Origins: Blooming Caroline of Edinburgh Town

Subject: Caroline of Edinburg Town
From: Les B
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 12:58 AM

Can anyone point me to sheet music or a midi of the tune "Caroline of Edinburg Town" (or"Edinboro") ?

I looked at Levy's Sheet music and several other sites but couldn't find it. It seems to be the air of choice for a number of other old songs. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Caroline of Edinburg Town
From: GUEST,Bun
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 06:04 AM

Cant do a clicky

http://www.smsu.edu/folksong/maxhunter/0300/

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Caroline of Edinburg Town
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 08:42 AM

That's a nice melody at the  Max Hunter Collection  that Bun pointed to:  

Problem is, Caroline has more than one tune associated with it.  There are two other versions in the database here:

Blooming Caroline of Edinburgh  A version from Sam Henry's Songs of the People, with midi of the tune.
Caroline of Edinburgh  An American version from The New Green Mountain Songster; with midi of the tune and another from Huntington's Songs the Whalemen Sang.

I'm guessing, though, that the tune you want is the one often called  Come All You Tramps and Hawkers.  There's a midi of that here:  Paddy West.

You can see staff notation for it at the  Digital Tradition Mirror Site:

Paddy West  Staff for the two DT versions of Caroline can be seen there, too.

Malcolm

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Caroline of Edinburg Town
From: Noreen
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:54 AM

Crumbs, Malcolm... ! :0)

I've only ever heard it sung to one tune (by various people), and none of these tunes are it...

The tune CAROEDN2 from Sam Henry's Songs of thre People is the nearest (also similar to 'the Flower of Sweet Strabane', which I'd not realised before) but the first part is quite different. I can do the dots and send it MMario to add another version, and I'll email it to you Les, if you like- not today though.

Noreen

Subject: Caroline of Edinburgh Town ?
From: GUEST,Les B
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 03:59 PM

I thought I'd sent this last night from home, but it didn't show up, so here goes again !

Can anyone point me to online sheet music or a sound file of the tune "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (Sometimes 'Edinboro')??

It seems to be referenced as a tune for a number of other old songs. Or can you name another better-known song that uses it as a tune? Thanks for the help.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Caroline of Edinburg Town
From: GUEST,Les B
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 04:04 PM

Thanks much, fellow Mudcatters - this place is a true treasure !! I'll investigate all these new leads.

I didn't find this reply until just now -- after foolishly starting another thread with same query.

Noreen - let me see what I find first, thanks.

Please Joe or other computer boffin, remove the duplicate.

Subject: RE: Help: Caroline of Edinburgh Town ?
From: Zebedee
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 05:53 PM

A search a JC's ABC Tune Finder found this copy of the sheet music.

The links at the bottom of the page also give the tune in various other formats including midi.

Ed

Subject: RE: Help: Caroline of Edinburgh Town ?
From: Noreen
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 06:50 AM

It did show up, Les- here is a link to your first request thread: Blooming Caroline

Subject: Origins: Blooming Caroline of Edinburgh Town
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 02:13 PM

The Traditional Ballad Index has quite a lengthy entry on this song:

Caroline of Edinborough Town [Laws P27]

DESCRIPTION: Caroline's parents do not approve of her suitor Henry, so the two of them run off to London to be married. It is not long before her husband grows sick of her, abuses her, and goes off to sea. After some wandering, she drowns herself in the sea
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: before 1839 (broadside, Bodleian Harding B 11(3065))
KEYWORDS: courting elopement abuse abandonment separation suicide
FOUND IN: US(Ap,MA,MW,NE,SE,So) Britain(England(South),Scotland(Aber)) Canada(Mar,Newf) Ireland
REFERENCES (25 citations):
Laws P27, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (Laws gives a broadside text on pp. 91-92 of ABFBB)
Greig #70, p. 1, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town"; Greig #72, p. 2, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (1 text plus 1 fragment)
GreigDuncan6 1151, "Caroline o' Edinburgh Toon" (9 texts, 5 tunes)
Wiltshire-WSRO Mi 543, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (1 text)
Randolph 50, "Caroline of Edinborough Town" (2 texts, 2 tunes)
Eddy 59, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (1 text)
Gardner/Chickering 13, "Caroline of Edinburg (sic.) Town" (1 text)
Dean, p. 53, "Caroline of Edinburg Town" (1 text)
Linscott, pp. 183-185, "Caroline of Edinboro Town" (1 text, 1 tune)
SharpAp 69, "Caroline of Edinboro' Town" (1 fragment, 1 tune)
Lehr/Best 16, "Caroline from Edinboro Town" (1 text, 1 tune)
Mackenzie 28, "Caroline of Edinboro Town" (1 text)
Creighton-Maritime, pp. 99-100, "Caroline of Edinborough Town" (1 text, 1 tune)
SHenry H148, pp. 411-412, "Blooming Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (1 text, 1 tune)
Morton-Maguire 28, pp. 70-71,115,167-168, "Blooming Caroline from Edinburgh Town" (1 text, 1 tune)
JHCox 112, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (1 text plus mention of 1 more)
JHCoxIIA, #19, pp. 81-82, "Fair Caroline" (1 text, 1 tune)
Huntington-Whalemen, pp. 137-141, "Lovely Caroline" (1 text plus portions of another, 1 tune)
BrownII 124, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (1 text plus 1 excerpt)
Chappell-FSRA 51, "Henry Was a High-Learnt Man" (1 text, in which "Edinborough" becomes "Winton Goldburg"!)
Hudson 31, pp. 143-145, "Edinburgh Town" (1 text)
Ord, pp. 186-187, "Blooming Caroline o' Edinburgh Town" (1 text)
MacSeegTrav 51, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (1 text, 1 tune)
Munnelly/Deasy-Lenihan 29, "Edinburgh Town" (1 text, 1 tune)
DT 342, CAROEDIN* CAROEDN2*
Roud #398
RECORDINGS:
Charles Ingenthron, "Caroline of Edinboro' Town" (AFS; on LC14)
Tom Lenihan, "Caroline of Edinburgh Town" (on IRClare01)
BROADSIDES:
Bodleian, Harding B 11(3065), "Poor Caroline of Edinburgh Town," J. Catnach (London), 1813-1838; also Harding B 11(3063), Harding B 16(207b), Harding B 11(3064), "Poor Caroline of Edinburgh Town"; Harding B 11(4395), Firth c.12(183), Harding B 11(1208), "Poor Caroline of Edinboro' Town"; Harding B 11(544), "Caroline o' Embro' Town"; Firth b.26(371), "Caroline of Edinboro' Town"; Firth c.26(276)[some lines illegible], Firth c.26(48), "Caroline of Edinbro' Town"; Johnson Ballads 2148a, "Carroline of Edinborough Town"
NLScotland, APS.3.96.25, "Carroline of Edinborough Town," P Brereton (Dublin), c.1865
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "Crossing the Plains" (tune)
File: LP27

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