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Subject: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Grab
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 11:55 AM

There's a Stanley Holloway monologue in the DT called Three ha'pence a foot, which has the lines, "So Sam put his tongue out at Noah, And Noah made long bacon at Sam." Does anyone know what "long bacon" means? I've searched all the slang/colloquial/dialect references online that I can find, and none of them have it listed. Can anyone help?

Cheers,

Grab.


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 12:14 PM

I remember year ago Bill Caddick said he thought it was "like this", and put his fingers in the corners of his mouth and pulled (sticking your tongue out is optional!). I don't know for certain, though. I'll see if I can find out.

Steve


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Les from Hull
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 12:25 PM

Yes, that's what I always thought. But aren't these actually Stanley Holloway/Marriott Edgar monologues. It would be nice to credit the writer.


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: bill\sables
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 12:39 PM

Three Ha'pence a Foot wes indeed written my Mariott Edgar in 1932


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Fiolar
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 12:58 PM

According to the Cassell Dictionary of Slang a "long bacon" is 20th century slang for making the gesture of "thumbing one's nose."


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: GUEST,Yorkie
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 02:07 PM

bill\sables is right. I have the "Stanley Holloway Monologues2 book, which says this was written by Marriott Edgar in 1932. (It' a great read!)


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Grab
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 02:16 PM

Cheers Fiolar, now I won't look as much of a tit if anyone asks me at the folk club. Looking a tit is by way of being compulsory anyway, but the extent is optional! :-)

Les: yeah, I found that out during my searching. Incidentally, I found 2 Stanley Holloway sites off Google, and both gave Sam's name as "Oglethwaite", not "Oswaldthwaite". Different versions? "Oswaldthwaite" certainly sounds a better Lancashire name though.

Grab.


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Greyeyes
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 02:23 PM

Surely Sam was from Yorkshire. In "Beat the retreat" he says "I'm British and Yorkshire bah gum, and she'd [his mam] beat the retreat on the seat of my pants if I beat the retreat on my drum." That's from memory so may not be accurate.


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Hollowfox
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 02:27 PM

When I last saw Tony Barrand perform this, he put a thumb to his nose, spread the fingers, touched the thumb of his other hand to the little finger of the first, stretched out the fingers of the second hand as well, and waggled the fingers that weren't being used as "anchors." Obviously, this takes longer to describe than to do.


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: LR Mole
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 03:12 PM

I believe this gesture is also referred to as "cocking a snook".True?


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Snuffy
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 07:34 PM

Sam Oglethwaite was in Bury (Lancs).


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Anglo
Date: 12 Feb 01 - 11:35 PM

Pray do not confuse Sam Oglethwaite of Bury with the Yorkshire Sam Small (the latter of "Sam, Pick up thy Musket" fame, and other military extravagances including the one quoted above).


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Noreen
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 12:49 AM

Don't know why Sam's name is changed to Oswaldthwaite in the DT- presumably just mis-hearing of Oglethwaite. Rest of t'words are fine.

Noreen

in Bury (you know, where black puddings is made)


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Greyeyes
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 02:44 AM

I stand corrected.


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Bugsy
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 04:19 AM

Hollowfox is correct. That is how one makes long bacon. But you also stick your tongue out.

CHeers

Bugsy

Whocoppedmanyathickearfordoingsame.


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Hollowfox
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 08:59 AM

Tony probably left that bit out as he was reciting the poem at the time. *g*


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: IanC
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 09:48 AM

Folks

Far as I'm aware, making "long bacon" is dropping your pants and showing your arse. Don't know about making faces - may be a polite way of doing it?

Cheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 12:48 PM

Of course it was a Yorkshire Sam beating a retreat, A Lacashire born Sam would never do such a thing. JohnB


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Jande
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 12:55 PM

LRMole: "cocking a snoot" is placing the thumb upside down against the nose and pressing the nose upwards until the nostrils show (while making a face or sticking out the tongue). I *think* that's a Cockney phrase. Anyone know for sure?

~ Jande


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Greyeyes
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 03:51 PM

JohnB, he didn't, that's the whole point of the monologue.


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: GUEST,Yorkie
Date: 13 Feb 01 - 06:15 PM

Greyeyes; pretty close - "And she'd beat the retreat on me trousers, If I were to beat the retreat on me drum" that's from Sam, Sam, Beat the Retreat ( by R.P.Weston and Bert Lee, 1931) Stanley Holloway wrote the first Sam Small monologue; Old Sam,in 1929, then 'Alt Who Goes There, in 1930, and One Each Apiece All Round in 1931. Sam small was a Yorkshireman

Grab; Sam Oglethwaite was a different fella, came from Bury 3 Ha'pence a Foot Reissued on Music For Pleasure 1114(33 1/3), 1975


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: Greyeyes
Date: 14 Feb 01 - 04:46 PM

Thanks Yorkie, actually I think mine scans better. :-)


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: GUEST,Yorkie
Date: 14 Feb 01 - 06:46 PM

Greyeyes; not if you say it in a drumming rhythm!


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Subject: RE: Help: Phrase in Stanley Holloway monologue
From: GUEST,Greyeyes
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 09:02 AM

I get it.


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