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Subject: H2O v Coke From: GUEST,colwyn dane Date: 17 Mar 01 - 10:30 PM Hi folks,
Water vs. Coke
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: John Routledge Date: 17 Mar 01 - 10:38 PM Right about dehydration. I drink water-no coke. GB |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: catspaw49 Date: 17 Mar 01 - 10:39 PM Gee Colwyn, that's why Coke is #1............It has so many uses. You didn't think people drank the stuff did you? YOU haven't been drinking it have you? I mean it is drinkable of course, but it requires massive quantities of Jack Daniels or Bacardi's to make it palatable. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: CarolC Date: 17 Mar 01 - 10:41 PM My dictionary says that phosphoric acid used to be used as a flavoring in soft drinks. I don't have any coke in the house. Does it list phosphoric acid on the label? |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: katlaughing Date: 17 Mar 01 - 10:58 PM Not only that it leeches your bones of calcium, so young girls and women who drink any carbonated srinks are MUCH more likely (almost guaranteed) to get osteporosis in later life. And, that is NO picnic. My 90 year old aunt it losing her life broken bone by broken bone because she's become so brittle with osteoporosis, so whatver we cn do to prevent that we should. All she did was shift in bed the other day and there went another vertebra. Thanks, Colwyn...I am doing my gallon a day of water and love it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Matt_R Date: 17 Mar 01 - 11:34 PM I drink one Coke a day...and have iced tea the rest of the time! But I love my Coke...better than Pepsi. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Mark Clark Date: 17 Mar 01 - 11:49 PM I found the folowing piece in the Inventors and Inventions section of the Enchanted Learning Web site.
Dr. John Stith Pemberton (1830-1888) was an American pharmacist, soldier, and inventor. He invented Coca-Cola on May 8th, 1886 in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. He had invented many syrups, medicines, and elixirs before, including a very popular drink called French Wine of Coca, which contained French Bordeux wine, cocaine, and caffeine (from the kola nut). I thought you all might enjoy it. - Mark
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Mark Clark Date: 17 Mar 01 - 11:54 PM Oops... missing quote mark. I'll try it again. I found the folowing piece in the Inventors and Inventions section of the Enchanted Learning Web site.
Dr. John Stith Pemberton (1830-1888) was an American pharmacist, soldier, and inventor. He invented Coca-Cola on May 8th, 1886 in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. He had invented many syrups, medicines, and elixirs before, including a very popular drink called French Wine of Coca, which contained French Bordeux wine, cocaine, and caffeine (from the kola nut).I thought you all might enjoy it. - Mark
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Mar 01 - 12:00 AM .....and if you're in Atlanta, they have a great museum! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: gnu Date: 18 Mar 01 - 12:05 AM Per Mark Clark : Pemberton became partners with Frank Robinson and David Roe, but the partners soon began to quarrel and Pemberton soon sold his interest in Coca-Cola. Cocaine is no longer an ingredient of Coca-Cola (since it is now illlegal), but caffeine, sugar, citric acid, and fruit oils remain. Could all these drugs be responsible for the "cola wars" ? gnu |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Mark Clark Date: 18 Mar 01 - 12:21 AM And don't forget, it was Coca-Cola that invented the red-suited character we know as Santa Claus. It was all for an ad campaign. It turned out to have more commercial value than the Coca-Cola folks ever dreamed. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: flattop Date: 18 Mar 01 - 12:27 AM CBC Radio's Danny Finkleman pointed out that coke is a great value at today's prices. It cost more per ounce in the 1920s then it does today. With inflation devaluing money, Danny feels that coke is the bargin of our age. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Mr Red Date: 18 Mar 01 - 07:15 AM My neice, a food technologist, was so matter of fact when I told her I was happy to forego drinking phosphoric acid for the whole of my life (so far). Phosphoric acid raises the ph but adds less taste than other acids like ascorbic (vitamin C). It is THE rust cleaner of choice for cars' manufacturers. Oh! OK! I have to admit to a sip or two when picking up the wrong drink. How else would I know I can't stand any cola? Acquired taste it is, definitely. But who says fashion was ever functional or good? Coffee has less caffein I believe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Dan Calder Date: 18 Mar 01 - 07:46 AM And this was in this morning's paper. Honest. Dan Coke on tap a daft dream By Rupert Steiner / The Sunday Times London - It may be just a pipe dream, but Douglas Daft, the chief executive of Coca-Cola, is planning to compete with water by channelling Coke through taps in customers' homes. He has sunk venture-capital funding into an innovations unit based in New York that has created a system to mix carbonated water with Coke's secret syrup and pipe it around houses. It would be mixed inside homes rather than pumped in from an external source. Daft does not see Pepsi as his main competitor. He will be happy only when people are turning on taps in their homes to drink Coke rather than water. In an exclusive Sunday Times interview, he revealed his idea but says it is not yet ready to be launched. "Yes, we have developed a prototype," he said. "You would have water mixing automatically with the concentrate and then connect it all up so that when you turn on your tap, you have Coke at home. "There's a lot more to it than that to ensure quality," Daft said. "It has to be a sealed unit so people can't alter the formula to destroy the value of the brand," he added. Businesses already have closed systems. Pubs and branches of McDonald's restaurants have stored the raw materials in basements and produced Coke on the spot for years. But Daft is keen to take the product a step further when the time is right. "There's not a market yet," he said. "People still like to physically go and buy things, but one day, yes, this will be a reality." He has also sunk $1.25 million into an innovations unit that is trying to develop something called "Coke space" - an area where teenagers can hang out. "It is being funded and developed in Europe," he said. "The unit is trying to define what a 'Coke space' means to a teenager, so we can provide something that a teenager would want to come to." The project began with the idea that teenagers like to hang out by standing beside telephone booths because there is nowhere else for them to go where they feel comfortable. Daft says: "Teenagers do like to sit down and chat about intelligent things and they need to have somewhere to do that, so it came from that idea. "We believe it will make a material difference to our revenues at least indirectly because it will make us a better brand. "There is a chance that it may even add a revenue stream." |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: GUEST,FORTUNATO Date: 18 Mar 01 - 08:12 AM Thanks for the information, Colwyn. Could you please tell me where you found the research results for breast cancer? |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: aussiebloke Date: 18 Mar 01 - 12:17 PM To sort out the truth from urban legend, seven out of ten Coca-Cola® drinkers prefer Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/cokelore Cheers aussiebloke
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: BEK Date: 18 Mar 01 - 01:57 PM YIKES! I just got up. Am sitting here in front of the PC with my trusty Diet Coke trying to wake up. I'm thinking fun post. NOT! Through the reading, my eyes popped open---in more ways than one. I am having short term memory problems, joint aches, etc. And I'll be 44 in December. For a while there, I could drink 128 oz of Coke per day. The habit got pretty bad when I lived in the great NW and discovered to my dismay that I am solar-powered. Time to kick the habit. Thank you, Colwyn, for the post. One thing I am going to point out to all of y'all is that CAFFEINE IS A DRUG. Having lived in the caffeine fueled NW United States, I can tell you that abuse of this particular drug is going to be a serious problem somewhere down the road. Now, there are espressos sold with 3X the amount of caffeine in them and some people actually drink a triple. Amusing comment on OR for the rest of the US and Europe: You can scarcely find a drive-up automatic teller machine, but you can find a drive-up coffee house almost every mile. Yep, you have to get out in the rain to get money, but cheers---just down the street is a nice coffee shop with a drive in window. BEK |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Mark Clark Date: 18 Mar 01 - 04:39 PM aussiebloke, Thanks for debunking the Coca-Cola myths. I see one myth is that Coca-Cola invented Santa Claus, a myth I mistakenly perpetuated in an earlier post. I didn't mean to imply that the character was unknown prior to Coke's famous ad campaign. Saint Nicholas, a very real person, was Archbishop of Myra in Lycia (modern day Turkey) during the fourth century. He is known as "Father among the Saints" and is widely venerated by the Church. The modern commercial character is a blending of St. Nicholas with the folk traditions of northern Europe. But the red suit, not mentioned in Moore's famous poem, didn't show up until rather recently. I should add that the Icon of the real St. Nicholas often represents him in red robes. That may be one explanation for the red suit. Still, it's the Coca-Cola image of the folk character that has become the standard representation and the symbol of the runaway commercialization that seems to have become the true meaning of Christmas in the west. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Mar 01 - 05:02 PM Yeah, Coke. I was utterly addicted to the poisonous stuff all through my childhood and adolescence. Drank it every day in copious quantities. I more or less kicked that habit right around the time I took up drinking coffee! Another poisonous, addictive drink. Water is the REAL THING. I am drinking more of it now, and I intend to keep doing so. Thanks for the reminder. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: tiggerdooley Date: 19 Mar 01 - 02:43 AM I'm back on the water as of right now!!! I managed to wean myself off the Coke about a year ago, and I started to enjoy water (boiled water is relly good for you first thing in the morning.) However, my flatmate still hasn't got over her addiction, so I started indulging again a while back. I stopped drinking tea and coffee altogether last year, because I drank so much while studying for my finals at uni, that I think it was slowly killing me! Now, I cant have more than one cup in a day, or I get trembling hands, headaches and palpitations!!!!! Suppose it's a good deterrent.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: KingBrilliant Date: 19 Mar 01 - 05:16 AM Kat - when you say that carbonated drinks leach the calcium from the bones - does that include carbonated water? Sorry to hear about your aunt - that must be terrible for her, and aweful for the family as well. Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Fortunato Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:07 PM I'm afraid the cancer prevention information about water is given above is as dubious as the urban legends about coke. Drinking lots of water is a good thing, but don't buy the cancer connection, it's based on unproven assumptions. I checked. Fortunato |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Bill D Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:13 PM I try not to overdo it, but when I wants my Pepsi, I wants my Pepsi!...(Coke is a LAST resort) (now when they pipe BEER directly to my house, they'll have something!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: mousethief Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:25 PM If you are having a hard time with the dry heaves, the medicine of choice is Emetrol(TM). Active ingredient: phosphoric acid. Phosphoric acid is GOOD for your stomach, not bad for it. As a matter of fact, the acids produced in your stomach are stronger than just about anything you could possibly put in it. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Wesley S Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:30 PM I work with someone who says she NEVER drinks water. Cream soda is her drink of choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Kim C Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:33 PM I would think any carbonated beverage could behave the same way. Of course, anything to excess can be harmful. Personally, I like diet ginger ale. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: mousethief Date: 19 Mar 01 - 12:40 PM My poison of choice is grapefruit soda (acid upon acid!). Other sodas are too sticky-sweet. Current fave is Citra, by the Coca-Cola company. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Mar 01 - 01:10 PM I can believe there are people out there who never drink water. It's amazing what marketing can do isn't it? Pathetic is what it is. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: BEK Date: 19 Mar 01 - 04:04 PM Citra---I wonder if that's the same thing as Fresca here in the US? Love that stuff. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: mousethief Date: 19 Mar 01 - 04:04 PM No. Fresca is artificially sweetened. Citra is sweetened with the same sugar-and-or-corn-syrup that Coke is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Kim C Date: 19 Mar 01 - 04:38 PM Fresca is what you call a "diet" drink. I have seen Citra but never had it myself. Fresca seems to have improved over the years, though... I used to think it was really vile but I'll have one now and then. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: mousethief Date: 19 Mar 01 - 04:45 PM Try Citra. Delish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: guinnesschik Date: 19 Mar 01 - 05:24 PM I, too, have known folks who refuse to drink water. It's amazing when you consider the artificial ingredients in sodas, particularly diet sodas, not to mention the sodium. I allow myself a Coke or two a week, but won't allow my daughters to drink dark sodas at all. My personal favorite soft drink, however, is Caer Idris Ginger Beer, which is kinda hard to come by here in Texas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Mar 01 - 05:27 PM Tigger - funny that, you've just described my symptoms, and I've just CUT my cola intake by 1/2, by not drinking it at work. Also means that when the dizzy spells, and palptations allow, I fall asleep at my desk!!! Maybe it 's the chocolate then...... And coke will dissolve a tooth left in the glass in less than a week. So don't put your teeth in it, use a tooth cleaning solution....! It's true, we did it in Chemistry at school..... For all those who drink decaffinated coke and take paracetamol - what do you think they do with the caffine they've taken out? They make paracetamol with it!!! Incidentally, it can be used as a quick fix for diabetics in need of a sugar boost, or migraine sufferers and asthmatics, as it expands the vessels that carry blood to the brain and oxygen to the lungs. Could also explain why I've been really wheezy this past 3 weeks, since I gave it up....... LTS
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: KingBrilliant Date: 20 Mar 01 - 04:55 AM Lts - do we have to call you Liz the Wheeze now then? (Hope you're feeling better soon) Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: KingBrilliant Date: 20 Mar 01 - 04:55 AM Lts - do we have to call you Liz the Wheeze now then? (Hope you're feeling better soon) Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: MichaelM Date: 20 Mar 01 - 07:48 AM About ten years ago Coke was about to launch a campaign to tout itself as a breakfast drink. THey canceled the campaign when they realized two things: a significant percentage of the population would be revolted by the idea of Coke for breakfast (to the point of boycotting it altogether) and most of the rest of the population was already having Coke for breakfast. They have started to ask patients in pre-op if they consume coffee, tea or caffeinated soft drinks. Hospital staff realized that patients were having poor post-op recovery because long operations followed by long periods of recovery in post-op were sending the patients into caffeine withdrawal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Mooh Date: 20 Mar 01 - 07:57 AM I am an inveterate Diet Coke consumer. Sometimes more, sometimes less, anytime of day (though not in the evening) and I rarely drink other soft drinks. I have quit DC a couple of times, switching to water, Diet 7up or Diet Sprite in the process, but I usually return to Diet Coke. I know it's the cafeine I crave. One thing I try to do is replace the second and subsequent drinks with water. My theory is that after the first cafeine fix, water will quench my thirst better. I am suspicious that DC actually increases my thirst somehow, a marketing technique to make me drink more of the stuff. Besides, water's cheaper. An aside here...I don't live too far from Walkerton Ontario where thousands of people were affected by tainted water, and several died by drinking their tap water last year. This is one of the great tragedies of our time. The world's greatest resource has been polluted/infected at its source. Water is good for us, and like most things which are good for us, we don't treat it with respect. Peace. Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Mr Red Date: 20 Mar 01 - 08:01 AM Liz the Squeak I think caffeine makes the heart beat faster and hence pumps more blood around oxygen to the brain and migraine relief, doesn't work for me. And causes those palpatations. What you described is a vaso-dilatory effect that (acetacylic acid) asprin and paracetemol produce. Alcohol is vaso-dilatory. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Rick Fielding Date: 20 Mar 01 - 08:01 AM Darn it, everything that was supposed to be bad for me when I was a kid, seems to have been proven harmless, and everything good, is now a killer. Seems like battling statistics. All I know is that on a hot day there ain't nuthin' better than ice tea. For a period of about ten years I LIVED on the stuff. Love that water too. What I can't stand are ANY diet drinks...just don't like the taste. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: reggie miles Date: 20 Mar 01 - 09:27 AM Caffeine, yuck! Coke, Pepsi, coffee, they've all used similar advertising gimmicks to get us hooked on the stuff. Much the same as the tobbaco industry they stick a can or cup in every movie star's hand they can think of and when they run out of contemporaries they create their own, so they don't have to pay royalties I suspect, even poor old St. Nick isn't immune. I used to hang out with some bandmates that would spend hours each morning getting wired at the local dispenser of the bottomless cup before they could get up the stuff to engage in musical matters and/or life in general. I never would touch the stuff until one day, when I noticed I was paying alot more trying to keep up by purchasing hot chocolate from the same. I tried it and found that by drowning the swill in what sweeteners and cream like substances that could be had that I could actually stomach the taste. This habit became one that just led to further abuse of the jump that the caffeine provided. Before long I was on the roller coaster ride that consuming it provides and I adopted all the familiar jargon and mannerisms to go along with it. Finally I came to my senses and recognized what I was caught up in. I think it was my first experience with caffeine withdrawl symptoms. Once I was free of the effects, I realized how much natural energy I had and that I didn't need to use the stuff to get a boost. Maybe I was just more apt to fall into a pattern of wanting higher doses of caffeine because there doesn't seem to be anyone warning about it's dangers. I drink lots of filtered water now and have never felt better or had more energy. I'm surprised at how many stimulants are used in various products in our market places. Candy mints and vitamins are a couple that I've noticed recently that are now containing so called energy boosters. Just fancy wording for ....you guessed it. The popularity of sleep aids has arisen recently too. Hmm.....naw, there couldn't be a connection. ;o) |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Mrrzy Date: 20 Mar 01 - 09:42 AM I like caffeine, but since I've gotten on antidepressants, it makes me incredibly irritable. I drink caffeine-free Coke (don't like Pepsi, tastes like melted Kraft caramels to me), and I add lime or lemon to cut the sweetness. I with they'd make something like Fresca without the artificial sweeteners - I also like to drink selzer with a little orange or grapefuit juice in it. I'd like a soft drink that was carbonated, not caffeinated, and not sweet, but they don't make any yet. So I make my own. Canada Dry ginger ale + orange juice tastes almost like Orangina, which is fairly nonsweet as carbonated drinks go. (It doesn't if you use Schweppes ginger ale, or anything else I've tried, it has to be Canada Dry.) I also like selzer with a splash of whatever juice boxes we have around, especially grape or cherry. But I have finally taught myself to like selzer, even plain, which I consider to give me the water I don't drink. Not soda water, which has salts in it. And about the post before mine, I do wonder about that! Here I am on thyroid uppers and now they want me to try sleeping aids for the fact that I can't sleep through anything any more... but they don't want to decrease my dosage of uppers, so it does seem to be an infinite spiral or something... |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Bagpuss Date: 20 Mar 01 - 10:19 AM If I want something sweet and fizzy I stick to Irn Bru (made in scotland from girders). I read a while ago that Scotland is the only country where Coca-cola is out sold by another soft drink! Good for the Scots! Also, anyone who is dieting, using diet drinks is counter productive, as it actually makes you more hungry. Your taste receptors tell your brain that there is something sweet coming, and as far as your body is concerned, sweet means sugar. So the body anticipates a sugar rush by reducing glucose in the bloodstream. When the sugar doesnt actually arrive, you are left with low blood sugar and will tend to eat more calories compared with if you had a sugary drink, or water. Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Wavestar Date: 20 Mar 01 - 05:08 PM It may be good for the Scots as far as marketing resistance, Bagpuss, but otherwise, Irn Bru is the most disgusting soft drink I've ever encoutered. It's flourescent orange, smells like liquid bubble gum (and tastes like it too, I'm given to believe, I won't let it near me), contains chemicals that the FDA (who let us eat hot dogs and twinkies) wont allow in food in the US, and will stain the skin a bright orange that doesn't wipe off. *shudder* Myself, I drink very few things. Water, milk, hot chocolate, and, sad to say, Dr Pepper. I blame it on my parents, it's the only soda they drink. But I only drink it when I'm in America, since British Dr Pepper is twice as sweet, so that's only three or four months of the year. And root beer, but they don't have that in Britain. I drink sparkling elderflower or apple sometimes on special occasions, but not usually... that leaves me, most of the time, with water and milk. Somehow, poor little me, I survive. I think it's very strange that people don't like water, though. Nothing's quite as refreshing. I've heard people say it tastes bad, or boring, seen ads that say "make water more interesting!" or "make water taste good!" and I don't understand... I know people who hate it, but it's what we live on! There's no accounting for taste. -J
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: SINSULL Date: 20 Mar 01 - 05:13 PM Hello. My name is Mary and I am a caffeine addict. Mary ( dead serious) |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Kim C Date: 20 Mar 01 - 05:23 PM About Coke for breakfast... when I was in college on an international study trip (to London!) one of my fellow students ate potato chips and Coke for breakfast. She was 25 at the time, a little bitty thing, and said that had been her breakfast of choice since she was a wee lassie. Our cook at the house we were staying said his little girls wanted to visit America really bad so they could have Coke and crisps for breakfast too! The college cafeteria's coffee was SO BAD (coffee-scented brown water, like AGent Cooper on Twin PEaks used to say) that I would have cola with my breakfast. Bagpuss, I have never had that particular experience with a diet soda... probably because I am usually eating something with it, and probably also because I drink them very rarely. At home I will have a diet ginger ale (or glass of wine!) with supper, but at work all day it's coffee and water. We have a filtered water dispenser in my office that's just Fab. Also I drink plenty of water when I work out, and at hot outdoor events like camping or whatever. I rarely have a fully-leaded soda anymore as I do not want to gain back the 16 lbs I lost. I do make exceptions for Sonic's Cherry Limeade, though, and summer's comin! Water is your friend! My theory is this, though... a lot of people's tap water tastes disgusting, and there are others who don't want to pay for drinking water. So they end up not having any. Decent drinking water can be found, though, for under $1 a gallon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: mousethief Date: 20 Mar 01 - 06:12 PM Let's hear it for Brita. Found a pitcher in a 2nd hand store for $2. Bought the filter. Happy days. REmember the old adage: piss clear, sing clear. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: kimmers Date: 20 Mar 01 - 06:36 PM The Snopes link is definitely worth checking out. They debunk the 8-glasses-of-water-a-day myth as well. Water is indeed good for you. Soda, fruit drinks, non-carbonated soft drinks are all full of empty calories, and cola will make you belch like a cow. There's nothing particularly evil about them beyond that. And Alex is right: your own stomach acid has a far more acidic pH than any cola. As far as the caffeine goes: Tea has about half the caffeine of regular coffee in a serving of the same volume. A 12 ounce can of cola has about 1/4 the amount of caffeine as that contained in a cup of coffee. Chocolate has even less. It's a commonly held myth that tea and cola have more caffeine than coffee, but it just ain't true. The caffeine info is from PoisonDex, the national toxins database. |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: reggie miles Date: 20 Mar 01 - 07:22 PM That's good to know. Thanks kimmers! |
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Subject: RE: BS: H2O v Coke From: Wavestar Date: 20 Mar 01 - 09:15 PM While the acid isn't bad for your stomach, kimmers, it sure ain't great for your teeth. But then, your dentist has been telling you that since you were small. -J |