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Lyr Req: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly Tree

GUEST,Celtic4raven 27 Feb 01 - 06:40 AM
Dunc 27 Feb 01 - 06:49 AM
GUEST,Brian 27 Feb 01 - 07:18 AM
Dunc 27 Feb 01 - 07:23 AM
Malcolm Douglas 27 Feb 01 - 07:36 AM
Peg 27 Feb 01 - 11:13 AM
GUEST,Bruce O. 27 Feb 01 - 01:47 PM
GUEST,Annegi 27 Feb 01 - 04:56 PM
Liz the Squeak 27 Feb 01 - 05:02 PM
Susan of DT 27 Feb 01 - 06:45 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 27 Feb 01 - 06:51 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 27 Feb 01 - 09:00 PM
wes.w 28 Feb 01 - 09:05 AM
Peg 28 Feb 01 - 09:26 AM
Doug Chadwick 27 Oct 09 - 03:05 PM
Steve Gardham 27 Oct 09 - 03:18 PM
Thompson 27 Oct 09 - 06:51 PM
Jack Campin 27 Oct 09 - 07:16 PM
Thomas Stern 29 Oct 09 - 12:09 PM
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Subject: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: GUEST,Celtic4raven
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 06:40 AM

I am very interested in celtic tree songs and was told that there was an old traditional song by this name. If anyone has the Lyrics and chords. Any other lovely celtic tree/nature ballards I would appreciate any interest.

Cheers...Jacqui


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: Dunc
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 06:49 AM

I know of a song performed by the Watersons which has the line...,
Oh the oak and the ash and the bonny ivy tree
All flurish and bloom my north county.


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: GUEST,Brian
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 07:18 AM

Type 'oak' and 'ash' into the DigiTrag Lyric Search, it brings up several versions of the song you are looking for.

regards

Brian


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: Dunc
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 07:23 AM

I've just remembered the name of the song...
The North Country Maid.
You can check it ou at the Waterson's website
http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/~gillard/watersons/index.html
Check out these treeish songs on the same website
Apple Tree Wassail
The Banks of Green Willow
The Holly Bears a Berry


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 07:36 AM

There are many versions of that refrain, always featuring oak and ash, and variously ivy, elm, birch, rowan and willow, though I can't think of one with holly in it offhand.  In the DT database (found by searching for oak and ash through the "Digitrad and Forum Search" box on the main Forum page):

A North Country Maid
North Country Maid
Home Boys Home
Hame Dearie Hame
Home Dearie Home (Ambletown)
Roseberry Lane
Raspberry Lane

Of course there is nothing particularly "Celtic" about these songs, so it may be that none of them are what you are looking for; on the other hand, "Celtic" is so often used nowadays as a more-or-less meaningless catch-all term, so who knows?  Do let us know if any of this is any help; we can always look further if need be.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: Peg
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 11:13 AM

neat thread! of course you are aware of the song with lyrics by Rudyard Kipling, Oak and Ash and Thorn?

Of all the trees that grow so fair old England to adorn, greater are none beneath the sun than oak and ash and thorn...

peg


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 01:47 PM

Unfortunately there's no copy on the Bodley Ballads website of the 17th century prototype for the 'Oak and Ash + ' songs. "The Northern Lasses lamentation" is ZN1896 in the broadside ballad index on my website. The chorus of it goes:

O the Oak, the Ash, and the bonny Ivy tree
Doth flourish at home in my own Country

Of the ABCs of two tunes for it on my website, B225 and B226 the first is that called "Goddesses" in the Dancing Master, and the second is another variant of "I am the Duke of Norfolk/ John Anderson, my Jo".


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: GUEST,Annegi
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 04:56 PM

An Irish song titled 'Home Boys Home' has these words in the chorus


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 05:02 PM

The thorn would be the blackthorn. All trees are native to England, and all are mentioned as magic trees. This goes for the rowan and holly, both protection against evil or witches (not necessarily the same thing) and ivy as well.

LTS


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: Susan of DT
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 06:45 PM

you can also try @tree in the DT search box for 18 songs, some of which are oak and ash and some third tree (ivy, rowan, thorn, birch, etc)


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 06:51 PM

Nice to hear from you Susan. I haven't seen you post for a long time. I look forward to them because they make such good sense.


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 27 Feb 01 - 09:00 PM

I've added the 17th century broadside text )c 1672-80) to the Scarce Songs 2 file on my website. Instead of listing sources of traditional derivatives, I've stolen Susan's note to look for 'Tree' in DT. There are two 17th century tunes that are connected to the song. It involves some unverified 19th century statements of dubious worth. ABCs are B226 and B226 on my website.


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: wes.w
Date: 28 Feb 01 - 09:05 AM

Logs to Burn? Or is that too painful for the sensitivities of the politically correct, new-age celts that seem to flock around here ?


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Subject: RE: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly tree
From: Peg
Date: 28 Feb 01 - 09:26 AM

yes we did that log song a while back. I know it as Oaken Logs...

the version I know has traditional lyrics and tune composed by a New York State witches' coven...the tune is a traditional one too I beleiev but not sure which one...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly Tree
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 03:05 PM

The DT has the North Country Maid with the line "the oak and the ash and the bonny ivy tree" instead of "holly tree". I've also heard it with "rowan tree".


All of these trees are native to Britain and can be found throughout the country. According to the Woodland Trust, the English oak is the commonest tree in southern and central British broadleaved woods. Taking just one southern county, Kent, as an example, you can find towns such as Sevenoaks, Ashford and Ivychurch.

Whatever version you have, what is the significance, in this song, of these trees to the North?

DC


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly Tree
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 03:18 PM

Hi, Doug,
No special significance at all. The song could just as easily have said 'do flourish at home in my south country home'. The writer(s) just happened to live in (want to sell in) the north.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly Tree
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 06:51 PM

Luke Kelly sings of
the oak and the ash and the bonny rowan tree


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly Tree
From: Jack Campin
Date: 27 Oct 09 - 07:16 PM

Anybody got any more of the parody than the lines

The coke and the hash and the bonny LSD
They all stone you better in my home country

or is that all there is?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Oak, the Ash and the Holly Tree
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 12:09 PM


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