Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are

Subject: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 07:43 AM

From your fertile mind come so many intriguing things....tempered wisdom that belied the significance behind your Mudcat name.... But from the beginning of my online interaction with you through the threads, I was to learn that this was your true nature - that your innocent and unspoiled approach to life was sincere, and substantive - not a thin facade over a turmoil of broken links to unreal expectations; and not a fragile veneer camouflaging a particle board mentality; or a hasty shell to contain a churning chaos.

And I wondered how, after looking at you through the screen, that you remained so pure, when surely all your years (as years are wont to do) must've spewed a bitter cloud over your eye from time to time.... I wonder still. The cynics may judge me pretentious in feigning a deeper vision than I actually possess, but I see a woman content in the process of becoming, always in humble awe of her own actualization moment by miraculous moment, never surrendering to the nihilistic shadows Life revives each time She places a jagged stone in her path.

Then, I think that you have discovered a simple but elusive secret: always know who you are and be content with who you'll become, and you'll know how to live.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: GUEST,cretinous yahoo
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 07:48 AM

Well said, but, to whom?

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: GUEST,Greyeyes
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 07:57 AM

Thank you, but actually I am male.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 08:10 AM

I dunno' Greyeyes....Perhaps you could get a sex change or something.................Whadddaya' think? I mean this person has obviously got it on for you and all.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: GUEST,Greyeyes
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 11:15 AM

I'd have to find out who it was before making a decision like that. What if they turn out to be female as well? Still, worth considering I suppose.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 11:23 AM

Well it's obviously not me, and thank the heavens for that.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 11:23 AM

Yeah, I think you have to weigh the possibilities both ways. Perhaps only becoming a transvestite would do. Or maybe if you had the sex change and then cross-dressed..............Lots of possibilities here and perhaps we can get some more information here so we can determine what you should do.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 11:27 AM

I think having a sex change and cross dressing would go completely against the spirit of innocent and unspoiled approach to life as well as pure and sincere.

I could be wrong.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 11:48 AM

Well you have a point there Alex.............Although I think that if you were a woman trapped in a man's body, but still loved the clothes, then having the sex change might help with the pure and sincere part at least.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:09 PM

Well there is that. Still, sex changes aren't innocent and unspoiled approach[es] to life in my book. Pretty complicated and difficult, actually.

Alex

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:12 PM

What about tempered wisdom that belied the significance behind your Mudcat name.... ? A mudcat name that implies simplicity?

Or shouldn't we be delving too deeply...

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Gervase
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:34 PM

OK, OK, I'll have your babies, but only if I get to keep the microwave and the negatives.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:36 PM

Well Guest, I figure the elusive secret is to figure out that no matter what happens, you are always loved. Even if the whole world falls down around you, you are still always love. If you can feel that Truth then you will be content with who you are and who you become.

Little Neo

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: FOG(Friend of Gnome)
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:40 PM

What a heap of flowery bullshit Thank you anyway for reassuring me that healthy scepticism is the way to go

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:42 PM

Aha! 'Little Neo' is certainly a name that is belied by tempered wisdom, and according to photographs and other circumstantial evidence definitely belongs to a woman. Also one who often acts as though she HAS discovered a deeper secret.

I dunno though... maybe this is best left as one of those "Speak for yourself, Will Rogers" items ...

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:45 PM

According to scientific studies of longetivity, optimists live longer than Friends of Gnome.

Li'l Neo: You go, girl!

Alex

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:47 PM

Amos, you're right......It might be Neo. I got sidetracked on Noreen's idea that it was a simplistic name and spent 15 minutes looking for members named Dumbass or Dipshit.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:53 PM

Some have suggested that "catspaw49" is a synonym for Dumbass or Dipshit. But I'm not sure I agree with this cynical interpretation. Besides, you're male.

Alex

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Hollowfox
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:54 PM

Ten thousand cheap comedians in the world...and they all log onto the 'Cat..

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 12:55 PM

Yeah, it does.....But more to the point, I ain't undergoing no sex change operation, what with all the time, effort, and money I've invested in penis pumps.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:02 PM

That's not my bag, baby.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:09 PM

Spaw, your ideas and mine on names that imply simplicity are miles apart... :0)

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:12 PM

"You know who you are" because you know who you are because you know who you are because.....

LOL!

Bizarre Moments!

~Susan

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:18 PM

I'm not aware of too many things.
I know what I know, if you know what I mean.
--- Edie Simon nee Brickell

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Greyeyes
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:33 PM

Did somebody just call me cheap?

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:46 PM

No Greyeyes, I think that was awhile back. We're talking about Edie Brickell getting a penis pump for Paul Simon at the moment.................

Spaw

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:50 PM

"Not my bag, baby."
---Paul Simon

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Greyeyes
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:50 PM

So I am on the right thread then, that's a relief!

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:54 PM

I dunno Greyeyes............Maybe we could all take this to another thread and confuse the hell out of them!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Amergin
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 01:56 PM

Ok, it could be our BonnieBanjoPhyte....but it could be Susan, also...her new name is What You See Is What You Get.....and having spoken to her on the pphone, I think (note the stress on think) I can vouch that she is a woman......

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 02:04 PM

Eric is a simple name- and a simple (ton) though I am not into cross dressing, trans sexuallity and , -before Noreen says it Sheep-thats only a rumour and there's no proof!!!. It might be a cruel joke!!!!! and everyone is examining everybody else-well, not physically-well maybe- I don't know.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 02:27 PM

I don't know guys. It reads to me like one of those on-line astrology sites.Just vague enough to apply to everyone and no one. Either that or Tarheels is romancing Sandytoes again.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 02:39 PM

*sigh* another anon y. mouse

Why can't people have the guts to put a name to their postings?

All in all you're just another blank in the wall

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 03:25 PM

Nath, next time use the regular phone. The pphone is out being cleaned after the MudGather. I mistakenly left it on the floor and one of our guests...

~S~

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: KT
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 06:26 PM

Hey gang, perhaps I've missed something here, but it seems to me that the guest who began this thread was sincere. Yes, he or she was somewhat nebulous and did post anonymously, but perhaps had good reason to do so. That aside, it was a very positive post. I have no idea who the originator of the thread is, or the person being described, but I'd like to know them both! KT

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 06:43 PM

Nah KT....I don't think you missed anything.......We're just killin' time waitin' for the other shoe to drop or something. Beats me who either party is..........maybe they'll be back and tell us. Til then, we need to see if we can find some help for Paul and Edie.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 06:59 PM

Whomsoever It Was Capitalised She.....I Think This Could Be Significant.....

Mine Is A Simple Mudcat Name...

sPOT

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 07:03 PM

The Goddess?

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 07:15 PM

Anonymous compliments rank right up there in level of maliciousness with random acts of kindness. Oh my, who will be next?! This guest could be ANYbody! HAHAHAHA - sphincter factor 9.7 and rising...er, 'scuse me.

That was definitely Bonnie. I agree - wisdom, and a humility often mistaken for naivete. What a twisted thing to have a thread meant as a compliment turned into this. That's just my opinion, though. Feel free to make it the sort of thread you want it to be.

(Hey, Spot - have you noticed I'm having one of those mood swings at the moment?)

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 07:47 PM

I've changed my mind and agree with KT. I still wish people would sign some recognisable name to their postings, but, in this case, I do believe it was meant as a sincere tribute to someone and I am glad of it.

kat

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Justa Picker
Date: 26 Mar 01 - 11:19 PM

I'm in agreement with Sinsull. The instant I read it, I formulated what she has already committed to text.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: guest(intruder-inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 06:45 AM

there are some that confuse "healthy skepticism" and "morbid cynicism".

even if it was pure bs, GUEST, it was well-written and worth the read

to those who suffer the condition captioned above, may i suggest reading the 80th verse of the TaodeChing

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From:
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 07:06 AM

It'd be interesting to see how GUEST feels about what we've done to their declaration of admiration, if that's what it REALLY is! (Sorry, cynicism is such a security blanket sometimes!)

Come on guest, tell us to stop spoiling your thread. Otherwise, who knows where it will end!!!

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Bagpuss
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 09:17 AM

Well its obviously me! How much more simple/innocent/unspoiled a name can you get than a kids tv character from a bye gone age?

(PS if by some strange chance it was directed to me, please tell me, as it seems I *don't* really know who I am....)

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: FOG(Friend of Gnome)
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 09:41 AM

Oh well I guess I am obviously outvoted here. I didnt mean to get so many peoples backs up, just pointing out that to post something as personal as this on a thread is inviting poor lost souls such as me who have lost all faith in humanity (tongue firmly in cheek)to question why. Why doesnt he/she get in touch with him/her as a personal message instead of inviting all this speculation.

It just seems to be a bit daft on a general thread thats all.

To anyone who felt I was being bitter and twisted I apologise. I can assure you that I can see the compassion in people and am quite willing to beleive its a genuine heartfelt tribute and an expression of feelings.The Mudcat is a broad church and perhaps I was a bit hasty in my condemnation.

Sorry folks.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Spud Murphy
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 10:29 AM

I spent a couple of weeks in Gnome, one time, waiting for the fog to lift so we could fly to St. Lawrence Island.

That was before they added the G in front of it.

Spud

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 10:40 AM

shucks, if Dante had sent Beatrice a couple of letters like that, history might have been different!..(my weird mind runs to wondering how long it took to compose that message!)

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: alison
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 11:14 AM

well whoever it was and whoever it was meant for.. wouldn't it have been better in a personal message.. to the person concerned??????

just a thought

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 11:21 AM

Guestguestguest(intruder) suggested we read the 80th chapter of the Tao, but didn't provide us with same. Here it is, for those who wish to see what it's all about.

--------------------------------------------------

Let there be a small country with few people,
Who, even having much machinery, don't use it.
Who take death seriously and don't wander far away.
Even though they have boats and carriages, they never ride in them.
Having armor and weapons, they never go to war.
Let them return to measurement by tying knots in rope.
Sweeten their food, give them nice clothes, a peaceful abode and a relaxed life.
Even though the next country can be seen and its dogs and chickens can be heard,
The people will grow old and die without visiting each others' land.

-----

Not sure what this has to do with the current conversation. Maybe it's a koan.

Alex

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:05 PM

Come on GUEST. I don't wanna turn this into a soap opera, but we're all intrigued. Little Neo or Bagpuss? I know it is a genuine and heartfelt expression of admiration (yes, cynical 'catters, I think it really is!), but you're not risking anything by saying who it is. You may have already sent a personal message by now, so tell me off for being nosey if you want, but I don't get out much and I miss Sunset Beach!

P.S. Maybe Little Neo and Bagpuss could have an honourable duel to win the title 'You know who you are 2000'. Just a suggestion.

Tigger

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: tiggerdooley
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:17 PM

It's been 2001 for quite some time now, hasn't it? I knew that. Ah, to hell with it. It's late. I'm going to bed Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:26 PM

We all make mistakes, Tig. For the longest time in the beginning of 2000 I was still writing "MCM..." on my checks!

Alex

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: annamill
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:30 PM

What's amatter with you people! Obviously guest is talking about ME!!

Cheess!

;-)

Love, annamill

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: gnu
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:34 PM

The G got rid of the fog ? Sounds kinda fogged up. I recall the same incident in Goose Bay, Labrador, about twenty-five years ago, waiting to fly into Nain and Makkovik to build airstrips. Wish to goodness I had had the 'Cats to keep me company back then ! Would have cost a lot less, too !

As for the original post.... neat ! er, cool, er, what's the term today ?

gnu

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:35 PM

Oh come on, Annamill. If he was talking about you, surely he would have said something about your beauty as well?

Alex

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: GUEST,g3(intruder) at work
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:42 PM

UTOPIA

Let your community be small, with only a few people;
Keep tools in abundance, but do not depend upon them;
Appreciate your life and be content with your home;
Sail boats and ride horses, but don't go too far;
Keep weapons and armour, but do not employ them;
Let everyone read and write,
Eat well and make beautiful things.

Live peacefully and delight in your own society;
Dwell within cock-crow of your neighbours,
But maintain your independence from them.


mouse, the translation you quoted is a nearly deliberate attempt to conceal the core of the Tao.
this is spoken as an observation and not a judgement.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:46 PM

Intruder, I can accept that; I just surfed out and grabbed the first one I could find. This explains why it didn't seem to fit the context.

Thanks for the correction. The translation I have at home (Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English) is dearly treasured, dog-eared, and has multiple pencil annotations as I wrestled with various parts of its contents.

closet taoist,
Alex

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 05:52 PM

I'm just so thankful it isn't me. We couldn't have the "World" thinking I am nice, simplistic, wise,(?), pure, etc.now could we?

Sorch the Scorch,
UnReconstructed Bitch.........(it's a joke, son, it's a joke)

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Greyeyes
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 06:15 PM

Does this mean I should cancel the sex change? I've started the hormones now, I need to know.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 06:27 PM

I think it was written from LEJ to Animaterra. It has his height of poetic art in it, and I think she captured his heart when noone was looking!

Either that or Bradypuss is plugging for a Claeigh to call his own!

A

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: GUEST,Ladybug
Date: 27 Mar 01 - 06:28 PM

Well, I thought it was mesmerizingly lyrical. And what's more, women all over the world will wonder if someone wrote it just for them. What a wonderful thing to wake up and do before the morning light is strong...Ladybug

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: GUEST,mazie
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 11:04 PM

i will try again to say that which i wanted, hell man, just tell her that you love her above all else. she is waiting to know that. why are you such a damn fool? Pure and innocent and honest, does it get any better? she loves you doesn't she? Does any body else love you more or better? so, what's the issue? veneer??? crap! Chaos? crap! it is up to you.

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 10:02 AM

Spud how could you snitch??? I spent a couple of weeks in Gnome, one time, waiting for the fog to lift???

Must a'bin one elluva fog - I don't remember a damned thing...

Dave the Gnome Currently in touch with a good lawyer.....

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: Spud Murphy
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 10:26 AM

Dave: And I thought you'd never forget. How could you???

Spud

Subject: RE: Non-Music...Non-BS: You know who you are
From: bflat
Date: 29 Apr 01 - 06:28 PM

One can always live, but what of joie de vivre?

Ellen