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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: GUEST,Ignoramus Date: 09 Apr 07 - 06:02 PM I owe you an apology "Giok"; you seem an honest unbiased guy. But how can a one prove that one has been discriminated against. Discrimination is always subtle and could be easily argued away as a person not being suitable for a job for one reason or another. The best way to prove that it happens is to look at the religious make-up of a company's employees, much the same way as one does with race and gender, and see if there is a large discepancy in unskilled jobs. Two firms in the Glasgow area stand out among the rest: one is a brewery and the other is a chemical plant. It is common knowledge amongst protestants and catholics in the pubs and clubs of this area who they are. Also, you're right, I should not have brought the football thing into a serious discussion about religious discrimination. For this I also apologise: these guys were fired up on cheap alcohol and had been at it all day. They are not representative of Scots protestants - many of my friends and relatives are protestant and Rangers' supporters. I too tend to be bigoted at times as you know! |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Mrrzy Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:14 PM 1 gender-neutral. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: John MacKenzie Date: 08 Apr 07 - 02:50 PM Thank god we cannot judge the actions of a country by the behaviour of the afficionados of a stupid game like football. If you are sure of you facts regarding the discrimination on the grounds of religion, then I suggest you take legal action, the mechanism exists to deal with your complaint. G. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: GUEST,Ignoramus Date: 08 Apr 07 - 02:38 PM Tell that to the UEFA committee, who are investigating Glasgow Rangers supporters (for asecond time. These fans went to Spain (Osasuna) and chanted "no Pope here" and "Fuck the Pope". They also sang "we're up to our knees in fenian blood" as they attacked the spanish supporters and 'screamed foul' when the Spanish police baton charged them back to civilisation. As for the assertion that there is no discrimination in Scottish industry, I have personally been told that I was unsuccessful for numerous jobs after they saw that I had gone to an RC school. This is not unusual in present day Scotland. The police force is more representative of the ethnic minorities than Scotttish catholics. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:50 AM It is illegal in the UK to discriminate against people on the grounds of race colour or creed, and large amounts of money have been paid out by employment tribunals as compensation to those so discriminated against. Do you think for one minute that with the prospect of large financial penalties for employers, and large payouts for complainants, that the courts wouldn't be bursting at the seams, with all those people you say are being discriminated against. Unfortunately, discrimination is a two way street, and both sides of the sectarian divide indulge in it. I know that each side take turns at trying to inhabit the moral high ground, but nothing changes really in the minds of those who perpetuate these myths and their attendant bigotry. I would guess that those who make these accusations don't live in the area, or possibly even the country, and get their information from partisan sources. The sectarian bigotry of today is miniscule compared to what it used to be, and it is getting better slowly. It is not helped by people throwing out wild accusations, nor by others recounting isolated personal experiences of yesteryear. Giok |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: GUEST,Glasgow Green Date: 06 Apr 07 - 02:13 PM Typical institutional bigot's reply: call everything that points to one's bigotry "rubbish" or, the great Scottish media invention, 'paranoia' and we 'troublemakers' will go away. Well we won't - were here to stay, so get used to it. In the words of the 60's protest: "The times they are a-changing". |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: John MacKenzie Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:56 AM Total rubbish ! |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: GUEST,JED Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:14 AM Too much institutionalised sectarian bigotry in Scotland. Many employers still have anti-catholic policies! It's now time to name and shame. No longer should we put up with the "token catholic" for appearnce sake. Scottish Beer Barons are among the worst offenders. Remove the prejudice - remove the barriers! |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: GUEST,Ignoramus Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:03 AM Well said!!! |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: GUEST,Glasgow Green Date: 05 Apr 07 - 05:56 PM Hi Nynia, I take it you grew up in nice safe, West of Scotland, Protestant town; went to a nice, well supplied Protestant school. You don't see yourself as a bigot, but by God you are - and the worst type: you don't even think you are one. I too grew up in a nice Protestant town, but I was a Catholic. As a child I was regularly called a "Fenian Bastard" long before I knew what either word meant, but I knew they hated me. I was regularly beaten up, coming from school, by older boys from the Protestant school. Even adults called me names when they saw my Celtic scarf. Don't dare talk about bigotry when you know nothing about it - have never suffered physically or mentally, from it. I support a team that were formed to looked after the poor Irish, who were treated far worse than I for their religion. We (Celtic) were formed to look after the under dog in society. Any time there was a pit disater or fishing boat lost, Glasgow Celtic were the first to raise funds for the relatives regardless of their religion. Always helping the under dog - the East End Jews, European and Commonwealth Immigrants. But still we are vilified by the Scottish,protestant media and establishment. There is great need in our time to get rid of the institutional sectarianism that plagues Scottish society. Rangers and Celtic never were the problem - they are both proud football teams. The real problem is the Scottish people's willingness to bury their collective heads in the sand and ignore the sectarian bigots who can ruin a 7 year-old girl,s First Holy Communion by screaming "Fenian Whore" and other obscenities. This crowd of thugs wore Rangers' colours and were off to an Orange Church Parade. What church would want this kind of scum as part of a congregation? Glasgow Rangers were not responsible for these morons - they are a proud club. This incident happened in Maryhill , Glasgow last May. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Fergie Date: 05 Apr 07 - 03:01 PM Yippee |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Fergie Date: 05 Apr 07 - 10:20 AM I like to see Celtic do well but I wouldn't call myself a supporter. I also think that this thread should be moved to the Bhullshit Section Fergus |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: GUEST,Sandra in USA Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:16 AM I know its not Mudcat Land, butthere's at least one Ghirl here! |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Brakn Date: 18 Feb 01 - 05:00 PM I do a few Celtic nights and about a third of those that come are protestant! Hail, Hail. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Jon Freeman Date: 18 Feb 01 - 04:53 PM Celtic FC Charter Jon |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Jimmy C Date: 18 Feb 01 - 02:20 PM nYNIA, Tony is right, never in it long history (since 1888) has the Celtic ever had a no-protestant policy, the Rangers however have but I don't think it's a policy today. The great Jock Stein was a non-catholic and he played for and later managed the Celtic. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Tony (home) in Sweden Date: 18 Feb 01 - 05:54 AM Sorry Nyinia, but Celtic have never had the policy on not signing a protestant player, RE your input to Antons request on the other thread "...if you know the history" and all that. Regarding my post on liking any team that beats the H*ns, that was pure banter, Christ my own brother's a H*N! This was not meant in any way to be a thread that promoted bigotry, and I sincerely hope that it doesn't. About "Lyric" having a ROI e-mail address: SO WHAT, I've a Swedish address! mvh Tony |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 01 - 06:31 PM ah, I had missed picking up on that, Nynia, but I guess I should have, given everything I did find. It's a logical conclusion, (if logical conclusions are relevant in religious disputes........) |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Nynia Date: 17 Feb 01 - 06:26 PM Hi Joe, Sorcha did a pretty good summary there. What was missed out was that Glasgow Celtic are from an Irish Catholic background, Glasgow Rangers from Protestant. These sectarian divisions have been with the clubs throughout their history. For many years Rangers wouldn'd sign a Catholic player and Celtic vice versa. At various times both clubs have made efforts to distance themselves from this problem, to varying degrees. I admit that Celtic may have made a greater effort in recent years. Ghirls is new terminology to me, Bhoys however, refers to both the players and supporters of Celtic F.C. The supporters should be able to tell you the history of the term, I presume it's something to do with Irish pronounciation but I may well be wrong on that, I'm just guessing. Nynia. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 01 - 06:11 PM Joe, from what I have found out looking for the song, bhoys is a term used for the team members of the Glasgow Celtics, whose arch rival is the Glasgow Rangers, both "football", ie, soccer teams. Bhoys and Ghirls is also used to denote fans of the Celtics. From what Nynia says, this is probably the biggest rivalry in sports. Huns is a derogatory name for the the Rangers.........I know that Soccer games can get really ugly, fan wise. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Feb 01 - 06:07 PM Well, I feel kinda stupid, which is a feeling I get rather often nowadays. I thought "Bhoy" and "Ghirl" were just somebody trying to be cute about asking how many malesd and how many females there were at Mudcat, one of a string of "How Many Mudcatters..." threads. But here I see it has something to do with football and ethnic bigotry. Could somebody explain it to this poor, innocent, uncosmopolitan soul from California? Wuzza "bhoy"? Wuzza "ghirl"? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Nynia Date: 17 Feb 01 - 05:51 PM Sorcha, one thing all the guy/girls will tell you is that, from your examples, you really "ain't seen nothing yet". Rangers/Celtic rivalry beats any inter-team rivalry anywhere in the world. Bill Shankly famously said that football isn't a matter of life and death, it's far more important than that. The Old Firm have taken even that to extremes. Fatalities linked to this rivalry are thankfully a lot less common these days, but are still far from unheard of. US Football and World Cup games are simply no comparison to make. Nynia. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 01 - 05:39 PM I know, Nyn, but I really think it is just "fan" stuff.....we don't know how many of them are really bigoted, and fans can get pretty rabid about their fave teams........I don't follow UK football (soccer) but I know US football fans can get ugly, and from what I have seen of World Soccer Cup matches, they can get REALLY ugly, fan-wise. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Nynia Date: 17 Feb 01 - 05:31 PM Sorcha, Tony suggests he's against bigotry, yet in his post 06:20 on the 16th he says, "Big Tim, I wouldn't want any bohy to be bigoted, In fact I would hope that they would cheer all the teams that beat the H*ns." How very un-bigoted of him to say so. I'm sure you'll agree it's the kind of comment we all love to read. Nynia. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Sorcha Date: 17 Feb 01 - 05:19 PM Nynia, I have no idea which of you is correct, but originally this was sort of a companion thread to a lyric request for a Celtics fans song. It was finally (!) answered by the Brand New Member, LYRIC, who posted the lyrics to Four Leaf Clover in the other thread. I wonder if Guest, Anton ever came back and got them? He didn't leave an e mail, that I could see. LYRIC is also offering to share other songs, if you noticed his (?) post above. Very good job, LYRIC, and I hope Anton finds his words. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Nynia Date: 17 Feb 01 - 05:13 PM How many of the above were bigoted????? Oh come on Tony. The reference to IRA chants is applicable to 90% of the Celtic support as would anti-Catholic chants be applicable to the same percentage of Rangers fans. Bhoys against bigotry was a fine idea, but has never been adequately persued. As a non Old Firm supporter (Stranraer) I can attest from personal first-hand experience that both are as bad as each other. Although it was only at Celtic Park that we had paper cups of Urine thrown over us. I see that Lyric has a ROI e-mail address, why does he support a Scottish team, perhaps he should be supporting his local Irish team. Nynia. |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Tony (home) in Sweden Date: 17 Feb 01 - 04:47 PM Nynia, I'm sorry if you're offended by the thread. The question was asked out of curiosity more than anything else. As for hearing "Celtic scum support" chanting Pro IRA chants at the match, this does not include all Celtic supporters, but alas there remains that small minority of F**kin' Arseholes that give the honest supporter the bad name. As for myself, being the product of an Irish Catholic father and a Scottish Protestant mother, I was brought up to respect people regardless of Race, Creed or Colour. It is something that has been instilled in me and I hope that I become successful in passing this down to MY children. In place now, and for the past few 5 yrs thanks to "Fergus the bunnet" bigotry is being stamped out at CP. Take a look at the songs and poems that have been listed by Lyric, How many of these are bigoted. The fourth and fifth entries should should be interesting to read! I disagree with neither Celtic or Rangers having nothing to do with Football or Religion. Religion will always be a factor because of how the clubs were founded, Brother Walfred et al. As for the football, well then again, the Teddy Bears haven't played much this season! mvh Tony Thanks Joe, much obliged. TC |
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Subject: RE: How Many BHOYS/GHIRLS From: Nynia Date: 17 Feb 01 - 03:12 PM May I remind you that just three days after the Omagh bombing in 1998, Celtic played Dundee in a game shown live across Europe on Sky Sports. All you could hear from the Celtic scum support throughout the match was sectarian Pro-IRA chants. What a humane testimony to the dead, they weren't even cold yet, thank you guys. Make no mistake Rangers are almost as bad. Neither team has anything to do with either football or religion. Why have you brought you bigotry to this website? Nynia. |
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: Big Tim Date: 17 Feb 01 - 03:13 AM Ray, how are both publications going. JMcL (Glasgow) aka Big Tim!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: pict Date: 16 Feb 01 - 07:00 PM Another Tim here. |
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: Tony (home) in Sweden Date: 16 Feb 01 - 06:20 PM Hail Hail Lyric. How can anyone add to that list? Mighty impressive, and thanks for posting the "Lyrics" to "The Four leaf clover"! Colwyn, I don't know if anything can stop the treble now. Two virtually in the bag (SPL & CIS)and we've The Pars tomorrow in the SC. Big Tim, I wouldn't want any bohy to be bigoted, In fact I would hope that they would cheer all the teams that beat the H*ns mvh Tony |
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: LYRIC Date: 16 Feb 01 - 05:46 PM Hail Hail fellow Bhoys and Ghirls, Not only am i a Bhoy but i am collecting Glasgow Celtic Songs & Poems, I would be willing to share my collection with whoever wants, likewise if anyone could add to my all ready extensive collection i would be very grateful, Hail Hail, lyric, Feel free to contact me by e-mail at raycelt@eircom.net 'MY COLLECTION OF GLASGOW CELTIC SONGS & POEMS
TITLE A POEM FOR ANDREAS
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: GUEST,colwyn dane Date: 16 Feb 01 - 12:07 PM Hi,
Exclude me in as I have been a distant follower since the last season of Jimmy McGrory's management.
I have got a signed copy of Charlie Tully's 1958 autobiography - but not for sale.
Now in a good position to a win the treble - I hope thats not the kiss of death.
Cheers,
Colwyn.
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: Big Tim Date: 16 Feb 01 - 10:48 AM Count me in, but only in a cultural identity sense not any any political or bigoted shape or form. Played at Parkhead in 1961, Maley Cup Final, we (St Augustine's, Glasgow) beat Lourdes, also of Glasgow. Mjallby rools!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: Mikey joe Date: 16 Feb 01 - 10:46 AM bhoy eile
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: Jimmy C Date: 16 Feb 01 - 10:42 AM 1 BHOY here - hva e been since birth Sure i'ts a grand ould team |
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Subject: RE: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: GUEST,Skarpi at work Date: 16 Feb 01 - 07:40 AM Hallo Tony, have recorded the song? All the best skarpi Iceland. |
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Subject: How Many 'BHOYS/GHIRLS' From: Tony (home) in Sweden Date: 16 Feb 01 - 07:08 AM In a recent thread, a guest wanted lyrics to a song sung at "Paradise"(Celtic park). After reading the replies, I wondered how many "BHOYS and GHIRLS" are out there in Mudcat Land? Hail Hail!! mvh Tony. curious HTML can cause problems in thread titles, so it's not allowed - even though Max uses it at times. Hope you don't mind that I cleared the HTML from the thread title, Tony. |
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