folles was one of the funniest movies ever made; if you find it, let us know, I'd like a copy too!

-Mrr, who never bothered to see The Birdcage but might reconsider...


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 01:22 AM

I dunno - I suppose the Conventional Wisdom dictates that any remake of any classic film is "crap," but I thought The Birdcage was a good movie. No, it wasn't La Cage Aux Folles, but it still was very entertaining. As far as I can determine, La Cage Aux Folles is not available for sale.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Greyeyes
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 04:35 PM

If it comes up on any of my "new releases" lists in the next few months I'll try & remember to refresh this thread.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 04:27 AM

Greyeyes

Thank you, if you remember I'll be eternally grateful. Would you have copies for sale then or being a library only on loan / rent? I shouldn't have made that remark about The Birdcage being "crap". I have not seen either film so I'm not qualified to pass judgement. That was Annette's verdict.
Humble apologies to all offended

Mike


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: SeanM
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 04:40 AM

I'll back up the assessment that "The Birdcage" isn't 'crap'. It's NOT the original, but considering that direct exact remakes of original films are usually abnormally horrid (didja see what they did to 'Psycho'? Didja?), that's probably a good thing.

Robin Williams... Nathan Lane... same film... as lovers... that alone was worth the rental.

M


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Grab
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 09:58 AM

Birdcage was worth the money for Robin Williams - a damn fine actor when he wants to be.

La Cage aux Folles was on TV last year - doubt anyone will still have tapes of it though.

Grab.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 10:45 AM

Grab,

I was hoping someone might have taped it.

Mike


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 12:23 PM

"The Bird Cage" was nowhere as good as "La Cage aux Folles."

I originally saw the film in French with English subtitles, but when it came time to buy it for our specialty video rental shop (foreign, classic, independent) we found it was only available on video dubbed, which is by far inferior to subtitling. Besides, the first time I saw it I wouldn't have been able to follow the story line without subtitles because the whole theatre was laughing too loudly!

Bat Goddess


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 01:02 PM

I've never seen the original, so I can't compare. The Robin Williams/Nathan Lane one was hilarious, though.

Unless I'm crazy, which is a distinct possibility, there was an English version in addition to the French and American ones.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Greyeyes
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 03:33 PM

Michael, you would only be able to rent it from a library, but I should be able to provide information about the distributor, manufacturers serial no. price etc. Any good sell-thru video retailer should be able to supply it to buy with that info.

Paul


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: rabbitrunning
Date: 15 Jan 01 - 11:34 PM

Also keep an eye open for videostores going out of business in your area. West Coast Video management messed up royally, so all of the Massachusetts stores (at least) are being closed, and the stock sold off. They had excellent foreign film collections, too.

*Sigh*...

Blockbuster just ain't the same thing...


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 01:32 PM

Keep us all posted - and I wonder (nefarious me) if it isn't the American film company (who'd lose money on The Birdcage, apparently, since those who have seen both liked the original better - although I completely agree with the above take on remakes!) who are keeping La Cage Aux Folles out of video stores?


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: NightWing
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 05:03 PM

Seen both the French original (subtitled AND dubbed, er, once each, that is) and The Birdcage. The original is much funnier, but I have to go along with the several who agreed that Birdcage is an excellent flick. Lots of fun! (Just saw it over the holidays this winter.)

But I have to also agree with whoever else said there's an English version of it too. Don't remember anything about it; never seen it. But I'm about 98% sure that it did indeed exist.

BB,
NightWing


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Greyeyes
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 05:05 PM

I'll do some research at work tomorrow, but it's a new one on me.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Greyeyes
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 05:09 PM

It's just struck me, could the English version you're thinking of be a stage production of the musical, filmed and released on video?


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Snuffy
Date: 16 Jan 01 - 08:14 PM

I know there certainly was an English stage version with Dennis Quilley(?) in the Robin Williams part. But I don't know if its ever been available on film or video.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 04:15 AM

Couldn't access the 'Cat at all yesterday.

Paul, video libraries have been tried but to no avail, they've only got The Birdacge. Thanks for the thought anyway.

Rabbitrunning, thanks for that suggestion. If Annette lived in the US she'd have no problem getting a copy, unless of course the suppliers are telling porkies. As I said in my original post, I've searched the 'net and have seen it available from US suppliers but only in NTSC format, this side of the pond we use PAL.

Once again, thanks everyone.

Mike


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Greyeyes
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 04:52 PM

Can't find any trace of an English version, I'm sure there's never been a big screen English version, so I can only assume it was a video of a stage or TV version, my sources aren't retrospective so I can't check this I'm afraid, but I'll keep my eyes open.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 08:02 PM

Aren't there any Mudcatters in France? I know there have been in the past, because I remember a thread with them lamenting the lack of folk clubs where there was any cahnce to sing a song. But I can't rememberanything further, becaue I'm sure it'll still be available in France.

I only watched about ten minuts of the American version - maybe if I hadn't seen Cage I'd have stuck with it.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 01 - 08:21 PM

I just remembered the Mudcat Locator - two Mudcatters identified as living in FRance, Normandy: Jo Taylor Paris: jeremie.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 12:21 AM

OK, I've conferred with my cinephile friend who knows both movies and me, and he says while TheB is a good, solidly entertaining, funny movie, LaCaF would blow it away FOR ME by being rollickly funny throughout by being not only a funny movie but oh so French - half of what was so funny was the use of feminine gender declensions (sp? I only did grammar in French, even of English) for the gay men but not the straight ones, and stuff like that. I can completely see how you could not hear the dialogue for the laughing, and be grateful for the subtitles - but then if you don't hear the dialogue, you still might not know what they were laughing about!

Anyway, if I approach it as an American gay comedy, instead as of a remake of laCaF, I'll probably enjoy it, so I might try to see it after all...


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 08:50 AM

McG, good thinking. France. A French retailer not on the 'net. Now, who do I know in France?


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 09:40 AM

Only thing is, do the French have the same video system? I think they do, but best to check.

And I just checked with Amazon in France, and they stock it in VHS - ,a href="http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/402-0116274-6697716">here


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 09:42 AM

In blue clicky form: La Cage Aux Folles


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 09:45 AM

That link doesn't work! But if you go in through the link at the top of the Mudcat, and scroll down to the bottom you find their international sites bar, and then just go to Amazon France, and use their search engine. Dispatched within 24 hours they say.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Snuffy
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 12:36 PM

French tv used to work on SECAM not PAL which britain & Germany had (and still have). Don't know if they've converted in the last 20 years.


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 01 - 03:55 PM

Well, a TV card I've got on my computer has a setting choice for different countries when you want to tune it in - and for France it shows PAL, the same as for the UK. But it might be best to check before ordering - I'm sure there's somewhere on the net with all that stuff.

And I see that Amazon.fr have a section explaining about international ordering, and there shouldn't be any hassles with that (so long as they don't run it through some bomb check that de-magnetises it en route - and if they mark what it is on the box that shouldn't happen.)


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 20 Jan 01 - 07:36 AM

McG, thanks again. I checked with Amazon France and they have it in SECAM only.
Looks as though Annette's going to have to emigrate.
Once again thanks anyway.

Mike


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Subject: RE: Help: La Cage Aux Folles
From: Michael in Swansea
Date: 17 Mar 01 - 06:46 AM

EUREKA !!!

A 'net auction site by the name of eBay had one VHS PAL version for sale and I was the only bidder at the reserve price of £7.99 (plus £2 p+p).
Annette was extremely pleased to finally have a copy, not pleased enough for a bit of nookie, but she did say she'd make me a copy
Anyway, she asked me to pass on her thanks to the 'Cat for all the interest taken in the search. So on behalf of Annette, and myself, THANK YOU ALL.

Mike


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