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Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...

Ebbie 18 Feb 01 - 07:37 PM
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Subject: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 07:37 PM

Does anyone know the lyrics and some history on a fiddle tune/song I've heard done around town?

I suspect that it's in opposition to Abe Lincoln- for instance, some words are 'Old yaller dog came out of the wilderness'; another verse says 'Old Abe Lincoln came out of the wilderness, and the chorus is 'Brave boys died, brave boys died, brave boys died, down in Alabam.'

Who better to ask than the good ol' Cat?

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 08:38 PM

Here is Old Abe Came Out of the Wilderness:


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Subject: Lyr Add: OLD ABE CAME OUT OF THE WILDERNESS
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 08:39 PM

Here is OLD ABE CAME OUT OF THE WILDERNESS:

Old Abe Lincoln came out of the wilderness,
|: Out of the wilderness, :|
Old Abe Lincoln came out of the wilderness,
Many long years ago.

Chorus:
|: Many long years ago, :|
Old Abe Lincoln came out of the wilderness,
Many long years ago.

2. Old Jeff Davis tore down the government,
|: Tore down the government, :|
Old Jeff Davis tore down the government,
Many long years ago.
Chorus:

2. Old Jeff Davis tore down the government,
|: Tore down the government, :|
Old Jeff Davis tore down the government,
Many long years ago.
Chorus:

from: http://www.acronet.net/~robokopp/usa/oldabe.htm

Midi there, but tune is Old Gray Mare.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 08:39 PM

(not sure just how I did that........)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 09:01 PM

Thanks, Sorcha! But where did the augmented song come from, I wonder. And the song as given in the link doesn't have the words or tune for the "brave boys died" lines.

The site says the song was written in 1858. Obviously pro-Lincoln. I wonder if the further verses were added by someone in the south to put a different spin on it?

I just tried to call a local man who brought back the song from Pittsburgh PA a few years ago. Didn't reach him but I'll try again later.

Again, thank you.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Sorcha
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 09:23 PM

Sorry things got all snarked up.....here is verse 3:

3. But old Abe Lincoln built up a better one,
Built up a better one,
Built up a better one,
Old Abe Lincoln built up a better one,
Many long years ago.

chorus:

There is apparently a spiritual called "When I came out of the wilderness......." haven't found that, or your brave boys died. Still looking.


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Subject: Lyr Add: GO IN THE WILDERNESS
From: raredance
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 11:09 PM

This song is from "Slave songs of the United States" by Allen, Ware and Garrison first published in 1867 (reprinted once in 1929 and again in the 1960's by Oak Publications, the latter with upgraded musical arrangements) Essentially the same song was printed more recently in "Slave Songs" compiled by Jerry Silverman (Chelsea House 1994)

GO IN THE WILDERNESS

If you want to find Jesus, go in the wilderness,
Go in the wilderness, go in the wilderness,
Mournin' brudder, go in de wilderness,
I wait upon de Lord.

CH:
I wait upon de Lord, I wait upon de Lord,
I wait upon de Lord, my God, who take away de sin of the world.

You want to be a Christian, go in the wilderness,
Go in the wilderness, go in the wilderness,
Mournin' brudder, go in de wilderness,
I wait upon de Lord.

similarly:

You want to get religion....

If you spec' to be converted (connected)...

O weepin' Mary...

"Flicted sister...

Say, ain't you a member...

Half-done Christian....

Come backslider...

Baptist member....

O seek, brudder Bristol...

Jesus a waitin to meet you in de wilderness...

rich r


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Subject: Lyr Add: OLD ABE LINCOLN CAME OUT OF THE WILDERNES
From: Banjer
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 07:13 AM

From 'Ballads And Songs Of The Civil War' by Jerry Silverman

OLD ABE LINCOLN CAME OUT OF THE WILDERNESS

1. Old Abe Lincoln came out of the wilderness
Out of the wilderness
Out of the wilderness
Old Abe Lincoln came out of the wilderness
Many long years ago

(Chorus)
Many long years ago
Many long years ago
Old Abe Lincoln came out of the wilderness
Many long years ago
2. Old Jeff Davis tore down the government
Tore down the government
Tore down the government
Old Jeff Davis tore down the goverment
Many long years ago

(Chorus)

But Old Abe Lincoln built up a better one
built up a better one
built up a better one
But Old Abe Lincoln built up a better one
Many long years ago

(Chorus)

It says;
Words:Anonymous
Music:"Down In Alabam"(by J. Warner)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 01:01 PM

Banjer, from that it appears that the tune itself was called 'Down in Alabam'. I wonder if there is a bridge or chorus in it the way I learned it? Curiouser and curiouser.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 May 05 - 01:00 AM

"Down in Alabam' is now posted in thread 11138: Old Gray Mare


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 May 05 - 09:07 PM

Has anyone found a song sheet or reference to "Old Abe Lincoln Came Out of the Wilderness" that is contemporary with the Civil War?
I would be surprised if there isn't one, but I can't find it.

It is in "Songs of the Civil War" ed. by Irwin Silber; he may have a note about source.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Lighter
Date: 17 Mar 23 - 05:38 PM

Eighteen years later, I can report that nobody has uncovered a text of "Old Abe Lincoln Came Out of the Wilderness" earlier than that supplied by Carl Sandburg in "The American Songbag" (1927). Indeed, nobody's found a later text that doesn't derive from that one.

"Torchlight processions of Republicans," he tells us, "sang this in the summer and fall months of 1860."

There's just the one stanza. Nothing about Jeff Davis, who in 1860 was still a U.S. Senator and hadn't torn down the government. The two Davis stanzas originated with Hermes Nye on his 1954 album "Ballads of the Civil War."

Sandburg was born in Galesburg, Ill., in 1878. Presumably he heard the simple lyrics, to a very popular tune, from members of his parents' generation in Illinois.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brave boys died, down in Alabam...
From: Lighter
Date: 10 May 23 - 12:31 PM

Here's a unique earlier trace of stanza 1 only:

Julia Taft Bayne, "Willie and Tad Lincoln," St. Nicholas, (Feb., 1897), p. 281:

"When the boys were nearly ready to go before their 'audience' [at the White House], Tad began singing at the top of his voice, 'Old Abe Lincoln came out of the Wilderness.' ... 'We've got to sing that in the show!'"

Bayne's article is a first-person reminiscence (for a children's magazine) of a visit to the White House in April, 1861, when she was a little girl, and Tad Lincoln, the President's son, was eight.

It was widely reprinted in newspapers in 1897.


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