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Subject: Fairytale of New York -- Christy Moore From: stevec@liii.com Date: 19 Oct 97 - 01:53 AM Is anyone out there familiar with a song that Christy Moort performs called Fairytale of New York? I'm looking for help on what it's about and whether or not the song represents two people speaking or just one. If it's two people, who is saying what? I'm confused...
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Subject: Lyr Add: FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK^^^ From: alison Date: 19 Oct 97 - 07:56 PM FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK It was Christmas Eve babe In the drunk tank An old man said to me, won't see another one And then he sang a song The Rare Old Mountain Dew And I turned my face away And dreamed about you
Got on a lucky one
They've got cars
When you first took my hand
You were handsome
Sinatra was swinging,
The Boys of the NYPD choir
1. You're a bum
1. You scum bag
1. I could have been someone I've heard Christy Moore do this live just as one person, but the Pogues and Kirsty McColl do it as a duet singing a line each when it gets to the insulting part. I've stuck numbers in in front of the lines to give you an idea of where the parts are but I can't remember who sings what. I reckon it's about a couple who go to New York looking for a better life who get disillusioned. Slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Öjje Date: 20 Oct 97 - 06:04 PM Shane MacGowan has wright this song and he sings duet with Kirsty MacColl. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Alan of Australia Date: 21 Oct 97 - 05:42 AM Talking about seeing Christy Moore live that's exactly what a few of us will be doing 1st November.
Cheers, |
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Subject: Lyr Add: FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK^^^ From: KA Date: 21 Oct 97 - 11:19 AM FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK
1 It was Christmas Eve babe
1 : Man KA |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Earl Date: 21 Oct 97 - 11:52 PM It would make an interesting hypertext project to connect all the threads mentioning this song. Here we have the lyrics presented three times. Let's put this song in the database. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Alex Date: 22 Oct 97 - 01:14 AM Talking about fairy tales - did you hear about the gay guy who moved out of Manhattan because he wanted to be listed in the Queens directory? |
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Subject: christmas in new york From: GUEST,doug Date: 26 Feb 00 - 07:09 AM please help with words and chords for "christmas in new york". Recorded by Christy Moore ? |
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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: FAIRYTALE OF NEW YORK From: Ed Pellow Date: 26 Feb 00 - 10:33 AM A quick search in a decent search engine for: "Christy Moore" lyrics finds: A fairytale in New York
C F I could have been someone and so could anyone Hope this helps Ed |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: christmas in new york From: GUEST,Doug Date: 26 Feb 00 - 07:06 PM Thanks Ed, thats exactly what I needed. I only caught part of the song the other day and thought I should play this. Doug. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: christmas in new york From: Sorcha Date: 26 Feb 00 - 07:08 PM NOW?? You're supposed to be practicing up for Paddy's Day! It's big in NY too!:) |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 28 Oct 00 - 12:38 PM Thanks for the lyrics. You have made my friend very happy. He is mumbling along with Shane right now. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: The Shambles Date: 28 Oct 00 - 03:35 PM It was the very best Christmas number one hit record the UK has had or will ever have. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: SDShad Date: 28 Oct 00 - 03:57 PM Christy's doing concerts again? Is this a one-time, special deal? As for Fairytale, as much of a fan of Christy Moore as I am, he doesn't carry it off very well. Oh well--he makes up for it with so very many other songs. Done by the Pogues and Kirsty MacColl, it's sublime. Chris |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,SDShad Date: 29 Oct 00 - 03:38 PM Oops. Suppose I should've looked at the original dates of the early messages..... Chris |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Oct 00 - 04:00 PM Good threads never die.They just have a rest.
They're both great versions - Shane's version has the power that goes with it being the fella that wrote it, whatever he sounds like singing it, and Kirsty has a great voice. But that version came across as a great record, and one you'd want to hear it again.
On the other hand, Christy's version liberated the song from the turntable or the CD player. That means that now it's a song you expect to hear people sing, or to sing yourself if you're up to it. I don't know how it works, but that's what seems to happen with songs he sings, and it doesn't happen with lots of other great siongers. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Dec 03 - 07:59 PM i just been looking at some old threads about this, i didnt know christy moore wrote it. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Clinton Hammond Date: 16 Dec 03 - 08:07 PM Christy Moore DIDN'T write it... if yer gonna read an old thread and comment on it... make sure you READ the thread... And I gotta disagree with SDShad... I have little or no use for Shane... outside him being one hell of a songwriter, I think he's a total waste of skin... Christy covering this song made it in my book... Mick O'Briens cover is almost as good... :-) |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: The Borchester Echo Date: 16 Dec 03 - 08:09 PM He didn't, jOhn. It was co-written by Shane MacGowan and Jem Finer. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 16 Dec 03 - 08:09 PM Oh, sorry. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Ligger Date: 16 Dec 03 - 09:06 PM James McNally has an instrumental version of this on his solo album, Every Breath. And although played on the whistle, he does manage to make it sound like conversation? Shane being "a waste of skin".???? What has he ever done to offend you? |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Big Tim Date: 17 Dec 03 - 11:52 AM It never made it to No.1, No. 2 only. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Clinton Hammond Date: 17 Dec 03 - 12:15 PM "What has he ever done to offend you?" Shown up to shows way too drunk to even stand let alone perform... not shown up at all... ( I tossed too much hard earned cash at that sh!t stain!) I have no use for him at all outside his song writing... some of which is brilliant... "an instrumental version of this on his solo album, Every Breath" Now that, I'd be keen to hear! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Shane's pal Date: 08 Feb 05 - 09:43 AM Clinton wotsyerface, Shane says fuck off, twat |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Splott Man Date: 08 Feb 05 - 10:43 AM Of course he does |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Rain Dog Date: 08 Feb 05 - 11:05 AM Splott Man now you have gone and disappointed me. I was looking forward to waiting another 2 years for a response to Guest.Shane's pal's post |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: The Unicorn Man Date: 08 Feb 05 - 11:15 AM I am lucky. I have heard the John Breeze version. Very funny. As one would expect. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Shane's pal Date: 09 Feb 05 - 11:42 AM Sorry Clinton, wasn't Shane. Twas Alistair Campbell. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,ClintonHammond Date: 09 Feb 05 - 11:59 AM And I should care why? |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: breezy Date: 09 Feb 05 - 08:09 PM and in what way was it funny Martin?? you waste of snot, you didnt come to guru. I only sing this song in December and I only do it solo if Sue F aint around. I do it with total respect. Its a great and unique number. dont go much on Shane's teeth either. 'waste of skin', thats a cruel and unkind thing to say of anyone, even if its true, it shouldnt be said out of it being hurtful. respect. This friday in St Albans ,at the Legion Les Sullivan and Kitty Vernon |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,ossonflags at werk Date: 10 Feb 05 - 05:59 AM I think shane mcgowan has more talent and sensitivity in his little finger than most people have in the rest of their bodies. "waste of skin" Well Clinton, dont see you selling or writing many major hits. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Shane's pal Date: 10 Feb 05 - 09:18 AM We know you do care, Clinton or you would not have posted. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: goodbar Date: 10 Feb 05 - 11:20 PM the pogues are awesome and shane macgowan is my man. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Clinton Hammond Date: 10 Feb 05 - 11:26 PM Somebody needs to call you people a whhhaaaaambulance... |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Big Mick Date: 11 Feb 05 - 01:16 AM I went to the first Guinness Fleadh in the States. It was held on Randall's Island, NY. Shane and the Popes were playing. He was at least an hour late, arrived so drunk that he fell off the stage, and was incomprehensible while singing. I contrasted this with Christy Moore, Davy Spillane, Van Morrison, and a bunch more. They arrived on time, conducted themselves like pro's, and entertained the hell out of us. As a performer, if you have no respect for the audience, you ain't much. I will never pay money to see this slob play again. He wrote a couple of good songs, one in particular. Beyond that he isn't worth the time or money to see. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,milk monitor Date: 11 Feb 05 - 11:39 AM Tastes differ. Having seen Shane numerous times over the last twenty years, in UK and Eire, with Pogues and The Popes, I have never left a gig feeling short changed. His problems are apparent, but they haven't detracted from him being a genius wordsmith and surrounded by top class musicians. I don't expect his performance to be in line with anyone else on a particular bill, because he isn't anyone else. His gigs in UK and Eire are all out party occasions, have never heard a complaint and yes he has arrived late (often), but nobody expects otherwise. Sure that can be a pain in the middle of a festival line up, however the promoters are under no illusion about Shane's reputation, and they know he'll draw a crowd. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: The Unicorn Man Date: 11 Feb 05 - 01:12 PM Ar I ment funny in a most respectful way of course. Getting some what less snotty |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Big Mick Date: 11 Feb 05 - 04:57 PM If he had just been late, I could have lived with it. He literally couldn't talk, let alone sing. Their was no show, just a sorry drunk that couldn't perform. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: ranger1 Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:20 PM Geez, Mick, you're lucky he was at least there! He never showed up here in Portland, ME. After an hour, one of the Popes came out and gave us a song and dance about how Shane's flight from Rhode Island had been cancelled due to weather. It was a clear night in Maine, and I doubt it was any worse in Rhode Island (where the hell do people fly out of in Rhode Island, anyway? Is the state even big enough to have a runway long enough?). However, our friend who worked in the bar across the street from the venue told us that Shane was over there getting too blotto to perform. We were lucky, we got our money refunded, and that kicked off one of the most memorable nights out I've ever had. Someday I might be persuaded to tell the story... |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: The Unicorn Man Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:45 PM I have played in front of him. How about that? In a busking competiton in London. I was about 16 then and he was kinder than Simon Cowal. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: ranger1 Date: 11 Feb 05 - 05:53 PM Oh, I'm not really complaining. I would have been happy if they'd wheeled him in on a dolly passed out. As it was, I think we had a more memorable evening because he wasn't there. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,milk monitor Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:22 PM Mick I can understand your disappointment then, but our expectations differ. Over here we don't go to hear Shane sing, we go to help him sing. And if that means a couple of thousand people belting out 'Boys from the County Hell', then so be it, and may the hairs on the back of my neck rise in admiration. His gigs here are very interactive, if that makes sense? But you come away feeling as though you have all contributed to it. We all get to celebrate his words. I can envisage that if he does have an untimely death, the tabloids will be dotted with his lyrics in various stories, and some people who have written him off as a worthless drunk will be surprised. I hesitate to say pleasantly, as he does seem to invoke negative feelings in some, maybe deep down we don't like to see pure, raw talent destroy itself. I'll shut up now, cos I'm rambling. I just think he's one of todays true poetic figures. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Big Mick Date: 11 Feb 05 - 07:45 PM A number of musicians that I admire, and am fortunate to call friend feel the same way, MM. And had there been any chance that we could have sung along, that would have been fine. I don't see this as a "over here, over there" thing. And feel free to ramble, cos you make some pretty good sense. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: J-boy Date: 25 Dec 10 - 11:47 PM Brilliant song. Happy Birthday Shane! |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Desi C Date: 26 Dec 10 - 07:56 AM Yes as many I'm sure have pointed out it was recorded by The Pogues with Kirsty McColl, Kirtsy actually added the the line 'so could anyone' in response to Shane's line 'I could have been someone' it didn't exist in the original lyrics, a touch of genius I think |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Ruth Archer Date: 26 Dec 10 - 09:07 AM "Kirtsy actually added the the line 'so could anyone' in response to Shane's line 'I could have been someone' it didn't exist in the original lyrics, a touch of genius I think" That'a not true - the line "so could anyone" is in the Pogues demo of the song with Shane & Cait O'Riordan, which pre-dates the version by Kirsty & Shane by several years. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Andy Jackson Date: 26 Dec 10 - 09:40 AM I always liked the pogues and Kirty Mc C until I heard KT Tunstall with James Dean Bradfield (of the Manic Street Preachers)on the Chris Evans show the other morning. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: EBarnacle Date: 26 Dec 10 - 05:44 PM Lady Hillary and I were at a performance of Scream Along with Billy [Hough], a very Nico [not a spelling error] Christmas on Dec. 24. He and his group performed Fairytale of NY. They did it so well that my original dissatisfaction with his style was eased enough that we stayed and enjoyed the remained of the performance. Things have to be pretty rough when you consider walking out on comp tickets. This guy has a lot of talent and, if he does not destroy himself with screaming, drugs and alcohol may become one of the greats. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: EBarnacle Date: 26 Dec 10 - 05:44 PM Oops, that should have been Dec. 23, not 24. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 27 Dec 10 - 06:19 AM I think you kind of miss the point about Shane's genius - about genius in general come to that. Shane is a performance artist. there is an onstage persona - like Bowie as Ziggy Stardust, Madonna as whoever she is this week, Mike Waterson as a Waterson. Shane stays in character some of the time offstage - to sustain his songwriting. The character Shane has chosen is the loquacious drunken, feted celebrity Celtic poet - Dylan Thomas and Brendhan Beham setting out the original paradigms or blueprints, whatever. Maybe Shane stays in character too much, but as Alan Bennet says in his essay about Louis MacNeice, MacNeice was too normal - if you don't go overboard, you won't make much of a splash. Shane is a product of the English public school system. A system ruthlessly dedicated to creating leaders of the pack. That's where Shane's clear sighted ambition comes from and what will save him from an untimely death in the Bix Beiderbecke, Jimi Hendrix fashion. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Andy Jackson Date: 27 Dec 10 - 08:56 AM Shane has written some amazing lyrics, amomg "A Rainy night in Soho" one of Eyelanders favorites, when she sings it to me I just crumble. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: J-boy Date: 28 Dec 10 - 02:35 AM Shane is not "A product of the English public school system." The system expelled him at the ripe old age of fourteen. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 28 Dec 10 - 11:21 AM 'Give me the child tile he is seven......' They had him twice that long. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Peadar (formerly) of Portsmouth Date: 28 Dec 10 - 04:25 PM For those interested in the song (ahem, the original focus of the thread), you may want to watch the documentary done by the BBC, which I discovered last year on YouTube. There are six parts, but well worth the time. The Story of Fairytale of New York |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Peadar (formerly) of Portsmouth Date: 28 Dec 10 - 05:06 PM BTW - is this the only documentary on a particular song that the Bebe has done? I haven't found others. Did watch the Folk Britannia and Folk Hibernia stuff...righteous. |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Cuilionn Date: 28 Dec 10 - 08:28 PM I spent the Advent season working retail in a British imports shop where I was forced to listen to the "great" Irish Tenors' Christmas album, "We Three Kings" over and over and over. They sing a bowdlerized version of "Fairytale" that removes all the ironic and angry dialogue lines, gutting the song completely and turning it into just another saccharine bit of holiday schmaltz. Makes me yearn for another spin of Kirsty (God rest her soul) & Shane (God make him sober)on the turntable. Mostly, it makes me miss Kirsty...and wish I could take "We Three Kings" and smash the CD to smithereens. --Cuilionn |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Martin S Date: 29 Dec 10 - 10:59 AM There was an attempt this year to get Sean Ryder and Stacey Solomon from I'm a celebrity get me out of here fame to record the song in time for the christmas number one slot. Time was against them so it didn't happen. |
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Subject: lyr add: Fairytale of New York as Gaeilge From: Felipa Date: 23 Jul 21 - 02:04 PM another Mudcatter, Monique, who takes responsibility for a thread listing songs sung at the Mudcat singarounds in languages other than English, told me that someone sang an Irish language translation of Fairytale of New York Monday night. It hadn't been posted on the 'Cat previously, so I searched elsewhere for the lyrics. I don't know who translated the song. It was performed in Irish by Fred McCluskey, Ger Maher & Ailbhe Hession for TG4 (Irish language tv station) FAIRY TALE NUA EABHRAC B'í Oíche Nollag í 'S mé caochta óltach, Dúirt seanfhear 'n aice liom, 'S í mo Nollaig dheireanach í. 'Sin thosaigh sé gabháil foinn, An 'Rare Old Mountain Dew'; Chrom mé mo cheann go ciúin 'S mé cuimhniú ortsa. Nach orm a bhí an t-ádh Tháinig sí isteach go breá Airím istigh i mo chroí Gur linne an bhliain seo romhainn Ó Nollaig Shona dhuit, Is tú mo Stóirín Feabhsóidh rudaí fós 'mach romhainn atá sé 'S gar le beáir iad na cairr 'S na habhainn lán le h-ór Ach tá goimh ghéar san ghaoth Ní haon áit í gan ghlór Nuair a thóg tú mo lámh ar ár gcéad Nollaig riamh Gheall tú dhom Broadway a bheith romham ins an tSlí Bhí tú dathúil, Tá tú meabhrach, an Bhanríon Nua Eabhrach Ní raibh críoch leis an scléip Bhí an chraic's spraoi thar barr 'Sinatra' ag swingeáil Na cloig 's iad ag 'ringeáil, Muid ag pógadh 's ag damhsa Gan imní faoin saol 'S Cór an NYPD 's iad ag casadh 'Galway Bay', 'S na cloig ag bualadh leo Lá breith Mac Dé. Fear déirce gan rath A shean stróinse gan mhaith I do chrap ansin thall mar bheadh cailleach sa gclúid. A sclíteach, a chonúis, 'Chacsmuitín an donais. Nollaig Shona mo thóin Faraoir gan é thart. 's Cór an NYPD 's iad ag casadh 'Galway Bay', 'S na cloig ag bualadh leo Lá breith Mac Dé. Bhí saol breá romhamsa Nach breá an scéal agat é; Sciob tú mo bhrionglóid uaim An chéad uair a chas mé ort. Tá siad agam i gconaí, a stór I dtaisce i mo chroí. Na fág me 'nois, a mhnaoi; 'S tú bun 's barr mo shaolsa 'S Cór an NYPD 's iad ag casadh 'Galway Bay', 'S na cloig ag bualadh leo Lá breith Mac Dé. ----------------- I made a few small corrections of spellings of the lyrics shown on the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IjJ5XlQkSs and those posted at https://songsinirish.com/fairytale-of-new-york-as-gaeilge/ TG4 video of Fred McCluskey, Ger Maher & Ailbhe Hession https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVdsD_MLQio&t=5s You may also like to watch the video of "Seo Linn" performing this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo_UYsYcBAw |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: Georgiansilver Date: 24 Jul 21 - 02:58 PM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairytale_of_New_York |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: keberoxu Date: 26 Jul 21 - 06:33 PM There is now a Shane McGowan documentary out called Crock of Gold. I have yet to see it. How does "Fairytale of New York" fare in Shane's life story on film? personal aside: I would love, in some alternate reality, to hear the song as a duet between Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton. I can dream, can't I . . . |
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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York From: GUEST,Jerry A. O'Neill Date: 06 Dec 21 - 03:59 PM This is my Irish version of Fairytale of New York. I'm not sure if I posted it on some other thread already. Síscéal Nua-Eabhrach (Fairytale of New York) Page 1 Arna aistriú ag Jerry A. Ó Néill Ba Oíche Nollaig í I gcillín na póite, “A mhic” arsa seana-leaid, “Ní fheicfead aríst í. Is chan sé amrán dúinn, ‘The Rare Old Mountain Dew' chromas mo cheannn go ciúin Ag smaoineamh ortsa. Nach orm a bhí an t-ádh, Tháinig sí isteach go brá. Braithim im’ chroí istigh, Gur linn an bhliain seo chugainn, Ó Nollaig Shona dhuit, Is tú mo Stóirín. Chím ár lá ag teacht, is saol geal romhainn. Tá na srutháin lán d’ór, Is an rachmas thar fóir Ach tá goimh insan gaoth, don tseanóir, ní áit í. Do rugas ar láimh ort, ar ár gcead Nollaig riamh is gheallas duit, Broadway a bheith romham sa tslí. Bhí tú maisiúil is meabhrach, Banríon Nua Eabhrach Nuair a ghabhamar beirt Amach ar an spraoi. Sinatra ag luascadh, mo mhianta á mhúscailt, ag rince is ag pógadh Gan buairt, gan imní. Agus cóir an NYPD 's iad ag cantain 'Galway Bay', 'S na cloig ag bualadh leo Breithlá Mhac Dé. I could have been someone. Well, so could anyone. I took my dreams From you, when I first found you. I kept them with me babe I put them with my own Can't make it all alone I've built my dreams around you. You're a bum, you're a punk, You're an old slut on junk, Lying there almost dead On a drip in that bed. You scumbag, you maggot, You cheap lousy faggot “Happy Christmas”, my arse, I pray God it's our last. The boys of the NYPD choir Still singing 'Galway Bay' And the bells are ringing Out for Christmas day |
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