Steve Earle sees a friend killed

Subject: RE: Steve Earle sees a friend killed
From: kendall
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 10:04 AM

I lived with a therapist for most of 17 years, have been associated with many other therapists and psychologists, and they all say the same thing..they can not be rehabilitated. They are what they are. period. My opinion is backed up by countless years of such associations. I am not a therapist, therefore, I cant know of my OWN knowledge. Now, I wasn't with Columbus either, but, I have reason to believe the world is round.

Subject: RE: Steve Earle sees a friend killed
From: Pseudolus
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 10:26 AM

I do find it interesting that the "answer" to the problem in a lot of people's minds is to make a life sentence truly a life sentence. Few if any have offered a solution to the problem that all of those additional "lifers" would create. The financial burden, the space problem, and the possibility that the real murderer could potentially escape and do again what he/she is spending time in jail for. How many of us are alive today because the death penalty kept a murderer from killing again. We'll never know. The issue of having someone go to their death for a crime they didn't commit? I wish I had the answer for that. I agree that if you kill none of them you can't kill an innocent person. But how many innocent "persons" wil die at the hands of a repeat murderer? It's my humble opinion that if we decide we can solve the problem be making life mean life, then we are all being a bit naive.

Frank

Subject: RE: Steve Earle sees a friend killed
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jan 01 - 10:45 AM

Have a look at what happens in other countries. You don't have to invent the wheel. America is out on a limb on this - that in itself doesn't mean it has to be wrong, but it does mean it owes it to itself to look seriously at why so many other countries have turned their back on these "solutions", and seem to get along at least as well.

Where the death penalty is in operation the murder-rate is not lower, but if anything higher. That may sound crzy, but a lot of murder is done by crazy people. The deterrant effect seems to be outweighed by the brutalising and glamorising effect. There have always been people to whom the idea of getting executed is a turn-on rather than a deterrent. "Top of the world Ma!"

Subject: RE: Steve Earle sees a friend killed
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 05:27 PM

While the story in this article from The Pilot, the news organ of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston,
might merit its own thread,
there is enough of a connection to
this existing thread, about
Steve Earle and his friendship with Jonathan Nobles,
to append the story here in a post.

Those who include intercessory prayer in their beliefs, such as the Roman Catholic Lay Dominican volunteers introduced by this article,
will tell you that they believe that
Jonathan Nobles, after death, interceded in spirit
for the men still living in prison,
that these men might benefit as he did from a changed life.

Because I used to know the chaplains who worked at MCI Norfolk,
which in another century was called
the Norfolk Prison Colony, in Massachusetts,
I was their guest on two Sundays when they met with
the professed Lay Dominicans who were inmates inside the prison.

I had never been inside a prison before.
In this post-electronic day and age,
MCI Norfolk is considered medium-security, as it is an old facility
and could only be modernized so far
without tearing the place down and starting over.
When the Norfolk Prison was built, there was no electronic technology;
and it was built to be maximum-security in the days before hi-tech security.

Thus, MCI Norfolk has a series of walls within walls;
a 'trap' into which all visitors and guests must stand while a security guard,
viewing the 'trap' from a secure position above,
shuts one door, leaves you inside for a minute or two,
then slowly opens another door;
and multiple checkpoints. Everyone is frisked,
and passes through an electronic search feature,
I forget what you call the things.
I had to take the metal barrette out of my hair
and leave it 'outside' because it would have tripped the electronics.

It was scary as anything being inside,
and I didn't even see the 'pods', where the prisoners are housed;
what I saw was the inmate's communal activity center, where they attend worship services or small group meetings.
I could not breathe freely until I was back 'outside' again,
a few hours later.

The chaplains whom I personally knew are both retired now,
and younger ministers serve in their place;
I have no recent news of
this chapter of the Lay Dominican Fraternity,
and you can see that this article is years old.
But I share it with you
for what benefit it may offer you.

And:
no, I am not aware of
Steve Earle knows about what transpired here.