BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe

Subject: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 10:25 AM

It just hit me - as I search for tunes for the DT - how many,many,many new songs I find out on the web - in sheet music, midi, mp3's, ra, etc. etc. etc.

But try to find something that is public domain! yeesh! it's like pulling hen's teeth!

It's particularly frustrating when you wade through several hundred offerings of recordings of the tune - all of which list it as "Traditional" - but there isn't one stinking gif or midi of the music.

I wish I lived close enoguh to a decent library system to borrow some of the books....

but then again - where would I find the time? still have Bronson's to transcribe *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Peg
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 10:29 AM

Mmario;

I just go look for old vinyl LPs; Child Ballads, early folkies, etc. there are plenty of arrangements of traditional tunes out there in recorded form if you are able to transcribe them that way.

I am a singer so listening is my preferred mode of learning a tune; sorry of that is not helpful.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 10:34 AM

Peg - I'm in the hinterlands!* (by choice - but occasionally it is frustrating) and I cannot transcribe by ear! Tho' it is also my prefferred way of learning a song.

* - just ain't no resources round 'bout here.

just venting...as it gets harder and harder to whittle down the "no tune" list from the DT.

I'm hoping Max gets a new release of the DT online soon - should make some easier to find again...

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 10:41 AM

MMario, how many tunes are left? I'm not going to have that much time, but I can try. I also dislike Noteworthy composer, so I'd do them in MIDI or MidiText. You can e-mail the list to me.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 10:48 AM

less then two thousand four hundred and sixty eight.

how much less I'm not sure - never have talked anyone into actually going through the list to eliminate all duplicates and recitations, etc. maybe with the next version out.

*grin* thanks jeri!

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Matt_R
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 11:59 AM

Mario, you need to come here! ECU has the complete Child Ballads, Pills to Purge Melancholy, Scots Musical Museum, books on wauking songs of the hebrides, the total and complete poems & songs of Robert Burns (including the fragments and his own naughty parodies on folk songs)songs of the Roma travelling people in the British isles, work songs...dang, all kinds of stuff. It's the best collection of British Isles folk lyrics, history, and tunes, that I've ever seen.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:02 PM

A little bird told me a while back, "It's supposed to be fun, Sorch." Now who would that have been, lol? Take a breather Mario, and work on your 3 minute clickie!! (grin)

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: nutty
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:07 PM

I'll help if I can -- JUST HOLLER

PM me a list

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:09 PM

That's why I'm venting, Sorch! to release the tension

I really enjoy it when I find one. I do. Honestly. But sometimes, between wading through the dreck - or finding a site that has what I need only to find out it is behind the blasted content filter!!!!!!

Matt- You realize I am going to have to kill you now.

Maybe I will take some time off - because I would like to get more of Bronson transcribed. I've been slacking on that.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:18 PM

nutty - I'll try. not sure how PM will take a list the size of this thing...

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:27 PM

well - y'got 872 (approximately) titles. A through most of the "g's". Can send more if you want. I update the files almost every day taking out anything I know has been posted - or that someone has committed to doing.

As I have said to others - if you know 'em or have the music and can transcribe it easily - then great! if it's a pain, then don't kill yourself over it.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:29 PM

I don't know if you have it in the US of A. In Canada we have an "Inter Library Loan" service, you can look up and borrow books from any library that participates. Talk to your local little librarian. Good Luck. JohnB

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Amergin
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:34 PM

OH, quit yer whinin.....

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:37 PM

John - they divide the interlibrary loan system up into regions. my whole REGION is rural. Most of the books I'm trying to locate aren't in the system.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Matt_R
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 12:57 PM

Lol! I'm lucky, Mario. I can get interlibrary loans from Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, as well as anywhere across the country. As a military dependent, I can also request book from any USMC or Navy base in the U.S.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: nutty
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 01:44 PM

I'll try but dont hold your breath

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 01:48 PM

I think the tone you want to strike was approximated by the groaning sigh of Rosie the robot on the Jetsons when she had gotten all wore out. If this does not sound familiar, ask me next time you are here, and I can do an impression of it for you. Make a field recording!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 01:49 PM

you never know who will have what, which or when.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 02:00 PM

yup - Wysiwyg - that's just about it...

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 02:25 PM

MMario, I'm fairly sure you can take the "songs" labeled "narration" off the list. That'll reduce it a bit.

I'm snowed in again, so if I want to see what local libraries have to offer, I'll have to wait until spring...er - maybe late summer.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 02:29 PM

we're having mini-avalanches off the roof every few minutes here at w*rk. YUCK!!!! very wet, very heavy and WAY too much for this time of year.

now returning to my regularly scheduled bitchin'

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Greyeyes
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 02:29 PM

MMario, the ILL scheme in the UK is also regional, but if a request can't be met within your region it is referred nationally, ultimately to the British Library Document Supply Centre in Yorkshire. It is rare for a request not to be met, I have known books to be obtained from US libraries for UK borrowers, although with recent public spending cuts that is rare now.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 03:01 PM

Jees, MM, when ya gonna realize that you're a city boy at heart??? Down here in the glorious southland, we have all the networks you can eat, plenty of bandwidth, a blue ocean to dabble in betimes, and we complain when we have to wear a sweater outdoors! C'mon down, we'll find you a big fat SUV to drive!!! :>)

A

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 03:12 PM

Amos - to me "city" is any place with a population over 2000

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Mar 01 - 10:11 PM

Like our house the weekend of April 27?

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Amos, we are keeping him. Grow your own!

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Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 31 Mar 01 - 11:59 AM

MMario: I don't know where exactly you are but The Onondaga County Library System has a fairly decent assortment of music. See if your area library can do some sort of a swap. I have a dinosaur of a computer but if you send me some titles I might be able to transscribe them inbetween clearing the dreck out that people and companies send me and researching a novel about Jack the Ripper. Kindest reguards, NEil

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Amos
Date: 31 Mar 01 - 12:24 PM

Wal, Susan me deary, I reckon he's old enough to find his own way to Paradise -- I was just offering an invitation! He's more our type, y'know -- a wild and whacky techy dude with a mind of his own. I can really understand why you'd want to cling on, them being so scarce out there. :>)

A

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 31 Mar 01 - 05:08 PM

I've got Bronson, Child, SMM, Pills, Bishop Percy's Folio, the Paisley Magazine, Ebsworth's 3 vol. drolley reprints, Pepys, Euing, Roxburghe, Bagford, Osterley Park ballads, Universal Songter (3 vol), Merry Muses (5 editions), JFS, JEFDSS, FMJ, PMOT, Simpson's BBBM, and a lot of other things [Like primary folk song collections, e.g., Scots- Greig-Duncan, Joyce's and Shields' Irish collections, several English and American ones and reprints of old English, Scots, and Irish music collections]. 40 years of collecting. Any who wants to transcibe and has a lap-top to do it on come on over. All I want is a copy of the finished and proof-read text file, and an index.

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Mar 01 - 06:04 PM

Hey, up above I heard Jeri moaning and groaning about Noteworthy Composer. If you really want to moan and groan, try matching lyrics to a MIDI tune when you don't know a song. The advantage of sending tunes in Noteworthy is that we can get you to tie the words to the right notes (and it also helps you eliminate some glaring errors). If know, I know - some programs can do MIDI with lyrics, but there is no generally-accepted standard for MIDI with lyrics.
So if you can use Noteworthy, it helps.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: MMario
Date: 31 Mar 01 - 06:58 PM

Bruce - if I could afford the time off from work - I'd be there in a shot! What a resource that would be if it got online! or even onto CD!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: moan, groan, whine and gripe
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 31 Mar 01 - 07:01 PM

Dick Greenhaus already has plans for Child on CD.