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Origin: The Roses of Eyam (John Trevor)

Ian HP 28 Mar 01 - 12:04 PM
MMario 28 Mar 01 - 12:36 PM
Mrs.Duck 28 Mar 01 - 12:41 PM
Noreen 28 Mar 01 - 12:54 PM
Snuffy 28 Mar 01 - 05:23 PM
BanjoRay 28 Mar 01 - 05:42 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 28 Mar 01 - 07:11 PM
Grab 29 Mar 01 - 05:11 AM
Hawker 29 Mar 01 - 04:31 PM
Peter K (Fionn) 29 Mar 01 - 05:52 PM
Jim Dixon 11 Dec 11 - 04:17 PM
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Subject: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: Ian HP
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 12:04 PM

I've just been listening to some old Roy Bailey material and the song 'Roses of Eyam' by John Trevor has just struck me like a thunderbolt. It is from his 1982 'Hard Times' album, reproduced on the collection 'Past Masters'. The song is obviously based on real events, which I would love to find out more about (I plan to sing it), sources, info about the author, etc., if anyone knows.

The story in the song is that in 1665 George Vickers, a tailor in the English village of Eyam, received some material from London which carried the plague. It killed him. The two ministers of religion in the village were Thomas Stanley, a Puritan, and [can't tell name, sounds like "Mompasson"?? - anyone know?], an Anglican, who were theological enemies. In this crisis they worked together, telling the villagers they must build a wall around the village so that all stay and die to contain the plague. They did, leaving 33 out of 360 alive.

It's a very moving song, including a litany of the family names of those who died.

More info? Help, please.


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: MMario
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 12:36 PM

There was a play of that name and telling the story that dates back to at least 1970 - since it opened at several theatres that year.

John Trevor evidently recorded the ballad on a demo record in 1975.

Quite a lot of info on it out on the web.


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 12:41 PM

The village is in Derbyshore and there is a museum there which tells of the sacrifice the villagers made by shutting themselves off from the surrounding areas to avoid the plague spreading. Food was delivered to the boundaries by neighbouring villages but at the end most of the people of Eyam died.


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 12:54 PM

Eyam has more info about the place and its history. Song sounds very interesting, I don't know it. Let us know how you get on, Ian.

Noreen


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: Snuffy
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 05:23 PM

Mompesson


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: BanjoRay
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 05:42 PM

Eyam is a lovely village, which also has a superb maker of banjos and fixer of fiddles called Helmut Rheingans. His website is here if you want to check him out. He's a German who settled here and plays lovely old time clawhammer, and has a workshop where you can go to talk fiddles, banjos, music etc. In fact its time I went again....its about the only reason for going to the Peak District that hasn't been wrecked by the foot and mouth!

Cheers
Ray


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 28 Mar 01 - 07:11 PM

Mompesson was one of the survivors at Eyam and went from there to become Rector of Bilsthorpe (on which village's parish council yours truly is proud to serve) and Eakring. He achieved even greater notoriety (within his lifetime, anyway) at the later living than he achieved at Eyam - by becoming the focus of a long-running ecclesiatical court that sat in judgment on some affair he got embroiled in.

Just outside Eakring (which, incidentally was at the centre of Britain's only onshore oil wells for 30 years from WW2 onwards) there is a stone cross marking a spot once known as Pulpit Ash. It was from this vantage point that Mompesson had to deliver his sermons to the parishioners of Eakring. They would not let him into the village because of the plague connection. Bilsthorpe and Eakring are worth an hour or two if you're anywhere near (between Mansfield, Newark and Ollerton) - which case PM me when you're on your way, and the beer's on me. (In the Stanton Arms if you're NUM, or the miners' welfare if you're a UDM scab. There's no half-way house!)


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: Grab
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 05:11 AM

Ray, you forgot to mention the Three Stags - not far from Eyam, and a VERY good excuse for hitting the Peaks! Didn't realise there was a music shop in Eyam though, I'll have to check that out next time I'm up there.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: Hawker
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 04:31 PM

Ian,
I went to visit the village of Eyam in January, it is a beautiful village nestling in the hills of Derbyshire. The story is that of the song. The Eyam link provided by Noreen is good, but you cannot beat goning there and seeing it for yourself.
These peoples self sacrifice, locking themselves into the village, letting no-one in and no-one out to prevent the plague spreading has extra significance to me at the moment, during this Foot & Mouth outbreak
Eyam had a wonderful effect on me, it has a peace about it, I left there feeling at peace with the world, and humbled by these peoples actions.
I bought a book there called Eyam Plague 1665 - 1666 by John Clifford, it is a little paperback pamphlet, You can contact him at the following addres:
John Clifford, Eyam, Derbyshire
Hope this helps!
Lucy


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Subject: RE: ROSES OF EYAM INFO PLEASE
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 29 Mar 01 - 05:52 PM

I've forgotten the the details of the story, but Mompesson certainly got a bad press for his part in it, somewhere along the line (maybe in a television play?). Does anyone know any more about the suggestion at Noreen's link that he sent his own kids out of the village while the plague was still spreading?


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Subject: RE: Origin: The Roses of Eyam (John Trevor)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Dec 11 - 04:17 PM

There is another thread about this song, and it contains lyrics: Lyr/Chords Req: The Roses of Eyam (John Trevor)


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