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Subject: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: IanC
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:05 PM

Haven't had one recently, so here's another easy quiz to keep you going for 10 minutes or so(!).

The record so far is about 24 hours. Can you beat that?

Here it is.

Mudcat Quiz #3

1. What do the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, Sir Hugh S. Roberton and the author of "The Screwtape Letters" have in common? Give the more common name of the song which forms part of this connection.

2. A carol, not usually sung at Christmas, involves a bridge of sunbeams and a beating. Where did it come from and where did the story originate?

3. Born in 1820 in Sweden, she made her American debut in 1850 with a tour organised by Phineas T. Barnum. A dance manual published in 1858 included two dances named after her. She died in 1887 and is buried in England. Who was she, and why did she stop singing opera in favour of popular songs in 1849?

4. What is the relationship between Denis Murphy, famous Kerry Fiddler, and "Westering Home"?

5. A condemnatory poem written by Robert Burns in 1791 was a hit for Steeleye Span and The Corries amongst others. Who was it aimed at?

6. A fretted instrument of the zither family, brought to the USA by German settlers, was acquired and used to accompany ballads and songs by English and Scots-Irish migrants. Name an LP featuring it.

7. What's so special about the Scottish poet, Topaz, that makes Folkies love him so much?

8. Why didn't Santa Anna gain the day, and what's it got to do with The Yellow Rose of Texas?

9. "This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright # 154085, for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin it without our permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we wanted to do." - Which song?

10. A famous american blues musician and singer recorded an album in Surrey, England in 1963, though it was not released until after he died. The Musicians' listing includes Keith Relf "handclapping, shouting and foot tapping". Who was the lead guitarist?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: MartinRyan
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:10 PM

3. Jenny Lind

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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: MartinRyan
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:18 PM

7. Persistence?

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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:29 PM

Number 10 would be Eric Clapton. I haven't a clue as to any of the others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST,Carol's Friend Don
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:33 PM

Number 9 is "Pastures of Plenty" by Woodie Guthrie


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST,AggieBethie
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:35 PM

8. On April 18, 1836, Emily, a former slave of the Morgan's Point Plantation owner Colonel James Morgan, is helping to load a flatboat when Santa Anna's army rides up. Emily, a comely young woman, is made a personal servant of Santa Anna. Bollaert, the British ethnologist who said that Emily was with Santa Anna at the start of the battle, got his story during a visit he paid to Emily's master, James Morgan, at New Washington. Bollaert's information indicated that the Battle of San Jacinto was probably lost by the Mexicans owing to the influence of a mulatto girl, Emily, belonging to Colonel James Morgan. She was closeted in the tent at 4:30 pm, April 21, 1836, with General Santanna at the time the cry was made: "The enemy! They come! They come!" She detained Santanna so long that order could not be restored readily again.

Since the day that Emily Morgan effectively distracted Santa Anna, she has been immortalized in legend and song as "The Yellow Rose of Texas...the sweetest little rosebud, that Texas ever knew".

Thank you Texas History Books. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:37 PM

6. Paul Clayton sings Folksongs. (dulcimer)

5. "Such a Parcel of Rogues in a Nation"?

Wow, tough quiz Ian. Don't think being Canadian is helping any either!

Good work.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:38 PM

3 Jenny Lind?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:42 PM

I knew that I READ that copyright disclaimer, and I knew it was Woody Guthrie, but I couldn't have told you which song. I believe The Reverend Dodgson was (aka) Lewis Carroll. If The Screwtape Letters was CS Lewis, then we have 2 lewis' so maybe that's part of the answer to #1?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Les from Hull
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 12:54 PM

7 must be William Topaz McGonnigle - poet and tragedian. I learnt all about McGonnigle in dis book writted by the famous Spike Milligan.

The famous Les from Hull


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 01:00 PM

Just a suggestion, as these threads tend to go on for many postings: please copy and paste the questions you are answering, along with your answers, so we all don't have to keep scrolling up and back between the two? My eyes and my head thank you!**BG**


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Les from Hull
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 01:23 PM

2. A carol, not usually sung at Christmas, involves a bridge of sunbeams and a beating. Where did it come from and where did the story originate?

The Bitter Withy, where the young Jesus, fed up with being hassled by some local 'gentlemen's sons' plays a trick on them. He suffers for it later, though, when the BVM gives him a damned good thrashing. The Watersons used to sing a version of this, I recall.

Bitter Withy


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Bert
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 01:53 PM

Would Number 1 be "Twinkle, twinkle little star"?

Hmmm, I'm going to get into trouble here.
But number 8 seems to be confusing two different battles.

The version of Santayanna that I am familiar with is about the battle of Monterey. But the legend of "The Yellow Rose of Texas" refers to the battle of San Jacinto.
And didn't the "The Yellow Rose of Texas" originally go...

"She's the sweetest rose of color, this Darkie ever knew"?

Bert.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 02:08 PM

2. Jenny Lind
5. Parcel of Rogues - aimed at Scots.
6. Might be one here
8. Because. Remember the Alamo?
10. Eric Clapton isn't dead. Don't know
Still working on the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, Sir Hugh S. Roberton and "The Screwtape Letters" author one. Robertson wasn't from Laois, was he?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 02:25 PM

10. Rory Gallagher?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Pete M
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 02:47 PM

Jen Q10 was "who was the lead guitarist", not who was the dead Americam blues singer.

Unfortunately all the ones I knew have already been answered, so its back to the reference books!

Pete M


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST,Dita (at work)
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 03:08 PM

10. A famous american blues musician and singer recorded an album in Surrey, England in 1963, though it was not released until after he died. The Musicians' listing includes Keith Relf "handclapping, shouting and foot tapping". Who was the lead guitarist?

I guess this must be Sonny Boy Williamson who recorded with the Yardbirds, (Eric Clapton was in the band at this time also, I'm pretty sure).
He also recorded with the Animals, as well on the same tour.

love, john.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 03:14 PM

5. A condemnatory poem written by Robert Burns in 1791 was a hit for Steeleye Span and The Corries amongst others. Who was it aimed at?

The Parcel of Rogues were the Scottish nobility who signed the Treaty of Union with England, "we are bought and sold for English gold."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST,Dita ( a t work)
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 03:22 PM

Sorry, the annon. above is me again, (keep forgeting I'm not at home).
love, john.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Mar 01 - 05:19 PM

Pete M...DOH! (Read the question, Jeri.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: IanC
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 04:54 AM

Well done so far. Here's a brief summary of progress.

Nos 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10 you've essentially got. I was thinking of Holly Tannen for the Appalachian Dulcimer, though.

Of the others

1. Good so far, but what's the connection with Hugh Roberton? Get this and you've got the song name too!

2. Bitter Withy is it, but where did it come from?

3. Jenny Lind is right, but why didi she stop singing opera?

4. Most of the answer to this is in a recent thread. The answer's a Scottish Geordie!

7. OK so far, but what was Topaz's special characteristic as a poet?

Full explanations when you get all the answers!

Good luck!
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: MartinRyan
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 05:31 AM

1. Roberton seems to be mainly associated with All in an April Evening and Mingulay Boat song.

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 05:31 AM

1. Lewis Bridal Song. 7. Ametrical doggerel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: IanC
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 09:36 AM

Nearly there with No. 1 ... what's it normally called?

Cheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: alison
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 09:51 AM

1. Mairies wedding = the Lewis bridal song... Screwtape letters was written by C.S. Lewis

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 09:58 AM

Mairi's Wedding. Dont know the connection.

Good Luck,

Ian M.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 10:20 AM

I thought about some connection with the Lewis Bridal Song/Mairi's Wedding (written by Johnny Bannerman in 1935?) but couldn't figure out how Robertson was associated with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 10:30 AM

Hi Jeri, The connection is that the Lewis Bridal Song was a very popular item in the repertoire of the Glasgow Orpheus Choir conducted by Sir Hugh Roberton. But I still do not see the connection with Lewis Carroll and C.S. Lewis.

Good Luck,

Ian M.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: IanC
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 10:50 AM

1. ... Connection's simple enough

Sir Hugh Roberton (1874-1952) was conductor of the famous Orpheus Choir of Glasgow for which he made many choral arrangements of scots songs. He also published songs of the Isles (1950), a collection of traditional tunes for which he invented English words. 'Mairi's Wedding'(the Lewis Bridal Song), 'Westering Home' and the 'Mingulay Boat Song' were all popularized by Roberton and they remain perennial favourites.

Cheers!!!
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 10:56 AM

Aw...should have given me another few minutes. Just found this thread:

The song was written for Mary McNiven by her friend Johnny Bannerman in Gaelic and first played to her at the Old Highlanders Institute in Glasgow for the Mod of 1935. It was translated into English a year later, by Sir Hugh Robertson.

Connection is "Lewis." This is sorta like that "X degrees of separation" game...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: Anglo
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 11:57 AM

2. A carol, not usually sung at Christmas, involves a bridge of sunbeams and a beating. Where did it come from and where did the story originate?

Well, I've always heard that the Bitter Withy story, and related child Jesus tales, were to be found in the Pseudepigrapha, specifically in the so-called "infant gospels." I never found the story though, so I eagerly await the correct answer, page references please.

The "popular" versions seem to be collated from versions collected by C. Sharp.

I sing it at Christmas, so where does the "not usually sung at Christmas" come from? (Sharp got his two versions in September and April, but I don't think you can go by that).


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: IanC
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 12:59 PM

Anglo

This is what I have - more what it isn't than what it is - and it seems you are right!

It should perhaps be noted that this event has no place in the Bible, nor even in the (known) apocryphal gospels (though it reminds one of various events in the "Infancy Gospel of Thomas," which also contains some rather nasty miracles). The bridge of sunbeams is a commonplace in religious art.

The song has been collected mainly in W. England (earliest collected 1905).

It has the same plot as "The Holy Well" (earliest collected 1833)

By "Not usually sung" I was meaning that it's not one of your run-of-the-mill Christmas carols rather than it's sung any other time. That's the trouble with a negative like that, it's easy to make assumptions about what it means.

I'm still looking for more information about this one, so let me know if you get any more!

Cheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: IanC
Date: 14 Mar 01 - 01:25 PM

Well, No. 4 is the only one you haven't had a go at so far. Any ideas about Denis Murphy and Westering Home?

Not quite there with Jenny Lind or McGonagal either!

Cheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: IanC
Date: 04 May 01 - 08:32 AM

Hi

Just realised that I never really finished this one and I'm feeling a bit guilty.

For the first time, you didn't finish all the questions - though you got pretty much the lot for 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10.

Nobody seems to have got near #4 and you didn't really finish #3 and #7. Here's my bit for them.

3. Jenny Lind apparently stopped singing Opera in favour of popular songs "For Religious Reasons" (don't ask me what they could be)!

4. The answer is Geordie Mackintyre (or "The Muckin' o' Geordie's Byre"). Denis Murphy adopted the tune so that, in Kerry, it was known as "Denis Murphy's Slide". The same tune is also the basis of "Westering Home".

7. Topaz was justly famous for his appaling poetry. So much so that he is still regarded as the world's worst poet.

Cheers!
Ian


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Subject: RE: BS: Ian's Mudcat Quiz #3
From: GUEST,Scabby Doug At work - seemingly cookieless
Date: 04 May 01 - 12:01 PM

I thought that Topaz was William McGonagall's midle name. Was unaware that he wrote under the soubriquet of "Topaz" alone....

Come to think of it that's one helluva name for a wee Dundee laddie. Wonder if he made it up?

Just a thought..

SD


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