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Lyr Req: Right, Wrong or Ready (Major Wiley)

GUEST,broussel@chez.com 18 Mar 01 - 06:20 AM
Matthew Edwards 05 Aug 01 - 10:39 AM
GUEST,Stefan Wirz 05 Aug 01 - 01:03 PM
Matthew Edwards 05 Aug 01 - 01:27 PM
Matthew Edwards 05 Aug 01 - 02:49 PM
Stewie 05 Aug 01 - 08:55 PM
Matthew Edwards 05 Aug 01 - 09:22 PM
GUEST,Jack B.Burness 29 Apr 08 - 01:28 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 29 Apr 08 - 01:38 PM
GUEST,Helena Shayer 16 Aug 10 - 10:21 AM
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Subject: Karen Dalton lyrics
From: GUEST,broussel@chez.com
Date: 18 Mar 01 - 06:20 AM

Hello, I'm looking for the lyrics to Karen Dalton's 'Right, Wrong or Ready'from the album 'It's so hard to tell who's going to love you the best'(1969, reissued 1999).

Thanks benoit roussel


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Subject: RE: Karen Dalton lyrics
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:39 AM

Refreshing this request. I've tried listening to the lyrics on her reissued CD, but I can't make out enough for a transcription. The notes to the CD describe the song as obscure: "written by Major Wiley, a Greenwich Village guitarist, singer, and songwriter. He was African-American, which made him a rarity in the folk movement at the time. A good performer and perceptive writer, he had disappeared from view by the end of the sixties." [notes by John Platt]
From searches all I can find out about Wiley is that he toured Britain at some time, and made a good impression, but I can't find any reference to any recordings he may have made. Unusually, the CD doesn't list a publisher for the lyrics, so that avenue is closed off.


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Subject: RE: Karen Dalton lyrics
From: GUEST,Stefan Wirz
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:03 PM

At least at *one* occasion Major Wiley has been recorded: On the 1964 album 'Hootenanny At The Bitter End' (FM FMLP-309) he's called upon the stage by (the late) Fred Neil to join him singing on 'Linin' Track', which eventually ends as an extended version of 'Grizzly Bear'; more info on that album at my Fred Neil discography .
A google search brought forth that at cdnow you can buy a 'single' called 'Fare Thee Well' by one Major Wiley (don't know if this is *the* Major Wiley we're talking about, but according to the song title this could very well be so - anyone knows this release?)


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Subject: RE: Karen Dalton lyrics
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:27 PM

Stefan; it was your article on Karen Dalton that started me hunting! My google search for Wiley wasn't any help, but I've followed up your cdNow reference; it doesn't say much, does it? No label, no artist info.
I have got most of the words to the song now; I'll keep listening, and post what I've got, and maybe you or someone else can correct it and add any missing bits.


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Subject: Lyr Add: RIGHT, WRONG OR READY (Major Wiley)
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 02:49 PM

Here's a provisional version; please allow for mondegreens,etc.

Right,Wrong or Ready

1. I could have told him about the moment[?morning],
The day might always come back.
I could have told him that he'd be first thing on my mind.
He's stayed on my mind, he's stayed on my mind.

2. I could have told him about another time,
Another place may be better in a while,
And our love might be better right, wrong or ready,
Right, wrong or ready.
If he's right, wrong or ready, he's stayed on my mind.

3. I could have told him about me,
Wait if only for some time,and its only for a short moment,
Right, wrong or ready, right, wrong or ready,
He's stayed on my mind.
He's stayed.

4. I could have told him about the morning;
About how it always comes back.
I could have told him that he'd be first thing on my mind.
He's stayed on my mind.
If he's right, wrong or ready, he's stayed on my mind.
He's stayed on my mind.
He's stayed.

Words by Major Wiley

Sung by Karen Dalton ("Queen of the Cock and Bull on bygone Bleecker street" :Peter Stampfel)

Please correct any mistakes. This is the nearest I can manage, and I'm still not confident its right.


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Subject: Lyr Add: RIGHT, WRONG OR READY (Major Wiley)
From: Stewie
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 08:55 PM

Hi Matthew, the following is what I hear. I used your transcription and made changes to what I hear. It seems we are transcribing from different recordings because the words of stanza 3 are totally different. In first and last verse, it sounds to me like 'restin'', but it could be 'first thing'.

RIGHT, WRONG OR READY
(Major Wiley)

1. I could have told him about the morning
The daylight always dawning
I could have told him that he'd be restin' [first thing] on my mind
He's stays on my mind, mmmm, he's stays on my mind

2. I could have told him about another time,
Another place maybe later, oh
I'm gonna love you better, right, wrong or ready,
Right, wrong or ready
If he's right, wrong or ready, he's stays on my mind.

3. I could have told him about a man,
[Who] Pays his own dues for his own price
And is home before his own woman
Right, wrong or ready, right, wrong or ready
He stays on my mind, he stays

4. I could have told him about the morning
The love light always dawning
I could have told him that he'd be restin' [first thing] on my mind.
He's stays on my mind.
If he's right, wrong or ready, he stays on my mind.
He's stays on my mind, he stays

Source: Karen Dalton 'It's so hard to tell who's going to love you the best' Koch KOC CD 7981.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Karen Dalton lyrics
From: Matthew Edwards
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 09:22 PM

Thanks Stewie. I struggled to make sense of the third verse; what I wrote down seemed close to what I thought she sang, but my hearing isn't too good anyway. I guess we're getting close; your text looks to make sense. My recording is from Megaphone CD MEGA 03, which I think is the same as the Koch. Oddly Megaphone has an address quite close to where I live, I'll try to make contact. Their only other issue I can trace is of the Liverpool singer, ex-Shack & Pale Fountains, Michael Head who uses a lot of material from Arthur Lee of Love. Interesting.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Right, Wrong or Ready (Major Wiley)
From: GUEST,Jack B.Burness
Date: 29 Apr 08 - 01:28 PM

Hi

I remember seeing Major Wiley perform live on two occasions in Newcastle upon Tyne, england, must have bee about 1972 or 1973. He performed solo at a couple of local folk clubs, he was pretty good and very entertaining. I beleive he may have been living in the UK for a while back then and possibly getting a few small acting parts. We talked for a while after one of his gigs, he was a nice guy.

Jack B.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Right, Wrong or Ready (Major Wiley)
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 29 Apr 08 - 01:38 PM

He was living in north London in late 1972 - I got to know his then-partner briefly when we taught at the same school, and I visited them once in (?)Priory Road. Amazing talent, and yes, a very nice guy, totally unaffected. I remember seeing his name around various London venues - he used to play at the Three Horsehoes in Hampstead, among other gigs, and probably the Troub too. I'm astonished he didn't become the huge name he deserved to be. (Not pushy enough, maybe?) Anybody have any more recent info?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Right, Wrong or Ready (Major Wiley)
From: GUEST,Helena Shayer
Date: 16 Aug 10 - 10:21 AM

Major Wiley and I sang together during the 70s...We met at Trent Park. Loved that man. Last time I heard from him was around 79 or 80 when he called me in NY...he was visiting family, I had just started living there.
I would love to locate him again. Can't seem to find where his is.........anyone got any idea? Is he still in London or back in the States?
Helena
516-503-3225


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Right, Wrong or Ready (Major Wiley)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 10 - 08:45 PM

i think in the 3rd part:

3. I could have told him about a man,
[Who] Pays his own dues for his own price
And is home before his own woman
Right, wrong or ready, right, wrong or ready
He stays on my mind, he stays


"Pays his own dues for his own crimes" instead of "price"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Right, Wrong or Ready (Major Wiley)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 10 - 12:14 AM

hello! i was a friend of major wileys back in greenwich village in the sixties. with fred neil.
do you know if he is still alive and how to find him? and his nieces i knew well. ernestine and doris.
laura
loma64@yahoo.com


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