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Subject: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,jofield
Date: 07 Feb 01 - 08:11 PM

Howdy all. Long time no write. A group I pick with over in Paris have discovered a fiddle tune called "Big Sciota". I listened to a rendition on the Web by something called Rhythm Exchange. The tune doesn't do much for me -- no blues in it. Anyways, my French "copins" are wondering if anyone has any information about the tune. They are under the impression that Sciota refers to the town in Pennsylvania and that there is a river of the same name nearby. They also allude to a connection with the Iroquois indians. Anyone able to shed further light on this?


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: jofield
Date: 07 Feb 01 - 10:43 PM

OK, my cookie is active, and I feel much better.

So...I have since discovered that there is a Sciota River in or near Cincinatti, Ohio, and that the word means "deer" in Iroquois. There also seems to be some connection between the name Sciota and the Mormon church. Anyone care to relate these shards of info to the tune?


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Feb 01 - 10:48 PM

Well, besides Ohio, the best well known Sciota is in PA, but there is also a township in IL called Sciota, and IL is where the Mormans began their migration to Utah from....(I think)


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Feb 01 - 11:03 PM

Living basically on the Scioto River, I can vouch for the fact it runs through Ohio and has some beautiful scenery and some really awful spots as well. It is west of me here and joins with the Olentangy in Columbus. The river bisects the southern half of the state (E/W) and enters the Ohio at Portsmouth.

I think the name is actually Mingo, an Iroquois tribe that lived along the Ohio and Scioto Rivers whose most famous chief was Logan and tried for years to maintain a peace.

Sorry, not much other info for you from here in Ohio where we are "eat up" with Indian names for rivers.....Tuscarawas, Muskingum, Olentangy, Scioto, Mohican, Ho-Hocking, Ohio................

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:42 AM

Spaw, how is 'Sciota' pronounced? We play the tune but no three of us pronounce it the same. Would you pretty please give us a phonetic hint? Thanks.

Eb


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Feb 01 - 01:55 AM

Finally remembered the town in IL that the Mormons left from, it was Navoo, or Nauvoo.........don't know what it has to do with Sciota yet, tho.


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Feb 01 - 05:02 AM

Ebbie, the word here is spelled S-C-I-O-T-O .....with an O on the end, so it maybe different. Oddly enough, the word is pronounced as the O as "uh".....Anyway, its pronounced sy-OH-tuh (emphasis on the middle OH) with the c being silent (sy or sigh for "sci"... as in science)

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 01 - 12:26 PM

Thanks, Spaw.

Eb


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,Les B
Date: 08 Feb 01 - 04:26 PM

From "Ceolas - fiddler's companion" site (sorry too lazy to figure out blue clicky)

BIG SCIOTY/SCIOTA, THE. Old-Time, Breakdown. USA, West Virginia. G Major. Standard. AABB. A popular tune in the old-timey revival repertoire. It is named for the Scioto/Sciota River, which flows through Ohio and emptys into the Ohio River. The source for most of the versions, Marlinton, West Virginia, fiddler Burl Hammons, evidently played different versions of the tune (or perhaps it was a tune in evolution), for recordings of his playing by different collectors reveal variations of the melody. These different versions have influenced different revival bands -- contrast, for example, the Red Clay Rambler's version (learned from a 1970 field recording of Hammons by Malcolm Owen, Blanton Owen and Bert Levy) with versions based on the Alan Jabbour-collected recording of Burl which appears on the Library of Congress recording "The Hammons Family." See John Salyer's "Kentucky Winder" for a Magoffin County, Ky., variant of "Big Sciota." Sources for notated versions: Burl Hammonds (Marlinton, West Virginia) via Ship in the Clouds (Indiana) [Brody]; Zenith String Band (Connecticut) [Carlin]; Bill Christopherson & Tom Phillips [Phillips]. Brody (Fiddler's Fakebook), 1983; pg. 41. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes, Vol. 1), 1994; pg. 24. Bay 209, "The Gypsy Gyppo String Band" (1977. Learned from Burl Hammons via Jenny Cleland {of the Highwoods Stringband}). Carryon Records 005, "The Renegades" (1993). Flying Fish, Red Clay Ramblers - "Stolen Love" (1975. Collected from Burl Hammons in 1970). Folkways 31062, Ship in the Clouds - "Old Time Instrumental Music" (1978). Green Linnet, "Pigtown Fling." Reed Island Ramblers - "Wolves in the Wood" (1997). Rounder 0018, Burl Hammonds - "Shaking Down the Acorns." Rounder 0132, Bob Carlin - "Fiddle Tunes for the Clawhammer Banjo" (1979). Wheatland Records, the Henrie Brothers - "Wheatland Festival 1978." T:Big Scioty L:1/8 M:4/4 K:G |:DE|GA BG AGED|EDEF G2 ((3D/E/F/|G)ABG AGED|EDEF G2 ({DEF}G2)| GFGA Bc d2|e3 f e2 d2|BAGB AGEG|E G2 F G2:| |:z e|gfga gedg|egab a3 e|gfga gedc|Bdef e3 (e|e)fgf edBd|B e2 f e2 (e2|e)fgf edBd| B e2 f e2 A2|BAGB AGED|D {EF}G2 F G2:|

WE'LL ALL GO TO HEAVEN WHEN THE DEVIL GOES BLIND. Old-Time, Breakdown. G Major. Standard. Reminiscent of Burl Hammons' "Big Scioty" or John Salyer's "Kentucky Winders." Rounder 0421, Bruce Molsky - "Big Hoedown" (1997. From the 1930's Library of Congress recording {by Jean Thomas} of fiddler Ed Morrison of Breathitt County, Ky.).

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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: jofield
Date: 08 Feb 01 - 05:48 PM

Well, I was just about to humorously inquire if we could please get back to my original question when Les nailed it. I have e-mailed his post to my buddy in France. Merci bien, Les.


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: BanjoRay
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 05:09 AM

I heard someone singing some Lyrics to Big Scioto recently. Does anybody know them and where they came from?

Cheers
Ray


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 11:03 AM

Spaw,

With all due respect and deference to your answer, West Virginians tend to pronounce it sy-OH-tee.


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 11:11 AM

What can I say Russ......The WVA state bird is a fly. But I know you are probably right and I don't doubt you 'cause, as you know, in WVA they teach the the R's quite well......Readin', Ritin', and Route 33 to Ohio. (:<))

Ya' know I luvya Russ!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: masato sakurai
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 11:24 AM

"The Big Scioty" (sound clip) is on The Hammons Family: The Traditions of a West Virginia Family and Their Friends.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: mousethief
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 12:11 PM

I assume that's gaelic, and pronounced "bee sah"?

Alex


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 12:36 PM

Spaw,

The esteem is mutual.

I forgot to mention that the reason I added my comment is because if you suggest playing "Big sy-OH-tuh" in an old time jam the response will probably be "Do you mean Big sy-OH-tee?"


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,vincentbanjo
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 12:17 PM

Getting back to one of the original questions, I have ever only heard one person singing lyrics for the tune. And since his singing style is not easy to understand, I simply asked him what the lyrics are. Sung to the "a" part of the tune, they are:
Well I lived on the river all of my life
never knew nothing but sorry and strife
tomorrow's another day..
tomorrow's another day

well the river's wide and oh so deep
the banks are muddy and oh so steep
better not go at night...
better not go at night...

FYI - he told me that he also sings two other verses from time to time, but usually can only remember them while in the middle of the tune. So I will just have to wait until the next time he's playing it to catch what they are.    :)

Mike in Aspen


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 12:42 PM

The words I remember being sung to Big Scioto sounded a bit like:

"I was raised in Idaho
Where I come from I don't know"

And had lots of

"What'll we do with the baby-oh?"

Searching doesn't find anything, unfortunately.

Ray


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,nickp (cookieless)
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 01:16 PM

Ray's lyrics come from (via) Richie Stearns (Horse Flies) when he was in the Rnegades with James Leva, June Drucker and Carol Elizabeth Jones. A compilation of their now out of 'print' recordings (1993 & 1995) can be found as FRC605 from the Field Recorders Collective - www.fieldrecorder.com - and well worth every penny/cent (as are all of their catalogue.

If I get the time I'll listen to the lyrics and list them but it may not be for a few days so someone may be quicker.

They call it Big Scioti

Nick


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,nick again
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 01:17 PM

Needless to say that should have been 'Renegades'


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: open mike
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 04:17 PM

i posted this a couple of yours ago and it never showed up - trying again. searching on J C's tunefinder ( a marvelous reference site)
John Chambers occasionally posts on mudcat...

http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/tunefind?P=big+sciot&find=FIND&m=title&W=wide&limit=1000&thresh=5&V=1&fmt=single

i have always heard it called big Scioti like rhyming with coyote
sky oat tea, ki oat tea, .but i see now that the sky is silent...


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 06:48 PM

Thanks, Nick - that's great
Ray


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Apr 09 - 07:02 PM

Forgot about this thread but I want to apologize to any and all for the West Virginia jokes especially in light of the tornado laden band of storms that just passed through there. Lots of destruction and even the governor is homeless as one took out the Governor's Mansion in Charleston. I saw some pictures and the entire trailer park was flattened...................

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,nickp still cookieless coz I'm lazy..
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 02:21 PM

As far as I can make them out

(A's & B's of music)

A1
Born and raised in Idaho
Where I'm bound I don't know
You stay home with the baby-o
You stay home with the baby-o
A2
blank
blank
you stay home with the baby-o
You stay home with the baby-o

B1 & B2 no lyrics

When I come home from far away
You can go and I will stay
I will stay with the baby-o
I will stay with the baby-o
blank
blank
I will stay with the baby-o
I will stay with the baby-o


And for you I sing this song
(indistinct)
All about my baby-o
It's all about my baby-o
blank
blank
All about my baby-o
All about my baby-o

pattern changes
no lyrics for A

B1
What you gonna do with the baby-o
Where oh where did my baby go
blank
What you gona do with the baby-o
B2
blank

A bit hasty but I think I've got it right.


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 23 Apr 09 - 07:56 PM

Cheers, Nick


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: nickp
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 06:37 AM

I've emailed Richie and will pass on any response


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 03:04 PM

Spaw,

I an truly touched.

By the way, when I left WV I had to go east. Ohio had closed the border with WV.

Russ (Permanent GUEST and expat West Virginian)


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: John Hardly
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 03:07 PM

Spaw lives near the Big Sciota. The irony is that he's got a Tiny Scrota.


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,Jim Junker
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:47 PM

I have come across a great version of the Big Scioty that was video recorded at Clifftop 2009. It sounds like they are singing the words that nick p noted above.

Rachel Eddy (fiddle), Elizabeth Fitch (fiddle), Kristian Herner (banjo), Kevin Fitch (banjo uke), and Ashley Carder (guitar) play Big Scioty under a tarp while it rains at Clifftop 2009.

Big Scioty - Clifftop 2009 - In the rain


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Subject: RE: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,Erin
Date: 01 Sep 09 - 12:38 AM

Does anyone know the lyrics to Big Sciota by Old Crow Medicine Show? I think they are different from the versions previously submitted.


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Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 09 - 07:16 PM

Whyz people got put words to good tunes... fine with outem


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Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,CatMando
Date: 20 Oct 09 - 08:30 PM

What matters to me is that this great old song get some performance time.
Try it this way, folks.

Big Sciota

Born and raised in Ohio
Where I'm bound for I don't know
You stay home with the baby-o
You stay home with the baby-o
Repeat first A part X2
You stay home with the baby-o
You stay home with the baby-o

B1 & B2 no lyrics

When I come home from far away
You can go and I will stay
I will stay with the baby-o
I will stay with the baby-o
Repeat first A part X2
I will stay with the baby-o
I will stay with the baby-o

B1 & B2 no lyrics

The river's wide and oh so deep
The banks are muddy and oh so steep
Better not go at night-o...
Better not go at night-o...
Repeat first A part X2
Better not go at night-o...
Better not go at night-o...

Cordelle up in the pouring rain
Turn around go down again
All about my baby-o
It's all about my baby-o
Repeat first A part X2
All about my baby-o
It's all about my baby-o

Well I lived on the river all of my life
Never knew nothing but sorrow and strife
Tomorrow's another day-o
Tomorrow's another day-o
Repeat first A part X2
Tomorrow's another day-o
Tomorrow's another day-o
B1 & B2 no lyrics

What you gonna do with the baby-o
What you gonna do with the baby-o
Where oh where did my baby go
Where oh where did my baby go
Repeat first A part X2
What you gonna do with the baby-o
Where oh where did my baby go
Outro: B1 & B2 no lyrics


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Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota
From: nickp
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 06:06 AM

Hey CatMando, interesting set of lyrics. The extra ones got a source or are ones you've put together?

Nick


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Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 10:03 AM

"The West Virginia state bird is a fly."

Thanks, Spaw, for the good laugh. You are one in a million.


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Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,Catmando
Date: 21 Oct 09 - 07:07 PM

Nickp:

Pieced together from this thread and what I could make out of Jim Junker's lead to this YouTube bit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpXPD72hZis&feature=channel_page

Sings well, tells a story audiences like.


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Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota
From: nickp
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 04:14 AM

Thank you. I'll check him out.


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Subject: RE: lyr/Origins: Big Sciota
From: GUEST,Pickin' Slim
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 12:09 PM

The "c" is silent, so, like "sigh" + "oh" + "tah".


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