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Origins: Whiskey In The Jar

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GILGARRY MOUNTAIN (There's whiskey in the jar)
WHISKEY, YOU'RE THE DIVIL


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 10:25 AM

A ferret sent me this today...

https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/origins-whiskey-jar

Thought y'all might enjoy.

Also I just tried to look up Tequila in the Jar but just got some crap, not the song to which I referred lo these many posts ago.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Morgan42
Date: 22 Apr 18 - 10:06 PM

When I stumbled upon this thread and saw how long it was I very nearly skipped reading it. But I'm so glad I read the whole thing! Thanks to everyone who contributed! <3


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Subject: Lyr Add: THERE'S WHISKEY IN THE JAR (from LOC)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Apr 13 - 10:59 AM

From a broadside printed in New York, held by the Library of Congress:

No. 122.
THERE'S WHISKEY IN THE JAR.

I am a sporting fellow, I never yet was daunted,
Money in my pocket whenever it was wanted.
Robbing for gold, 'twas my own folly,
Sure I'd risk my life for you, my sporting Molly.

Rack fal de ra,
Rack fal de raddy, O,
Rack fal de raddy, O,
There's whiskey in the jar.

As I was crossing the mulberry mountain,
I met with Captain Kelly, his money he was counting,
At first I drew my pistol, then I drew my rapier,
Stand and deliver for I am your money-taker.

Rack fal de ra, &c.

He handed me twenty pounds—'twas a pretty penny-o,
I took it home to Molly, she said she'd ne'er desaive me,
I took it home to Molly, she said she'd ne'er desaive me,
But the devil's 'mongst the women for they never can be aisy

Rack fal de ra, &c.

I went into Molly's chamber for to take a slumber,
I went into Molly's chamber, not knowing of no danger,
When I was sleeping, its well she knew the matter,
The unloaded the pistols, and filled them full of water.

Rack fal de ra, &c.

Early the next morning between six and seven,
She house was surrounded--likewise with Captain Kelly,
I sprang for my pistols, being very much mistaken,
I fired off the water, and a prisoner I was taken.

Rack fal de ra, &c.

I have to little brothers enlisted in the army,
One of them's in Cork, the other's in Killarney.
If they were here to-night, I would be free and jolly,
I'd rather have them here to-night than you deceitful Molly.

Rack fal de ra, &c.

J. WRIGLEY, Publisher. of Songs, Ballad's, and Toy Books, Conversation, Age, and Small Playing Cards, Alphabet Wood Blocks, Valentines, Motto Verses, and Cut Motto Paper, &c. No. 27 Chatham Street. (OPPOSITE CITY HALL PARK) NEW YORK.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 11:55 PM

damn, I just realized how many similar threads on here were spooling into this garment! plenty of elaboration, eh? goodness.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 14 Mar 13 - 11:45 PM

From a yahoo Q n' A board. I was looking down this lengthy thread hoping to find an elaboration on the following:

Whack for my daddy-o, there's Whiskey in the jar-o!

I love that song, but what does that mean?

It's a bastardisation of the phrase "whack fol di daddy oh",which is a form of 'mouth music' which is an Irish form of scat singing,which is using sounds rather than actual words.Scat is popular in jazz using sounds like 'do be ooten doo' etc.Irish Mouth Music uses sounds like 'Diddly aye an dooten' and 'skittly aye dum do'
I know,sounds like a wind up,but I can assure you it's completely gen.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 01 Oct 11 - 08:29 AM

Perhaps the Captain Farrell referred to is this guy


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: MorwenEdhelwen1
Date: 30 Sep 11 - 11:37 PM

I listened to this song on a Dubliners "best of "album my dad has. Good song. Understatement probably, but it is great. BTW, "Mack The Knife" from The Threepenny Opera is one of my favourite songs, and I listened to WITJ because of the possible connection. I like that possible but unlikely connection between these two songs- that this was the inspiration for the betrayal scene in Beggar's Opera/Threepenny Opera).


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 03 May 11 - 03:33 PM

I found this depressing. I bought the Champions of Folly album off Roy when it first came out, And I read here that it was deleted years ago, and then i saw that was back in '97.

You can't help wondering, how much longer til i get deleted?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 11 - 04:23 PM

I'm a college student, writng a paper on "Whiskey in the Jar." Thanks guys, this thread has been an awesome resource.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHISKEY IN THE JAR (from The Dubliners)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 03:08 PM

The version I sing is from a recording by The Dubliners:

As I was going over the far famed Kerry mountains
I met with Captain Farrell and his money he was counting
I first produced me pistol and I then produced me rapier
Saying "Stand and deliver for you are a bold deceiver".

Chorus
Musha ring dumma do dumma da, whack fol the daddio
Whack fol the daddio, there's whiskey in the jar

I counted out his money and it made a pretty penny
I put it in me pocket and I took it home to Jenny
She sighed and she swore that she never would deceive me
But the devil take the women for they never can be easy

I went unto my chamber all for to take a slumber
I dreamt of gold and jewels and for sure it was no wonder
But Jenny drew me charges and she filled them up with water
And sent for Captain Farrell to be ready for the slaughter

'Twas early in the morning just before I rose to travel
Up comes a band of footmen and likewise Captain Farrell
I first produced me pistol for she'd stolen away me rapier
But I couldn't shoot the water so a prisoner I was taken

Now there's some take delight in the carriages a-rolling
And others take delight in the hurling and the bowling
But I take delight in the juice of the barley
And courting pretty fair maids in the morning bright and early

If anyone can aid me 'tis me brother in the army
If I can find his station in Cork or in Killarney
And if he'll go with me we'll go roaming in Kilkenny
And I'm sure he'll treat me better than me own me sporting Jenny

(bowling presumably referring to 'lane bowling')

Rog

PS I swap the last two verses.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 11 - 09:48 AM

a man caled james said thin lizzy were the best at singing this song but here is what i think of that recording. being a singer and accordian player i think the thin lizzy recording is rubbish. when i played in bravehart with martin i remember my mum saying because of the non sense chorus we were not allowed to perform this song at all. 1 thing i can say is the clancey brothers did not record this song because i have got 3 albums of them and there is not a sign of the song whisky in the jar and only pub singers would do this song. my own opinion on doing a version on this song is that the old folks at the day centers and homes would not understand what the chorus is. i think it is a nice tune but i have found no songs that have better words that have nothing to do with drinking.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 05:01 PM

At one time or another, nearly every folk singer or group active during the "great folk scare" seems to have done a version of this. I stand guilty as well. It's a great up-tempo rouser and a good change of pace after doing something like "Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye" or some similar dirge. I don't think many of us researched it well back then; we just glommed onto a version that sounded good to us and made it work. Looking at the origins and various permutations of it, in hindsight, is a great read. Thanks to all.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 05:09 AM

What a nice informative thread.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Tim Eriksen
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 09:13 AM

Just discovered this ancient discussion. My two cents worth is that I spent some time hanging out with (folklorist) Peter Kennedy in the late '80s, who claimed to be responsible for discovering the Dubliners and also for teaching them this song, which he learned from Frank Warner who got it from Grammy Fish.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WHISKEY IN THE JAR (from Bodleian)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 01:33 PM

From the Bodleian ballad collection, Johnson Ballads 612A, "between 1846 and 1854."

[These versions are very similar: Harding B 11(4152), Harding B 15(372a), Johnson Ballads 612A, and 2806 b.10(109).]


WHISKEY IN THE JAR

I am a young fellow that never yet was daunted,
And oftentimes had money, but seldom it was wanted,
For robbing for gold, it was my own folly,
Paying for good liquor to treat deceitful Molly.
Musha ring a ding a ra.

As I was going over Calvert mountains,
I met with Captain Everet, his money he was counting,
First I drew my pistols, and then I drew my rapier,
Stand and deliver, for I am your bold deceiver.
Musha ring, &c.

Oh! when I got his money, it was a pretty penny,
I put it in my pocket and took it home to Molly,
When she swore by what was good, that she never would deceive me,
But the devil take the women, for they never can be easy.
Musha ring, &c.

Being both wet and weary, I went to Molly's chamber,
I went to Molly's chamber for to have a slumber,
When she flew unto my pistols and she loaded them with—water,
I was dragged out of my bed just as like a lamb to the slaughter.
Musha ring, &c.

It was early next morning, between six and seven,
Surrounded by policemen, and likewise Captain Everet,
I fired off my pistols and powder, but was mistaken,
I fired off the water and a prisoner I was taken.
Musha ring, &c.

There's some take delight in fishing and fowling,
Whilst others take delight in hearing cannons roaring,
But I take delight in being brisk and jolly,
And in paying for good liquor to treat deceitful Molly.
Musha ring, &c.

Oh! I have got two brothers, and they are in the army,
One is in Cork, and the other in Killarney,
If I had them here to-night, oh, wouldn't I make them jolly,
I would rather have them here than you deceitful Molly.
Musha ring, &c.

It was early next morning, between six and seven,
It was up against my cell door the turnkey he was bawling,
When I out with my shackles and knocked the turnkey down,
And I made my escape out of fair Philip's Town.
Musha ring, &c.

E. Hodges, from PITTS Wholesale Toy & Marble Warehouse, 31, Dudley Street, late Monmouth Street, 7 Dials, [London]


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Nov 08 - 08:58 PM

There is a snippet of Lena Bourne Fish singing this on the Warner recording which has been digitally remastered on THIS PAGE. I note it is spelled "Gilgarrah."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: meself
Date: 10 May 08 - 01:07 PM

Helen Creighton collected a version from Ben Henneberry around the 1920's; published without much info. in Songs & Ballads of Nova Scotia (1932). The story gets lost a little (but it's pretty clear what it's all about, anyway!), and the melody is different from the well-known one.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,xulih
Date: 09 May 08 - 06:01 PM

Just heard Metalica on Kerrange (the kids were watching) covering Phil Lynotts version.Brought back memories of the 70s for me.Jenny, Molly, ring or rain it still rocks, lol


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,JazzCat
Date: 20 Jan 08 - 11:51 PM

I found this thread to be especially interesting. Read the entire thing and I seldom do that.
It came up in a conversation I was having with a friend about the origins of American Country Western music. I wont get into the details. Just wanted to say I found all the different lyrical versions and history info quite fascinating.
Jazz


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: joseph
Date: 15 Nov 07 - 04:33 AM

originally recorded by irish legendary folk singer danny doyle now based in america


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 09:10 PM

Guest, Bardan -- alilu means Halleluja. See "The Seven Joys of Mary".

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Amos
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 08:55 PM

There's a long tradition of "mouth music" specially in Irish songs, which are filled with sounds that have no special meaning for the beauty of their sounding.

This offends the rigorously Anglo, but it is true nonetheless, and enjoying the mouthmusic without trying to find morphemes in it is an exercise in Gaelic Zen.

A


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 05:49 PM

Obviously, there was the whisk(e)y before there was a song to celebrate it. Homemade whiskey (moonshine) was often put up in jars. I am loathe to suggest this, but the answer seems self-explanatory.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 14 Nov 07 - 04:52 PM

Asked my grandmother and she remembered the "gibberish" part being about where he was running to after the robbery "Head for the dairy'o" Molly or Whichever name she goes be being a dairy maid.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Bardan
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 08:26 PM

The ideas on what the nonsense bits could have been originally is intersting. However, given the tradition of lilting and the countless nonsense syllables in Irish songs, I doubt they ever had a real meaning. I mean what does alilù puililù mean in Irish if you're going to analyse that sort of stuff? Incidentally the one decodable bit to me is the Musha. I'm sure I've heard it or something very similar used as a term of endearment.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 05:50 PM

Between about 1957 and 1963 or so (at least during the U.S. "Great Folk Scare"), it was probably easier to name the performers who had NOT done this, in some form. Gillgarry, Gilgarra, Kilgarra; different colonels, different cadences, etc., etc. It was always a dependable up-tempo "rouser" when things got too noisy in the joint.

The phrase "Whiskey (with or without the e)in the Jar" shows up in other songs as well. One example is in at least one verse of the Clancy's "Whiskey, You're the Divil."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,magnifico
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 01:51 PM

hi could neone submit the solo or tell me the link
thnx


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 01:47 PM

There's a vigorously Catlic Irish song also called 'Whiskey in the Jar'. It goes:

One Sunday morning, as I was going to Mass,
I met a bloody Orangeman and killed him for his past,
Killed him for his past and sent his soul to Hell,
And when he got there he'd a strange tale to tell.

Chorus: Falderaddle-rye, Falderaddle-rye,
         Falderaddle-rye-raddy,
         There's whiskey in the jar.

When an Orangeman dies and his toes turn cold,
The worms'll have his body and the Devil has his soul,
The Devil he's a-laughing, a-singing out for joy,
'I've a warm spot picked out for you, me bold Orange boy!'

If I had two yards of an Orangeman's skin,
I'd make it into drums for the bold Fenian Men,
The drums they would rattle, the fifes they would play,
And we'd all go to Mass on Saint Patrick's Day.

Personally I really love those old traditional expressions of religious warmth!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 10:48 AM

Mettalica did this as a tribute to Phil. Their version is his. He intended it to be a novelty B-side to their 1972 single "Black Boys on the Corner", but the record company decided otherwise and made it the single. Phil was furious. It took him ages to shake the folk-rocker image. It was really radical and gave them their first taste of success. Apart from the original studio one, there are several bootlegs out there including Gary Moore and Midge Ure ones.
But find the original, it knocks Mettalica's out of the ring.

As to the meaning of the refrain, probably mostly just nonsense words to make it more singeable. The whiskey bit really oughtn't to surprise anyone. Being a blackguarding song refferences to alcohol, the most popular pursuit (after Jenny, Molly, Polly, etc,) are quite understandable.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 10:37 AM

Somewhere back in the Dark Ages --- about 1957, when BBC Radio still had serious programmes about folkmusic --- I heard an American 'Whiskey in the Jar' with an odd last verse:

That night Sir Humphrey Gilbert was looking for a crew,
The Queen said, 'Here's two robbers. spared their lives to sail with you'.
Young Willie and the pedlar swore allegiance on her name
To be contented with their robbing from the Spaniard on the Main.

This verse appeared after the hero's arrest. the 'pedlar' had not previously appeared in the lyric.

Is this a chunk from a signficantly different narrative, or even a different song about two different people?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Ur stalker!
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:55 AM

I think whiskey in the jar is the best song by metallica! i dont carea bout the dam origins i care about metallica and the blody raping


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 01:06 AM

I'll drink to that!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 12:00 AM

This thread is older than the net! lol. j/k. Wow, like the song, this thread lives on.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Pogo
Date: 25 Sep 04 - 12:28 AM

Yup picked that up from the rest of the thread...Still think ' sea man ' made for a nifty version...ah well

So I counted out his money an' it made a pretty penny
I put it in me pocket an' I took it home ta Jenny
She sighed and she swore that she never would decieve me
But the devil take th' women for they never can be aisy (easy)

mush-a-ring dom-a-doo dom-a-di
White fall the derry-o
White fall the derry-o
There's-a whisky in th' jar


I went unto my chambers all for t' take a slumber
I dreamt of gold an' jewels an' for sure i'twas no wonder
But Jenny drew me charges an' she filled 'em up with water
Then sent for Captain Farrell to be ready for th' slaughter

mush-a-ring dom-a-doo dom-a-di etc.

'Twas early in the mornin' just before I rose t'travel
Up comes a band o' footmen and likeways Captain Farrel
I first produced me pistol for she'd stolen away me rapier
But I couldna shoot the water so a prisoner I was taken

mush-a-ring dom-a-doo dom-a-di etc.

Now there's some takes delight in the carriages a'rollin'
And other take delight in th' hurley an' the bowlin'
But I take delight in the juice o' the barely
An' courtin' pretty fair maids o' a mornin' bright an' early

mush a ring dom a doo dom a di

If anyone can aid me 'tis me brother in the army
If I can find his station in Cork or in Killarny
And if he'll go with me, we'll go rollin' in Kilkenny
An' I'm sure he'll treat me better than me only sportin' Jenny

Mush a ring dom a doo dom a di


*sigh* I do love singin' me Irish music...I believe this is the Dubliners version


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 03:17 PM

Pogo, it's "bold deceiver." But sing on!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Pogo
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 01:21 PM

I've found this thread fascinating especially the ponderings on the nonsense words (this being a favorite song of mine)

Interestingly enough the version I heard went something like this (again I might be mishearing a few things...I disremember {O) )

As I was going o'er the far-fled (far-flung) Kerry Mountains
I met with Cap'n Farrell and his money he was countin'
I first produced me pistol and I then produced me rapier
Sayin' ' Stand and deliver for ye were a bold sea man'

This to me especially in the last line seems to justify the robbery a bit, it suggested to me that the robber and the captain served together as mates on a ship or something and somehow or another Captain Farrel owes him the money anyways since he cheated him, stole it, etc. But that might have been just imagination at work. Still it puts an interesting spin on the story eh?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,Lighter at work
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 10:17 AM

I meant "John FORD."

Thank God nobody caught it before I did.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Nerd
Date: 24 Sep 04 - 12:21 AM

Well, I just gave my first name anyway...back in Dec 2001


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 05:45 PM

Saw a paperback some years ago with the cover blurb: "A Story So True It Can Only Be Told As Fiction!"

Director John Huston is credited with the enigmatic line, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend!"

So Nerd has my vote. I accept that ridiculous fiction as fact.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 04:17 PM

In a list of "newest songs,' printed in Edinburgh in 1855- Whisky in the Jar. That version had the chorus Mush a ring a do a da, fal lal da do da addy, Mush a ring a do a da, there's whisky in the jar.

Musha ding a ring a ra etc. there's whiskey in the jar was printed in England at the same time.

Perhaps there should be a thread with nothing but 'whack' choruses and songs. A few:

Song- Whack! Row De Dow-
(No fool is Yankee Doodle Dandy)

Song- I never take more than my whack.

Song- Whack for the Emerald Isle

Song- The tale of Barney O'Whack, doorkeeper for the convent of St. Margaret's.

Song- Finigan's Wake- Whack, hurrah, dance to your partners; whack, hurroo boys...

Song- The Irishman's Shanty- Now boys, one for the Paddy,
Whack! Paddy's the boy!

Song- McGuffins Home Run- You hit it a whack, now...

Song- The Lanigan's Ball- Whack! Fal lal, fal la, tal ladeddy etc.

Song- Paddy Whack- Di du Mack Whack, I am just from the town of Bally hack, where seven praties weigh a ton.

Song- August the One- Whack fol de rol de ri do, etc.

Song- McClellan will be president- With a whack, row de dow ...

Song- The Eight-hour System- Whack row de dow...

Song- Paddy's Dream- Fal lal lue, ful lal lue, whack fad de riddle,
Sing ful lah lue, fal lah lue, whack ful de ray... etc.

.and so on ad nauseum.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: PoppaGator
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 03:23 PM

You're right, Malcolm. If I were more serious about the scholarly side of this stuff, I'd get frustrated, too.

Nerd -- I gave a big fat hint about where to find my (not-so) secret identity; how 'bout you?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 03:12 PM

That's perfectly true; but unfortunately they often can't resist sharing those flights of fancy with others, who then repeat fantasy as fact. Makes getting at the real truth far harder than it ought to be when you have to address all that stuff as well as the hard evidence!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: PoppaGator
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 01:38 PM

Malcolm,

I understand, and largely agree with, your assertion that "there is nothing to explain, no hidden code."

However, I would assert that it can really help to enhance a singer's performance for him/her to have a "backstory" in which to believe. It can be completely spurious, and no one but the singer need ever know the details, but the intensity and affect of the performance can be strengthened by the singer's ability to project him/herself into some imagined scenario involving the song. And an elaborate explanation (whether false or true) of how and why the lyrics say what they say can provide this for a performer.

I am certainly in favor of making a clear distinction between hard facts and scholarship on the one hand and wild flights of fancy on the other, but I am glad to read about both.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 01:25 PM

"Whack fo the daddy oh, Whack fo the daddy oh, Whack fo the daddy oh, there's whisky in the jar..."

obviously means the guy is planning to slap his father three times for lying to him and saying there was no whisky left.

What is WRONG with you people who can't understand simple English :-)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Nerd
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 01:22 PM

Yeah, Poppagator, I too am in there under my real name. Funny, huh?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 01:08 PM

Nothing in particular, as we've already mentioned a number of times. It's just there to add a little "local colour" for music hall audiences. Attempts like "Jim"'s to "explain" it are ingenious but lead nowhere; there is nothing to explain, no hidden code. That won't stop people continuing to invent imaginary meanings of their own, of course; but such explanations usually show little knowledge of the song's history.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: PoppaGator
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 10:18 AM

This thread is so old, it contains a post I made under my "real-life" name way back on Christmas Eve 1999, before I became a member and assumed my current fake name. (I don't really understand how the prefix "GUEST" got omitted; I was *not* posting as a member...)

I'm glad to see it reappear. What a great old song! I'm sure we'll never unravel its mysteries (e.g., what in God's name does the chorus have to do with the story told in the verses?)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 10:10 AM

Jerry Garcia's version comes from Alan Lomax, Folksongs of North America (1960). The ultimate source was Lena Bourne Fish of New Hampshire, recorded by the Warners about 1940.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: GUEST,jim
Date: 23 Sep 04 - 09:26 AM

Hello folks
have read this thread with interest as I too have been trying to decypher the almost code-like chorus. Just to throw confusion into the mix, it has been suggested to me that the 'whack fo' mi daddy-o' line could relate to the term 'whack' used by the british army in years gone by, meaning the last shot delivered by the commanding officer to those excuted by firing squad (later pinched for the term 'gettin whacked'). This suggestion would indeed fit into the framework if the lyrics were to be taken literally (in terms of highway man folklore / Patrick Fleming etc) as the first verse does sound like the proverbial 'stick-up... Capt Farrell... his money he was a countin'... stand and deliver etc... erm, now i'm talking jibberish... Your thoughts ladies & gentlemen....


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Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey In The Jar
From: emjay
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:04 PM

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