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GUEST,kendall 09 Feb 01 - 10:01 AM
GUEST,bflat 09 Feb 01 - 11:44 AM
Gypsy 09 Feb 01 - 03:38 PM
Sorcha 09 Feb 01 - 04:09 PM
catspaw49 09 Feb 01 - 04:17 PM
Cobble 09 Feb 01 - 06:37 PM
Kim Hughes 09 Feb 01 - 07:39 PM
katlaughing 09 Feb 01 - 07:53 PM
SINSULL 09 Feb 01 - 10:44 PM
Sorcha 09 Feb 01 - 10:53 PM
BK 10 Feb 01 - 12:11 AM
SINSULL 10 Feb 01 - 01:09 PM
GUEST,Mike 11 Feb 01 - 08:31 AM
The Beanster 11 Feb 01 - 04:25 PM
GUEST,kendall 11 Feb 01 - 04:39 PM
Greg F. 11 Feb 01 - 05:26 PM
Greg F. 11 Feb 01 - 05:28 PM
GUEST,kendall 11 Feb 01 - 05:33 PM
Mountain Dog 12 Feb 01 - 09:38 AM
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Subject: flying pets
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 10:01 AM

I'm thinking of taking a long trip, and, I hate driving. So, there are two things which are holding me back...putting my dog and my guitar on a plane. Please relate PERSONAL experiences regarding both.


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: GUEST,bflat
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 11:44 AM

Kendall, I've travelled with both and never had a problem. In advance of the flight I request space in the first class wardrobe for my guitar and have always been accomodated. Then when I get to the gate I review with the utmost deference my request, inasmuch as I don't normally fly first class. This usually works. There are well designed pet carriers for your dog available for purchase or maybe you can borrow one. A visit to the vet with a request for a mild tranquilizer for the comfort of the animal has been my choice. I have administered the tranquilizer prior to departure and my dog was fully recovered shortly after arrival. hope this helps.

Ellen


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: Gypsy
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 03:38 PM

IF your dog is a wee one, you can take on the plane with you,in passenger compartment. make certain that the carrier is one that fits under the seat. When i took kitty with me, had to be one of the first on the plane, cuz they only allowed two animals in the passenger compartment at a time. Check with your agent for pertinant details for your flight.


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 04:09 PM

(am I the only one that thought maybe kendall kept bats or something?) Larger dogs whose carriers will not fit under the seat MUST go in the pressurized baggage compartment, checked as baggage. The airlines will NOT ship dogs if the temperature is not within a certain range on both ends......

It is remotely possible that your dog could go to Tibuktu with lost luggage. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen, and I have known of dogs who landed and were off loaded at the wrong airport. Then, some kind soul has to water and walk your dog. The airlines are NOT responsible, it is usually an animal lover employee who just up and takes responsibility for the critter until it can be sent where it was supposed to be sent.......

Shipping dogs is a scary, tedious, expensive business. A lot of airlines won't even consider taking them anymore.


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 04:17 PM

Just as I refreshed and saw this, one of our cockatiels flew off my shoulder, so I thought, "How timely!"

I have flown with and shipped both dogs and cats with no problem. That doesn't mean you won't have one Kendall. Its a chancey kind of thing and I've always been very particular and made a pest of myself with the airline when doing it. The heat/pressure switch in the cockpit for the cargo hold is called the Dead Dog Switch because if its off, that's what you get.

Do it if you have to, but beat the hell out of the airline personnel to BE SURE they know you're on top of it. If there is any other way, I'd do it.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: Cobble
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 06:37 PM

I flew from Uk to Mobile via Atlanta with a dog. She was given a mild sedative before we boarded. She was checked in as baggage and collected by a porter. I was a little worried she might be put on the wrong plane so I asked the steward to check, they did. She did'nt seem to be effected by the flight, she was very perky when we arrived in Mobile and desperate for a pee, she had'nt done one for 10 hours. The bedding was still dry!!

Mrs C


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: Kim Hughes
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 07:39 PM

One good tip I got from the Vet when flying with my two cats was, test out the tranquilizer first. This was good advice because on a half dose, one cat went right to sleep, and the other became a mad woman, which would have been highly uncool in the airport. So when the day came, I knew to give her a full dose.

regards, Kim


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 07:53 PM

I flew from Casper, WY to Denver, CO to Hartford, CT with one dog, 2 birds, and 5 cats in the cargo hold. Another cat and the three little kids were in coach with me.

It was a big ordeal in that they'd told me the pets had to layover because it would be too hot for them to fly non-stop. They assured me we could see them during the 3 hour layover. When I got there, my pets were nowhere in sight and I was on the phone the whole 3 hours trying to find them.

Ya know the Big E, Kendall? Big expo, carnival, etc goes on in West Springfield every sept. THAT was when we flew into Hartford, busy, busy time! When we got there, my animals had been locked in the agent's office the entire time, as THEY took a direct flight, after we'd been told WE couldn't take a direct one because THEY couldn't.

Nevertheless, after over 15 hours, they were all okay, very glad to see us and they were safe.

I have, however, never flown with pets,again. I've now read too many horror stories one of which is in the latest Reader's Digest. That owner has lobbied Congress successfully in requiring baggage handlers to be more responsible.

Oh, yeah, in Denver, we had to collect them ALL, after our flight from Casper, and get them to our connection for Hartford. We found them going round and round on the luggage carousel where anyone could have grabbed them!

That was in 1983. My brother flew from Hartford to Casper in 1991 with two cats with no problems at all.

It was an adventure, but I didn't have a clue and would never have done it if I'd known what could have happened.

I am with Spaw...if there is any other way....

kat


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 10:44 PM

When I moved to Chicago with LuLu and Munch, LuLu was allowed on board but because of the "one pet to a cabin rule" Munch was checked. I was promised that she would be taken from the plane and kept in an office until I came for her. She wasn't. She was on the carousel which went in and out of the building into temperatures below zero. And some monstrous little boys thought it was fun to torment her as she went by. Their parents thought it was cute too. Never again. When I flew back, I showed up at the airport late, boarded the flight with both cats, and demanded they be kept on board. It was too late to check them so Munch flew First Class and LuLu coach. The first class passengers were thrilled with the growling, hissing and catawalling but we arrived safely together.


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Feb 01 - 10:53 PM

Kendall, bite the bullet and drive. Find "pet friendly" motels every 8 hours or so. If it's worth getting there, it's worth the drive. Me, I'd fly. Me and my "kids", we'd drive, no matter how far. Take breaks. Sleep overs. Consider it an adventure before the adventure.

If you are looking at "soon", like before the 12th of Feb, BEWARE!! The Westminister (NY) Dog Show starts then, and there will be hundreds of dogs on airplanes......and not all of them will get the attention they need.


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: BK
Date: 10 Feb 01 - 12:11 AM

As I've said before, I fly somewhat regularly w/a guitar always in a hard-shell case; all different sizes from the Baby Taylor to a Jumbo, & ALL, w/o exception, can easily go in a typical modern overhead storage compartment. So I haven't had to get it into the 1st class wardrobe (space for tall hanging things) in years, but I used to regularly do that w/my D-28, when I was a young Sailor, (& the overheads were smaller), & usually travelling in uniform; Back then, people were often very nice to clean-cut young Navy kid; (Actually the pretty young stewardesses almost always offerred to store it before I could ask.)

Now I'm an ugly old grey-bearded baldie-4-eyes & I worry more abt my Instruments. Generally if you put it into the narrow-side (2 seat) overhead, you may have to put your coat under it to tip it up, so you can easily close the door. If you use the wide (3 seat) side, even the Jumbo case can lay flat. (& even have a mandolin case laying flat next to it!)

One caveat: you GOTTA get on the plane early - means a seat number usually above 20 to 24, so you board first, to get to the overhead compartments BEFORE they are LOADED w/ifni knows how much junk. Otherwise you can't get a condom for a piss-ant up there.

As for animal travel; we flew our cats from Texas up to DC for my tour at Wally Wonderful. I'd say don't do it; it was cold & the hassells were spectacular, even w/my brother at the other end to get them to a vet fast...

I'd also advise you to drive! Get a CB, mount a properly tuned antenna & get a cell phone & treat it as an adventure..

Good luck, 'n let us know how it goes..

Cheers, BK


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Feb 01 - 01:09 PM

Addendum: On the flight back to NY, the plane dropped suddenly creating excruciating pain in the passengers' and cats' ears. I don't believe they would have survived in the cargo area. That's why Munch was screaming up in First Class.


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 11 Feb 01 - 08:31 AM

This is no help at all, but I think it's kinda weird: back in the 60s, my flying pal Howie (an F-102 pilot) was in the process of moving cross-country. Howie's wife didn't want to take their cat on a long car trip, so Howie arranged a cross-country flight in the F-102 (a single-engined, single-seat jet fighter). He smuggled the cat out to the flight line in his helmet bag, and away they went. Howie and the cat had to share an oxygen mask, so once they were airborne, Howie put the cat on his lap; every now and then he'd take off his mask and give the cat a shot of oxygen. He said the flight went just fine, and the cat was perfectly satisfied with the arrangement. This probably won't work with all cats; I'm sure mine would hog the oxygen and would probably want to fly the airplane, too...


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: The Beanster
Date: 11 Feb 01 - 04:25 PM

Kendall--

Don't do it. I am a part-time dog trainer/handler and my sister makes her living at it. We have known many people who've had dogs die on airplanes through the negligence of the carrier. The FAA does not keep any statistics on how many animals are injured or killed on airplanes (due to pressure and especially temperature problems), nor do individual airlines, so there is no way to know how widespread the problem is-- but if you ask around, you will probably find someone you know who has a horror story, so that says to me that it's much more common than the airlines would have you believe. Beware. If there is any other way to ship your pet, do it. Would people put children in the cargo hold? Same thing, if you love your pets as much as I love mine.

Also, in cargo it is extremely LOUD. It's not the same as in the cabin where we're nice and comfy. This causes some animals an enormous amount of fear and anxiety which is a cruel thing to put them through.

Like someone previously said, if s/he is small enough, they will allow the animal to stay under your seat in a carrier, but if your pet is too large for that, I'd forget the whole idea. Drive. It's a beautiful country. :)


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 11 Feb 01 - 04:39 PM

Well, that does it. Seamus weighs 80 pounds, and, if they harmed him I would be very difficult to deal with. Now, if they charge extra (and they do) how can they not be responsible? what are you getting for the extra charge?


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 01 - 05:26 PM

Rich thru deregulation, mergers & govt. subsidies. Next question?

"How can they not be responsible?" Oh, please!   :-)Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Feb 01 - 05:28 PM

Ooops, sorry- Brain Fart.

Above is what the Airlines are getting. What the consumer is getting, as always, is screwed.

Best, Greg


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 11 Feb 01 - 05:33 PM

In the words of the immortal Calvin Coolidge, "The business of America, is, business."


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 09:38 AM

Kendall,

Yea, and those chill, immoral words from Cal's cold lips echo still in that vast, hollow space between Dubya's ears e'en down unto this day...


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: kendall
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 11:21 AM

They still believe in the "trickle down" theory. The basis of which is: To feed the birds..just feed the horses.


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: The Beanster
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 10:03 PM

Kendall,

They charge you the extra money because Seamus is taking up cargo space and adding weight to the plane. And if an animal dies, they will pay you whatever the animal is "worth" (crass as that sounds), with a cap on the value of the animal, although I'm not sure if that cap is a uniform amount or if it varies from carrier to carrier. So they are "responsible" in that they'll pay you money for your loss. It's like if they smashed your guitar or your laptop--an animal, sadly, falls into the same category.

But really, I'm relieved you've decided not to go that route. Chances are, of course, nothing would happen but you never know--it definitely does happen--and if there's any other way, why risk it? You'd be a big bundle of nerves during the flight anyway, worrying about dear Seamus. (You'd be the one who'd need the sedative!) And as you know, doggies are wonderful--I'm sure he'd do the same for you. :)

And besides, he can stick his head out the window of the car and let his ears fly like the wind!


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Subject: RE: Help: flying pets
From: kendall
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 01:55 PM

Now, if I could just teach him to help with the driving...


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