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Second Chances. Do you give them?

Jim Krause 23 Mar 01 - 03:51 PM
Bernard 23 Mar 01 - 03:44 PM
GUEST,Sam Pirt 23 Mar 01 - 03:37 PM
GUEST,Midchuck upstairs 23 Mar 01 - 03:34 PM
Pseudolus 23 Mar 01 - 03:28 PM
Kim C 23 Mar 01 - 03:13 PM
gnu 23 Mar 01 - 03:07 PM
Mooh 23 Mar 01 - 02:59 PM
Clinton Hammond 23 Mar 01 - 02:53 PM
hesperis 23 Mar 01 - 02:45 PM
Morticia 23 Mar 01 - 02:45 PM
Wesley S 23 Mar 01 - 02:44 PM
late 'n short 2 23 Mar 01 - 02:40 PM
catspaw49 23 Mar 01 - 02:38 PM
Mountain Dog 23 Mar 01 - 02:37 PM
Amos 23 Mar 01 - 02:36 PM
gnu 23 Mar 01 - 02:36 PM
Wesley S 23 Mar 01 - 02:35 PM
Morticia 23 Mar 01 - 02:34 PM
GUEST,marty D 23 Mar 01 - 02:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Jim Krause
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:51 PM

Martin, I have experienced the falling out part of your story, but have been waiting all my life for the other part. It ain't gonna happen in this life, it looks like.

But would I give her a second chance? Well, I can't. Not really. I married some one else.

But I have to admit, it would be nice to get a letter telling me what really happened from her point of view. So, I made one up for myself and wrote it in a song. Here is the lyric:

I'm Sorry
© 2000 by James R. Krause
Old Sod Shanty Music, BMI

1. Dear Dave, I thought I'd write
Well it's been so many years.
But lately I've had thoughts about you
No matter what I do
The thoughts won't go away
But I don't know how to say
I'M SORRY

2. I guess you heard the news
It's ironic, don't you think?
The love of my life has left me.
And now I know the pain
I left with you that day
But I don't know how to say
I'M SORRY

Bridge:I'm sorry for refugees
And victims of disease
Homeless and hungry children.
I'm sorry for all my lies,
And now I realize
I'm sorry I walked away
Yours, Barbara.

3. I folded up the page
And quickly went inside
The wind was blowing so much colder.
It stung my cheeks and eyes
As the sky began to gray,
I wished that I could say,
I'M SORRY

Bridge:I'm sorry for refugees
And victims of disease
Homeless and hungry children.
I'm sorry for ev'ry curse
That made our life the worse
But I don't know how to say
I'M SORRY

Your Somebody wants a second chance? Lucky you.
Jim


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Bernard
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:44 PM

I always do, and the third, fourth, fifth...

It's me that doesn't seem to get the second (and even more often the first) chance...

I'm not bitter... H U M P H !!


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: GUEST,Sam Pirt
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:37 PM

YES, Always, who knows you may need on one day

Cheers, Sam


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: GUEST,Midchuck upstairs
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:34 PM

Parentheticly, the big news on the flatpick list is that Norman and Nancy Blake have remarried. A few months ago, I guess, but the word just got out.

Norman was quoted as saying "The divorce didn't work out."

Peter.


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Pseudolus
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:28 PM

If the relationship was of the romantic sort, then I would tread lightly but I would still consider the prospect of a second chance if it was what I WANTED. If it's something I NEEDED, then I would actually avoid it until I could feel more comfortable with myself. If on the other hand this was a romance-free relationship but a close friendship then I say full steam ahead (ok, maybe a little caution) but if things don't work out, then you're no worse off then you are now! I agree with Clinton, "ya can't win if ya don't play!"

Frank


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Kim C
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:13 PM

well, it depends. Sometimes they're worth it, sometimes they're not. Only you can decide. Some people do take a long time to come around but that doesn't mean they're not sincere. Give it a try.


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:07 PM

Whoa... Yes, of course, second chances are a given, but this was three years ago. That's 1095.75 chances, no ?

gnu


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Mooh
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:59 PM

I say turn the other cheek. That doesn't mean you can't be cautious, but there's less baggage with forgiveness than with grudges. Give it a second chance, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Peace. Mooh.


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Subject: Second Chances
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:53 PM

It can take say, 5 or 10 years to develop a good friendship and that can be over in a flash...

It's been my experience that to try to put it back together will probably take another 5 to 10 years...

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me...

But ya can't win if ya don't play eh!


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: hesperis
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:45 PM

That really depends. I've given a second chance to someone who used to be a friend and really betrayed that, but our relationship is on quite different terms now, too. We are not trying to be as close as we were, but we are still friends. But the problem happened because she let another "friend" poison her opinion of me. That "friend" has not even asked for a second chance, and I am better off without her as a "friend".


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Morticia
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:45 PM

BTW Martin, is a 'G thread' like a G string but skinnier?


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:44 PM

One other thought - It wouldn't suprise me that if you look back that you had already given a second chance or two to this person before the breakup ever happened.


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: late 'n short 2
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:40 PM

Sometimes looking at it from the other side helps, i.e.: Have you ever been given a second chance? Did you ever wish you had one and didn't get it?


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:38 PM

Second to Amos' post.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:37 PM

Having been the grateful recipient of many a second chance under various circumstances, I do believe in giving them, too. More often than not, when given sincerely, it's a gift that redounds to everyone's benefit.

(You're right, too, about the futility of holding grudges. In fact, if I am honest with myself, I can usually judge the necessity and importance of my offering a second chance to someone based on the degree of self-righteous indignation I find myself harboring about the wrong I perceive having been done me.)


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:36 PM

Second chances, sure. Anyone gets into a weird corner once or twice in a lifetime and says or does things they would never do ordinarily.

Third chances, only rarely, and never if money is involved!

A


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:36 PM

Martin.... A few years ago ????!!!! and only now they can see their error ????!!!! That is not true remorse. If they need help dealing with their problem, they can get it somewhere else.

BTW, if this is a male-female ( or whatever, you know what I mean ) thing, run, run fast and run hard and don't look back. Love can be found, love can be nurtured, love can be a lot of things, but love cannot exist without trust and trust can never be regained after it is broken.

Once bitten, bite back.

gnu


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:35 PM

Holding grudges is futile but I see red flags here. Approach with caution. Make SURE they've worked through whatever it was in the past - don't guess. Or else you'll be worse off than you were in the past. Make sure you have very honest conversations about the past, present and future of the relationship. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: Morticia
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:34 PM

Life's too short is my immiediate thought, and people change....usually not much but often enough.Do it, or you'll always wonder if you should have and that's worse, in my opinion, than knowing you made a mistake.


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Subject: Second Chances. Do you give them?
From: GUEST,marty D
Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:23 PM

I just had a totally surprise visit from someone I was very close to for many years. We had a major falling out a few years ago (doesn't matter what it was, but it was serious) and have only seen each other the odd time on the street or at a concert. This person asked for a second chance regarding our relationship, and I had to keep myself from looking misty-eyed in front of them. All I could think was that this was not the same person who acted so cruelly to me back then. Sure they look pretty much the same, but whatever they were going through then has been worked out I guess, and I certainly feel I want to give them that second chance. Holding grudges just seems so futile, but I know it's the fuel that keeps some people going. Any mudcatters have any thoughts? (and then I'll go back to music and 'G' threads)

Martin


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