Help: The Foggy Dew: perfidious Albion?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 Feb 01 - 05:12 PM

PS--another sort of Irish flag is the Starry Plough. It is a blue field, with the Big Dipper/Ursa Major in white stars. Do check out the Flag Site clickied above, lots and lots of stuff about different Irish flags. Good site, Sara! I learned some stuff there.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Feb 01 - 01:53 PM

Blackcatter

We Irish rarely needed much inducement to go and fight for someone else! The overtures, in Napoleon's case, would hve been from the Irish side - helped, no doubt, by the presence of anumber of Irish in high ranks in the French Army.

Regards

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: Blackcatter
Date: 17 Feb 01 - 12:31 PM

Sorry, my "cookie" must of expired? The last note was from me.

pax yall

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 01 - 12:28 PM

And to tie it all in -

There was a certain support of Napoleon in Ireland during his, at first, successful fights against European countrys. I beleive that Napoleon even made overtures to the Irish in that he would grant them independence if he defeated Britain. To that point, quite a few Irish boys went off to fight with Napoleon's armies.

Of course that wasn't the first time Ireland's boys were lured into other people's fights and it certainly wasn't the last time.

Anyone who knows more - please feel free to correct me or add more info.

pax yall

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Feb 01 - 12:00 PM

Certainly, Napoleon used the term Albion Perfide; a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.  Due to long-standing rivalry, each nation considered the other to be treacherous.  I don't know if the expression pre-dates him, but it became a fairly standard jibe; rather out of fashion nowadays.

Malcolm

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 17 Feb 01 - 11:18 AM

"Perfidious Albion", or rather "Albion perfide" was what the French used to call England, which they regarded as an innately treacherous nation.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: Fergie
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 10:34 PM

Spot on Sorcha

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: GUEST,Sara
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 07:06 PM

Here's a great site on flags:

Click here

They give loads of info on Irish flags.

Enjoy!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: MartinRyan
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 05:29 PM

The Irish were not the first to label Albion as perfidious - and are unlikely to be the last!

Regards

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Foggy Dew
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 01:11 PM

"perfidious Albion reel" refers to the fact that faithless England could not believe the Irish were actually shooting back. England kept very few promises made to Ireland, therefore "perfidious" Albion is an old name for England. Reel as in stagger, not dance.

The ancient Irish flag was a gold harp on a GREEN backgroud.

Subject: Foggy Dew
From: GUEST,Diva
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 12:41 PM

In the song "The Foggy Dew" could anyone clarify the phrase made "Perfidious Abion" reel? Also on another tack - I was told that the ancient Irish flag was a harp on a blue background. Any information on that one?

Thanks Diva