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Subject: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 29 Mar 01 - 07:25 PM Clicky (I hope) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 29 Mar 01 - 08:13 PM Dear Carol, "I've been thinking about this one for a while. I haven't read all of the posts, so maybe this has already been addressed....MAV, it sounds like you're saying that it makes more sense to use faucet filters than it does to take good care of our water supply. Is that what you're saying, or am I misreading you?"
Thank you for asking. Let's have a conversation on this topic.
Here is something which is a fact and I don't really like the reality of it.
The way it is now, a city on a river takes water out, filters it, puts chlorine in it and distributes it to the citizens who then drink some of it, take showers in it, put detergent and other chemicals in it, flush toilets with it and consequently return it to the sewer and thus the sewage treatment plant.
The treatment plant then lets it settle, aerates it and adds more chlorine to it and returns it to the river.
So far, so good. OK?
The water now has unknown household chemicals, biological material, human waste and chlorine in it.
At the very least you will have numerous chlorine compounds, cholorform and dioxin in the river water now.
The next town down the river takes in water and adds chlorine to it etc. and on, and on, and on.....I think you probably are starting to get the picture. Each time the concentrations get worse.
Think about the water quality at the end of the line. UGH!
Allow me to repost your question... "it sounds like you're saying that it makes more sense to use faucet filters than it does to take good care of our water supply. Is that what you're saying, or am I misreading you?" Well, yes and no...I wouldn't be caught dead drinking "city water" without a faucet filter (or maybe I would) but as you probably know, I don't live in a city.
Perhaps that's why we have high incidences of certain "American" diseases (cancer etc.)
I'm not sure one can "take good care" of the typical water supply scenario outlined above.
I would think treating the water from a rain barrel would net you a better quality drinking water. I also believe the idea of using the same expensive quality of "drinking" water to flush, water the lawn, wash the car etc. is sheer madness in both financial and pragmatic terms. (Pronounced BILLION$)
Let me close by saying I do not want arsenic in drinking water, mine, your's or anybody else's .
Looking forward to your reply.
Best regards, mav
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 29 Mar 01 - 09:48 PM MAV,
I guess I don't know what the debate is about with regard to drinking water then. I'm having some difficulty finding any difference between your position and the positions of the people who are arguing with you on this subject. Perhaps I've done everyone an injustice by just scanning some of the posts. I do know what you are talking about when you describe the river water scenario. My drinking and bathing water comes from the Potomac River. The water here is terrible. It makes me very sick just taking showers in it, and that's with two filters on my shower. I never drink it. Filters don't get out enough of the contaminants that make me sick. I buy bottled water, although it's a big financial burden for me.
Maybe you're right about it not being possible to take better care of our water. I have to say, though, that I would dearly love for us to try. I'm tired of being sick. Take care, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Ebbie Date: 29 Mar 01 - 09:52 PM Mav, I'm with you on that subject: We need to compel ourselves to put in plumbing, however much it costs, that separates 'white', 'gray' and 'black' water. As it stands (or flows) now, our best water is going into the same sewage systems that treat our most polluted water. If we had had the forethought, when indoor plumbing was first installed- not really so many years ago- to separate the systems, we would readily see the sense of it. And it's not too late. We have a lot to answer for to the next generations. Ebbie
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 29 Mar 01 - 11:38 PM Dear Carol, "Maybe you're right about it not being possible to take better care of our water. I have to say, though, that I would dearly love for us to try. I'm tired of being sick"
I'm not saying it's not possible, they just haven't done it and I don't think we're on the right track.
I'm sorry your water situation is so bad. If you can't get out of there (my water comes from a shallow dug well in the yard), get a water distiller for drinking water and buy mineral supplements from the pharmacy.
Get a sauna and just towel off after. Have someone help you rig up a rainwater collection system to shampoo and bathe. I believe it rains quite a bit there.
I've done this while living in the woods out of necessity, I guess your different (urban) situation could demand similar solutions.
I realize this sounds a little "Mother Earth" but not relying on your poisonous municipal water supply and becoming self reliant could save your life.
Ebbie,
"Mav, I'm with you on that subject"
You're probably with me on lots of subjects, we just never got that far. "As it stands (or flows) now, our best water is going into the same sewage systems that treat our most polluted water"
Not only that, the storm sewers in many cities are required to flow into the sewage treatment plants (which cannot handle the extra capacity) and then just flow untreated raw effluent into rivers.
"If we had had the forethought, when indoor plumbing was first installed- not really so many years ago- to separate the systems, we would readily see the sense of it. And it's not too late" No, but you'd have to change laws or break them, risking a visit from the code enforcement officer. They are so much smarter than us (sarcasm).
There are composting toilet systems from Scandinavia which use no water at all and do not pollute.
Collecting rainwater and treating it on site would be much more efficient and less expensive than the ineffective water treatment methods used now (which is making Carol sick).
I find it hard to believe that household "gray water" is that hard to treat before returning it to the ground (a non-toilet septic tank)
"We have a lot to answer for to the next generations"
That's why I'm so critical of urban problems and the insane conditions one can find there. People just accept them as normal.
Being a "country cousin" I have to fix everything myself, but that gives me a chance to think and experiment. Well folks, it's been nice shootin' the $h!+ (so to speak) but I have to get to bed.
I'm looking forward to having more timely and thoughtful discussions with you on topics of the day. mav out
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:38 AM MAV,
Actually, I've been looking at water distillers the last couple of days, but they are very expensive up front, and they are energy hogs as long as you use them. I'd like to get a small solar panel and a deep cycle marine battery so I can run it off the grid, but these are very high up front costs as well, and I'm on a limited income. A sauna is out of the question, financially, and I can't do the rainbarrel because I live in an apartment. (In a very small town surrounded by farmland.) I haven't figured out exactly what I'm going to do about this yet. That one particular need is competing with a whole lot of other needs that aren't getting met either. I have to decide how I'm going to allocate resources, and I'm finding it very difficult to do that right now.
I appreciate your suggestions, though. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 31 Mar 01 - 04:51 PM Dear Carol, There are many books on the topic, and probably numerous sites online which deal with the subject of solar water distillation.
If you've ever left a piece of plastic wrap or drop cloth on the lawn, you will see the mist and then droplets of water form.
One survival trick is to put poly (plastic sheeting) on a stick frame over a damp area or puddle. You place a stone or other weight in the middle to cause a low spot for water to drip from.
This is especially good for collecting dew.
A more elaborate (but HS science project level) system can be made up of a water tray (lined in black) and a sloping cover of window glass.
The sloping glass needs a little gutter under the bottom edge to catch the water that runs down the inside.
You would need to have sides and a back (could be styrofoam) to make it somewhat airtight and allow heat to build up inside.
The sun heats up the water and causes it to vaporize.
It then condenses on the cooler glass (must be glass, not plexiglass)
The above unit uses no electricity and would require some twiddling to get it dialed in. Since it is totally passive it may need to be made larger to make a usable amount of water.
This is much less complicated and expensive than solar cells and a deep discharge battery since it "cuts out the middleman" by using the sun's heat directly.
You could probably build one that would fit in one of your south facing windows for experimental purposes.
Be sure to use the "Handy Man's Secret Weapon"....(duck tape) Hang in there, mav out
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 31 Mar 01 - 05:35 PM Thanks, MAV.
I've wondered a lot about a solar still. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the phrase "would require some twiddling to get it dialed in". Have you ever messed around with solar stills? I have very little available space and I've been wondering if I have enough room to make a still that would produce as much water as I would need if I were going to use it for showering as well as drinking. (I'm figuring if I use it for showering, I can get one of those portable hanging shower bags, so water delivery wouldn't be a problem) I figure I would probably need about five gallons a day. (I have long hair, and it's very thick and no, I'm not going to cut it off. ;-) Also, I don't have any south facing windows. I have an east facing window. Do you think that would work? Do you know the names of any books about solar stills? The only mention I was able to find on-line was a solar still sold by "Real Goods" that has to float on water to work, and produces very little water per day. I think it's for survival on the open sea. I used to see a lot more stuff on this subject back in the old "back to the land" days in the late seventies and early eighties, but I haven't seen much about it lately. Maybe we can get Wyo Woman to do some articles on this subject now that she's the new Managing Editor of Mother Earth News Magazine. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 31 Mar 01 - 10:20 PM Dear Carol,
"I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the phrase "would require some twiddling to get it dialed in"
Well, you might have to make a small one first just to get an idea of how much water a certain glass size (1 sq. ft. for example) will produce. Then you would know how big to make it and if it would be realistic.
I would only consider using distilled water for drinking purposes as it would be overkill (since it takes so long to make) for bathing.
"Also, I don't have any south facing windows. I have an east facing window. Do you think that would work?"
Well, I don't think you'd be real impressed, it would only work in the morning.
All water filters are not created equal. You may want to "go shopping" and let all the salesmen make their pitch on that topic and take their literature too. At the very least you would get a free education on the subject. If they can demonstrate the effectiveness of a given filter (even if it is a little expensive) it may blow away the one(s) you're currently using and give you the relief you need.
I guess my question is; Did you choose the filtration system, or did the landlord?
You may be able to do better since it's your health in question, not his "bottom line".
"Have you ever messed around with solar stills? I have very little available space and I've been wondering if I have enough room to make a still that would produce as much water as I would need if I were going to use it for showering as well as drinking. (I'm figuring if I use it for showering, I can get one of those portable hanging shower bags, so water delivery wouldn't be a problem) I figure I would probably need about five gallons a day"
Only as toys, since we have never had a bad water problem. I do know they would have to be pretty big to deliver that amount for you, and they would work best only during ideal weather conditions.
I think the best answer is rain water for bathing. If someone would just let you set up a wooden barrel, it's awesome for hair, ask Wyo Woman.
(I have long hair, and it's very thick and no, I'm not going to cut it off. ;-)"
I WOULD NEVER ask you to do that!
I did cut my own hair (lost the ponytail) and now keep it short for public purposes.
"Do you know the names of any books about solar stills? The only mention I was able to find on-line was a solar still sold by "Real Goods" that has to float on water to work, and produces very little water per day. I think it's for survival on the open sea. I used to see a lot more stuff on this subject back in the old "back to the land" days in the late seventies and early eighties, but I haven't seen much about it lately"
I'm afraid I don't. That's also where I saw the information, but I did go "back to the land" (of course I came from "back to the land" in the first place, just different land)
"Maybe we can get Wyo Woman to do some articles on this subject now that she's the new Managing Editor of Mother Earth News Magazine"
That's an exellent idea and I'm glad to know that about her. MEN has always been a great resource for those self-reliance kind of projects. I have a huge collection of them around here somewhere.
I've gotta fly, nice visiting with you.
mav out |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 01 Apr 01 - 04:27 AM Thanks for all of the suggestions, MAV. It's pretty obvious that I'm going to have to put a lot of thought into what I'm going to do about this. I feel that I've got a little more knowlege in my arsenal now, though. Take care, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 01 Apr 01 - 09:36 AM You're welcome and Good luck.
mav out
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Naemanson Date: 01 Apr 01 - 10:26 PM The handyman's secret weapon is duct tape. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: GUEST,Uncle Jaque Date: 01 Apr 01 - 11:16 PM Ahoy, Mates; I'm BACK!!! Went to fire up me auld Gateway last week and it said; "Hard drive? What hard drive??? surely you jest! There's no 'Hard Drive' here! Please insert bootable media in the appropriate drive and perhaps we'll talk..." About a week and $260 later, we have a new 8.4 Gig HG (in stead of 3) a 200Mhz processor (up from 166) and some other ruffles and flourishes the details of which I don't particularly recall. It has taken most of the weekend to re-install software and restore data from backup CDRW (which I am REALLY GLAD we backed up, by the way) and re-establish internet settings etc. (what a pain- but a learning experience) we are back in the world! I did miss e-mail and this little community, but I did manage to put in some shop time restoring an antique revolver and tinkering on one of my inventions. Havn't been posting much here even before the crash, but do enjoy checking in to keep track of what's goin on. Do I detect a resurgence of civility and.. could it be... just a bit of human warmth breaking forth here??? Glory Hallellujia! I'm hoping... in a manner occasionally confused with casual prayer.. that as more of my beloved fellow Mudcatters get beyond some apparant assumptions, preconcieved stereotypes, and misconceptions sufficiently to come to know my Amigo MAV a little better, that they too will come to accept, appreciate, respect... and dare we ask?... even like him... as it has been my priviledge to do sice we met a couple of years ago. To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't eat cats (intentionally anyway, although he delights in Indian cuisine) bite little children, breathe fire or persecute anybody... for anything. I never knew just what "ragtime" meant until he explained it to me, and he plays a really mean blues harp. That's a harmonica for those of you down in Palm Beach County. It's good to be back! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Peter Kasin Date: 02 Apr 01 - 04:20 AM Welcome back, Uncle Jacques. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Naemanson Date: 02 Apr 01 - 06:11 AM Welcome back, Jaque. I have been digesting what was said between Carol, MAV, and Ebbie above. While it is all accurate and necessary I'm not sure Ebbie and Mav realize that Mav lives in an area where he can do all the things he talks about. He has access to a relatively clean environment. I believe Carol lives in a small town but in the heart of coal mining country. I'm not sure where Ebbie lives. My point is that the problem is not solved by an individual figuring out how to clean up his or her own water. We have to recognize that the days of solving the problem of pollution by dumping the waste into the environment is over. It is time to clean up, time to take responsibility for our mess, and time to ensure that our children and grandchildren can actually exist in the world we leave them. The world looks to the greatest nation to lead them and the nation looks to its president. And he is falling flat on his face worshipping at the altar of the almighty dollar and ignoring what the rest of us need. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: kendall Date: 02 Apr 01 - 09:35 AM Define "greatest" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Naemanson Date: 02 Apr 01 - 09:57 AM Greatest = Highest Standard Of Living (For the purposes of this discussion) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Ebbie Date: 02 Apr 01 - 01:22 PM I live in a fairly remote area, detached from the power grid in the US. We are accessible only by air and water. We have lots of water. It is treated, probably more because of potential giardia problems from wildlife in the woods than from actual pollution, but it is sweet and cold and clear year 'round. We create our own electricity locally by hydropower except on the odd occasion when an eagle short circuits the line and then we use turbopower until it's repaired. This is a cool climate so although root vegetables grow well here, a great many fruits and vegetables are not hardy enough. And because we are so far from markets we don't do a great deal of recycling. Even disposing of a junked car is expensive here. We have to remove the oil and gas and the tires (which cost us a separate $5.00 each to dispose of) have to come off. The whole operation costs the owner just under $300. Junking costs for refrigerators are proportionate. We pay $65 for having the Freon removed and disposed of and then 7 cents a pound at the landfill. All that said, I love it here. In many ways, I think Juneau, Alaska is part of the solution, not the problem. Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Naemanson Date: 02 Apr 01 - 01:58 PM I knew about the giardia. My brother lives in Anchorage and has mentioned it. It sounds like your area has a handle on recycling. What do you do about trash? Do you recycle containers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 02 Apr 01 - 02:03 PM I think that what's different in this incarnation of the Bushwhacked series, Uncle Jaque, is that those of us on both sides of the debate (if it could be called a debate) practiced civility and moderation. It also helped that we both agree that clean water is important, both at home as well as in the larger environment. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Ebbie Date: 02 Apr 01 - 02:14 PM Naemanson, the Lions Club picks up newsprint and aluminum from central pickup points. Glass is crushed at our local Friends of Recycling station and some of it is used sub-strata for streets. But a lot of it goes out in the trash instead of recycled because the word is out that it's piling up with no place to go. The reason that junking a car costs so much is that they say they can't make a profit on it by barging it the thousand miles down to Seattle. This is a new development, however; up until 3 years ago, junking a car was free once you had removed the oil and tires. Giardia, of course, can happen anywhere there is wildlife in the area. Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Naemanson Date: 02 Apr 01 - 03:33 PM thanks, Ebbie. Carol, part of the reason this is so civilized is that we haven't looked at the basic reason for the need to clean the water and the efforts the current administration is making to avoid the issue. (Uh oh, did I just say something to fire up the debate?) There is quite a discussion of the current administration's failures on the Kyoto thread. None of our conservatives have added to that thread yet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 02 Apr 01 - 03:58 PM I agree with you Naemanson.
Unfortunately, I think there are a lot of people who become so invested in the candidates they support, that even when those candidates/office holders behave in ways that are contradictory to some of their beliefs or thought processes, they will defend all of that candidate/office holder's actions and decisions. I don't know if MAV is such a person or not. My observations of MAV's positions so far, is that he does in fact disagree with some of G.W.'s policies. I don't know if he would admit this or if he's even aware of it. I'm prepared to be corrected about this if I'm wrong. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: GUEST,kendall Date: 02 Apr 01 - 04:56 PM Is our standard of living higher than, say, Sweden? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: GUEST,#1 Date: 02 Apr 01 - 05:06 PM Nah, they start at sea level, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Naemanson Date: 02 Apr 01 - 05:50 PM You know what I mean, Kendall. Sure there are a few other nations who live better but none so profligate as the good ol' USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: mousethief Date: 02 Apr 01 - 06:44 PM This has been a friendly thread because nobody has dared to disagree with the almighty MAV yet. I predict that once that happens, he will turn ugly and start spewing venom again, although he will be careful not to use actual expletives, and thereby be able to claim the moral high ground in his own mind. He will use names like "democRATs" and "socialist/communist/leftist" and other rude and/or inaccurate monikers of his own invention. Watch. Now I've done it. Mark my words. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 02 Apr 01 - 08:38 PM Alex, I think your post has probably done the trick. No need for anyone to disagree with him now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: GUEST,Stakley Date: 02 Apr 01 - 09:00 PM Ah, yes- the saintly, reasonable MAV. However you choose to dress shit up, gang, it's still shit and it still stinks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 02 Apr 01 - 09:09 PM Clearly I'm in over my head on this thread now, so I'll let more reasoned thinkers take over and I'll go back to playing in the shallow end where I belong.
Still having a hard time figuring out the difference between a liberal/democrat flamer and troll and a conservative/republican/libertarian flamer and troll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: GUEST,MAV Date: 02 Apr 01 - 11:47 PM I didn't feel like resetting my cookie.
Naemanson,
Duck tape? Why, did something quack??
Duct tape is actually duck tape. It doesn't work real well on ductwork, it just gets dry and brittle and falls apart. It was originally designed to repair duck cloth, in which case it's just "ducky".
Mouse,
Consider your words marked.
"although he will be careful not to use actual expletives, and thereby be able to claim the moral high ground in his own mind.
And in the mind of anyone else who is offended by such highschool language, in fact I can swear like a bleeping pirate.
"He will use names like "democRATs" and "socialist/communist/leftist"
I never said..."Mousethief you are a ..." Why I had no idea you were a democrat or an LSC, if fact I think you said you weren't.
You said you didn't know who the Grand Imperial Wizard of the Senate was (democRAT Robert Byrd WV) which made me wonder why you felt compelled to argue politics in the first place.
"and other rude and/or inaccurate monikers of his own invention"
I thought "LSC" was an invention of Skeptic (maybe Chicago John) and was already a common reference icon of this forum (like your "shite"), so I used it. It certainly isn't my creature.
Of course if you are an "LSC" and are constantly taking pot shots at conservativism, you can't really expect me to sit here and not defend myself can you?
Hey stakley (or staklea) learn to spell your own name will you?
Yes, we smell you.
My wife was on the solid waste committee in our rural town. We are the model recycling community in the state.
Other towns ask us how we get the residents to participate to such a high degree of recycling.
I live in such an unspoiled environment because I choose to. I don't need any of the attributes of urban living and have never been a city dweller (well, except for Lincoln NE).
There has been a successful and concerted effort to clean up the rivers in this state and I will be the first to give the environmentalists credit for it. Never mind W, the Sentate rejected the Kyoto treaty months ago by perhaps 95 to 0. It was largely rejected because it didn't hold some of the world's worst polluters responsible for the gawd-awful messes being made (in the third world) but punished the US who by comparison has been relatively responsible.
"nobody has dared to disagree with the almighty MAV"
Disagree away, I won't bite.
the almighty mav out
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Naemanson Date: 03 Apr 01 - 09:02 AM MAV, are we talking about the silver 2" tape? If so it is duct tape and is used to seal joints in duct work. Check with Bert, he used to work in the industry. "Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and binds the universe together." Also, since this is turning into a flame thread I will bow out too. A reasoned discussion is my interest not the merry flinging of barbs and racks. Have fun, boys. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: mousethief Date: 03 Apr 01 - 10:46 AM MAV, I'm still waiting for an apology for your telling me what I was really thinking when I said I was thinking something else. That right there proves that any language I might use about you is probably justified; only someone describable with such language would have both the hubris and the unconcern for others that such behavior displays. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Apr 01 - 11:52 AM Stackly - Be alerted! Some bloody sod called "Stakley" is pretending to be you...at least I think he is. MAV already alluded to that in his post, but I thought you might discount it, coming from him. As a fellow leftist, I advise you to do something about it pronto. That stupid git "Stakley" has no right usurping your position in this thread! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: mousethief Date: 03 Apr 01 - 01:01 PM Not sure if this counts for anything, but Merriam Webster shows "duct tape" as entering the written language in 1970 as "a wide silvery cloth adhesive tape designed for sealing joints in heating or air-conditioning ducts." It has no entry for "duck tape." Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Skeptic Date: 03 Apr 01 - 02:33 PM To interject fact into this otherwise fascinating exercise in fantasy, LSC was a creation of Chicago John. Referring, I think, to anyone who disagreed with his point of view. I, on the other hand classify those who disagree with me as simply wrong. AS that includes most everyone, it makes life easier. I think the "duct" and "duck" tape refers to two different products. The silvery kind is, (I think) metallic and works on HVAC duct work, while the other kind is fabric based and comes in lovely designer colors and doesn't work on ducts at all. It is invaluable at a gig for dealing with pesky tangles of patch cords and obnoxious hecklers. Sadly, there is no such thing as virtual duct tape (second meaning) Regards John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Apr 01 - 04:02 PM I should think that virtual duct tape could be quite useful...someone should write a program for it and sell it on the Net. You could tape over all the parts of other people's posts that you don't agree with or find insensitive or offensive in some way with this virtual duct tape. Then you wouldn't have to get all agitated all over again each time you took another look at a thread, but could just painlessly go by the parts that you didn't like! The tape would only show up on your own screen, of course. Wow! I think this program would be a big seller on Mudcat and would at least create the illusion of peace and harmony around even the most contentious issues. By the way, the whole water discussion earlier was great! No need for much virtual duct tape there. Well, unless you're really sensitive, that is... Oh, and there is NO SUCH THING as "duck" tape. That is simply a mispronunciation of duct tape by the same people who think that "youse" is a word you use for "you" when there's more than one other person in the room. If you don't like it, TAPE IT! :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 03 Apr 01 - 04:23 PM I don't know, mousethief. I've been pretty offended by some of the things you've said to me, but I'm not going to use that kind of language on you. I don't always succeed, but I try to live by the concept of rising above that which offends me. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Naemanson Date: 03 Apr 01 - 04:32 PM I try to live by a few simple principles: I treat others as I would like to be treated. I try, as hard as it sometimes is, to see that there are two sides to each issue. I try to let attacks slide past me and not to respond. Any of these principles sound familiar? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: mousethief Date: 03 Apr 01 - 05:10 PM I repent! You all are SO superior to me! Teach me your ways! Please! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 03 Apr 01 - 06:14 PM I repent! You all are SO superior to me! Teach me your ways! Please!
I'm going to take your request seriously, although you have couched it in sarcasm. That post, for a start. Do you think it served any useful purpose other than to vent negative feelings? Elsewhere in the forum, you have mentioned that you have A.D.D. I have it too. So I know what it's like. One of the things that is so great about a forum like this one, is that it gives us an opportunity to spend some time thinking about what we are going to communicate. It also gives us an opportunity to moniter our behavior. Those are two incredibly useful tools for people with A.D.D. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: mousethief Date: 03 Apr 01 - 06:59 PM Maybe I'm too thin-skinned, Carol. When you started foaming about how wonderful this particular Bushwacked thread was compared to earlier ones, I took that as a personal slam. I wanted to point out that the reason it was so wonderful had less to do with the reasons you cited, and more to do with the fact that nobody had crossed MAV, which was when all the previous Bushwacked threads turned ugly. I agree that people with ADD need to monitor their behavior. I admire your ability in this area. If I'm kicked and beaten and bruised enough here at Mudcat, I will probably get good at it too. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Greg F. Date: 03 Apr 01 - 08:15 PM Makes you appreciate just how wonderful it could be if nobody responded to MAV at all!Let's all give that a try. Best, Greg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 03 Apr 01 - 08:33 PM I know I run the risk of being flamed when I say this, mousethief. It is not my intention to get into a battle with you over this. I just want to say this one thing. Many of the experiences I've had in the Mudcat in which I've ended up feeling as you have described, kicked and beaten and bruised, have come about as a result of things you have posted and directed at me. "Foaming" would be an interesting example of this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 03 Apr 01 - 10:39 PM Dear Carol, Is this guy bothering you?
Although you seem perfectly capable of handling him yourself, he does seem to be perpetually willing to "bully" people.
Now about that Cajun accordian? Naemonson,
Come back, I was just kidding about duck tape. It's really duct tape.
Check it out.......
Hey "Genius",
"MAV, I'm still waiting for an apology for your telling me what I was really thinking when I said I was thinking something else"
NOPE! Not so fast! What I was thinking you were thinking is really what you were thinking not what you were saying you were thinking and actually I would like to know what the heck you were thinking, thinking something like that.....Think about it!
"That right there proves that any language I might use about you is probably justified; only someone describable with such language would have both the hubris and the unconcern for others that such behavior displays"
You're reaching, using anything as an excuse for such offensive vulgarity. I agree that only someone describable with such language would have both the hubris and the unconcern for others that such behavior displays.
"Maybe I'm too thin-skinned, Carol. When you started foaming..."
Yeah, maybe you are. She's way more reserved, stable and mature in her attitudes than you are....Why don't you nicen up.
Little Hawk,
Stackly, stakley, stacklea...I think he/she thinks these alias are fooling us into thinking it's different people.
And last (but least)....Dear what's-his-name
"Makes you appreciate just how wonderful it could be if nobody responded to MAV at all"
(feet up on desk, looking at ceiling, whistling softly while buffing nails, crickets chirping in background)p> mav out
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 03 Apr 01 - 10:52 PM Sorry, MAV, can't do Cajun. My brain's not fast enough. Neither are my fingers. It's great to listen to, though, isn't it? Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Apr 01 - 10:57 PM "(feet up on desk, looking at ceiling, whistling softly while buffing nails, crickets chirping in background)" God, that sounds so nice and peaceful... I couldn't help chuckling and smiling when I read it. Thanks. I needed that tonight. Sometimes it's nice just to hear the crickets. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 03 Apr 01 - 11:03 PM In my humble opinion (he he)..Cajun or Zydico makes the accordian as hip as sax or a hot blues guitar.
Sigh....and I thought I'd found my Zydico guru, oh well, I can aspire and learn by ear.
One question though, are there two sizes of keys available in the "piano" accordian (like full sized ones)?
Ok, two questions, what are the buttons for? Thanks, mav out |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: CarolC Date: 03 Apr 01 - 11:19 PM You got crickets !? Our trees aren't even in leaf yet. There are at least three different widths of keys available on accordions that I know of. There may be more, but there's still a lot I don't know about accordions. The keys each play one note per key. So with the keys, you can play a melody, or chords if you play three keys at a time. (I know this sounds very elementary, but I can't explain it any other way.) Some of the buttons play chords (three notes per button). Some buttons play basses and counter basses (two notes per button). The buttons are used as chord accompaniment and as rhythm for the melody that is usually played on the keys. Like I said, I'm still learning a lot of this stuff myself, so I can't explain it as well as someone who's played the accordion for a long time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushwhacked-NINE! From: MAV Date: 03 Apr 01 - 11:52 PM Well, that's pretty good. I always heard "counter bass" but never before knew what it meant.
So I guess you have to kind of memorize those rascally buttons huh?
Thanks Carol, all good stuff. Guess I need the big keys.
re: crickets.....actually it was FOXNEWS but "crickets" was a more mood setting choice, a little application of poetic license.
"Our trees aren't even in leaf yet"
Just kidding, I still have 4' of snow in my yard.
It's time to put away our crayons. Night folks.
mav out
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